Ghost Ship

[00:00:00] All aboard for a spine-tingling voyage into the supernatural.

[00:00:04] This week we're diving deep into the chilly waters of the 2002 horror thriller Ghost Ship.

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[00:00:34] This week we're talking about the 2002 horror classic Ghost Ship.

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[00:02:30] Well, we're not alone on this ghostly voyage this week.

[00:02:34] We have a special guest returning.

[00:02:37] Our wonderful friend Anwar has jumped back aboard with us.

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[00:03:09] Let's get on to Ghost Ship.

[00:03:10] So, the movie is about a salvage crew that discovers an abandoned luxury liner, Antonia Graza, which is floating adrift in the Bering Sea.

[00:03:23] But what begins as a lucrative opportunity soon turns into a nightmare as they uncover horrifying secrets and ghostly entities aboard the haunted ship.

[00:03:33] The movie stars Julianna Margulies, Gabriel Byrne, Ron Eldred, Desmond Harrington, Isaiah Washington, and Emily Browning.

[00:03:43] The movie was directed by Steve Beck and was written by Mark Hanlon and John Pogue.

[00:03:49] You can currently watch it for free with a free trial on Philo, which I think is like AMC's platform.

[00:03:59] If not, you can rent it on Amazon for like three or four bucks.

[00:04:04] But before we get started, let's get into our ratings rewind.

[00:04:07] You know the drill.

[00:04:08] Before we get into the movie, we'll reveal the rating our Y2K versions of ourselves would give.

[00:04:13] Then at the end, we'll see if our current selves agree with our initial rating.

[00:04:17] Our scale consists of would buy it, would buy it again.

[00:04:21] The best would plan repeat.

[00:04:23] Five day rental.

[00:04:25] Would watch again.

[00:04:26] Two day rental.

[00:04:28] Eh, okay, but nothing to write home about.

[00:04:30] And same day rental.

[00:04:32] Trash.

[00:04:34] Trash, trash, trash.

[00:04:35] I would say throw it in the ocean, but we don't want to litter here.

[00:04:39] Yeah.

[00:04:40] Agreed.

[00:04:41] So Amwar, what is your Y2K rating of ghost ship?

[00:04:46] But considering it was one of your employee picks.

[00:04:49] Well, you know, in a very 2002, possibly 2003 DVD brain, I would say this was a five day rental.

[00:04:57] Like I would watch it again.

[00:04:58] I don't know if I did watch it again, but I wanted to.

[00:05:01] I remember not hating it.

[00:05:04] I like horror.

[00:05:05] I like anytime anyone is sliced and diced.

[00:05:08] It's my favorite.

[00:05:09] And they had a really cool opening scene with that.

[00:05:12] So I'll give it a five day rental.

[00:05:14] I have not seen it since my Y2K self, but I enjoyed it when I watched it.

[00:05:20] As for me, you guys might be shocked about this, but I've never seen it.

[00:05:25] Not surprised at all.

[00:05:27] You're just not one with the spooky.

[00:05:29] No, no.

[00:05:31] I'm spooky light.

[00:05:32] Very spooky light.

[00:05:34] You're Halloween town.

[00:05:35] For the budget, we had $20 million.

[00:05:39] And it made $68.3 million.

[00:05:42] I don't get it, but okay.

[00:05:45] It opened number three at the box office with about over $11 million.

[00:05:51] And it couldn't make it to the top because Jackass, the movie dominated the cinema at the time.

[00:05:57] Well, you know, back then people went to the theaters to see things more often anyway.

[00:06:01] So like, you should go see it just to like try it out.

[00:06:03] And I think something like Ghost Ship, it made a lot of money when it came out in comparison to probably what it would do today.

[00:06:12] Yeah.

[00:06:13] Because there was a horror movie every week and it was just like, yeah, let's go see the one that's out.

[00:06:18] Yeah.

[00:06:18] And I think like, you know, there was this, there's something exciting about like a movie like this existing because it has a $20 million budget.

[00:06:25] It's not the biggest.

[00:06:27] It's not low, but it's not the biggest.

[00:06:29] It was that mid budget.

[00:06:31] None of these actors would have been in this movie today.

[00:06:34] Yeah.

[00:06:34] Because they would need somebody to get the people in or at least they would think they would.

[00:06:39] Yeah.

[00:06:39] So yeah, it's a very time capsuling movie in that regard.

[00:06:43] A hundred percent.

[00:06:45] Washed up stars.

[00:06:46] I have my burn book, Jackie.

[00:06:50] Oh, yes.

[00:06:51] Ready.

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[00:06:55] So last episode we did was Mean Girls.

[00:06:59] Happy October 3rd.

[00:07:00] That's when we're recording this.

[00:07:02] And so Danielle happened to show that she had her burn book on her desk and it was empty.

[00:07:07] And so we've started now a no more late fees burn book where everything we hate just goes into the burn book.

[00:07:15] Yes.

[00:07:15] And our first entry is boomers who went to watch 2005 Bewitched.

[00:07:22] Yes.

[00:07:23] Fuck you, boomers.

[00:07:24] Little Raj.

[00:07:25] Little Raj, who I am wearing my Little Raj shirt from our gals at Roll Call.

[00:07:32] R.I.P.

[00:07:34] So Little Raj, Roger Ebert said that this film is better than you expect, but not as good as you hope.

[00:07:42] That is a really fair assessment.

[00:07:47] Like, I think he's right on the money.

[00:07:50] He had his finger on the pulse on this one.

[00:07:52] Yeah, because, like, you go in with no expectations to a movie called Ghost Ship.

[00:07:57] But then you're like, you leave and you're like, it had such an interesting premise and it just was all wrong.

[00:08:06] It delivered.

[00:08:07] There was Ghost.

[00:08:08] There was a ship.

[00:08:11] Well, it just sounds dumber than it.

[00:08:13] Like, it sounds like it's going to be not taking itself seriously.

[00:08:18] Like, the film does.

[00:08:18] It sounds like it's going to be a joke.

[00:08:21] And when you sit down and you watch it, you're like, okay, this movie, it's not the worst movie I've ever seen.

[00:08:26] Like, I'm not going to go and complain about this to anybody.

[00:08:29] Like, it doesn't do that.

[00:08:33] Like, you're going to forget you watched it.

[00:08:35] Yes.

[00:08:36] You're going to remember the creepy kid and the opening scene and that's it.

[00:08:42] And that's the only thing that matters.

[00:08:44] They said, let's open with our best scene.

[00:08:46] Exactly.

[00:08:47] And you're going to stay and you're going to watch it.

[00:08:49] And if you're young enough or high enough, you will watch this movie and feel like you watched something amazing because of this first scene.

[00:09:00] It's like the perfect movie in that sense.

[00:09:03] That should be the tagline for this movie.

[00:09:05] If you're young enough or high enough.

[00:09:08] If you're young enough or high enough, you are going to love that beginning.

[00:09:15] And there was nothing like it at the time.

[00:09:18] So, it really does feel, it does stay in your head.

[00:09:21] But that's the only part.

[00:09:23] Do you remember anything else about the ship and the ghost?

[00:09:26] No.

[00:09:26] You see that part.

[00:09:29] And that's it.

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[00:10:05] So, I love, I don't think I've gotten a chance to say this, but I love Gabriel Byrne.

[00:10:11] I love that man.

[00:10:12] Anything he's in, I'm usually going to watch it.

[00:10:16] I don't know what it is about him.

[00:10:17] And you know, I know exactly when it happened.

[00:10:22] Little Women.

[00:10:24] That was when I was introduced to him.

[00:10:27] And then it was a love fest ever since.

[00:10:31] Hell, I even saw that movie about the devil with him in it because he was in it.

[00:10:38] What was that called?

[00:10:39] Which one is that?

[00:10:40] Stigmata.

[00:10:41] Stigmata.

[00:10:41] Yeah, he wasn't.

[00:10:42] I always get him in every, I get that movie and I get them confused.

[00:10:48] They're the same people.

[00:10:49] All the people are, it's the same movie.

[00:10:50] It's the same.

[00:10:53] Oh.

[00:10:54] But Gabriel Byrne replaced Brian Cox, who backed out of the project to do the ring.

[00:11:00] He made a smart decision.

[00:11:02] Yeah.

[00:11:02] Wait, who backed out again?

[00:11:05] Brian Cox from Secession.

[00:11:08] The dad from Secession.

[00:11:10] Brian Cox did drop out.

[00:11:12] Brian Cox probably just had some other opportunity come.

[00:11:14] He could have used the check at the time.

[00:11:19] You know, he wouldn't have had to wait so long until Secession to have all these Emmys and stuff if he had did Ghost Ship.

[00:11:26] You know, people would remember him.

[00:11:27] He did the ring instead.

[00:11:28] That's way better than Ghost Ship.

[00:11:30] Nobody remembers him in that.

[00:11:31] I don't.

[00:11:33] You're right.

[00:11:34] But at the end of the day, he got his check and nobody remembers Ghost Ship.

[00:11:41] I mean, between the ring and like when you think about it, who during Halloween horror season and people talk about horror movies, you're going to hear the ring.

[00:11:49] Not what you you're going to hear that about the ring.

[00:11:52] But I will say that Brian Cox and Ghost Ship may have been.

[00:11:57] It might have got the extra half from Roger Eager.

[00:12:02] It may have been a thumbs up instead of the thumbs down.

[00:12:05] It's still a thumbs down.

[00:12:05] I think as much as I love Gabriel Byrne, Brian Cox would have been really good in that role.

[00:12:12] Just gritty.

[00:12:13] And he would have had way more curse words for sure.

[00:12:17] I'm sure it would have been Oscar nominated.

[00:12:22] This movie is missing the curse words.

[00:12:27] Like, I just feel like it would have given it something extra.

[00:12:30] I mean, it wouldn't have made it good.

[00:12:32] But I think they should have thrown Samuel L. Jackson on that boat.

[00:12:37] Yes.

[00:12:39] If they had put Samuel L. Jackson in it, it would have made like 20 million more dollars.

[00:12:43] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:44] And it would have gave them that little push they needed, you know, to...

[00:12:48] We would still be talking about it.

[00:12:49] Yeah.

[00:12:50] There's too many motherfucking ghosts on this motherfucking ship.

[00:12:55] I just...

[00:12:56] Yeah, there was no star power in this movie.

[00:12:58] I love Gabriel Byrne, like I said.

[00:13:01] But that's just a personal situation.

[00:13:03] And I do like Julianna Margulies in whatever she does.

[00:13:09] I don't mind her.

[00:13:11] Desmond Harrington was not on my radar at the time.

[00:13:15] He is now because he was Quinn in Dexter.

[00:13:18] And so, like, that's just all I say.

[00:13:20] I was like, oh, it's Joey Quinn.

[00:13:22] As soon as I saw Desmond, because now I know who he is,

[00:13:25] I said, that is who Chuck sold Blair to for a fucking hotel.

[00:13:31] And he's a slimy motherfucker.

[00:13:34] And so I knew he wasn't going to be good from the jump.

[00:13:39] But Julianna Margulies, I put her in the burn book.

[00:13:42] And I wrote, she is a cunt.

[00:13:44] Oh.

[00:13:45] And that's all I need to say.

[00:13:48] Just look her up.

[00:13:49] Okay.

[00:13:49] Julianna Margulies, it looks like, you know,

[00:13:52] they like copied and pasted her from every other thing she ever did.

[00:13:55] Like, she looked like the same person.

[00:13:57] Yes.

[00:13:57] Yeah.

[00:13:58] You know, it's like we're watching ER.

[00:13:59] Yes.

[00:14:01] And this was at the height of ER.

[00:14:03] She was playing her character, for sure.

[00:14:06] I love what actors do that.

[00:14:07] It's hilarious because it's like, I know who you are,

[00:14:10] but I'm pretty sure you're just one character in my head and everything.

[00:14:14] Like, they're the same hair, same outfit, same demeanor, same way of speaking.

[00:14:18] I was like, this is the good wife.

[00:14:21] Yeah.

[00:14:23] She may be a one trick pony.

[00:14:25] Just saying.

[00:14:26] Because I think even on the morning show, it's no different.

[00:14:30] She's whatever.

[00:14:33] Anywho, I can't stand that lady.

[00:14:34] So it was very hard for me to watch this entire movie.

[00:14:38] So there were no redeeming.

[00:14:39] Well, Gabriel Burns.

[00:14:42] And the guy from The Boys is in it.

[00:14:45] Carl Urban.

[00:14:46] And I got to go back and look at the Isaiah Washington drama because I'm like,

[00:14:51] am I supposed to not like him?

[00:14:53] I can't remember.

[00:14:54] He used the F word on the set of Grey's Anatomy in regards to TS.

[00:15:02] He actually called him the F word.

[00:15:05] But here's where my confusion lies because I know obviously that's wrong.

[00:15:09] I know he apologized for it.

[00:15:11] I know.

[00:15:11] I don't know if he, is it TS?

[00:15:15] TR.

[00:15:16] TR?

[00:15:17] TR Knight.

[00:15:18] TR Knight.

[00:15:19] TR Knight, sorry.

[00:15:20] I don't know if TR accepted his apology.

[00:15:23] I don't know what happened there.

[00:15:24] But I do know that Shonda Rhimes has a no asshole policy.

[00:15:30] Hence why Katherine Heigl has not been back at all on Grey's Anatomy.

[00:15:34] But she did have Isaiah come back when she was wrapping up Christina,

[00:15:40] Christina's character.

[00:15:42] So I was like, hmm, I do trust Shonda.

[00:15:46] So I wonder, like, did things get fixed?

[00:15:49] So I would like to know, as the audience,

[00:15:51] do you guys know anything about that?

[00:15:53] Like, what happened?

[00:15:55] Because she does not have people that, like, that pissed her off or are, like,

[00:16:01] horrible assholes back on her show.

[00:16:04] So was there redemption for him?

[00:16:06] I don't know.

[00:16:07] I don't know.

[00:16:07] It's probably because he was in that movie Blackbird with Monique with the son that was gay.

[00:16:12] It was a coming of age gay drama.

[00:16:14] I said, look at him.

[00:16:15] Do it worse.

[00:16:17] And he's on P-Valley.

[00:16:19] So, like, you know, he's like, I'm going to work with gay people to show everybody.

[00:16:25] And I'm not homophobic.

[00:16:28] Yeah.

[00:16:29] So I'm not, again, to clarify, I'm not hating on him.

[00:16:34] I'm not loving on him.

[00:16:36] I'm just asking where are we as a collective with Isaiah Washington?

[00:16:41] Does he go in the burn book or not?

[00:16:44] Asking for friends.

[00:16:48] So the eerie little girl, Katie, the best actress in this whole movie, in my opinion,

[00:16:55] played by Emily Browning, was only 14 at the time of filming,

[00:16:59] but has left a lasting impression with her haunting performance.

[00:17:03] That is fair because I only remembered the little girl in the slicing and dicing.

[00:17:10] Well, she had a pretty, she has a pretty good career even to this day.

[00:17:14] She did something called Sleepy Beauty.

[00:17:17] But what's hilarious is I know her as, you know, that little girl from this movie

[00:17:22] because then a few years later she did that movie, Darkness Falls.

[00:17:26] Yes.

[00:17:28] That's a movie nobody had.

[00:17:29] No one really knows about that.

[00:17:30] I don't think I've ever seen that one.

[00:17:33] Don't even know who's in it.

[00:17:36] She was in that moment with Jim Carrey, The Unfortunate Events, I think.

[00:17:42] Yes.

[00:17:43] Lemony Snicket.

[00:17:44] Snicket.

[00:17:45] Yeah.

[00:17:45] Yeah.

[00:17:46] Well, actress Francesca Rettandini, I don't know.

[00:17:53] Sorry.

[00:17:53] Messed it up.

[00:17:54] She did not speak English, which required the director, Steve Beck,

[00:17:59] to get a translator on set so that she could understand his commands.

[00:18:06] Point.

[00:18:07] I just, you're singing and you get hit by a hook.

[00:18:11] Take your bra off now.

[00:18:13] Yeah.

[00:18:14] Take the bra off now.

[00:18:15] And she was singing in Italian.

[00:18:17] Let me see them titties.

[00:18:18] Yes.

[00:18:18] I need side titty, front titty, nipple titty, titty, titty, titty, titty.

[00:18:25] She did what she needed to do.

[00:18:27] Yeah.

[00:18:27] Yeah.

[00:18:28] That's it.

[00:18:29] But that's why she's not giving much dialogue and why whatever lines she does have, they're

[00:18:35] just in Italian.

[00:18:37] I mean, the boat is supposed to be Italian origin, so it tracks.

[00:18:40] I had no problems with that.

[00:18:42] I didn't question it at all.

[00:18:45] That's a piece of trivia that's hilarious because it's like, who did that?

[00:18:49] Like, who wrote that?

[00:18:50] Like, just in case y'all wanted to know why I don't have any lines, we didn't wonder at

[00:18:56] all.

[00:18:56] You sang, you seduced, you died.

[00:19:00] That's all we need to know.

[00:19:03] That's my life's mission.

[00:19:06] Sing, seduce, and die.

[00:19:10] Sing, seduce, and swing.

[00:19:15] Julianna Margulies said in an interview that the movie had originally been written as a

[00:19:20] psychological thriller about what happens when you have too much of something.

[00:19:25] Money is evil, greed, and these two people start going crazy, which is why she agreed

[00:19:30] to do it.

[00:19:31] Then she got off the plane in Australia, and the script had been totally changed.

[00:19:36] She lying.

[00:19:37] She lying.

[00:19:38] She lying.

[00:19:39] She a damn lie.

[00:19:40] She is lying.

[00:19:42] First off, you signed up for a Dark Castle horror movie at this time, okay?

[00:19:46] House on Haunted Hill, 13 Ghosts.

[00:19:48] Girl, where are you?

[00:19:50] Like, this is that kind of movie.

[00:19:52] And I know she, let me tell you how I know she lying.

[00:19:54] I know she lying.

[00:19:55] Because she a fucking cunt.

[00:19:57] I know she lying.

[00:19:58] The script happened, changed.

[00:20:00] Girl, you was just trying to do a movie on your in-

[00:20:04] But like your hiatus from ER.

[00:20:06] Stop lying.

[00:20:07] It's like, I did Ghost Ship because it was fun.

[00:20:10] And it gave me some good money.

[00:20:11] Like, that's it.

[00:20:12] She lying.

[00:20:13] It doesn't have to be that serious.

[00:20:15] Like, she lying.

[00:20:16] Nobody would have hired you to be in that old, the other version of Ghost Ship.

[00:20:20] You lying.

[00:20:21] You lying.

[00:20:22] This is the one that they would cast you.

[00:20:25] She has now gone on record to say she disowns this movie.

[00:20:30] Nobody cares.

[00:20:31] You still in it.

[00:20:33] I bet she's still getting a check from it, too.

[00:20:36] Yeah.

[00:20:36] Right.

[00:20:37] I mean, she got a check for my $7 I paid for this movie.

[00:20:41] So.

[00:20:42] She also said, suddenly, I was in a really awful horror movie and it was shocking.

[00:20:48] But it was too late to back out.

[00:20:51] Whatever.

[00:20:52] The theatrics.

[00:20:53] Calm down.

[00:20:55] Even Jennifer Aniston isn't saying that about Leprechaun.

[00:20:58] Yeah.

[00:20:59] I signed up for it.

[00:21:00] I did it.

[00:21:01] I'm a little embarrassed, but I was in it.

[00:21:03] Right.

[00:21:05] Everybody's done it.

[00:21:06] Like, Renee Zellweger is not talking about Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 or whatever, which

[00:21:11] I'm the one she was with, Matthew McConaughey.

[00:21:13] Like, everybody has to pay their dues.

[00:21:15] My favorite piece of drama is that producer Joel Silver offered the film to Rennie Harlan, who

[00:21:23] passed on the project, and it broke up their long friendship.

[00:21:27] And Silver vowed never to talk to Harlan again.

[00:21:31] Over fucking ghost shit, sir.

[00:21:34] Yeah.

[00:21:35] Ain't nothing that serious.

[00:21:37] Listen, this is the same Joel Silver that gave us Demon Knight.

[00:21:40] Okay?

[00:21:42] He takes his movie seriously.

[00:21:45] These are the same.

[00:21:46] These are, this is from the producers of Demon Knight.

[00:21:51] So whatever.

[00:21:53] Makes you appreciate that one more, doesn't it?

[00:21:56] What else?

[00:21:57] But like, yes, Joel Silver said, listen, I'm giving you an opportunity of a lifetime.

[00:22:02] You could direct ghost shit.

[00:22:04] No, I don't.

[00:22:04] What did Rennie Harlan do before?

[00:22:06] Cutthroat Island with Gina Davis?

[00:22:09] He ruined the studio.

[00:22:10] He was lucky he was given an opportunity.

[00:22:12] That is so true because wasn't he with Gina Davis at that time too?

[00:22:17] Like, weren't they dating or married?

[00:22:20] Which makes it even worse.

[00:22:22] I don't blame Gina at all.

[00:22:24] She was trying to do what she had to do.

[00:22:26] That was all him.

[00:22:28] That, yeah.

[00:22:28] And so, yeah, Joel Silver is right, Rennie.

[00:22:32] Like, you should have did it.

[00:22:34] Because who is Steve Beck?

[00:22:37] I have no idea.

[00:22:38] Exactly.

[00:22:39] This would have been, we would have been talking about this every Halloween.

[00:22:42] Steve Beck made one of the best horror movies of our time frame, 13 Ghosts.

[00:22:51] 13 Ghosts.

[00:22:51] That's a lot, Jackie.

[00:22:54] I will die.

[00:22:57] I will die on that hill that 13 Ghosts is a masterpiece.

[00:23:03] It's indeed fun.

[00:23:05] And somebody like Tony Shalhoub won't just do anything.

[00:23:08] Right.

[00:23:09] But I don't know how Rod Digger got the part.

[00:23:12] Like, they was like, you know who we should get for this movie?

[00:23:15] To babysit?

[00:23:16] Rod Digger.

[00:23:17] Rod Digger.

[00:23:17] Like, out of all the female rappers.

[00:23:20] They didn't, they didn't know.

[00:23:21] Not Lil' Kim.

[00:23:22] Not, not even the Lady of Rage.

[00:23:24] Not even the Lady of Rage.

[00:23:26] Let's get Rod Digger.

[00:23:28] Name a song by Rod Digger.

[00:23:30] I can't.

[00:23:31] If it's not, it doesn't have Busta Rhymes in it.

[00:23:35] I'm not hate on her.

[00:23:37] Didn't you sing the song at the end of 13 Ghosts?

[00:23:40] Girl, I don't know.

[00:23:41] And we, and we saw that, we did this, we did that movie and I still don't know.

[00:23:46] No, that's the best, that's the best kind of cast to know when you can get somebody and

[00:23:49] you're like, actually, I'm not hating on you.

[00:23:51] I just don't know how you got the part because I don't know how they thought of you.

[00:23:56] Like, just walk us through the story of how you were cast.

[00:24:00] Like, I just want to ask that question to some of these guys.

[00:24:03] Every rapper at that time was in a horror movie.

[00:24:06] Every one of them.

[00:24:07] That's true.

[00:24:07] It was crazy how many rappers were just randomly in a horror movie.

[00:24:12] They said, we want more diversity.

[00:24:14] And they said, sure, we're not going to get real actors.

[00:24:16] We're just going to get rappers.

[00:24:19] And then they can do the end credit song as well.

[00:24:21] Oh, yeah.

[00:24:22] Right.

[00:24:23] All right.

[00:24:24] L Cool J song in Deep Blue Sea.

[00:24:27] My head is like a shark's thing.

[00:24:31] All right.

[00:24:32] Let's get into this movie.

[00:24:35] Are you ready for it?

[00:24:36] No.

[00:24:39] So they start out.

[00:24:41] Okay.

[00:24:41] I'm immediately confused because this looks like it's a facsimile of the Titanic to me.

[00:24:51] It's all fancy people in old timey clothes.

[00:24:55] And there's an Italian lady singing on the deck.

[00:24:58] But then they say that it sunk in like 1962.

[00:25:03] That it or it went missing in 1962.

[00:25:08] And I'm like that the clothing does not match the timeline.

[00:25:13] So already.

[00:25:14] The clothes didn't look too.

[00:25:17] Like if you if I go back and it doesn't look that far off from the 60s.

[00:25:22] What era were you thinking their clothes were in?

[00:25:25] Like the 19 like 10s or 20s.

[00:25:28] Oh.

[00:25:30] But I don't know.

[00:25:31] Apparently.

[00:25:32] The them having that like whatever the thing was was more like a normal thing that they did in that time period.

[00:25:40] But I don't know.

[00:25:43] Yeah.

[00:25:43] I didn't really.

[00:25:44] I didn't.

[00:25:44] I just thought it was old.

[00:25:47] That's all you needed to get.

[00:25:49] Yeah.

[00:25:50] I was thinking too.

[00:25:51] This is a period a long time ago.

[00:25:53] Yeah.

[00:25:54] I was thinking too much.

[00:25:56] So we see everyone's dancing on deck having a great time.

[00:26:00] And then all of a sudden this wire like it seems to just malfunction.

[00:26:05] And it goes across the deck and everyone is sliced in half.

[00:26:10] And it's so fun to watch everyone's body parts slide apart.

[00:26:14] And I loved it so much.

[00:26:16] Jackie.

[00:26:17] We definitely have different ideas of fun.

[00:26:20] I did think it was a great scene.

[00:26:23] Like I thought wow.

[00:26:24] This is okay.

[00:26:26] I underestimated Ghost Ship.

[00:26:28] I didn't.

[00:26:29] That was the best scene.

[00:26:30] Yes you did.

[00:26:31] You didn't think that was going to be the beginning.

[00:26:33] Yeah.

[00:26:34] You thought it was going to start even worse than it did.

[00:26:37] It just went downhill from there.

[00:26:39] But that's all right.

[00:26:39] I thought we were going to get into a mystery.

[00:26:41] Like who set up the string to kill all those people.

[00:26:44] And how tall was the cruise director?

[00:26:47] Why everybody else gets sliced in half.

[00:26:50] Right.

[00:26:50] And he's just in his mouth.

[00:26:51] I've thought that since 2002.

[00:26:54] Because like.

[00:26:56] And I've decided that it doesn't.

[00:26:57] Because he was like hunching over a bit to like dance with the little girl.

[00:27:01] I don't know.

[00:27:02] But the little girl is the only one left alive.

[00:27:05] She also didn't seem that small.

[00:27:07] Why is she still alive?

[00:27:08] Thank you.

[00:27:08] Why go over her?

[00:27:09] She ain't that little.

[00:27:11] No.

[00:27:12] She wasn't.

[00:27:13] And so I was like how does she not get cut in half?

[00:27:16] Because you know.

[00:27:17] It's like no.

[00:27:18] They cast a 14 year old to play like six.

[00:27:21] Yeah.

[00:27:22] Okay.

[00:27:23] I see.

[00:27:23] I mean.

[00:27:24] Because like.

[00:27:25] Nah.

[00:27:26] At least she would have been scalped in real life.

[00:27:28] Come on.

[00:27:29] Right.

[00:27:29] Yeah.

[00:27:30] And then how does she die?

[00:27:33] Because everyone in the boat wasn't killed.

[00:27:35] The people.

[00:27:36] Do they explain that?

[00:27:37] And I missed it.

[00:27:38] Because I was.

[00:27:39] Everyone was eventually killed.

[00:27:41] Except for one person.

[00:27:44] Who was the one person?

[00:27:45] Not the girl?

[00:27:46] How'd the girl die?

[00:27:48] I.

[00:27:49] That.

[00:27:50] I don't know.

[00:27:50] I'm assuming like she just.

[00:27:53] I mean she was on a ship by herself.

[00:27:55] Yeah.

[00:27:56] Oh.

[00:27:57] Okay.

[00:27:57] Well I didn't know.

[00:27:58] I didn't know.

[00:27:59] I missed that.

[00:28:00] But I guess it makes sense that they wouldn't have like time to show how a child dies.

[00:28:05] Yeah.

[00:28:06] So I guess I should appreciate that.

[00:28:08] Well in the movie wants you to believe she's the bad guy for some of it.

[00:28:12] So it's like.

[00:28:13] Like she's the one doing the shit at first.

[00:28:17] They don't do a good job with that because she's like.

[00:28:21] I know we talked you know she's a little bit creepy but not really.

[00:28:27] I don't think they did a good job of like making her scary enough to make it seem like it was her.

[00:28:33] She's just sad.

[00:28:34] She was just a glowing little girl.

[00:28:36] Yeah.

[00:28:38] She just has a little light shining on her.

[00:28:40] That's true.

[00:28:41] That was it.

[00:28:42] Like I think.

[00:28:46] Yeah.

[00:28:46] I mean I think part of it and this is me creating my own story to make sense of it.

[00:28:51] I think.

[00:28:53] Some of it is though that like she witnessed everything and was not killed in the same way and essentially suffered the most.

[00:29:01] So that is kind of why you see her because she is the she is representative like I know what happened and I experienced it and I suffered because of this.

[00:29:10] And I mean the movie ain't that deep but you know it's still like.

[00:29:16] Right.

[00:29:17] She started to death.

[00:29:17] She died of dehydration and she became a skeleton eventually.

[00:29:21] Like that was it.

[00:29:23] After the opening scene we're introduced to the salvagers which is just this group of people and they're hired to go and reclaim wreckage or whatever it is from the ocean.

[00:29:36] So we have and they just are on a little tugboat and they are Murphy, Epps, Dodge, Munder, Greer and Santos are the crew.

[00:29:49] I think in the beginning I had a lot of hope like I was like oh this because the tone did feel like 13 goes you know visually it was a very visually appealing movie.

[00:30:00] So in the beginning I was like oh I underestimated this.

[00:30:03] I thought this was going to be like from the beginning that good shot of all the killing and you see this new cast.

[00:30:11] They're about their business on the boats.

[00:30:13] I was like all right.

[00:30:15] And then we get this guy Jack Farrowman that shows up and he's like hey I was he's a pilot so he's like I'm flying around doing pilot shit and I saw this ship come on my radar.

[00:30:29] If it's this lost ship then it's worth a lot of money if you guys want to go out and like tow it back.

[00:30:35] And they're like there's a little bit of infighting like we don't want to do that.

[00:30:39] I just feel like they should have been suspicious off the bat.

[00:30:42] He was that's real creepy like how did you find us?

[00:30:47] How did you find this fucking boat is real weird.

[00:30:51] Well first off there's a lot of movies.

[00:30:53] This is just like alien on water.

[00:30:55] There's always these movies about these like random crews and you don't know what the hell they do or like what their actual job is.

[00:31:03] But they just around somewhere in the middle of nowhere finding things and doing things right.

[00:31:09] Right.

[00:31:09] Yeah.

[00:31:09] And and and they're and they always have weird names like that.

[00:31:14] Mulder.

[00:31:15] Kind of like X-Files.

[00:31:16] There's always somebody in brown face.

[00:31:20] Because the actor is never Latino.

[00:31:23] But they're playing.

[00:31:23] Yes.

[00:31:25] With the Santos.

[00:31:26] You know this is just this is just what's what's that from from aliens?

[00:31:30] Vasquez.

[00:31:32] Like this is the same thing.

[00:31:33] And I I think that was the thing that like took me out immediately because I remember like watching this I'm like okay I'm I'm here because I don't care about that when I was younger.

[00:31:44] You know what I liked?

[00:31:45] I liked the first scene and I and I just kept my eyes open for the rest of it.

[00:31:52] But that's a great review.

[00:31:55] And seeing it now I'm like I wow what a time where they really did just take an actor that is of Greek origin but a little bit dark makeup and make them say some like he's the one that curses the most.

[00:32:12] Yes.

[00:32:12] And he's the Latino character you know what I mean?

[00:32:14] I that threw me off.

[00:32:17] I liked it.

[00:32:18] Yeah.

[00:32:19] They were like oh they say we can't kill the black character off first this time around.

[00:32:25] Okay.

[00:32:26] Let's do some brown face on this Mediterranean man.

[00:32:31] Yeah.

[00:32:31] And kill him first.

[00:32:33] Yeah.

[00:32:34] And I mean all the actors are Australian based actors because they film the movie.

[00:32:39] Like so it's a TV network procedural cast.

[00:32:44] Right.

[00:32:45] I don't even know where I'm going with this.

[00:32:47] Ghost ship is strange.

[00:32:49] Like I tried to watch this movie.

[00:32:50] I tried to snap into it.

[00:32:51] I'm like I don't know what y'all are doing.

[00:32:53] I don't understand what's going on.

[00:32:55] I don't understand why you're on this.

[00:32:58] I understand y'all want to get these like mysteriously light gold bars.

[00:33:04] Yes.

[00:33:05] But I don't understand why.

[00:33:10] Right.

[00:33:11] And they didn't even know the gold was there.

[00:33:14] Yeah.

[00:33:14] I don't I don't know what they thought.

[00:33:16] I think they were like going to get salvaged parts.

[00:33:19] Like I still don't understand what they do.

[00:33:23] Are they pirates?

[00:33:24] Was it like the because the ship was missing for so long someone had said like we'll give a reward of X amount of money if someone can find the ship.

[00:33:34] And so they're like OK we found the ship.

[00:33:35] That's what I assumed.

[00:33:39] And that makes sense.

[00:33:40] That makes sense.

[00:33:41] That makes sense.

[00:33:42] They just didn't say that.

[00:33:47] We're having to put a lot of thought into a movie that should be mindless entertainment.

[00:33:55] And they found it accidentally like they just like banged into it.

[00:33:58] How do you see that big how do you see that big ship?

[00:34:01] Right.

[00:34:01] Well because the the captain boat driver man was too busy jamming out to his tomb like he was distracted by the rocking he was doing.

[00:34:14] Absolutely.

[00:34:15] He is also a representation of that character that is in control and does not do anything.

[00:34:20] That is a terrible horror movie trope.

[00:34:23] It is the same thing as there's always this character that's like not with everybody else.

[00:34:28] It is doing their own thing.

[00:34:29] Like like homegirl in deep Lucy.

[00:34:33] When she was in which like she just she was there to just get blown up and die.

[00:34:40] Yes.

[00:34:41] Yeah.

[00:34:41] And and they see something they tell people nothing.

[00:34:45] Yes.

[00:34:46] Go ship.

[00:34:48] So so now we're on the go ship.

[00:34:51] They realize there's a hole in the hull that needs to be welded.

[00:34:56] Good thing that there's a welder on board that can do that.

[00:35:01] So who is I don't even remember.

[00:35:05] It doesn't matter which character that is.

[00:35:06] And so they they go and just start exploring the ship.

[00:35:10] But they immediately split off into like they don't even buddy up.

[00:35:16] They just wander off into this ship that.

[00:35:21] Has been.

[00:35:25] Deserted for God knows how long.

[00:35:27] And you don't know what has happened to it.

[00:35:30] Yeah.

[00:35:31] And and you know you know how they always explain it.

[00:35:34] It says let's let's split up so we can cover more ground that way.

[00:35:37] It's like the line from everything.

[00:35:39] And they they don't even say that.

[00:35:41] I was actually watching this with somebody and they were why did they split up again.

[00:35:44] Like why are they not all together.

[00:35:47] Also I love how they're like now it's ours under the law of the sea.

[00:35:52] Is that is the law of the sea a thing?

[00:35:55] King Triton laid it down decades ago.

[00:36:00] Because it's in the international waters.

[00:36:02] It doesn't belong to anyone.

[00:36:04] Like it belonged to someone.

[00:36:07] Before like wouldn't they retain rights to it if it was found?

[00:36:12] Yes but then they find the gold and they're like oh we can't touch it.

[00:36:18] Because there's there's got to be an insurance policy on it.

[00:36:20] So now they're concerned about what could be owned and not owned by them.

[00:36:25] I don't know.

[00:36:27] So.

[00:36:28] What's her face?

[00:36:30] She just she does another trope that I can't stand is like randomly falling and shit.

[00:36:35] Or a lot.

[00:36:38] Where she in some swimming pool or something.

[00:36:40] Did the ghost push her?

[00:36:42] She sucked her blood.

[00:36:44] I was like what is this?

[00:36:46] Well you know that's Juliana Margulies for you.

[00:36:49] Let her tell it.

[00:36:50] Let her tell it they added that in right before she arrived.

[00:36:53] There was no swimming pool in the original script.

[00:36:56] I was not going to be falling down at all.

[00:37:00] Oh boy.

[00:37:02] Let her tell it.

[00:37:04] Her character Epps does see Katie the little girl ghost.

[00:37:09] And initially just brushes it off like huh that was interesting.

[00:37:16] I'm not going to tell anyone.

[00:37:19] I'm not going to be freaked out and just go back to my tugboat where it's safe.

[00:37:24] I'm going to continue to explore this creepy rotting ship in the middle of the ocean.

[00:37:30] Wonderful.

[00:37:31] And take us all for a ride at the same time.

[00:37:34] Yes.

[00:37:35] The swimming pool does weird things.

[00:37:37] First off it's full of bullet holes.

[00:37:40] And when Epps falls into it she like hits her head and is bleeding.

[00:37:46] But that's never addressed again.

[00:37:48] But the swimming pool sucks the puddle of blood into one of the bullet holes.

[00:37:54] But then it starts weeping blood out of all the bullet holes.

[00:38:00] I don't.

[00:38:00] It was.

[00:38:02] It's that evil dad shit.

[00:38:03] You know what I'm talking about?

[00:38:04] When a little bit of blood gets into something and it seeps in.

[00:38:07] I'm like that's how I rationalize it.

[00:38:09] That makes sense in my mind because I've seen other things.

[00:38:12] Yeah.

[00:38:12] Was it explained?

[00:38:13] No.

[00:38:14] Did it need to be explained?

[00:38:15] Like not necessarily.

[00:38:17] But but why?

[00:38:19] Why specifically the pool?

[00:38:22] Yes.

[00:38:23] And.

[00:38:24] I was fully expecting the crew to turn around after they found Epps and the pool be completely filled with blood.

[00:38:32] And that's how they know like shit's wrong.

[00:38:35] Right.

[00:38:35] They didn't look at all.

[00:38:36] Well and we didn't get that.

[00:38:38] We didn't get a payout.

[00:38:39] Where is my pool full of blood?

[00:38:41] Like I want to see it.

[00:38:44] Well they didn't have any money to do that.

[00:38:46] It had a 20 million dollar budget.

[00:38:48] That's true.

[00:38:49] So I'm pretty sure they were like this is an effect.

[00:38:52] We're going to use some digital fake blood.

[00:38:55] And and that's all we can do with this one scene.

[00:38:58] We get drips.

[00:38:59] Right.

[00:39:03] So after this scene is when they find the gold bars and that's when they're like holy shit we hit the mother load.

[00:39:11] And now we really can't call the coast guard or anyone because we have to tow it in ourselves so that we can keep all all the gold.

[00:39:24] Is the plan.

[00:39:25] Hey I'm all for I'm all for discovery and the thievery of it all.

[00:39:30] Like I get that.

[00:39:32] Was that possible?

[00:39:35] Yeah you're just first off you have a tugboat which I know tugboats tow large ships but it's usually the ships are running some kind of engine.

[00:39:45] Right.

[00:39:46] And they found out that the engine wasn't working.

[00:39:49] Yeah.

[00:39:50] And one of the people I don't even know what his name was responsible for making it work.

[00:39:56] So what's the cat the captain he was just barking orders at everybody and he was definitely Tim Gunn in that shit talk about make it work even though they didn't have any of the resources or tools to do so.

[00:40:12] Yeah.

[00:40:12] We do learn that what is his name?

[00:40:16] Greer Isaiah Washington's character is going to be getting married.

[00:40:23] Greer Isaiah Washington's character is going to be getting married and there are some digs at him in certain parts where it's like are you really going to get married or stuff like that.

[00:40:33] And at first I was like damn why are they getting on him like that?

[00:40:35] But then when he started hallucinating and having a fake sexual relationship with a dead person I was like oh this.

[00:40:42] I get it.

[00:40:44] This dude ain't loyal.

[00:40:46] mm-hmm all right that was a really crazy looking lady in the picture i don't know why they

[00:40:54] am i did you notice the lady in the picture that was putting his fiance because i was like

[00:40:59] she doesn't look like they look like they took some woman put like a hilarious wig on her

[00:41:04] like like they couldn't just find a normal just normal picture no it's like some fake

[00:41:10] model like picture in a really old-timey dress it did not i was so confused it was like

[00:41:17] very much like buzz your girlfriend wolf like yes it was like i think they're trying to make a point

[00:41:26] here by having this woman as the picture but they don't address that maybe they didn't believe he

[00:41:31] was gonna marry her because of the lady in the picture there gots to be a deleted scene

[00:41:37] like what are you talking about i'm genuinely like what why why isn't this just like some random and

[00:41:43] you know how they'd like to do with these movies why is it is some random by random biracial lady

[00:41:47] with some spirally air like what what are y'all trying to do you know how these so like why is

[00:41:55] what is what is this uh that was my thought the whole movie with so many things and at one point

[00:42:04] i just said i just gotta get through it now i want to go and see if there are any deleted scenes like

[00:42:10] on youtube or anything because now i'm interested is it gonna confuse me more is it gonna fill in the

[00:42:17] gaps it won't answer a damn question i have the dvd and i remember there are deleted scenes i don't

[00:42:24] remember what they were exactly but there were some like this was like this movie came out at the height

[00:42:30] of like dvd right so basically it got a special treatment that it would probably have never gotten

[00:42:37] any other time right and so like yeah they go into depth they actually show how they did all this

[00:42:43] prosthetic work for that opening scene which is really exciting but i'm recall that there were some

[00:42:49] deleted scenes that did not make the clearly they were cut because they didn't serve a purpose this is one of

[00:42:57] those films but this is one of those movies where it's like they filmed 500 million hours of like

[00:43:05] footage of like varying different things and then they figured out what works that they should put

[00:43:09] together and so there is something about this movie that just doesn't make sense yeah the whole because

[00:43:16] they weren't they weren't necessarily trying to they were just like you know we're gonna throw a bunch

[00:43:23] of stuff at the wall and see what sticks yeah and we're gonna just have this movie be as exciting as it

[00:43:29] can be with what we have you know i mean we are working with juliana margley's here

[00:43:37] this is very fair yeah yeah now people start dying the tug tug boat explodes kills santos that is now haunting

[00:43:45] the captain murphy because he feels guilt over santos dying as he should greer tries to fuck a dead woman we see her

[00:43:56] and as he's going to like put his dick in her she disappears and he just falls i'm just glad it wasn't

[00:44:06] boned because sir you even said it you even said well it's not really cheating on my wife because she did

[00:44:13] like bitch what are we doing right now and while that does make sense logically i guess

[00:44:23] that says a lot about you as a person yes it's it's it's better that she did

[00:44:31] you feel good about the fact that you're sleeping with a dead woman

[00:44:37] you would you would feel worse if she was alive yeah like who makes this shit up like i don't want a

[00:44:50] man bash but come on sir why somebody has somebody has to do something dumb for the movie to work

[00:44:59] the the problem is would it be the black guy

[00:45:03] hey i don't know i feel like the black like because here's the thing once the tugboat explodes

[00:45:08] now we got to be on this creepy ship that we actually have to sit on it and be on it which i mean

[00:45:13] hey they had to get they had to do something to get all of these people to have to like stay contained

[00:45:20] on this shit yeah the horrific things could happen most people would probably just you know

[00:45:28] drown they would not go on that ship after multiple people have already witnessed horrific things

[00:45:33] right then there's this black guy character who sees a ghost who shows her titties and he is like yes

[00:45:47] yes yes i will i i just they're all hallucinating i guess she is because what's her face is seeing the

[00:45:58] little girl and she's going through a history museum i don't fucking know what's going on there

[00:46:02] and then what molder and scully i don't know the dudes are going to town on these cans of beans i don't

[00:46:13] fucking know what that is and i'm just my thought process was that shit is way expired and the way

[00:46:23] they're just like these are really good beans i'm like what the hell they were starving that much before

[00:46:32] or like without the horrific things happening they were starving that much that they needed to eat

[00:46:38] cans of beans like that they was really struggling they should have not been on the they shouldn't

[00:46:43] have been on the sea yeah in the first but why would that's something that could have been explained a

[00:46:48] little bit more in theory though right because it's like i understand if y'all are desperate y'all want

[00:46:54] to get this money but like why why are they willing to because it was a very it was a very scooby-doo like

[00:47:02] shaggy scene too like they were sitting there and they were just eating like the beans and like they're

[00:47:08] just surrounded by all these cans and if you can't tell me it wasn't inspired by scooby-doo like this

[00:47:14] like this movie was a series of vignettes with like all these characters just doing their own thing

[00:47:20] which i guess is very similar because like if you watch if you remember that this is ghost house

[00:47:25] pictures and like the whole joel silver roberts of mecca's thing before that they were doing things

[00:47:30] like demon knight and that movie had a very similar energy of people are all over the place doing their

[00:47:36] own thing and having their own hallucinations and experiences yeah people are getting served arms on

[00:47:41] their like on platters people are getting drinks and this is all to like bring them closer to the

[00:47:46] darkness that made sense because they explained that this not so much this is like demon knight

[00:47:55] without the demons or the backstory yes oh that's the other thing like even with steve beck when you

[00:48:03] think about 13 ghosts one of the things we talked about was that 13 ghosts meticulously they took

[00:48:10] meticulous time to craft backstories for every ghost but never paid it off essentially in the movie

[00:48:18] which was tragic like so much work any questions you had about 13 ghosts you could find an answer because

[00:48:25] they wrote it they made everything while we get this shit and it's like oh we don't know we don't know

[00:48:33] and when you talk about scooby-doo i'm glad you brought it up because originally they wanted

[00:48:38] to film on a real ship but they realized it was going to be far too limiting like they wouldn't be able to

[00:48:45] to have their the materials and everything they needed yeah right so instead they actually used

[00:48:53] visual effects it was an australian visual effects company called photo photon v fx who previously

[00:49:01] worked on the 2002 film scooby-doo so you never know he could have said by the way when i was on scooby-doo

[00:49:17] i'm sure there's things like that and you know that's what makes movies kind of interesting and fun because

[00:49:22] like the little these kind of movies are fun when you know more about what it takes to make it

[00:49:29] because you realize that like besides juliana margulise everybody probably had a good time

[00:49:35] making this movie because everybody knew what they was making except for juliana margulise

[00:49:39] and um i think for me well first off it's funny because like i knew it was like you could tell

[00:49:48] they're not filming on a real ship but not because like it the ship is so big and vast when you go on

[00:49:54] it it's this little tiny like i was like you could tell it's like these little small

[00:50:00] sets that they're filming on and they're not it doesn't it didn't even look like the ship at the

[00:50:06] beginning of the movie which by the way the ship at the beginning of the movie looks like a cruise

[00:50:12] ship at like a regular like carnival cruise ship where they're on the top just dancing that's it i was

[00:50:18] like it didn't it wasn't giving top-notch luxury line yeah it was given it was very much giving

[00:50:25] carnival cruise with some suit so maybe like that's part of what it is too maybe you were assuming that

[00:50:31] it was gonna be titanic yes really this was this really was budget the budget titanic right

[00:50:41] i don't know this movie is uh not it's also just it's not scary no and part of it is because we never

[00:50:51] feel the fear or urgency from the characters they're just all very just like okay i guess we're eating

[00:51:00] beans now like there's no sense of like i'm gonna find a lifeboat and get the fuck off this ship

[00:51:07] and carry but a couple of gold bars with me like there's none of what jackie would be thinking

[00:51:13] about if she was stuck on a scary ass ship like nothing well like name a horror movie where

[00:51:20] characters are just sitting there at some point chilling because that's what's happening

[00:51:24] when they're eating the beans when you take like yes there's this funny moment of them eating the

[00:51:29] beans and then this horrific thing happens where maggots or something like that but

[00:51:34] who why why would we have a scene where we essentially bring the energy and the tension

[00:51:40] down by having these characters just sitting here eating something it's like it's dumb

[00:51:49] because the beans are rotten right it has nothing to do with it being no damn ghost shit

[00:51:55] no or no people being missing a day it's the fact that you're eating beans from 1962 and why were

[00:52:02] the rats still alive what what could they where they come from how they did they just have rats and

[00:52:09] they just kept producing reproducing since 1962 where the rest came from but i love the fact that like

[00:52:15] something is moving i say it's probably some rats i just knew it was right it's that kind of movie

[00:52:22] rats are gonna come up i had that same question like that this is an abandoned ship that wasn't the

[00:52:29] first thing they thought of like if this isn't a ship that's been abandoned since 1962 why are there

[00:52:36] alive and well rats in this case like right and why are there cans of beans that we decide we want to

[00:52:43] try to eat yeah like were they all hallucinating so i'm guessing that's what it like okay yes i

[00:52:50] understand you're hallucinating but i would hallucinate a feast and be like oh there's a feast and not

[00:52:56] question it and then eat it and then it's worms but not fucking beans i will just like what you eat

[00:53:04] you would never eat in the worst case scenario you probably wouldn't eat those beans just because

[00:53:09] they're they're they're old it like you're gonna imagine like the lost boys feast and hook right

[00:53:18] like you're not gonna imagine beans rusty old cans of canned goods from 1962 no you'd be scared you're

[00:53:27] gonna get lead poisoning yeah but so i don't know they're eating beans they find gold captain's still upset

[00:53:36] he fucking the dead girl it's just and eps is making friends with the girl ghost the little girl ghost

[00:53:45] and then pulls a locket off a dead body and decides to wear it because that's like a choice i thought at

[00:53:53] some point they were gonna say that the reason she was brought to this boat is because they're her

[00:53:59] ancestors or some shit because like i don't understand what is the connection here

[00:54:06] is it because she's the only woman she's got to be the mother figure to the little girl like yes

[00:54:11] yes that's exactly what it is it is that ripley neutro from aliens this is basically aliens

[00:54:20] in so many ways like like you got the you got the vast kids brown face character and you got a

[00:54:26] mother-daughter bond that has no real place in the movie at all but she has to connect to her somebody

[00:54:33] has to connect to her and i think that's the thing too like anytime you watch a film this i hate this

[00:54:38] in horror films whenever it's a crew of people and they only have one woman and that woman ends up

[00:54:48] being the viewer's eyes which is great right but then it's like she wouldn't want to be there like

[00:54:56] she wouldn't feel safe in this situation with all of these men like there's something like

[00:55:01] we're meant like like the woman is a vulnerable character but then at the same time they never

[00:55:05] actually make her vulnerable they never show it that's why i appreciate something like

[00:55:09] the silence of the lamps because even when they don't say it it's been like implied yeah that

[00:55:17] clarice is experiencing a very male-dominated world as a woman and how is that affecting her work

[00:55:24] right what she wants to prove and that is what is her motivation this is just like let's just have

[00:55:30] one woman because because because we can't i don't like yeah where is the where where are the women

[00:55:38] in this movie yeah why why wouldn't there be two at least yeah a hundred percent agree that

[00:55:46] they and then they over like masculine mask i don't know what the word masculine make her extra

[00:55:52] masculine jesus yeah to kind of like in the beginning they soften her up a little bit when

[00:55:58] the child comes and then again in that environment she's hinted at being in some sort of relationship

[00:56:06] with the guy dodge dodge which again unnecessary didn't need it didn't add to the plot didn't care for

[00:56:16] don't don't care and out of all the men they just wanted you to know they just wanted you to know

[00:56:21] that they had lives which didn't they clearly didn't care about their lives because they weren't

[00:56:27] running trying to get back to them right and dodge is played by raw that's his name dodge yes and dodge

[00:56:35] is played by ron eldard so him and juliana margulies are were a couple in real life they also played

[00:56:43] a couple on er so they dated from 91 to 2003 so now i'm going to put ron's name in the in the book

[00:56:50] because i truly believe that if you're trash and the person you're dating has to be trashed it's a plus

[00:56:59] b equals c well that brings up some very interesting questions doesn't it like first off well did ron know

[00:57:05] juliana what y'all was doing yeah like yeah did he not tell you like was y'all both surprised and is this

[00:57:13] movie why y'all broke up because he was having the time of his life and she was like fuck this shit

[00:57:20] and he was like calm down you already got a good job on er yeah right he's like nobody knows who i am

[00:57:26] they go one day they're gonna be talking about this movie on a podcast and they're gonna know who

[00:57:31] you are and i'm gonna be the afterthought so let me enjoy this moment and i think for me like ghost

[00:57:37] ship i i love i do like movies with these kind of casts i do think they're fun there's something kind

[00:57:45] of exciting about seeing juliana margulies not on a tv show it's something kind of cool about seeing

[00:57:53] this group of people that never should do a movie together ever again and never will never thought

[00:58:00] they would like put together i do like that if something very like a motley crew of people

[00:58:05] as a cast the problem is these movies do these motley crew casts and then they try to make this

[00:58:11] motley crew make sense within the context of this movie and it doesn't there is no reason why juliana

[00:58:16] margulies is on a ship with these people yeah this i wish she died in the movie

[00:58:25] yes i was i was rooting for it yeah that would have really brought it home for me it would have been

[00:58:34] so good if juliana margulies died you know it would have it would have really gave us something we

[00:58:39] couldn't have expected you know this would have gone higher in my book and i i i honestly can't even

[00:58:47] tell you how all these people die i really i i when i tell you my my soul left my body at one point

[00:58:55] in this movie trying to get through it i don't know how they all died i just know at some point

[00:59:01] i was at the end of the movie and it looked like everyone else was dead except for

[00:59:08] god dodge and apps and fairman who we find out is a spirit taker well soul snatcher so

[00:59:17] the ghost captain goes to murphy the captain of the tugboat and is like something about there was

[00:59:26] another ship called the lorelei and there was only and he was like there's no survivors and

[00:59:31] the ghost captain's like there's one survivor and then somehow murphy ends up in a tank with a picture

[00:59:40] of fairman from the lorelei i'm like how did how did we get here

[00:59:52] like i'd have done killed my boo gabriel damn damn damn but does he ever live in anything he lived

[01:00:00] and did he die of stigmata i don't remember he lived in little woman i know that

[01:00:07] he lived in little one so

[01:00:12] the end of the movie goes very rapidly because we get the flashback of like the whole scenario of that

[01:00:21] night when everyone was sliced in half and essentially it was this group of guys that went

[01:00:28] through and killed everyone with guns and wires and rat poison and then they go and they get all the gold

[01:00:35] bars and then singer lady pops out and she's like oh very good and she has like her main henchman kill

[01:00:42] all of the rest of the gang and then quinn walks in and is like ah awesome job makes out with her for a few

[01:00:55] minutes and they're like hooks hooks her in the face and kills her too i'm like how many how many levels

[01:01:02] do we need to go through to find out that ferriman is the killer like why does he live so long he's

[01:01:10] supernatural so this is the part i did understand and it still doesn't make any goddamn sense so

[01:01:18] essentially he says here let me find my notes because i wrote down exactly what he said

[01:01:25] he said he's a salvager just like you he collects souls after a life of sin this is the job he was

[01:01:34] assigned and then he's like i have to collect so many souls but like we don't find out what happens

[01:01:41] when he collects all those souls like is his debt repaid and he gets to like apparate to heaven where

[01:01:47] are these souls going they just get held in the ship how many souls does he have to collect i have

[01:01:55] so many questions instead of answers and it's the end of the movie gotta catch them all pokemon

[01:02:04] i i don't have any questions i want i want to never remember any of this so you won't remember no

[01:02:15] this you'll remember the opening scene in the little girl and that you made julian margulies

[01:02:19] and you probably gonna be like i don't think it was that bad that's this kind of movie you'll never say

[01:02:25] this movie is bad you know why because the way you're supposed to watch it is by turning it on

[01:02:31] being like oh look ritzy dazzley like i love a movie that uses an old school logo yeah i did love

[01:02:39] the pink look like oh okay i'm here for this sins a fine all of that and then they die and that's when

[01:02:48] the movie's over like you don't have to turn it off you're just supposed to doing other things in your

[01:02:52] house like just you know fold some clothes go get a snack use the bathroom don't pause it yeah come back

[01:03:00] be like oh look titties and then like leave again be like look at that little girl she creepy and then

[01:03:05] you know that's it like that's this is the perfect example of a movie that is not good because nothing

[01:03:16] stands out like it yes it's not it's bad because you can't say it's bad really that's the thing like

[01:03:23] it you you don't even hate it you're you just know that you're not supposed to be paying attention to

[01:03:29] it like yeah you realize it's like damn am i supposed to only give this movie half my brain because

[01:03:34] it seemed like everybody who was involved did that i feel like it would make more sense if you

[01:03:39] were only half paying attention like if i'm just sitting on the couch doing my my strands and my

[01:03:44] connections and just like half listening to it i'm like okay yeah that makes sense like collecting souls

[01:03:51] cool i like that band and then like movies over and i was like okay everyone got sliced and diced at

[01:03:58] the beginning that was cool and i move on with my life yeah i have a totally guys guys i was half

[01:04:06] watching and i still hate it i will remember that i hate it i will not forget any like this was bad

[01:04:19] i promise you you will forget i'm telling you i'm telling you thinking about it because you got to do

[01:04:24] a podcast and you talking about it and everything you were you sat down to watch i'm telling you

[01:04:28] you're going to forget you ever even saw this movie well from your mouth to god

[01:04:35] you're going you may watch it again and be like i i don't think i've seen it like i don't

[01:04:40] remember i remember the beginning that was kind of cool yeah like you're gonna so what you're

[01:04:45] telling me is this is the equivalent like of groundhog's day yes it's just gonna

[01:04:50] spot me forever that is a scary movie then no that's exactly what this movie it will always

[01:04:57] come back to you because i i know so many people i've mentioned this movie to them like just in

[01:05:03] passing or whatever and they'll say something like yeah i really like it i like that movie

[01:05:08] and i think a lot of people have fond memories of this movie because to them that opening scene

[01:05:14] really is the movie yeah and they forgot everything else and they never they didn't fully pay attention

[01:05:19] to it so i don't think that's the thing about ghost ship i don't think it has haters i think i think

[01:05:24] most movies have haters something like ghost ship it does not have haters it has from what i remember it was

[01:05:31] cool

[01:05:33] like it just kind of floats like a little ghost ship in your mind and it's kind of there and you're kind

[01:05:40] of like oh yeah slicing people up and then it just floats away because you can't because you can't

[01:05:47] hate that opening scene that's the thing everybody everyone loves that everybody loves it they appreciate

[01:05:53] it they appreciate the craftsmanship of it but like just the film as a whole i don't remember any of it

[01:05:59] yeah at all i don't even remember what i saw and i just flashed it if ghost ship has zero haters i am dead

[01:06:06] that's all i had to say i do remember the end i remember some of the end i i know like she finds

[01:06:14] out that what's his face is uh evil and she's trying to tell dodger like keep an eye on him she gives him

[01:06:23] the gun because she has decided she's got to blow the fucking ship up because it can't have any more souls

[01:06:30] and it then we learned that what's his face his soul can jump into or he can jump into other people's

[01:06:38] bodies because now he's in dodger yeah or or dodge or whatever hell his name is yeah and i'm like wait

[01:06:46] what so now we're like two seconds left in the game we're trying to throw touchdowns this is a this is a

[01:06:55] visual movie this is a movie you're supposed to look at you ain't supposed to really take it in

[01:07:03] and then i was very confused because she ends up throwing the like little charge thing like in the

[01:07:14] water like it hits the water and blows up the ship but i'm like is that how that works i thought you

[01:07:19] had to like hit a button i don't understand how like that made an explosion i was very confused even

[01:07:27] about blowing up the ship which should have been it was the water pressure it was the water pressure

[01:07:37] and then the button hit face down and so the water is very powerful and then she's flowing on a door like

[01:07:45] rose well not a door but she's floating on something like rose in the titanic well the little girl

[01:07:51] shows her the way out because she is fully come to like the resolution that like if she dies blowing up

[01:07:59] the ship good whatever i don't care but then the little girl underwater as a thank you for releasing her

[01:08:06] soul like shows her guides her to the surface and then she's floating on a crate full of gold

[01:08:14] question mark because wouldn't it have sunk i don't know but but i don't know much

[01:08:21] i don't know much but i feel like gold's pretty heavy i i would come to the same conclusion so then a

[01:08:31] cruise ship sees her picks her up takes her back to port they she all fucked up in the face because

[01:08:39] she got sunburned and shit they put her in the back of an ambulance and as she's laying there she sees

[01:08:46] all of the bellboys from the ship carrying gold onto this new ship yeah and then she gets up

[01:08:58] yeah and i love that they close the doors on her as she's screaming like no one asked like you okay you

[01:09:06] in pain like what the fuck oh and we did miss that as the ghost ship is sinking all of the little souls

[01:09:14] are floating up to heaven released from their ghost shipping nightmare

[01:09:21] and that is ghost ship crazy i've never been happier never it was you know movies like ghost ship

[01:09:34] exists to remind us why we we watch movies that are good you after this one i don't know

[01:09:45] i might have to look at what movie you pick next because i can't do it i can't do it we just need a

[01:09:52] palate cleanser i put some very good films on them but i say you know i don't i didn't remember like

[01:10:03] ghost ship as a film at all to be honest with you i think i said it because it really does it was it is

[01:10:08] one of those movies that if you go five ten fifteen years without seeing it you're not gonna remember

[01:10:15] anything from it and so that's the first thing that pops in your head is like that first scene

[01:10:20] and so then you want to revisit it and you revisit it and you realize like you have to revisit it from

[01:10:25] that same frame of mind and point of view of like how you watched it initially which is

[01:10:31] i was expecting nothing from it i think that was the thing like roger eber says something like

[01:10:37] it's better than you expect in some ways that's because you don't expect anything at all

[01:10:43] and when you expect nothing and you go in with no expectations and you get a great scene like that

[01:10:49] at the beginning because you can never expect that in a movie especially because if the movie's called

[01:10:53] ghost ship you're you're expecting like some like booze and ghosts you're not expecting no like people to

[01:10:58] get sliced and diced in the first two minutes and so because that stands out and it makes the film

[01:11:04] like just something you've never seen before yeah right you keep that in your mind and you you you just

[01:11:10] accept it for what it is on this like dumb like ride then you go back and you revisit it it's harder to like

[01:11:18] accept it because i was watching with somebody he said something like

[01:11:22] he was asking questions like what is that why would that's not realistic he was saying

[01:11:26] and he was like i didn't ask questions like this when i watched it the first time years ago

[01:11:31] he was like i i genuinely didn't ask these questions and he's like maybe it's because

[01:11:36] i'm better at watching films now and breaking them down yeah but in some ways it's also because

[01:11:43] watching this movie with the intention of being like i have to watch ghost ship

[01:11:47] it's so different than just stumbling on ghost ship or not having any other options

[01:11:53] or you know i've already seen jackass in the theater i guess we're going to go ship this week

[01:11:58] yeah basically yes i do really love the scene that you've chosen as your your background on war where

[01:12:08] she's just she's sliced in half and she's just trying to she's trying to get her hips back over to her like

[01:12:15] those little details in that scene that's what makes that scene so amazing is just everyone falls apart

[01:12:24] and then it's like a hand that's still like grabbing onto something and then the lady trying

[01:12:29] to put herself back together before she bleeds out it's just it's so brilliant and then we get crap

[01:12:37] yeah and it's so disappointing it's juliana's fault there we go we we will blame her let's see if

[01:12:46] there's any other fun facts that we missed the ghost captain captain was portrayed by a real life ship

[01:12:52] captain dougie o'halloran sounds about right he consulted on the film for authenticity did he did

[01:13:00] you dougie what'd you have but i mean they didn't they didn't really deal with ships anyway so it's kind

[01:13:06] of like yeah fine yeah yeah like tug boats pull things and like i mean that ghost the ghost ship did not

[01:13:14] rock once like you would think at least one little like oh i stumbled because it's we're on the

[01:13:21] ocean no no it was a no it was like they were filming in a studio i think

[01:13:30] you forget i mean you you actually can watch ghost ship and forget that it's a ship yeah yeah

[01:13:35] we could have been ghost hotel yeah ghost resort the set for the haunted ballroom scene took weeks to

[01:13:44] build and was considered one of the largest practical sets used in early 2000s horror films

[01:13:52] and poor little emily browning just to make sure she wasn't traumatized because like we said she was 14

[01:13:59] they made sure she was present to watch all the special effects makeup in its process especially

[01:14:04] like the severed or so's for the opening scene so that she would be cool so that's good i guess yep

[01:14:14] that was very considerate and thoughtful

[01:14:18] that's a very thoughtful or considerate at all

[01:14:21] that scene they put a lot of work into that scene

[01:14:25] like yeah and like you were saying like the details of it that's what makes it work right

[01:14:29] right so good they they didn't put details like that into the other scenes in the movie like you

[01:14:35] know what i mean it's like i feel like they knew that too they were like let's put this at the beginning

[01:14:39] and make sure that we just do as good as we can because whatever we shot with juliana ain't about to make

[01:14:45] this a hit oh that's the best thing in the movie because none of the actors is in it right

[01:14:53] this is true facts yeah damn all right on my tell everybody where they can find you on social

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[01:15:17] day ratings anwar what's your rating how we feeling yeah go ship

[01:15:27] um um i'm not gonna say that it's how would i put this i'm not gonna say you should never watch it

[01:15:37] ever i think you should definitely see that scene but i would say it's a it's a it's a two-day riddle

[01:15:42] it's it's nothing to write home about and and not just that it's nothing to write home about

[01:15:48] if you watch it there's nothing there like like it's it's it's it's it's hard to say it's trash

[01:16:02] because it's not bad enough to be trash it's not good or bad it just exists they turn some cameras on

[01:16:09] and film some stuff and that's cool i appreciate them doing that and you know they didn't spend that

[01:16:15] much money on it so it's a two-day rent to get it watch it once watch it a second time realize you

[01:16:22] didn't really like it that much return it forget about it 10 years later get it for another two-day

[01:16:27] rental very fair jackie unfortunately i did buy it only because of lack of options of viewing but

[01:16:37] if it was just the opening scene i'd watch it every day sure put it on let me let me see these people

[01:16:45] die again unfortunately it's not just the opening scene there's a bunch of gibberish after it so

[01:16:51] i will as well say a two-day rental because i will pop it in every once in a while and probably just watch

[01:16:58] the first chapter

[01:17:02] i'm gonna give it a two-day hear me out listening will i watch this movie again god i hope not

[01:17:12] is it as bad as killjoy it is not two-day rental fair that's it but the thing is

[01:17:25] you remember killjoy it's true i mean you keep you can you keep comparing things to killjoy which

[01:17:33] means you remember killjoy what do you remember about ghost ship you just saw it what do you remember

[01:17:40] exactly gold can float you can quote lines from killjoy

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[01:18:12] one i said that almost every episode but i the faculty is my jam anywho anwar it was a pleasure

[01:18:21] as always you are welcome back anytime danielle may pick the movie next time though no i will look your

[01:18:29] picks are wide vast and unhinged and that is what this podcast is so i just have to prepare myself

[01:18:36] to be educated on these movies yeah and if we go if we if we do something very strange next time

[01:18:46] it can at least be in a different genre you know what i mean let's let's let's see how unhinged i am

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