Superhero Sequel Dreams with Mike & Mike

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[00:00:53] Wo Magie live auf der Bühne Wirklichkeit wird. Spare jetzt bis zu 30% unter magicweeks.de This week on the No More Late Fees podcast we are joined by our pals and hosts of the Mike and Mike go to the movies podcast the Mike's thanks for sticking around y'all.

[00:01:13] Hi. Yeah, thank you. We're just I was just sure we come in. Yeah. We're just glad you don't have fatigue with us yet. Keep coming back. Not yes. Anytime you guys cover a Marvel movie, it tends to be us.

[00:01:29] So we appreciate I'm like, oh, maybe they don't want to do Marvel and then like well, we'd be happy to expand the base. But yeah, absolutely. Any of these like pre to like 2000 superhero movies, you know, it's fun to revisit. It's always good.

[00:01:44] The next one will throw you for a loop because you guys I do love how versatile you guys are. You're not like I only want to do this type of movie. You literally would do about anything. What? Oh sure. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

[00:01:57] Yeah, we've we've even started daring our listeners to donate and make pick us pick a movie for us. Like we'll do literally whatever they want. Yes. Yeah, we'll plug that here to $50 in our Ko-fi page. You get to choose whatever.

[00:02:08] That's not what I was trying to do, Mike. That's always something for more money. Yeah, us too. We'll be stealing that. Exactly. It's only backfired once when someone made us watch Freddy Got Fingered, but otherwise, we have to do that.

[00:02:23] Or do you call that kind of a bit of an enlightening? I think we were enlightened. Yes. It's on the criterion channel now, Mike. That's true. So what are you guys been up to? What's new? Yeah, what have we been up to?

[00:02:36] I mean, it was about maybe a year ago that we were on last, right? Talking about Daredevil. Yeah. Yeah, I think. Yeah, since then, you know, mostly just working in our own lives, but also we've launched a new season of The Complete Works, which we're pretty

[00:02:50] excited about and Mike D won the poll this year. That's right. So he's excited about that. So my finger on the pulse. Yeah. You know what the people want. That's right. Exactly. So for those who don't know, The Complete Works is our show.

[00:03:02] We do, we actually merged the two podcasts now. So Mike and my go to the movies is coming out in the form of bonus episodes to The Complete Works, which is now our flagship show. But The Complete Works, we is a show where we go through the filmography

[00:03:14] of an actor and it's in their entirety from beginning to end. Our first season was Nicolas Cage. We watched all of his movies and are still doing that. Our second season was Jeff Goldblum. We watched all of his movies and we're still doing that.

[00:03:24] And our third season was Michelle Yeoh and we watched all her movies and we're still doing that. And so for season four, Mike D was like, we got to pick a dead guy. We got to pick somebody who, when, when the season's done, it's done.

[00:03:37] We don't have to keep doing it. Yeah. You just need an outdate at some point, you know? Right. Or someone who's retired, like Bruce Willis would be good because he's retired and he's not going to probably make any more movies. Absolutely.

[00:03:50] But so we did a big poll for season four, like we did for season three. Our four finalists, Mike D put out Roy Scheider, who eventually won the poll. He is our season four subject. And then it was Roy Scheider.

[00:04:01] And who was your, Walter was Mike D's other choice. I was going for more modern stuff. I went with Nicole Kidman and Kirsten Dunst and I fully expected Kirsten Dunst to win and she was in the lead for a while.

[00:04:12] And then suddenly the Roy Scheider hive came out of nowhere on Twitter. Mike, did you just gather a bunch of people said, look, I need y'all to vote. I think we got like a specific retweet that put it into the older movie head

[00:04:27] crowd on Twitter and we all got all the votes. And so that happens. So yeah, we're doing Roy Scheider. The season actually just started a few weeks ago as of this recording. So yeah, we're like deep in the, we're in the early seventies now

[00:04:38] in a Roy Scheider's career. We just watched French connection, which we're recording this week. And man, that movie rips people should rewatch French connection. It's good stuff. And yeah. And we're excited to get back to Jaws because Jaws is both of our like favorite movie of all time.

[00:04:48] So looking forward to that. That's awesome. I remember talking to, we all have a mutual friend named Andrew who introduced us actually. Yep. Upstate Andrew. And I remember when you guys were voting and I had, I believe, I think I voted for Kirsten Dunst, right?

[00:05:06] And then when you guys got Roy Scheider, I was like, what? What else he did in, right? And so Andrew and I were talking about it and he looked it up and then he started naming all the movies. He was in, I was like, oh shit. Okay.

[00:05:18] It's more than Jaws. Yeah, it's an incredible run of movies in the seventies, which is great. The only downside is that every time I explain the podcast to people, a lot of people think that I'm talking about Rob Schneider. With very interesting.

[00:05:36] And I want to try to make it very clear. It's not a Rob Schneider. We've got ourselves from that as much as possible. Did I say Rob Schneider? Cause I might know. Yeah, I've like just been explaining the podcast to people in my life

[00:05:52] who asked me about it and they're like, oh yeah. So when's Deuce Bigelow, Male Gigolo? Is that coming up? And like the hot chick episode. Look, y'all need to do a hot chick episode. It's one of our biggest episodes. People love the hot chick. Yeah, really surprisingly.

[00:06:07] Yeah, if we do a Rachel McAdams season, that'll be the thing that's come up. It's a banger for real. Oh gosh. Speaking of Twitter, I was inspired by for today's game by a tweet. Okay, so we covered Spider-Man 2.

[00:06:22] And as we talked about Spider-Man 2 is known as one of the best superhero sequels of maybe all time. Yeah, question mark. But I didn't want us to do best sequels. I want to talk about Dead on Arrivals.

[00:06:39] I want to talk about the sequels we didn't get whether we wanted them or not. Okay, and I saw a tweet where like this person wrote a misogynistic tweet where it was the worst superhero movies ever have something in common.

[00:06:56] I wonder what it could be and it's pictures of Birds of Prey, Harley Quinn, the Marvels and Madame Webb. Madame Webb, okay. I haven't watched it. We'll give them that one. I just watched Madame Webb the other night. It is very bad. However, Birds of Prey pretty good.

[00:07:13] I like Birds of Prey. So good. I will die on that hill that Birds of Prey is so good. You don't have to die. It's a quality ass movie. It's a comfort movie. Yeah, of the DC Extended Universe movies of which I don't like most of them.

[00:07:28] I think Birds of Prey is like top three easily. Yes. It's very, very good. It is so good out of like the Batman movies. It's one of my favorites. Nice. The Marvels was very good. It's just okay. We know it's the fandoms are misogynistic and nuts.

[00:07:46] So I was very offended. Then someone wrote like they reposted it and wrote a tweet and said this is so offensive to me. A person who watched Batman vs. Superman had the audacity to write this tweet.

[00:08:00] So then it got me in the thought process of like there are way worse superhero movies even in our genre. There was a plethora and so I put a list together. Some of them are just superhero movies in general that didn't get a sequel.

[00:08:15] So they're not saying they're all bad, but there's some ones here. So I'm going to just name a few and then all of us collectively have to figure out how to rank these as okay. Yes. Hell yes, we want a sequel and is I'm glad it didn't happen.

[00:08:33] Okay, so Hellboy 3. We didn't know. So you're talking about like a Guillermo del Toro directed Hellboy 3 with Ron Perlman back, right? Yes, because they did make a Hellboy a few years ago with David Harbour's Hellboy. Oh my God, remember that movie? Yeah, it's shit. That was pretty bad.

[00:08:49] I would love a Hellboy if they brought Guillermo del Toro and Ron Perlman back to make Hellboy 3 like just bring the old cast back, Salmo Blair, Doug Jones. I would love to see it. I haven't watched Del Toro's Hellboy movies in a long time, but Hellboy 2

[00:09:01] I really loved at the time, especially. Then we have Punisher. I think three did they make us? I think they made a second one, but it wasn't with what it was not with Thomas Jane. It was Ray Stevenson who right? Yeah, and so yeah, like rules.

[00:09:17] I've never seen it. What Punisher Warzone? Punisher Warzone. I've also never seen it. I've also heard it rules. It's got like covering Punisher 1 with Thomas Jane on the Roy Scheider season because he was Punisher's dad. Yeah, that gets killed at the beach in the beginning. Interesting.

[00:09:31] I don't think he has any lines, but he's in there, right? Easiest check he ever made. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Although now I think Jon Bernthal is the Punisher now, I think in the He wasn't the Daredevil show.

[00:09:42] Yeah, on the Netflix show, but I would imagine he'll be back in the next Daredevil show. They're doing a Disney Plus. True. They'll bring him back in some capacity. I'm sure the next I'm just quickly run through the rest of them and

[00:09:54] then we can start debating Sky High 2 never got it spawn to never got it mystery men to Mm-Hmm. Hancock to which was discussed never got it right fantastic for three. Okay, because we didn't get it Daredevil to an Electra to okay. Yeah.

[00:10:22] So of these like what do you think like what do we think is the most worthy of like getting a sequel? That's the idea. Jackie and I are already on the same page. We are. Yeah. What is it? Sky High 2. Yeah, number one baby. Okay.

[00:10:35] I've actually never seen Sky High either. Yeah, if this is my kids Universe or something. No, no, I was Disney is Tim Allen is now that's her Russell that zoom you're thinking. Oh, yeah, there was a similar movie at the same time. Really? It was not similar.

[00:10:55] Okay, they're both so confident like so we have Kelly Preston and Kurt Russell as the parents of Will Stronghold who is the child and he's going to superhero high school essentially and they're separated into sidekicks and heroes, but he doesn't have his powers yet.

[00:11:16] And of hiding that fact. It's so good. We have Bruce Campbell as the coach. I mean we have Linda Carter as the principal like it is just so good up to your it sounds good. That sounds like you guys should donate $50 to our copy page to make

[00:11:31] us watch. I will send that Monopoly money ASAP. That's right. So yeah, that's definitely our top pick. Yes, which ones rank high for you guys? I mean Hellboy 3 definitely for me. I think you know just that is like that kind of unfulfilled Guillermo

[00:11:50] del Toro thing where I'm a guillermo del Toro has a habit of getting attached to things and those things never getting made and that's been a thing with he was supposed to make the Hobbit trailer the Hobbit when

[00:11:59] that was like I think it was one movie when he was attached. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was eventually two and then it became three and then Peter Jackson came on board. But yeah, he was supposed to be his Hobbit.

[00:12:08] It was supposed to be he's going to make his at the mountains of madness with Tom Cruise and all that. But yeah, I think Hellboy 3 I think of these is easily the one I would want to see the most mystery men too if they could somehow bring back

[00:12:18] Smash Mouth. I know Steve Harwell died last year. And so that's difficult thing to do. I don't think that's going to happen. But maybe he got something in the ball. You never know if they film the secret scene or something or if there

[00:12:32] is like if there is a modern band equivalent to Smash Mouth, I guess they would be the next ones the ones to replace them, but I can't think of who that would be. I definitely Spawn 2 for me. I loved Spawn growing up.

[00:12:44] It was scary a little bit for me, but yeah, I remember being very freaked out by Spawn. Yeah. There was rumors for a long time that Jamie Foxx was going to they were they've been talking about reprising it for a long time.

[00:13:01] Yeah, and I know he really wanted to do it, but I don't think that's going to happen now. Love that movie. Yeah, that's cool. Is it Michael Jai White is it? It is. I think so. Yeah. And now since the Michelle Yeoh season, I've gotten very into direct

[00:13:15] to VOD action movies. So I'm all about that Michael Jai White. Blood and Bone. Have you seen that one? I don't know actually. That is like if you love action movies, if you love martial arts because he doesn't get talked about enough for his skill.

[00:13:35] He's so skilled but Blood and Bone, I think is his best role. All right. All right. Yeah, he's a henchman in one of the Michelle Yeoh movies, Silver Hawk, I think, right? Is that the one with Michael Jai White in it?

[00:13:49] Where, yes, Michelle Yeoh is basically Batman and it's the movie's not as good as you want it to be. But Michael Jai White's really fun. He's in one of the Blade movies randomly, not in a big role. And it's just such a waste.

[00:14:04] I always hate that he didn't. It might be the first Blade. I can't remember. But I think you're right. Yeah, he's definitely in one of the Blades. He's in The Dark Knight also. He's like one of the pencil guy, right? Yeah. Yes.

[00:14:16] He's not the guy that gets hit with the pencil, but his henchman gets hit with the pencil. Jack, do you have any other ones or Mike D? I agree with Hellboy. I think Punisher 3 might be fun. I can see Punisher 3 being fun.

[00:14:32] What's Thomas Jane been up to, you know? Right. Or would we have to recast the Punisher again? Like it would be Thomas Jane, then Reece Stevenson and then whoever the next guy is. True. Could be Scott Adkins. I'm just kind of putting this in here for now.

[00:14:49] We'll debate Sky High 2 versus Hellboy later. So Punisher 3 or Spawn? I'm going to go Spawn only because it's been less explored in other media, you know, Punishers had three movies because there was a Dolph Lundgren one of the 80s too and then he's on The Daredevil Show.

[00:15:06] He's everywhere. Spawn, we need more Spawn in our lives. It had a TV show for a second there, I believe. I think it did. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I think it did. Okay, so we have Hellboy 3, Sky High 2, Spawn 2, Punisher 3.

[00:15:20] Now we still have Mystery Men 2, Hancock 2, Fantastic Four 3, Daredevil 2, Elektra 2. So I'm going to put Fantastic Four 3 at the bottom if I can. Yeah, last. Dead last. That would be last. I mean, we're always thinking the exact same thing. Yeah.

[00:15:38] I've said this before probably on our podcast but Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer was a formative moviegoing experience for me in the fact that it was the first time I remember going to the theater and being like, wow, movies can be bad.

[00:15:51] Movies can be really bad actually. An important lesson to learn. Yeah, exactly. When it comes to Hancock, I didn't hate it. Yeah, I didn't hate it. It was, you know, it was okay. Yeah, I think what I would have loved to see more is like the

[00:16:09] lore of these characters, maybe flashbacks to their origin together. Like more of a prequel than a sequel. Yeah, and seeing their love. I felt like they kind of held back on the interracial thing because it was Will Smith and whatnot. So it was super weird.

[00:16:28] If they can like lean into that more, it would be better. Like post-Daredevil now, like we can have like raunchy superhero movies, like R-rated superhero movies. Like I feel like there's some prime Hancock material to mine. Yeah, I remember. I don't, I definitely saw Hancock.

[00:16:44] I don't remember too much about it, but I remember kind of really digging the first like half hour or so when it's just Will Smith being a piece of shit. Like just being like a drunken hobo superhero. Very fun.

[00:16:57] And then I think I like the last half of it when it becomes more of a generic superhero movie, it kind of like lost me. But and it's also in that kind of weird period where Charlize Theron's like not quite an action star yet.

[00:17:07] And she's kind of like in that weird, like she was in a few big movies early in the 2000s, mid-2010s. She has Fury Road. She has the Fast and Furious movies, Atomic Blonde and all that kind of stuff.

[00:17:17] And it's like, oh man, if they made a Hancock June now with Charlize Theron as an action star would be pretty cool. I don't know. I would debate that she already was in her action star bag by then because she had done A on B.

[00:17:30] The flux did exist. Yeah. Italian job. I know she wasn't like fighting but she was doing all of her driving stunts. That's true. Yeah, I think she like there was another tier of it in the 2010s. Like once once Fury Road comes out, it's like holy shit,

[00:17:43] Charlize Theron like wow, she's amazing. But yeah, and then she has like Atomic Blonde and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Just like yes, which is a very funny moment in The Fall Guy, which is really fun. If anybody hasn't seen it. I'm seeing it tomorrow. Don't ruin it for me.

[00:17:59] It's very early. It's the opening montage of the movie, but there's a you know, just an opening sequence. That's like, oh stunts. They're so important to Hollywood and all that kind of stuff and it's showing clips from a few movies and one of them is

[00:18:08] Atomic Blonde and I think that was very funny because David Leitch who directed The Fall Guy also directed Atomic Blonde and it's like I'm working my own movie in there. Getting my own stunts in there. So important. And she's in the MCU now.

[00:18:21] So I don't know what she's going to be doing next. Oh, yeah, she's Clea in the post-credits scenes of Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness and maybe she'll show up again. I don't know. There's been a lot of those surprise cameos and post-credits scenes lately.

[00:18:33] Okay, so Mystery Men or Hancock? Hancock over Mystery Men. Okay. I would go Mystery Men. All right, Mike D. Hancock or Mystery Men? I'm going to say Hancock because I haven't seen Mystery Men. I'm sorry, Mike. I'm going to go for Hancock too. But it's right under.

[00:18:54] It's right under. All right, and now we have the bottom of the barrel. Right. I would say Elektra over Daredevil. I believe Jennifer Garner is supposed to make some kind of appearance in the new Deadpool as Elektra. She is. So we're sort of getting a backdoor electric too.

[00:19:14] So that's something. Yeah. All right. So Elektra, Daredevil, and then Fantastic Four 3. Yes, I feel comfortable with that. We have our list. I'll say it. Say the finalized one. One last time. We've got Hellboy 3, Sky High 2, Spawn 2, Punisher 3, Hancock 2, Mystery Men 2, Elektra 2, Daredevil 2, and Fantastic 4 3. All right.

[00:19:41] I like this. Remember how bad that Josh Trank Fantastic Four was? Oh yeah, the 2015 one. Yeah, that's rough. A full reshoot wig. Yeah. I feel like they should let it go. Every 10 years we're going to try to make a new Fantastic Four.

[00:19:52] Yeah, we're going to do it this time. They need to let it go. It's like in the end, stop trying to make fetch happen. Well, and now Pedro Pascal is attached. And so now I'm like, I have to watch it. It's actually a pretty incredible cast. I'm sad.

[00:20:05] Yeah. Yeah. And I really love the Fantastic Four comics. And so I am looking forward to it. But it's one of those things like, I've been burned before. I don't know if this is going to work. Zero expectations going in. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:20:21] As long as it's like pretty good, I'll be happy. That's like, that's yeah, that's all I want out of this new Fantastic Four. So we have a question for everyone now. What is the worst superhero sequel you have ever seen?

[00:20:35] And it doesn't have to be in our time frame. Okay, the worst superhero sequel I've ever seen. I see here that we have like three, like we can list three. Is that right? Like we have. No, no, just one. That's our picks. Okay. Oh, yeah. I'm reading ahead.

[00:20:51] My bad. I have mine. So I can go. All right, Jackie, you go. Ant-Man and the Wasp, Quantumania. Didn't finish the movie. It's a strong choice. That's not very good. Ant-Man and what is it called? Ant-Man and the Wasp. Quantumania. I had such high hopes for that one.

[00:21:13] Yeah, that was. Yeah, man, that was. It was a really weird choice to introduce. Like this was the one that was going to go all in on Jonathan Majors as Kang, which obviously, yikes, that like that ended up being a really poor choice for a variety of reasons.

[00:21:30] But it is so weird to me that like they chose the Ant-Man Ant-Man 3 to be the movie that like brings Kang into the universe and then Kang gets defeated by Ant-Man at the end and it's like, I don't think this guy's that much of a threat anymore.

[00:21:42] I don't know. It was just one. He's supposed to be the big bad of the Avengers. I was just wondering if he was the true Kang, even though they're all variations of Kang. Sure. I was just like, okay, this isn't the real one.

[00:21:55] Like I just thought it was a variation because we did get introduced to him in Loki if you watch the TV shows. Yes. And that got you hype if you know about the comic books, like you know him to be a big bad.

[00:22:07] And I think they used him really well in Loki too. Yeah. Both seasons. I think that was very effective, but I liked how Loki season two they kind of added in a thing where it's like we don't have to do Kang anymore.

[00:22:17] If we don't want to we can maybe like back. But the good thing their backdoor for all of this is casting is bad. No problem. You have limited limitless opportunities with the fact that you can go to different universes. That's true.

[00:22:36] Yeah, you can still do the Kang story and just say it's a different variant and it looks he looks different just like we saw with Loki all the different Lokis look different. That's why I was surprised that all the Kang's look like Jonathan Majors.

[00:22:49] I was like, they were really doubling down. I'm going to be big. Yeah, and they really messed it up for me. I don't think I don't know if it's like the worst ever but I'm mad. I sat through it more recently was Aquaman 2 Lord.

[00:23:05] I also was pretty bored by Aquaman 2. It really I want the popcorn was good. Sometimes it's all you need. It's real sad when Jason Momoa can't save a movie. I'm over him now. Like he's not a to me is not as hot as he was.

[00:23:27] I don't know what it is. Maybe it's because I think he's like a Jason Momoa. I feel like maybe he might be not a nice person in real life with women. I'm not sure. He's got that vibe. Yeah. Yeah. What about the vibe check?

[00:23:43] No, he doesn't Mike's which superhero sequel is the worst you've ever seen. So if you've been a fan, well, I guess there's two we got to define sequel a little bit on this. Okay. Okay. If you've been a longtime listener to Mike and Mike, you'll

[00:23:58] know my longtime nemesis. Well, you know a big story we've had on our pod for a long time is how much I fucking hate either the Joker if that counts as a sequel, but I know that's like a whole separate thing

[00:24:11] and the whole world's thing the whole other thing. So I guess not really the Joker but it that was bad and also Zack Snyder's Justice League the Snyder cut got me got me through the pandemic. Oh, no, because it was so long that it lasted. It wasn't tiring.

[00:24:33] You know what? It was I was so mad watching the Justice League movie and I was cursing Josh Whedon for the longest time and I was like, let me see about this night. I cut everybody talking about and so I did spend 80 hours

[00:24:48] watching it and it was better than the original. That's fair. I do think I'll give it a yeah. I appreciate the Snyder cut just because it is so bonkers and it's so self-indulgent and I kind of respect it for that

[00:25:04] it and it does improve upon the original version. So there is that I think it is boring at some parts, but otherwise you're other parts. You're like what is this? Like what is this madness that I'm being exposed to but I

[00:25:16] think it's a good choice for Mike D. I did make Mike D watch it for the podcast. I remember and I don't think he's ever forgiven me for it. I would say I mentioned before that Fantastic Four rise

[00:25:25] to the silver surface the movie that made me realize movies are bad or movies can be bad. I would say that's definitely a contender. Although I haven't seen it in like 20. Oh, I mean not like 15 years or whatever.

[00:25:37] I'm going to go ahead and say Dark Phoenix was pretty rough. I feel like I am more I'm more lenient on a lot of the Fox X-Men movies than a lot of then some people tend to be I really like I think most of them.

[00:25:51] I like X-Men 1 and 2. I like First Class and Days of Future Past. I like X-Men 3 more than it probably deserves. The Wolverine is very good. Logan's good, but the Wolverine rules. It's a trip like Samurai one. Yeah. Yeah, the Samurai the Japan one where he's on the train.

[00:26:06] It's incredible, but sorry X-Men Origins. Oh, yeah. That's garbage. Yes. Okay, sorry that one sucks. That one's really bad. Yes, but those the last few Fox X-Men movies before Disney bought Fox just really feel like they're sputtering out of control. What about New Mutants Mike?

[00:26:23] That one's I barely remember New Mutants. I don't know. We watched it for the podcast. We were talking about it for years because it kept getting delayed over and over again, but Dark Phoenix was kind of meant to be a sort of retroactively.

[00:26:34] It became the finale of the entire Fox X-Men series, right? Because Disney was like kind of ending it and starting its own new thing. But then it was also a redo of the Dark Phoenix story which was done in X-Men 3 and nobody liked it then for some reason

[00:26:47] they hired Simon Kimber who wrote X-Men 3 to write and direct Dark Phoenix. And so it was kind of just the same thing but with a worse cast and less memorable and no real good set pieces and you could tell Jennifer Lawrence just really wanted out like she

[00:27:00] was it's very funny watching the X-Men prequel movies because Jennifer Lawrence when First Class comes out, it's before Hunger Games and she's like ready to be there. She's good to go Days of Future Past comes out. It's after Hunger Games. She doesn't want to be there anymore.

[00:27:14] Well if I had to work with Bryan Singer, I wouldn't want to work there either. Yeah, absolutely understandable. And I love the Jennifer Lawrence thing of like, I mean it happens in every version of this where like somebody is

[00:27:26] a very, playing a very makeup heavy character in the beginning their full makeup and by the end they're barely ever in makeup. Like yeah, and the makeup in Dark Phoenix. Yeah, the makeup in Dark Phoenix is just like a light

[00:27:37] hue. Yeah, where otherwise she's like covered entirely with clothing so that there's no other makeup and then she gets killed off in like 20 minutes. And yeah, Dark Phoenix. It's a bad time. Don't watch it. I'm just like why just don't do this storyline no more. I'm over it.

[00:27:52] I'm over Jean Grey too. I'm sorry, Jean Grey hate all fucking day bitch. You got all the goddamn powers and every motherfucking minute you on the floor crying. Leave that man alone. He got business to attend to get your ass up. Omega level bitch. Come on. Yeah.

[00:28:13] Have you guys been watching X-Men 97? I am. She finally did some shit, but then guess what she did? Motherfucking passed out. Yeah. Don't get me started. She's like a Victorian lady. Like oh, don't get me started. I can't. My Jean Grey hate is high. Fair enough. Fair enough.

[00:28:32] Is Bryan Singer that bitch? Right under that is Jean Grey. Where does Brett Radner fall in there? I don't really care about him. Like this shit was already fucked up. He couldn't do any worse. Like honestly, yeah, it was already fucked.

[00:28:50] That is the unfortunate thing about the Fox X-Men is that most of them are made by people who have sexually assaulted people. Yeah, it's not great because they that's how they hang together. So if you see one you question the whole goddamn circle.

[00:29:05] I need two episodes to do one X-Men movie to talk about the assailants and the movie. Yeah, true crime part and then the movie review part. Have you guys done any X-Men's yet? We haven't yet.

[00:29:21] It's going to be it's going to be do we have one on the calendar? We don't. I just we need to get my pills ready. Employee pics y'all. The last time you were here Mike S. You gave your three Matrix Reloaded, AI and Party Girl.

[00:29:40] Okay, was there a theme to the pics or it's just like three random movies in the years, right? In our time frame. 95 to 2005. Okay, man and wherever your heart leads you and so I like whatever the first three movies I can think of from those 10

[00:29:57] from that 10 year time period. I'll give you time Mike because last time I panicked and picked two Tony Scott movies. He did. So I prepared this time. I wrote I picked I thought ahead. Yeah, I'm so proud of you. I love that.

[00:30:10] I love that for us just so the audience knows Mike D pick the Matrix Crimson Tide and Enemy of the State the last time he was here. Good choices. All right, so give it to us Tony Scott. Okay.

[00:30:23] So first number one if I was in a movie like at a video store and I had an employee pics thing the one that would probably never move would be there forever foundational Mike D text 1999's The Mummy. Yeah, that makes sense. Of course.

[00:30:38] I'm amazed you didn't pick that last time actually. Me too. That's how you know I panicked. He was under pressure. Yeah, and then these next two are actually stuff that I just like discovered in the last couple months that fall on the

[00:30:49] time frame Mute Witness from 1995, which is just on show. It's sort of I guess was like unavailable for a really long time, but it just popped up on shutter to stream and it's a horror movie that I think Mike Mike S would really like

[00:31:02] it's about a woman who's like a special effects artist on a movie set and they're in like Romania or you know, one of those like quote-unquote scary Eastern Bloc countries and she does not speak. So she is the titular Mute Witness and she gets locked

[00:31:18] in the studio overnight by accident can't get out or can't call for help and stuff and she witnesses two people that work on the movie come back and film a snuff film on the set and then it turns into a cat and mouse.

[00:31:32] No one believes her because it's a movie set. So there's fake blood and steak stage knives and all this stuff all over and how does she prove that there's a murder and all this stuff? So it's a real taught cat and mouse horror thriller kind of thing.

[00:31:42] So it's very fun. And then my third pick would be sexy beast from 2000. Oh, nice. Yeah, just we just talked about on Mike and Mike maybe a few months ago where we both watched it. That shit rocks. It's directed by Jonathan Glaser who just did Zone of

[00:31:54] Interest last year when this can't be further from that movie. This is a really sleek exciting stylish crime movie about this like British gangster guy who got out he did his one last job and he retired to Spain. He's been there for I think 10 years or whatever.

[00:32:08] He's been out of the game for a really long time and one day one of somebody from his past comes to Spain and pulls him back into the life and it's really intense and exciting and super violent when it has to be. So yeah, sexy beast. Love it.

[00:32:21] Cool. Did I give you enough time Mike? I think so. So over the weekend actually I watched this because I programmed it for Inferno of Danger which is my monthly action movie series at the Roxy Theater the indie theater near my house

[00:32:32] in Missoula, Montana where I also work and there is a hero by Zhang Yimou the Wuxia film starring Jet Li, Tony Leung, Donnie Yen, Maggie Cheung, Zhang Ziyi just insane incredible all-star cast of beloved Asian actors and this movie came

[00:32:47] out shortly after Crafting Tiger Hidden Dragon was released and was like a very big cultural sensation which of course we talked about on Michelle Yeoh podcast and I had never seen Hero before and it was really really cool. It's really fun. The fight sequences are amazing.

[00:33:01] It has this gorgeous cinematography and the epic sweep that goes along with it. After the movie somebody came up to me to thank me for programming it with like tears streaming down her face because because

[00:33:11] she was so moved by the movie and said it was like one of the 10 best movies she's ever seen in her entire life. And so yeah, it's really really good. Hero is the movie from 2002 and then I also want to mention

[00:33:20] another movie we watched for the podcast actually somebody paid $50 to make us watch this but the Star Trek First Contact good time a really fun one. I've been watching all the Star Trek movies over the last year mostly for the podcast because people keep giving us

[00:33:33] money to watch them which is great. Love that love that there's more movies. Hey, and so last year we had to watch Star Trek 2 the Wrath of Khan and so I ended up watching the first like for Star

[00:33:45] Trek movies around that time and then somebody paid to make us watch Star Trek First Contact. So I watched like the next four Star Trek movies and the first contact is the one is the next generation cast. It's the second next generation movie and it has kind of

[00:33:58] reputation of being the only really good next generation movie and it is. It's really a really fun cast that you know, you've got the next generation cast but it's also James Cromwell is like the cantankerous old man who is the one who helped

[00:34:11] them discover extraterrestrial life and they have to travel back in time to find to help him do that and it's really really cool and it takes place in Montana. So I had that like extra bonus for me.

[00:34:21] I was like, hey, I know this place because I live there and so yeah, Star Trek First Contact is one and then also my other one. I watched this one recently and I watched this on my criterion Blu-ray.

[00:34:31] I don't need to bust it out but Spike Lee's Bamboozled is really really terrific. I had a great time with this movie. It's a perfect racial satire. It's Spike Lee with Michael Rapaport and one of the Wayne's Damon Wayne's is in this movie as it reminded me very

[00:34:47] much of American fiction, which was last year. Just somebody who is trying to do some really interesting intellectual work but is just like trapped but is trapped in a racial system. Yeah, trapped by the system. And so he just makes like the stupidest thing like the most

[00:35:03] racist like thing that he thinks white people will like and then like, you know as like a joke as like a bit and then it works and it becomes a cultural sensation and it's so so funny and so intense and so crazy.

[00:35:16] And so yes, Spike Lee's Bamboozled is my third choice. American fiction is great. I just watched it with my mom the other day but fun story about Bamboozled. I used to have my own business called Black Buster in college

[00:35:28] where I'd rent out movies from my dorm room and one of my very first bootlegs that my dad sent me from New York was Bamboozled. It was a hot ticket. I made a poster and everything and everybody wanted to rent it so I have fond memories of Bamboozled.

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[00:37:15] bit lackluster to say the least. Yeah. So we love a little love. We do. Next week, join us as we celebrate the 20th anniversary of The Notebook with an episode rewind. If you missed it last season, this will be a great chance to

[00:37:32] catch up and if you already listened, spin the block around again and give it another go. It's definitely a fun episode. Jackie has some hard opinions. Hard opinions. Yeah. What if live on the pod I admit that I've never seen The Notebook? You're not missing much.

[00:37:49] I thought I was going to be attacked. I've also never seen The Notebook too and it's one of those things like I feel like I should see it at some point. I don't know. I'll get around to it. Like we gotta be less like just dudes.

[00:37:58] We got to stop. When I get my birthday money, I'm gonna throw some towards making y'all watch that one. Yes. When we watched it, Danielle was visiting and it was my husband and her just living their best lives, watching The

[00:38:14] Notebook and me being like, is this fucking over yet? You don't like fun. Literally Jackie married someone with her besties movie taste when it comes to love. I Ken, Ken is my movie twin and Jackie hates us both for it. And on that note, be kind and rewind.