The Bone Collector

[00:00:00] In a city filled with millions of people, a killer is leaving behind clues that only one detective can solve. The problem? He can't leave his bed. This week, we're collecting evidence and revisiting The Bone Collector.

[00:00:29] I'm Jackie. And I'm Danielle, and we're just two best friends and ex-blockbuster employees rewatching some of the best and worst movies from the late 90s and early 2000s. This week, we're revisiting the 1999 crime thriller, The Bone Collector. But before we dive in, let's get into some... If you love the podcast and you want to support us, here's how you can.

[00:00:56] Are you ready to fuel our episodes? Buy us a coffee at Ko-Fi. You can find us at ko-fi.com slash no more late fees. Well, you want to know what Bone Collector is about? Tell me. I gotcha. After a work accident, Lee's brilliant forensic detective, Lincoln Rime, with quadriplegia. He prepares to end his life before another medical emergency takes away what little independence he has left.

[00:01:25] But when patrol officer Amelia Donaghy discovers a carefully staged murder scene, Lincoln is pulled into the hunt for a serial killer. Who is using New York City's history to leave behind a trail of victims and clues? The movie stars Denzel Washington, Angelina Jolie, Queen Latifah, Michael Rooker, Mike McGlone, Luis Guzmán, Leland Orser, and Ed O'Neill.

[00:01:55] The movie was written by Jeremy Lacone, based on the novel by Jeffrey Deaver, and it was directed by Philip Noyce. I don't know if it's Noyce. It just sounds like Noyce. Noyce. Noyce. Philip Noyce. You can currently watch it on Peacock, but before we start, let's get into our ratings rewind. So you know the drill.

[00:02:23] Before we get into the movie, we'll reveal the rating our Y2K versions of ourselves we give. Then at the end, we'll see if our current selves agree with our initial rating. Our scale consists of would buy it, would buy it again. The best would play on repeat. Five-day rental. Would watch again. Two-day rental. It's all right, but nothing are I home about. And same-day rental. Throw it in the trash or the sewers.

[00:02:55] Put it in front of a steam pipe. So Danielle, what was your Y2K rating of The Bone Collector? Denzel Washington in the 90s? Girl, you know I bought her. It was my black right to do so. What about you? What's your rating? My rating of Bone Collector. Okay, so we have talked about in the past the bro movies. Like what you talk about. Like, oh, I love the memento. I love Fight Club. You know, like.

[00:03:24] So I had a very specific genre that like I thought made me look cool. And that was like movies like Seven and The Bone Collector. Like forensic movies. And for a hot minute, I was even like, I could do forensics. Your girl doesn't know math. And like I did okay in chemistry, but. The last time I checked, you were not in all the science classes. No.

[00:03:52] But I was like, I could walk the grid. Like I had myself convinced. Well, I'm glad you came to the right conclusion eventually. But this was definitely not something you shared with me. No. Like, but I was like. So in my Y2K brain. I was like, this movie's top tier. Like they're doing all the forensics things. There's clues. They have to attention to detail. They're pointing at things.

[00:04:20] They have to do like little puzzles with those tiny pieces of paper to figure shit out. I was sold. So it was a would buy for me. I feel like this is a very much Jackie coded movie in the sense that you do like. You do like puzzles and stuff like this. I feel like it's not. I think you like thrillers. I do. I would say that. Yeah. I very much do. And as we've talked about a lot, Dexter is one of my comfort shows.

[00:04:49] So like, and even in Dexter, a lot of the times it's like a mystery. He's trying to figure out like the difference. Right. Killers and stuff. So I do, it is very much in my wheelhouse, but I thought like liking this movie, like was my end to forensics for some reason. You thought you were going to be on CSI. Oh, I was. All right. So this movie came out November 5th, 1999. The budget was $48 million.

[00:05:17] It made $151.5 million. And I know. And it debuted at number one with approximately $16.7 million, the box office. So I think that's wonderful. And at number two was The Bachelor. I'm surprised. I, whenever I see that rom-com, I always think it didn't do well, but yeah. I actually. Is that the one with Chris O'Donnell?

[00:05:47] Yes. And Bridget Jones. Yes. Yes. Renee. I was like, oh no, I was wrong. Oh no, I was right. Number three was House on Haunted Hill. Number four was The Insider, which keep that in your brain because that comes up later. And at number five, another good one, which I hope we do soon, Double Jeopardy. Oh yes. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

[00:06:14] This is a, you know, we always talk about 1999 being a banger because like I'm looking at everything that's below it. I'm like, Jesus. It really was. And if you have not read the book, Best Movie Year Ever, it is by Brian Rafferty. And it goes through the year 1999 and just how many different, like, just amazing movies

[00:06:42] that came out, movies that changed the trajectory of filmmaking in general down to like the Blair Witch Project, which we'll do in a couple of weeks. But like the social media campaign that like started with the Blair Witch Project and like incorporating like different marketing strategies when movies come out. So yeah, if you have not read or listened to that book, amazing. Highly recommend.

[00:07:11] Well, let's see what the critics said. So Roger Ebert, Lil Raj at the Chicago Sun-Times gave this movie two out of four stars. He praised the acting, but deplored the plot's utter absurdity writing. A peculiar experience to sit through because the quality of the acting is so much better than the material deserves. Oh, Lil Raj, we'll never be on the same page.

[00:07:38] Well, before we get into the cast and crew, let's hear a message from our pod pals. In the competitive world of podcasting, two BFFs set out to do what mainstream Hollywood refuses to do. Talk about black films. We're looking at you, Academy, with planned guest appearances from absolutely no one. And a love for Regina Hall and Regina King, the likes of which you've never seen. Join Mia and Trish as they continue their epic journey into the blackity-black-black-blackness

[00:08:07] of film and television. Grab your finest bonnets and iron your durax. Cause shit is about to get real. Like Angela Bassett in Waiting to Exhale, real. You know the scene. It's going to be bigger, better. And did we mention blacker? In the... Okay. Cast and crew. Yep. Link in Rhyme was written with Al Pacino in mind, and the producer Martin Bregman had previously produced several of Al Pacino's signature movies,

[00:08:33] including Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon, Scarface, and Carlito's Way. Screenwriter Jeremy Icone therefore began writing the adaptation with Pacino in mind. But Pacino ultimately chose to make Michael Mann's The Insider instead, which was in the box office at the same time as The Bone Collector. So The Insider came out the week before. Okay. And then I don't know if it was in the top, like if it was number one when it came out,

[00:09:03] but it definitely was pushed to number four once this movie came out. And quite honestly, if Al Pacino would have starred in this, I know I wouldn't have. No! Not that I don't like Al Pacino, but just I know when I saw movies, I would have been like, maybe the premise would have been good, but it was definitely, oh, Denzel's in this. It is what it is.

[00:09:32] A draw for me was Denzel and then also Angelina Jolie, because this is like right after Gia. And right before she won the Academy. I think after this, she won the Academy Award for Girl Interrupted. So yeah, she was really on the upswing. Now, however, Universal reportedly suggested Harrison Ford and Sean Connery for Lincoln.

[00:09:58] But Philip Noyce fought for Denzel Washington. Now, you know this is a deliverable. This is a real quandary. I think Denzel did great in this role. Yeah, I don't see anybody else as much as I love my boo-boo kisses Harrison Ford.

[00:10:27] I mean, the fantasy of him being in a bed and I be his caretaker has it crossed my mind. Maybe. Maybe. You're the Queen Latifah to his Lincoln. Yes. His Delma to his Lincoln. I need you sometimes to say, Danielle, you're crazy slipping out. Somebody can see it. But I like it. I like it when it appears.

[00:10:59] So yeah, definitely Harrison Ford could see it. Sean Connery. I love him, but. Overdose on them. I will say. This takes. This role takes an extremely skilled actor who is very expressive because he's playing a quadriplegic like in a bed.

[00:11:26] Like all he has is really his face and his voice to act with. And so I think there are very few actors that can pull off what Denzel did in this movie. Yeah. And I do think those two particular actors could. I do think Harrison Ford and Sean Connery could do it. They're very charismatic. I think they could pull it off with their facial expressions and their voice.

[00:11:54] Both of their voices are sexy. Yeah. Like just read the phone book to me. Any one of those three. And I'm good. I'll just snuggle. Yeah. And but Denzel does such a good New York accent. Yes. It's great. Is Denzel from New York? I feel like he is, but I never thought about it until I was listening to this because he's been in so many movies in New York because he's especially since he's been in a lot of Spike Lee movies.

[00:12:24] I just. Mount Vernon. Yeah. I've been there. Oh, I have not. I have not. I've literally in the state of New York have only gone two hours outside of New York City. Mount Vernon isn't that far outside of New York City. It's like an hour. I have only gone to. Two hours. What I meant to say is that's the only time it's been once that I went. No, that's not true. You know what?

[00:12:54] I have to ask you, Tima. I think we might have gone. For a wedding. So I've gone twice. One where my friend tricked me and said, hey, do you want to go on a hike? And I said, sure, I'll try that once. And it was at the beginning of the Appalachian Trail. Girl. Already you're out. I was like, we went up the hill. We went. And I was like, oh, this is great. Look, we've already made it to the top. She's like, oh, no, this is just the beginning. That's.

[00:13:24] I was like. I gotta go. There's no way. When I saw people with those sticks, I was like, this is not for me. Not your sport. I'm not trying to die out here. All right. Who else do we have? So Demi Moore and Nicole Kimmon were suggested for Amelia. The voice wanted Angelina Jolie, who is not yet the massive international movie star she would soon become.

[00:13:53] He believed the movie needed exceptional performances because its basic serial killer plot would inevitably be compared to better known thrillers. I think both of them would have been fine. Like, but it was nice to. Because both Angelina and Denzel were at different times of their different places in their career.

[00:14:15] But it just showed how well Angelina was, like, how strong of an actor she was to be able to be tip for tat with him. Yes. And a lot of the people in the production talked about just, like, how amazing she was. One person, I can't remember who said it, compared it to an already crowned king and a newly crowned queen coming together. So, yeah, it worked really well.

[00:14:44] I do want to go back to where the fact that Philip had to fight for Denzel Washington. Now, like, the thought process on that blows my mind because this isn't, like, in the early 80s when he's first starting out. This is, he has shown through and through multiple times what a box office draw he is. And so the idea that he had to actually fight to get him is crazy to me. Yeah, this is after Glory.

[00:15:13] This is after Malcolm X, Much Ado About Nothing, Pelican Brief, Philadelphia, Crimson Tide. Like, this is, this is peak Denzel. Courage Under Fire, the preacher's wife. He got game. Like, what are you talking about you had to fight for him? Maybe you had to fight Denzel and be like, you really want to be in this movie, don't you? No, he had to fight for the producers and everybody to say yes. Yeah.

[00:15:45] Insane. Oh. But what I do love is his dedication to this role. So he, Washington, spoke with 12 people with Quadriplegia while preparing for the role. He, I think it was like the fourth person he ended up interviewing was Christopher Reeve. Washington said he had become more comfortable by this point asking questions. And Reeve was very informative and helpful.

[00:16:13] Their conversation ended up being less clinical and more personal by this point. And he wasn't the only one. Queen Latifah actually trained with Christopher Reeve as well. And Christopher Reeve spoke about how excited he was for this film, for the representation to be in this film. So I thought that was great. And Denzel Washington also said that all 12 people he interviewed told him that they had considered suicide at some point.

[00:16:41] Those conversations helped him understand Lincoln's desire to pursue assisted suicide. Yeah. I, I see that a lot when you see a quadriplegic in a movie. I think the other example is, what's the name of that movie? Damn. It's the guy from Hunger Games and the girl from Game of Thrones. Amelia Clark.

[00:17:11] Mm-hmm. Oh. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. They're like, they fall in love or whatever. With the socks. With the bumblebees. Yeah. Well, that movie, that was the same situation where he wanted to, you know, end his life. There were a lot of changes from the original book with the characters.

[00:17:37] But one that I highlighted was that Lincoln's caregiver and the book was male. And they changed it to a female. And then we got Queen Latifah. That makes me wonder because one thing about Denzel Washington's productions, whenever he has a movie, he tries really, really hard to make sure that both in front of and behind the scenes that there's good Black representation. Like, we talked about that when we did The Preacher's Wife. Mm-hmm.

[00:18:04] So I was wondering if that was why they ended up changing that role. Yeah. But I love Queen Latifah in this movie. Me too. The movie we were trying to think of was Me Before You. Girl, I had a time or something in my head. And, like, that's why I was like, I'm just going to leave it alone because I know that's not right. Thank you for looking that up. Yeah. Okay. Let's jump into The Bone Collector.

[00:18:27] So the movie opens with Denzel Washington's character crawling in, like, a little tight space trying to get to a body, I guess, to kind of do the forensic and extraction of it. And at that time, a beam falls on him. And he is now a quadriplegic. But in the dream, the person he's trying to save is himself. Yes. Yes.

[00:18:57] So, because at first you're thinking, like, oh, is this, like, the origin? Is this the beginning of the movie? And then you realize he's dreaming because he's literally holding himself. Yeah. And then we see him in his, Ken was like, how did he afford that, like, apartment where it's, like, huge space? And then he has obviously the medical team and everything.

[00:19:26] But that's explained by the, like, the NYPD is essentially paying for that because he was injured on the job. Yes. I think he has a pension. I think he definitely sued the hell out of the city. And also, we have to remember that this man, he's writing the textbooks, Ken. Yeah. Ken. Kenneth. He's writing the textbooks.

[00:19:49] He is, like, at the pinnacle of everybody, of experts for his field. So, not only is he writing and training all the police officers, there are different cases where they call him, pull him in to see, you know, pick his mind. I'm sure he was speaking around the country. He was doing a lot. Yeah. And he's, what do you call them, the witnesses? Oh, yeah. He's an expert witness. Thank you.

[00:20:18] So, he's getting buku money from very, from multiple streams of income. Baby got it like that. And I wouldn't be surprised if he writes other books besides just textbooks. So, yeah. So, then we see this couple gets into a taxi cab. And they're from New York. They're just going home. And the cab's going in the wrong direction. They're like, hey, you can't take us for a ride.

[00:20:48] We live here. We know where we're going. Go back the other way. And the cabbie's just not listening to them. And then shortly thereafter, a kid of all people finds the husband from the taxi cab ride buried just outside a rail yard. And Angelina Jolie's character, Amelia Donaghy, is called to the scene.

[00:21:15] To go back to the beginning, because this is what was nightmare fuel for me. And to this day, that movie resonates with me. Because whenever I go into an Uber or a cab, first thing I'm doing is checking if I can get out the daggone door.

[00:21:30] I always, like the old school ones that would have the lock pop up, I would look at them because I was terrified that I was going to get my fingers cut or get kidnapped and not be able to get out because of this movie. It was crazy. I was so scared.

[00:21:54] So Amelia has been through, she works homicide and has taken courses that use the curriculum that Lincoln wrote. So what I don't know is like why, why is she not, like where is her backup? Well, she's a street, she's, she's a, I know she was closest to the scene. So she said she was going to go.

[00:22:23] I don't know if the other cops she was with went somewhere else. I feel like she called it in, but I can imagine it just took a little bit longer and she had to act fast because she was trying to preserve the crime scene. Yeah. Because a train was coming. She, yeah, so she, a train's coming. She was able to stop the train, like wave it down and it stops in time.

[00:22:48] She has the kid go buy her a disposable camera so that she can take photos of the evidence because it's raining and the rain is stirring to wash away all the evidence. Right. So, and then she like lays a dollar bill down because there is a footprint so that they can measure the size of the footprint. She collects the evidence and it turns out it's like a rusty bolt, a pile of asbestos.

[00:23:16] The man is buried pointing with his wife's wedding ring on his finger, but his finger is like skin to the bone. Was there anything else in that first one? The face almost looked like, I don't know if the, it looked like the skin of the face had been taken off and just like preserved. It looked really weird when I looked at it. It did. And it looked very fake now. Yeah. Back then, I'm sure it was scary. But yeah, she did a really good job with the evidence.

[00:23:46] And then as soon as backup comes, all of a sudden she is getting railed by all, like everyone is yelling at her and being so rude. They don't even get her name right. Like cops are always called by their last names. Right. And every single time, it's not even that hard or obscure of a last name, but every time they call her Donahue and she has to like correct them and be like, it's Donahue.

[00:24:16] Right. So she's not, they're just establishing like she's not even really taken that seriously in her field. Yeah. And she knew all the things to do to properly preserve a crime scene. And she didn't care. I don't think she, she just kind of rolls her eyes at it.

[00:24:36] But I think it's because we kind of learn that she is being, she's transferring to a, to like a desk job essentially to help children. So we don't really know why at first. And it seems like she really doesn't care. So now I also see a scene with Lincoln where he's talking to his doctor, who's going on like a business trip and he's requesting assisted suicide.

[00:25:04] And so he's convinced his doctor to assist him as soon as he gets back from this trip. So we, we know that, and this is due to Lincoln continually has these seizures and he's like, eventually one of these seizures is going to like essentially put me in a vegetable state or worse off than I already am.

[00:25:27] And I just, I don't want to continue living like this because like his mind is very much like still with a, he's still brilliant and his body, like he just can't do anything. But he also has his room set up where he has like one of those breathy things that allows him to control a computer.

[00:25:48] So he can pretty much through that and through voice do a lot of things via computer programs, just like Siri or Alexa now. Yeah. I mean, it looks kind of rudimentary now, but back then that was wow. Yeah. Like, like, this is so unrealistic. Why would it have a picture of a Rolodex? Like it's a visual media.

[00:26:18] They needed something on the screen to be like, here's your, like who you want to contact. Like calm down. So they bring in Lincoln to assist. Because the way that the crime scene was staged, like it was very much like, this is someone who wants us to like fall down a rabbit hole. And we need to bring in Lincoln to help us with that.

[00:26:46] And so around this time, Amelia's brought in. And Lincoln's like, you did a really good job. Like you did everything. Like I would do great job on everything. And then he's like, how's, how computer savvy are you? And like, poor Thelma, played by Queen Latifah, his nurse is like, he's like, Thelma, show her how to search the internet for these things.

[00:27:16] And like, what would be like a simple Google search seems to take Amelia like, at least half an hour, 45 minutes. Well, the internet was different back then. That's for sure. Yeah. I do want to, we mentioned the doctor. There were some other characters that we kind of meet when we're meeting Lincoln and his situation. Really, the most that we get is this room, right?

[00:27:42] Like his bed, you see kind of trinkets all around. And we get some information about him later through other people. One thing that we're learning like about the seizures is because there's a medical tech that comes for his machine that helps him. We have Thelma and then we have the doctor. So those are like the rotation people who are constantly coming. And then Ed O'Neill's character seems to be like really good friends with him.

[00:28:11] So they, they definitely keep in contact as well. Yep. And then we find out that Michael Rooker's character is essentially has taken the place, the position that Lincoln used to be in. And so he kind of. And he is mad. Yeah. Like he has this like ever going pissing contest that Lincoln wants no part of. He's just like, you asked me for a favor and I'm going to do it how I do it.

[00:28:40] Like, I'm not going to call you every turn. Right. So micromanaging. It's crazy. That man is sitting. There's so many scenes of him sitting in his car, just listening like a stalker. He's like, I have to know every, I just have to know everything that's happening. I got, you got to keep me in the loop. You're going to keep me in the loop. You're keeping me in the loop. How about that loop? You keeping me in it? Here's the loop. I want me in it.

[00:29:09] They also like kind of move into Lincoln's apartment to do all of this research. Yeah, they have the one of the guys who does lab work and stuff like that. He's a character for sure. He comes in with as much of his stuff and it's like his whole team is back together working.

[00:29:31] And essentially when he calls on Amelia, she catches on a lot of times that he's trying to work her. And people are trying to tell her that like he doesn't usually compliment people. But he just notices her raw talent and she wants nothing to do with this. She doesn't want to be a part of this. And she's like, she declines. I do not want to do any of this. And essentially they're like, and she's like, you can't make me.

[00:30:01] And Ryan's like, I can't. But then, and O'Neill's character's like, but I can. So essentially they kind of threaten her that if she doesn't take on this role, then she won't be able to even get her transfer that she has been waiting forever for. So she kind of gets roped into it. We also have Detective Kenny who's also working, who is the opposite, who's showing like all this admiration for Rhyme and like who he is.

[00:30:32] And I think that's also why he likes Amelia is that she's not fangirling. She don't give a damn. Yeah. She don't give a damn. And she's like, you could keep that. So I'm trying to think. Okay. So Eddie is the tech, the lab guy. Played by Luis Guzman. Right. And then Pauly. I loved him in this role. Yeah. He was great. He was fantastic. And then we have Ed O'Neill playing Detective Pauly. One person that we did miss in the beginning when we're introduced to Amelia is Bobby Cannaval.

[00:31:01] And I was like, girl, get back in bed with him. What you doing? And he's like, my therapist says you're not good for me. So we're already supposed to learn that she's detached, essentially, that she says she can't commit. So we're getting some idea of like what her personality is. And then later on, we find out that her parents died and all sorts of other stuff.

[00:31:24] So yeah, I always like no matter what role Bobby Cannaval is in, he will always be the funky spunk guy from Sex and the City. Like every time I see him. I don't know. I'm trying to think like what was my first introduction to him? I mean, obviously, I love him that he's married to Rose Byrne.

[00:31:53] I love her. But then he used to date the Broadway star who's now with Hugh Jackman now. Oh, son, Foster? Yes. So it's like I know more about his person than his acting. I'm looking now to see what exactly was probably the first introduction to him. He's always like he shows up in a show or a movie.

[00:32:22] I'm like, ah, Bobby's back. Like he's just done so much. Okay. So he was on Ally McBeal for five episodes. That might also have been something. But yeah, I can't. Oh, shall we dance? I remember him being in that one. Yeah. Probably the first time. I love him. Yeah. He's a good actor. Thank you. No problem. Oh, I got it wrong.

[00:32:50] It wasn't asbestos that was like sprinkled. It was what they think is sand, but then they figure out is ground up oyster shells. Right. That's why it's called Pearl Street. Yeah. Thanks for that fun New York fact. Well, I was like oysters. You know, they ate so many oysters in the in New England that they would just throw them out in the street.

[00:33:16] And a lot of the streets were just like paved and discarded oyster shells or they would pave roads on top of them. Mm hmm. So that's where my brain. Where your thought came from. Well, obviously, New England is not New York. Let's never confuse that. But I know that's where you're pulling your reference point. Yes. But you know that they filmed this in Quebec as if we wouldn't know that's not New York. I don't pay attention that much. Oh, I know you do. Yeah.

[00:33:46] Quebec. That's where most of it was shot. A lot of the exterior footage was actually filmed in New York. And Lincoln's bedroom and medical equipment, all that stuff were constructed on a Montreal soundstage. So they tried to fool us, couldn't fool us.

[00:34:08] So now they realize because there's like a little like piece of paper that has the time four o'clock on it. And then there's like a page pulled out of a book with the page number 119. And so they figure out like, oh, the wife, whatever the the suspect is going to do to the wife is going to occur at four o'clock on 119.

[00:34:34] So like the suspect is giving them ways to clues to get to the person in time if they figure it out quick enough. So they figure out because of Pearl Street and then the bolt is from steam pipes, turn of the century. And the the the suspect is also really like fascinated with like vintage old things.

[00:35:03] It seems. I will say. I know a lot of people were saying that this movie is in line or like could be accompanied by seven. Right. But the thing that irritates me is the motivation of the killer, because when we get there, I'm like, what? Yeah, I agree. Totally.

[00:35:31] Like it just the math wasn't math. And when the killer is revealed, you're just like, no. And what I was having a good time watching this because I haven't watched it in so long and I could not remember who the killer was. And then it clicked. A good. I will say almost half like the second time he appears. Mm hmm. Because literally he Lincoln says, oh, thanks, Richard.

[00:36:00] And then says like then goes back to the infant, the information or the evidence. It says rich. Right after. And I just I don't know if that was on purpose. But that's when I was like, like, Raven. It hit me. If you're not what if you're listening and not watching, I just made crazy eyes. So now we're.

[00:36:29] Now we're on a timetable to get to the wife before 4 p.m. Because they know something's going to happen. They don't know what yet. So they get down there. They find that like this wall is sealed off. They're trying to and they figure it's these giant steam pipes and the steam is released every day at four. The wherever the steam comes from, they're like they can't they can't change the schedule for whatever reason.

[00:36:57] And then they're like, well, maybe we can turn it off like or block it like right at the main here. Or redirect it. Right. And they find that like where you make that redirection has been tampered with. So it breaks and they're not able to redirect the steam. So now they're going to blast their way. Into where the wife and they can hear the wife. Yeah. Crying. And.

[00:37:27] The killer. Read like undoes a steam pipe and like places it like turns it to. Be pointing directly in front of. The wife. So essentially the cops are not able to get to her in time. She's boiled alive. I feel like it's actually scarier that we don't see her body because just like.

[00:37:52] As Angelina Jolie's character finally is able to get in and she's going to go capture the evidence because Rhyme is very like focused on. Yeah. Yeah. He's very specific about. That rest of the cops can't come. She has to to survey this survey the scene and get all the information and the evidence. But as she's walking you do feel scared because you. You know that this woman was just literally steamed alive and.

[00:38:19] Like your brain is trying to put that together and how insane that is. Which I think makes it scarier than maybe some of the horror flicks where you do see the body. You know. Yes. Definitely. Yeah. So she. And they blasted and Ken goes. Well there goes all the evidence that he staged. If you're like literally blasting. And the steam itself. Right. Like.

[00:38:47] Like the steam is like popping up manhole covers. Right. You know like. So what fucking evidence. Right. It was. It was right at the top. Yeah. It was just like we're gonna. We're just gonna put it out of the way over here. Right. When. When she does go in there and she finds this bone. And. Rhyme's like. She's like I found a bone. And he's like where is it. She's like in my hand. Baby girl. He didn't mean your hand.

[00:39:18] Yes. I was like no no no. And I feel like. She's. She's a smart person. Like. That is something you see in like a rom-com or something. Like not. A thriller where you've already like collected evidence in such a like. Sophisticated way. It's in my hands. It's in my hand. When she went to collect whatever that fur was. You know I was. My. My.

[00:39:47] Ass was itching. Watching that part. But. The thing that really really got me. Was when. This man. Straight face. Said. Okay. Because she told him that this. She sees the lady. With her hands above her. Her head. Shackled. Yeah. In handcuffs. He was like okay. So I need you to go. I need you to go open that box. And get out the saw. Okay.

[00:40:17] And then. I need you above. Above the wrist. Or below the wrist. So. Cut her hands off. Yeah. And he said it like. When you go to the grocery store. I need to get some milk and orange juice. Okay. That's how he was saying it. And. She was like. Wait. What? And. I will not be doing that. I'm not doing that. I'm not. Because you know. The. The. The rest of the team is waiting for her to be like. Okay.

[00:40:46] You can remove the body now. Right. So why not just wait for them and be like. By the way. I need those handcuffs. After you remove the body. He. He. The chain of command. He don't want nothing. He. That's the best way. Right. And then. Instead of him saying. Amelia. I know this is really hard. I know this is scary. He. Says. Oh. You didn't hear me. I said. Get some. Orange juice and milk at the grocery store. Like. No.

[00:41:16] It's not a. I didn't mishear you. Yeah. I heard you tell me to get the damn song. And cut this lady's hands off. I just said. I'm not doing that. What? He said it like three times. And he. And she was like. F him. Threw down her. Her earpiece. Everything. And she's like. I'll go on. Home. And he's on. Amelia. Amelia. You there? Amelia. You there? I said. The grocery store.

[00:41:48] Milk. And orange juice. Well. And like. Couldn't she just take pictures of the handcuffs? Did you need to hold them in your hands? Couldn't you just like. Look at pictures? I'm sure she could get the make and model. There's literally no guy out there who's like. Oh. I saw it. You tell me none of them dudes. Yeah. Well. She did not go to the grocery store. She went home. And when she goes home.

[00:42:17] As she pulls up to her place. First. By the way. It looks like she's in Manhattan. And she pulls her car up to just park randomly. Like. There was going to be. Open parking. My mind was blown. Out of all the things. And so she must. It shows that she lives in a cobblestone neighborhood. But that's like. Not a lot of places in the city. Yeah. It's very small areas. Maybe she was in. It's probably. Very common in Quebec. Right.

[00:42:47] So she pulls up. And then you see from the scope of somebody else. The bone collector. Because they got a hanging baby doll. It was weird. Creepy. In their car. So you now know that she's being followed. She goes upstairs. What progresses to happen. Angelina wouldn't do it. A real police officer wouldn't do it. No. But my God. They made this lady do this. Where. She's fallen asleep. She's taken her phone off the hook.

[00:43:16] Because a lot of this movie has a lot of. Like. Jump scares. Right. And then you see someone. Trying to get into. Like knocking on her door. But then also trying to turn the door. Yeah. And so. She finally wakes up from her slumber. And goes to the door. She looks out of the peephole. Doesn't see anybody. She then opens the door. Never would happen. With the top lock still on. Peeks. Can't see anybody. I was like. Oh. She's gonna close the door.

[00:43:45] She takes the lock off. She takes it off. Opens the door. Hello. Girl. You might as well. Got that milk and orange juice. From the grocery store. And you're gonna be doing such stupidness. Like what? And then. Like she comes back in. And then like there's weird things at the window. So she starts like.

[00:44:15] Peeking around the window. Now she picks out the gun. Yeah. And she's like. What's going on with the window? And she like draws the curtain back. And it's her co-worker like Garfield. On a car window. Like hey. Don't shoot me. I'm like. She isn't a police officer. You know. She has a. Loaded firearm. At her disposal. And this is how you're gonna approach her?

[00:44:43] And we still don't even know if he was the one at the door. Right. So. She. She. He comes through the window. She finds out that. He's like rhyming. He's really worried about you. She's like. I don't give a damn. I hope he found somebody to get his orange juice and milk. Yeah. Because it wasn't me. And he's like. No. No. You gotta come. We got some new evidence or something. So. She goes to go get dressed. He looks around her apartment. She got boxes. She got all sorts of stuff.

[00:45:12] And he's like. Oh. So you just moved in? She's like. Yeah. A year ago. He's like. And then he proceeds to start looking through her shit. Yeah. Leave my shit alone. She. He sees a picture of her. Like. Her dad. So what we're. What's alluded is that her father was a cop. We find that out. I don't know how he dies. He. He committed suicide. Oh. Damn. So I think. Like. She's struggling a lot with like.

[00:45:41] And it doesn't really explore like. Why he committed suicide. But like. The assumption is like. The things he's seen as a cop. Like. He just couldn't. Get over. Yeah. It was a lot. Yeah. So that's why. Like. Now we understand why she's transitioning out of. Being a cop. Right. And why she doesn't really let people get super close to her. So by the time she gets to Lincoln's. He. He. He tries.

[00:46:11] His best. To make some sort of apology. Where he's like. I don't even know how he says it. But it's. There's no sorry. There's no apology. He was like. You know. You did really good today. Yeah. You did real good. I didn't really need that milk and orange juice. So don't worry about it. You'll get it next time. But she immediately clocks it. And she's like. So this is how you're apologizing. Like. She's just like. Not buying. Anything he's selling.

[00:46:41] And then he proceeds to push again. Because remember. We had the previous scene. When he was pushing. And she keeps calling him out on it. Where he's like. Well. Yeah. So. Your daddy. I looked him up. Look at him. I scream. Yeah. You got God given talent girl. Don't worry about your daddy killing himself. Yeah. You. Hope you're all right. And she's just like. What the fuck? Oh. A part we missed. When. When lady got boiled.

[00:47:12] She had. Oh. Jackie. Just call it like I see it. Remember. I was going to be in forensics. I needed. A shield. Not going to be. Oh my God. She had. Lady got boiled. I heard baby got back. And that's really what took me out. Let's. Continue. She had like a big gash on her forearm.

[00:47:41] And some of her bone was missing. Right. And. I think we saw that. Previously too. Yeah. Yeah. And. She has the. The bone she found right here. In my hand. So. They're like. Okay. He kind of has a signature. Right. So. The next scene is. At a nightclub. There's a student that. A young kid. He's. He's leaving the nightclub. His. Girlfriend is actually going to go with him. But like. She's.

[00:48:11] Like finishing up her conversation. Or whatever. She's like. I'll meet you. Afterwards. And so. He gets in the taxi cab. And. Uh oh. Wrong cab to get in. And so. Locks him. And. Bashes him. Oh. Sorry. I was thinking. About the cop. But that's. The next. The next victim. So. Yeah. The killer. Abducts him. Brings him. To like. Another. Abandoned.

[00:48:42] Old timey. Industrial location. The. The killer. Cuts him up. Pretty good. So that the rats. Will find him. And have a feast. I just feel like. With the surgical precision. That this. Person. Is. Doing these murders. The fact. That in their search. They weren't looking for people. With medical. Skills. Was weird to me. Yeah. To narrow it down. Yeah.

[00:49:12] So. While this is happening. We're back at Lincoln's. Apartment. And we're analyzing the bone. And it turns out. The bone isn't human. It's. Cow bone. There's also like. An old newspaper. Embedded in it. And. What we also. What they're finding. Through all of these clues. That are being left. Are like these. Microscopic. Pieces of paper. That. Are like. Tucked in. The different.

[00:49:42] Pieces of evidence. And. They're still trying to figure out. What they are. And like. Play with them. To kind of put them together. So. There's also. The. The hair. That was collected. They figure out. It's rat hair. And it's not just like. A rat happened along. It had been shaved. So they knew. It was like. Actually placed by. The killer. So now. They're like. Okay. Well. We need to find like.

[00:50:13] An old time. Stockyard. Is. Going to be our next. Location. That's abandoned. Because it has rats. So they start. Researching. And trying to find. Abandoned. Slaughterhouses. And stockyards. That didn't take place. Okay. So all of these clues. Lead them to. A slaughterhouse. Dating back to the 19th century. Amelia. Insists on like. Hey. I'm going to go in. Collect the evidence. So she. She's moving through the building.

[00:50:43] Looking for anything. And then. She finds. The student. Again. Too late. Rats have. Essentially. Eaten him alive. Yeah. He has a gash. And bone removed from him. But she. Processes the scene. She finds another. Old scrap of paper. Another bone. And so. She brings. That back to Lincoln. So all of these. Microscopic. Pieces of paper. They're kind of like.

[00:51:12] Trying to figure out. And they're all sitting around. The computer. With Lincoln. And he has to control. Everything from. Like that. Breedy. Tubey thing. And they're just. Barking orders at him. Because he. He's like. Thelma. Come here. You like puzzles. Like. And she's like. Rotate it to the left. Move it down. Flip it over. Like. She's just like. I was like. Let the poor man. Breathe for a second. Like literally. But it's also.

[00:51:42] At this time. Captain. Michael. Rooker. I can't remember his name. Chaney. Chaney. He's pissed. He's like. Forget it. He has them storm in. He's taking over. Or he's not giving the evidence. For him to do the puzzle thing. This was after. After. He. The guy takes over. The. The case. You're right. And. He takes the evidence. From Amelia. And then brings her in.

[00:52:10] Without any kind of chain of command. Whatever. Something. That had to be signed for the evidence. Chain of evidence. Then he lets her go. Because they find a fingerprint. And. They find. A. Cabbie. Who has a history of violence. So they're going to go. Capture him. Because he thinks it's this easy. And she's like. Like. The guy would never. Leave fingerprints. Like. What are we talking about? So she leaves. And she. He's playing with you. Right. Yeah. So she leaves. And she goes to be.

[00:52:40] With. Her. Her. Her boo thing. Apparently. Because I'm like. Did I skip some scenes? What the hell is happening? So. She goes over there. I. I think. He has. Oh. He has a seizure. An incident. So. That like. For her to see it in person. I really think she. Feels for him. For sure. Rooker guy comes. And tries to. Once he realizes the cabbie is dead.

[00:53:10] Comes to try to find her. Because she stole the evidence. And brought it back with her. So that. He could see it. That. Lincoln could see it. And so. Thelma is able to hold off the guy. She's like. If you don't have a warrant. You can't come in here. So peace out. And so then. That's when they're. Pulling all the evidence. Of the papers. And they're trying to put it together. And then. They realize. Because Thelma is a real puzzler. That. The pieces together. Once you fade it out. And all this other stuff.

[00:53:39] That it's actually a picture of a face. And Lincoln recognizes it. From a very old. Crime. Books. Publishing company. Company. Right. That made crime books. Yeah. So then Amelia goes to this library. To go find it. And. Of course. All of them fall. But the one that falls open. Is the one called. The bone collector. Well. And I'm like. As soon as that creepy ass. Like. Worker was like. They're upstairs. I was like. He did it. It's a meeting like.

[00:54:09] Creepy as fuck. That's. The whole movie. Is a bunch of red herrings. Yeah. Like truly. It felt like a Scooby-Doo episode. There was even like. A fun note. That like. Michael Rooker. Shot. Some of the scenes. Where you can see like. The killer's eyes. With the mask. Yeah. To like. Throw audiences. Off the scent. That maybe it's the captain. That's doing all of this. To get back at. Oh. And when they were. When Amelia. Borrowed. The evidence. And was looking at it. With Lincoln.

[00:54:39] She's like. This has a really strong scent. Like. Fuel scent to it. Yeah. And so they're like. Trying to figure out. What that's all about. And she finds this book. And it's like. Literally. Chapter by chapter. Recreating the killings. In this bone collector book. Which. Lazy. Yes. Because it's not. Nothing. Okay. We'll get to that part. But. When he. When he has. He has his incident. Or whatever. Both Delma. And Amelia.

[00:55:08] Are by his side. There's just one scene though. Where she's like. Caressing his hands. And. Touching his scars. I'm like. What is happening? Like. I just don't understand. When it went. From. Mentor. To mentee. To like. Very intimate. Yeah. I just. I'm like. I kept rewinding. Like. Did I miss something? I think it's probably. Probably the trauma bond. Of it all. But still. Like. It was very. I said. Okay. Well damn. Denzel. No matter what movie.

[00:55:38] He gonna get the girl. You know. Like. I remember in the Pelican Brief. That it was kind of like. This situation. Where. It takes it a little step further. Where they insinuate. Because Denzel has talked about this. When it comes to him. He understands. How important he is. In the black community. Especially to black women. He knows. Who his audience is. And who has been down for him. This whole time. So. He is very. Particular. About. You know.

[00:56:08] Having a white woman. Be his lead. Mm-hmm. And. So. What the Pelican Brief. There were. It was written that they would kiss. Or whatever. And he said no. At the time. I think things got a little bit more. Progressive. Maybe. Mm-hmm. In times. That. They were able to do. What they did with this. They don't kiss. But there. There's an insinuation. At the end of the movie. That they're kind of. They're something together. Right. And then. This. This jump. That we get. Where she's caressing his hands. And he's like.

[00:56:38] You know. You could go to jail. For a full station. Because yes. Yes. What are you doing? Yeah. So. I. I just found that. Like it wasn't a natural progression. I think the producers were like. They're too hot people. Let's do it. And. I don't know. It's almost like a woman. There can't be a male and female lead. What. If there's not something romantic. Right. What will the woman do? Like. What will it roll me? Also. Apparently. Angelina Jolie.

[00:57:08] Shot a bunch of nude scenes. For this movie. But then they decided to make it PG-13. And so they had to cut them all out. Nude scenes for what? And that's how I felt. As soon as the movie started. And we see that she's got a man in the bed. It's almost like it very much set. The scene that she's supposed to be this sexual. Person. Or thing. You know. Which. This is one of her least sexual roles. Ever. In my opinion. Yeah. Yes. And. And.

[00:57:38] And doesn't need to happen. And I think. Yeah. It's just unfortunate. Because like when we're talking about fear. How. Like. Once Reese Witherspoon got on. To the scene. They added that whole. Situation on the roller coaster. Without her knowing. And I could feel like. Once. She was so open and free. With her body. In Gia. That it was like. Every other movie after that. It was like. Yeah. Trying to get her naked. Essentially. So. After.

[00:58:07] Lincoln's seizure. Where he. He's still recovering. He's still asleep. Thelma lets. Amelia know. Like. Hey. He. He has plans. To die by assisted suicide. So. She just kind of. Comes to the realization. Like. He doesn't think. He has a future. And. So now. Like. It shifted her mindset. Of like. I really need to do this. I need to find this killer. To kind of prove to Lincoln. Like. He still has.

[00:58:37] Value. In this world. Even. If he's. A quadriplegic. So. But while he sleeps. Amelia's just kind of. Scoping out his digs. Looking at it. All his awards. Looking at. Like. His police badge. All of that stuff. Which comes into play. During the next. Set of murders. That is about to occur. Her. So we see. A grandfather. And a granddaughter. Get into. A taxi cab. And.

[00:59:07] A cop actually. Pulls the taxi cab over. Because. His fare light's not on. And he doesn't have proper registration. For a cab. And. He's just shot. In. Broad daylight. New York. The granddaughter is immediately. Like. Panicked. She's little too. She's like. Eight or nine. Maybe. At most. And so. Like he tried. I know he's following the book. The killer.

[00:59:37] But it's like. He's trying to escalate. Because he's not. It's like. He's not getting. The result he wants. I guess. Right. Well. And then. Take an old person. And the child. Yeah. And it must be just like. Very dissatisfying. To not. Be there. When they're like. Piecing these things together. Because that. For me. That's the fun of the thrillers. Is like. Figuring out the pieces. Like. Right. Putting the puzzle together. And so. I think he. He feels like.

[01:00:07] They're not. They're not working fast enough. Or hard enough. So he's just going to make it more. More blatant. And like. Easier targets. Type thing. But. Amelia's able to like. Figure everything out. Because now she has the book. Right. And she actually. Is a component. In helping. Save them. From the whole situation. Which is. Like. I think it's the. Isn't it the first. No. What. What. I was going to say.

[01:00:36] It's the first time they're able to get ahead. Yes. Because she's immediately like. The next chapter. It shows. Like. Victims. Like. Being drowned. By rising water. So. They have a couple more clues. So that. They're like. Okay. We need to get down. To the docks. And we need to figure this out. And then. She has. Like. A headset now. So she can. She can talk to. Like. She and Lincoln. Have an open. Line of communication. But it still.

[01:01:05] Seems to be communication. By like. CB radio. Yeah. And then. That's when Lincoln's like. Hey. That. Fuel smell. We were smelling. It's diesel fuel. Look to see. If there's like. A refueling station. Or anything. Around there. For the fairies. And so. She finds. The grandfather. And the granddaughter. Tied to. Like a pier post. They get them. Unfortunately. Grandfather. Had died. But they were able.

[01:01:34] To resuscitate. The granddaughter. How does she go. Into the other area? Oh. She. She starts to process. The area. The. The scene. And she finds. Another piece of bone. She finds. An old police badge. And a subway map. And so. She. She eventually calls. Ryan. And said. Lincoln. And says. That she thinks. You know. This badge thing. She starts describing it. He thinks it's. A police badge.

[01:02:04] And then like. She does. This. I feel like. TV show. Like the mentalist. And psych. Does this. Where they're like. I start to guess. That maybe she's a visual. Like she has. Photographic memory. Because she's pulling up. All this evidence. And putting it together. And realizes. That it's. Once she finds. The subway station. Oh. Sorry. From the map. Map. Right. So. Thelma pulls up. Like all of the subway stations.

[01:02:33] That used to be in existence. And they're like. Trying to figure out. Because like. There are dots on the map. That Amelia finds. And so they figure out. Where she needs to go. She goes into. The defunct. Subway station. And like. The subway track number. Or something. Like has. The number. Seven. Eight. Four. Nine. Nine. Nine. Nine. Nine. Nine. Nine. And she's like. That's. That's brand new. Like that hasn't. Been here. And that's when she starts to like. That's so raven it. Where she's just like.

[01:03:03] Flipping. Flipping it all together. Yeah. Flipping like the Rolodex in her brain. Like okay. But she's also like. Mentally talking to herself like. Like. What would Lincoln want me to do? Like I need to remember the. The clues. Remember the evidence. And then she remembers seeing. Lincoln's badge on his shelf. And his badge number is. Seven. Eight. Four. Nine. Nine. So she's like. Fuck. Need to get back to Lincoln. Yeah. He's going to try to kill her. Yeah. And before she even gets a chance. To like.

[01:03:33] Do that. The killer comes to the door. Thelma opens the door. And he. Slices right into her. But you know what? Jackie. Do we ever see Thelma again? Is she dead? I think Thelma's dead. Because we don't see her in that like. Year later. I thought. It says yes. Nurse Thelma dies in. I thought Queen Latifah had.

[01:04:02] A clause. After set it off. That she would no longer. Die in these movies. So it did not even come into my brain. That. I am. Shocked. I am shocked. I. I. I won't be. What this whole movie is. Oh. It says. Hmm. She has a no death clause. In her acting contract. To prevent her characters. From being killed off. So she remains eligible. For sequels. She started adding the role.

[01:04:32] After her character. Suffered. Brutal on screen deaths. In early films. Like set it off. Sphere. And the bone collector. That's crazy. Well. I. I also think it's really cool. That like. She worked on this movie. With Denzel. Denzel. Was in. The movie version. Of the equalizer. And then she. Became his character. Essentially. In the equalizer TV show. Which I do think. Was originally a TV show. Before he made it. The movie. But.

[01:05:01] Full circle moment. Yeah. Wow. Did not know it. And she sees. Who else? Oh. The captain. Michael Rooker. Yondu. Is. Has also been killed. In the hallway. And I never understood. Like. First of all. Why he got them gloves on. Was it cold? I don't know. I thought. It looked like he was about to. To catch a case. Of do a murder himself. So I was like. Wait. Who died on the floor? I was just. Very perplexed. Yeah. Missed all of this. So then he. The killer comes in.

[01:05:31] He goes. And go wash his hands. Do all sorts of stuff. And Lincoln. Is like. Thelma. Thelma. Thelma. Thelma. Thelma. And she. Of course. Is not answering. Yeah. And then. The man walks in. And he's like. Oh no. It's just me. Richard. And we find out. It is the. The tech guy. But like. Lincoln has that little. Inkling. Right. And so he. He like. Is slightly moving his hand. Over the mouse. And putting his bed. In like. Emergency mode.

[01:06:01] Emergency power mode. Because he's like. This man. Is going to. About to do something. And I. Can't. Defend myself. But at all. And so. Like the. The killer. Yeah. Richard comes in. And he's like. Essentially. Remember when you were an expert witness. And you testified. Like the evidence. Wasn't. Collected incorrectly. Like he just has. It is. The. Lamest.

[01:06:31] Killer reveal. Ever. Ever. Ever. So let me. Let me get you straight. They asked for my opinion. I wasn't even on the trial. They asked for my opinion. Now you say. You didn't do it. Then you went to jail. For six years. Seven years. For messing up the evidence. Or planting evidence. As they said. And. You got. Brutally abused. In.

[01:07:01] Jail. But you didn't go after your lawyer. You didn't go after the other lawyer. You didn't go after. The jury. The judge. None of those people. But you came after me. And in order to come after me. You didn't go after my family. My friends. Nothing. You pick random New Yorkers. Yep. You started slicing bitches up. Throughout the city. The tri-state area. Leaving me clues. Like puzzles.

[01:07:31] From a book you read. When you were 12. Yes. And you. You expected me. From my bed. Right. And by the way. You know I'm trying to kill myself. So just do it bruh. What are we talking about? Yeah. Girl. That's the like wildest part. Is like. He was planning on killing himself anyway. Right. You didn't have to do all of this. No.

[01:08:01] Dog and pony show that you did. You are a serial killer. And. I had nothing to do with that. I just don't. Well and it's just like. Why that book. There's just like. So many questions. No ties back to like. And I get the locations and stuff is because it was like. Written at the turn of the century. So he was doing using the old timey locations. But like why you sir.

[01:08:30] Richard Dick. Why did you choose that book? There was no like. Connecting that piece to him like. Oh. Like. Remember Lincoln. Like you. You use this book as evidence to like. You know like just something to like link it back to me. People from his cases. Yes. Or like the first murder from that book was like the case that like put him away. Like near that.

[01:08:59] And so he used. Just something. Give me. Some reason why this man proceeded in this manner. And then. He goes. Like Lincoln's like okay. This man is coming after me. Done we're gone. Yeah. So he's like. Computer. He put his bed down. We're in emergency mode or whatever. Because the guy unplugs the computer. He unplugs like the modem I guess. Right. And then he unplugs the bed.

[01:09:28] So he thinks like Lincoln can't do anything now. Right. Okay. Well. Surprises on him because his hand got jacked up because Lincoln did something where the bag go. All the way back. And. His hand is jacked. Like I feel like I saw bones sticking out. It was so bad. And he's like trying to pull it out of the bed. And I was just like oh no no no. And then.

[01:09:57] And then he had the nerve to pull Lincoln off the bed. On the sheets. And Lincoln can't do nothing. So he thinks. And this Mr. Bond evil man now. He's got. He pulls a knife. Because he can barely hold the first hand. Yeah. He's got a knife. And instead of just stabbing him. He goes. And then I'm gonna cut you dry. I'm gonna let you watch me gut you. And then. I'm gonna slice this side. Like. Sir. And then Lincoln's like.

[01:10:27] How about that? Ship, ship, ship. And the. Dick's like. Come again. And Lincoln's like. And he gets closer. And then Lincoln bites the shit out of his aortic. I loved it. I want to see it again. And he's not letting go. Pitbull. Oh, Lincoln. In the top two of when I like the bone crunching. I also like.

[01:10:57] I like it. I like it a lot. And Lincoln just rips that man's neck open. Because guess what? Your. Your mouth is the strongest part of your body. Your bite at least. And that. Like there's no coming back. And I have said many times on the show. You gotta know what the arteries are. Yeah. You gotta know. You gotta know. Cause they can save a life. In the groin. You gotta know. Save a life.

[01:11:27] Just saying. How to save a life. Well, now Richard's real mad. And so he. He's still going. He pulled a knife up in the air with his hands trying to go down. And boom. Pop, pop, pop. He did. Boothang showed up. He pulled up. He pulled up. And the next thing we know is Christmas. Hanukkah. New Year's. I'm not sure.

[01:11:57] It's the holidays. It's something Kwanzaa. Tis the season. And so we see Richard and we see the crew coming in. And this is when it still didn't click that Thelma wasn't there. And Amelia's got a foxy dress on and everything. So they're entertaining. So I guess we could assume they living together. I don't know what's happening. Yeah. They're making eyes. They're doing something.

[01:12:24] And then his sister comes and she's like, well, how did you get here? How did you know to come? Why are y'all here? And he's like, oh, this Amelia. She's like, I know. We've met. And he's like, what? And Amelia's like on the phone. Oh. Yeah. That's it. That's it. That's the bone collector. That's the bone collector. There were no bones crunching, but there was arteries a-chomping.

[01:12:51] I feel like I just want this episode to end with, I ain't never scared by bone crushing. Because like that is synergy. Doon, doon, doon, doon, doon, doon, doon. That is not the beat of the song, by the way. It just came to me. I was grooving. That's the beat. So additional fun facts.

[01:13:17] Because so much of the movie takes place around Lincoln's bed, cinematographer Dean Semler, and the camera team constantly needed to find new ways to film Washington. Semler recalled Noyce offering a case of Foster's beer to anyone who found a camera angle the production had not already used. Nice. Nice. That's motivation. Yeah. Christopher Crowe was brought on to do a screenplay polish.

[01:13:45] Despite the success of Jeffrey Devers' Lincoln Rhyme book series, Washington and Jolene never made a sequel. I feel like that would have been fun to see them do it. And I feel like they could do another one even now. That time has progressed. What? NBC adapted the characters into this television series, Lincoln Rhyme Hunt for the Moan Collector, in 2020. It lasted one season. It was good. I was sad that when it got canceled. Was it? Yeah.

[01:14:15] The curse of COVID probably didn't do it any favors. Yeah. It was a black show. I'm just going to leave it at that. Dever began with the idea of a detective trapped alone in a room with a killer. Simply tying up an able-bodied hero felt too familiar. He therefore created a protagonist. Nope. He therefore created a protagonist who could not physically escape, forcing himself to believe.

[01:14:45] He therefore created a protagonist who could not physically escape, forcing himself to find a believable way for Lincoln to fight back during the climax. Universal was reportedly concerned about recouping the film's cost even after selling part of the distribution rights to Columbia Pictures. But on the wrong horse. Yes.

[01:15:09] But Dever said Universal paid him approximately like $1 million for the film rights, and he did not attempt to control the adaptation. He viewed the filmmaking as a committee process and preferred to accept the money in return to writing his novels, which was really cool. Yeah. Noise offered to personally cover any amount the production went over the studio's agreed budget. In exchange, he would receive half of any money saved. Ooh.

[01:15:37] And then he said the movie finished nearly $1.5 million below the studio's ceiling and that he happily collected his portion of the savings. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. The cast had actually two weeks of rehearsals, which was a lot. It's deemed that's a long time for rehearsals. So I do think that pays off.

[01:16:01] I feel like when you have a good amount of rehearsal time, you do see it in just like the chemistry of the cast and everything. Let's see. Any more fun facts? I think that's it. Yep. Okay. Well, just a reminder to hit us up at NoMoreLateFees on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, YouTube threads. And Jackie, what is your present day rating of this movie? Does it hold up?

[01:16:27] I was just so let down by who the killer was. Mm. Mm. And like all of them, it just feels rushed the whole time. Like, like they figured out like the, the clues pretty much immediately. Yeah. So probably I'm going to go five day rental. It's still good. It's very watchable, like great, fantastic acting.

[01:16:56] Great actors in this movie. Like when the beginning credits were rolling, I'm like, I don't know who else in this. Louise Gussman. Queen Latifah, you're here. Like, I was just like, oh, this is a really great cast. So it just doesn't resonate with my forensic heart. I mean. Yeah. I'm going to say five day rental as well. The killer just didn't make any sense for me. So. The way the killer died though, top tier. Top tier. Yeah.

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