Brown Sugar

[00:00:00] I think what's interesting about the movie is that they're saying they're in love with

[00:00:04] hip-hop as they're narrating and stuff like that but truly you can't even separate

[00:00:09] hip-hop and themselves.

[00:00:11] You know, their love story is born this week we are talking about the 2002 comedy Brown

[00:00:17] Sugar.

[00:00:19] Welcome to the No More Late Fees podcast.

[00:00:30] I'm Jackie and I'm Danielle and we're just two best friends in Xboxbuster employees

[00:00:35] rewatching some of the best and more movies from the late 90s and early 2000s.

[00:00:40] This week we are talking about the 2002 comedy Brown Sugar but before we dive in let's

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[00:01:38] Well let's get into Brown Sugar.

[00:01:41] We've got childhood friends Andra and Cindy bound by their love for hip hop as they navigate

[00:01:46] success, love and broken dreams in the music industry.

[00:01:50] The movie stars Tay Diggs, Sanalathan, Yasin Bay formerly known as most deaf, Queen Latifa,

[00:01:57] Nicole Ari Parker and Boris Kojo directed by Rick Famawewa and also written by Rick Famawewa

[00:02:07] and Michael Elliott.

[00:02:08] You can watch it currently on stars, but before we start let's get to our ratings rewind.

[00:02:14] So you know the drill before we get into the movie we'll reveal the rating are Y2K versions

[00:02:19] of ourselves would give.

[00:02:21] Then at the end we'll see if our current selves agree with our initial rating.

[00:02:24] Our scale consists of would buy it, would buy it again.

[00:02:27] The best would play on repeat.

[00:02:30] Five day rental.

[00:02:31] Would watch again.

[00:02:32] Two day rental.

[00:02:34] And okay, but nothing right home about.

[00:02:37] In same day rental straight up trash garbage.

[00:02:41] The Dalmatians.

[00:02:42] Danielle what is your Y2K rating would buy it because I own it.

[00:02:49] I have never seen this movie.

[00:02:51] Okay well that's one of the goals of this podcast is to get you through these black movies

[00:02:58] that you haven't seen that are.

[00:03:00] I thought it was doing great classics.

[00:03:03] I thought it was doing pretty good in that genre, but apparently not look the funniest

[00:03:10] thing is probably that you've seen more hood rat classics than I have.

[00:03:15] So it should be interesting to see when we start going into some of those.

[00:03:19] I do vividly remember you making me watch don't be a minister self central while drinking

[00:03:25] juice and hilarious.

[00:03:26] That's why so we got to start somewhere.

[00:03:29] I've also seen who which I feel like is a deep dive.

[00:03:32] So yeah, but apparently that was me making you go to see that and I don't even know why

[00:03:38] I saw her outfits and I was like yes I would like to see that movie.

[00:03:42] It's going to be great and it's J to pick it so like I didn't think I could go wrong

[00:03:47] we can because because I love low down dirty shame so much I was like yeah.

[00:03:52] I have seen set off does that does I count.

[00:03:56] We're not putting up we're not putting your status of how many black movies you see

[00:04:02] into question.

[00:04:04] Don't worry.

[00:04:06] Plus at the end of the day all of my black friends judge me because I'm your best friend

[00:04:11] and I didn't teach you.

[00:04:13] Okay, so it's your fault.

[00:04:15] I like that.

[00:04:16] Yes, that that's great.

[00:04:18] Don't be under the bus.

[00:04:19] You should just said no, it's not your fault Danielle.

[00:04:23] It's not my responsibility to make me watch all the black movies that came out in the

[00:04:27] 90s and took thousands.

[00:04:29] But you really are.

[00:04:30] I worked at Blockbuster and I had access to all of them so I could have brought in my

[00:04:37] horizons.

[00:04:38] Well, I'm hoping that you like this one because I feel like this is a fun one.

[00:04:44] Again, we're back into that time period where we just had really great black Renaissance

[00:04:50] romance movies.

[00:04:53] The box office for this movie we had an eight million dollar budget for brown sugar and

[00:04:58] it made over twenty million dollars worldwide which is pretty damn good considering.

[00:05:05] And this movie was on the heels of after the director Rick directed the wood which we're

[00:05:10] going to do later this year, which is fun.

[00:05:13] And Lil, Lil Raj at the Chicago Sun Times he gave brown sugar three out of four stars and

[00:05:22] said it was more like a slice of black professional life than a rap comedy.

[00:05:27] Interesting.

[00:05:28] I'm going to dig into that in a second.

[00:05:31] A film thoughtful about its characters who he said were as deep and complex as those

[00:05:36] interior McMillan novels.

[00:05:39] Now I thought it was interesting that he was saying that it was like a slice of black

[00:05:44] professional life than a rap comedy.

[00:05:47] I'm not quite sure if he's just talking about rap comedies from the past maybe I don't

[00:05:53] know, but it's not unusual because hip hop is like the foundation of so many black people's

[00:06:01] lives especially doing that pivotal time period where a lot of people watched hip hop actually

[00:06:09] become this thing.

[00:06:11] You know, it's one of the younger music forms and yeah, especially if you grew up in New

[00:06:18] York and every burrow you are seeing some of and we'll talk about that when we get into

[00:06:24] the first scene but yeah Lil Raj I think you were trying to give a compliment but it was

[00:06:29] also weird so I'm going to just leave it at that.

[00:06:33] I take Umbridge with the fact that he called her a comedy.

[00:06:36] I don't find this to be a comedy.

[00:06:39] It's more like a dramedy.

[00:06:40] I think again we have those, I mean I laugh a lot in this movie.

[00:06:46] I would consider it a romcom less on the calm per se.

[00:06:51] I would say it's a romcom in the sense that like a lot of the romcoms in the black genre

[00:07:00] are a little bit more like when it goes into the area just way more comedy than romance,

[00:07:08] I guess you could say or it's like a sex comedy per se.

[00:07:12] I think two can play that game was a traditional romcom.

[00:07:16] This one is a little bit mixed but it's also not like love and basketball where there's

[00:07:22] no comedy but it still gets labeled under romcom sometimes I think.

[00:07:27] I don't know.

[00:07:30] I found this to be like in line with the notebook.

[00:07:37] No Jackie that's Mellow Java.

[00:07:40] Oh, this was melodramatic.

[00:07:42] The only comedy I found were in the Dalmatian duo and stuff like that.

[00:07:47] There was very little comedy between the main characters.

[00:07:53] I thought that they laughed a lot and joke with each other.

[00:07:57] They had most of the conversations between Sydney and Ashnau.

[00:08:03] I just want to calm take it.

[00:08:05] Between Dre and Sydney were light.

[00:08:11] They would have moments of seriousness obviously but even when they were serious, Dre would

[00:08:16] probably throw a joke in there.

[00:08:18] Sydney's probably a little bit more serious than he is.

[00:08:21] Yeah, I definitely found the levity in this.

[00:08:25] To me it's not the same level as like the book.

[00:08:32] I didn't laugh once in the notebook.

[00:08:37] And then you have their best friends.

[00:08:41] But when Harry Met Sally is a century, a newer black or version that's how they pitched

[00:08:51] it, had the director pitched it because in when Harry Met Sally they call that a romcom.

[00:08:59] I've only seen when Harry Met Sally ones.

[00:09:04] And same with you got male.

[00:09:06] There's not a lot of heavy things but there's not a lot of laughing a lot during that one.

[00:09:14] I don't know.

[00:09:15] I just don't think it's the notebook.

[00:09:19] Nobody's dying.

[00:09:21] It felt very dramatic to me.

[00:09:24] Interesting.

[00:09:25] Okay.

[00:09:26] To each its own.

[00:09:28] Let's talk about the cast.

[00:09:30] So this is now by the time this movie comes out, this is the third pairing of Sonan Leithen.

[00:09:38] And so first being the best man, second the wood and now this movie.

[00:09:46] And the wood, well I'm not even getting to it because we'll do that movie.

[00:09:51] But you could see in their chemistry how at ease they are with each other.

[00:09:56] By the time they get to this movie, probably because they've done three movies with each

[00:10:00] other.

[00:10:01] And I just think it's interesting because I had no idea that Lorenz Tate was approached

[00:10:05] to play Dre and he turned it down.

[00:10:08] And just like wondering what that would have looked like.

[00:10:15] I love me some Lorenz Tate.

[00:10:19] I don't know.

[00:10:20] I don't know what that would have been.

[00:10:22] No, it would have been a different.

[00:10:24] I would, I feel like the vibes would have been totally different.

[00:10:28] So I don't know.

[00:10:31] Can you hear, Riddle?

[00:10:33] No.

[00:10:34] Okay.

[00:10:35] It took me until we have done a couple of movies with Nicole Ari Parker at this point and it

[00:10:40] took me till this movie to realize that she plays Lisa Todd Wexley in the new sex in

[00:10:46] the city series.

[00:10:48] And I didn't make that correlation until this movie for some reason.

[00:10:52] Oh, okay.

[00:10:53] I'm like, I know what I've seen those eyes before.

[00:10:57] Yeah, yeah, she's been trying to think, well, obviously 200 cigarettes but yeah, I can't

[00:11:03] think of another movie we've done that she's been in so far.

[00:11:07] The funny thing is that she ends up being in the new, so we had the best man.

[00:11:12] We had the best man holiday a few years after and then last year or the year before, I

[00:11:17] think it was 2022.

[00:11:19] The best man, final chapters which was a TV show that ended up being on P.Ca came out

[00:11:25] and she was in that TV show and they kind of make like a joke that Tay Diggs is character

[00:11:31] in the best man.

[00:11:32] They're like, oh, did you sleep with her too?

[00:11:35] And I was like, that's really funny because obviously they're making a joke because he

[00:11:40] slept with Mia in the best man but also because of this movie potentially because she played

[00:11:47] his wife, so I thought that was funny.

[00:11:49] And then her husband's in this one too, or Scojo who is a beautiful man.

[00:11:56] Oh gosh.

[00:11:57] Like he walked on screen and I was like, I didn't like how can someone get prettier than

[00:12:05] Tay Diggs and somehow would happen?

[00:12:10] It's possible.

[00:12:11] Yeah.

[00:12:12] I, you know what?

[00:12:14] Now that I've seen this rewatched this movie, I realized I prefer a bald Tay Diggs than

[00:12:20] this.

[00:12:21] I think this one was like okay but I think it's even worse when we see him, when we had

[00:12:28] him in Wenzell like a hug group back.

[00:12:31] It's like the hairline keeps moving.

[00:12:35] Some of them have Tay Diggs movies.

[00:12:38] Yeah, he was the egg guy during this time.

[00:12:41] And we have quite a few scheduled for this year.

[00:12:44] You know, we have the wood and then we have rent.

[00:12:48] I can't wait for Malibu's most wanted because he's on.

[00:12:53] Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:12:54] I don't want to watch that movie.

[00:12:56] I don't either but I also, because Regina Hall is in it and I love her.

[00:13:02] I know.

[00:13:03] I love her so much.

[00:13:06] Oh man.

[00:13:08] So we almost got Lawrence Tate and then Sinada Lathan almost turned it down because during

[00:13:15] that summer, she was set to perform at New York Shakespeare in the park and it was a dream

[00:13:21] of hers to do that so she wasn't sure that she would want to do brown sugar.

[00:13:26] And she didn't think the script was strong enough.

[00:13:27] So I think after maybe a few tweaks, they finally convinced her.

[00:13:33] So that's good.

[00:13:35] I'm glad she, I think they fit well.

[00:13:37] They have really good chemistry.

[00:13:39] Yeah, I think so too.

[00:13:40] I think she was perfect for this character.

[00:13:45] Yeah.

[00:13:46] Yeah.

[00:13:47] She and I think she had really good chemistry with Queen Latifa too.

[00:13:54] I love that Queen Latifa.

[00:13:56] I mean, she didn't have to play, you know, this aside character essentially but she seemed

[00:14:04] like she was having fun and I think it was kind of like a really cool wink at the fact

[00:14:09] that we have so many pioneers of hip hop in this movie and she's in it but she's not

[00:14:13] playing herself.

[00:14:14] So it's just, it's pretty interesting.

[00:14:18] But I also feel like when we're talking about the pioneers of hip hop, we really didn't

[00:14:24] see any female MCs in this movie in the beginning as like Queen Latifa's in it.

[00:14:33] Like I said, but not really.

[00:14:36] And then I mean Angie Martinez, she wraps, but like if I was to give like the pioneers

[00:14:43] of hip hop, I wouldn't think of her.

[00:14:45] So I feel like that was a miss.

[00:14:48] It would have been cool to see like salt and pepper or your make light.

[00:14:53] And see light and never die.

[00:14:57] I just have to sit with the mistakes that I've made in the past.

[00:15:02] So let's oh, and just a side note, Queen Latifa being as funny as she was in this movie

[00:15:08] impressed Elliott, the one of the writers, Malcolm Elliott, I believe.

[00:15:13] And that's what got him to write her part for just right which came out in 2010 and

[00:15:18] start her and common who also makes a cameo in this movie.

[00:15:22] So I love that for her.

[00:15:24] Yeah, and I do want to know because you do see it in the movie Brown Sugar was one of

[00:15:30] the first films to shoot on location in New York City after 9-11.

[00:15:34] This movie came out in 2002.

[00:15:37] And Nathan solemnly recalls filming in the in the months following 9-11.

[00:15:42] I remember we were probably one of two productions in the city.

[00:15:45] You could still smell the ash she had told essence magazine.

[00:15:49] So there is like establishing shot with the two beams of light where the twin towers

[00:15:55] used to me.

[00:15:56] So just it must have been really hard shooting and knowing that it was kind of moving

[00:16:01] through in a new kind of New York City, Sits Guy, Skate.

[00:16:07] Skate.

[00:16:08] Well, I'm glad you brought that up because you know one of the biggest characters of the

[00:16:14] movie is this the setting of New York City.

[00:16:19] And yes, at the time like I remember the may of the trying to they had all sorts of so

[00:16:26] many people were filming in Canada and so they had a lot of tax credits and different

[00:16:31] incentives to try to get productions to film in New York.

[00:16:35] And I mean so many people left at that time.

[00:16:39] But one of the best parts of this movie, especially like just personally for me,

[00:16:45] living in New York, I think a lot of people who've never been to New York or never lived

[00:16:49] in New York.

[00:16:50] When you see it on the movies, you mostly get a perspective of Manhattan.

[00:16:55] Manhattan equals New York especially in romcoms.

[00:17:00] But in this movie, you get a backdrop of parts of New York that most people don't know,

[00:17:07] you know, predominantly in parts of Brooklyn.

[00:17:11] I mean, they do shoot in Manhattan and some of those iconic places like they, I believe

[00:17:15] they're in Central Park at one point.

[00:17:17] But you're seeing like rooftop parties in Brooklyn, you're seeing, you're seeing brownstones

[00:17:22] and all that good stuff so it's, you could tell that they're not just in Manhattan and

[00:17:27] they shot in different places and I really, really enjoyed that.

[00:17:30] So we open up and it's an interview with pioneers of hip hop.

[00:17:37] And they're all being asked, when did you fall in love with hip hop?

[00:17:41] So we see cool G.

[00:17:44] I can't read my own handwriting.

[00:17:48] Cool G rap.

[00:17:51] Cool G Pete Rock, Daila Soul, Deep Thought, Germaine DePree, Common, Talib Ken-Kendi.

[00:17:59] Sorry.

[00:18:00] Talib.

[00:18:01] He's family call it.

[00:18:05] I mean Google it.

[00:18:06] I don't want to get her.

[00:18:08] Oh, tell him quality.

[00:18:10] Well, I can't see it.

[00:18:12] I can't read my own handwriting.

[00:18:14] Talib, Kuali Russell Simmons, Questlove, Big Daddy Kane and Method Me.

[00:18:21] Yeah, I also think, well, this is the lead singer of the roots.

[00:18:25] I thought I saw him in it but maybe not.

[00:18:28] It does matter.

[00:18:29] Yeah, Russell Simmons seeing him on screen like so cringy because.

[00:18:34] That's your right back end.

[00:18:38] To baby fat.

[00:18:40] Yeah, so Method Man.

[00:18:44] Yeah, well, that's his movies.

[00:18:49] So a lot of people in the beginning and they're playing out in the park because you see

[00:18:55] Dre and you see, I'm not wanting to say tonight.

[00:18:59] So you see Dre, you see Sydney in the park watching these guys have rap battles and this

[00:19:05] is literally what was happening.

[00:19:07] People would be in the park.

[00:19:09] People are playing basketball.

[00:19:10] People are literally battling each other and it's just funny how the culmination of so

[00:19:14] many things were happening around this time because this is a flashback to when they're

[00:19:18] younger in the early 80s and you know, this is the time where people are not only rapping

[00:19:24] and hip hop is born but you're seeing people break dance and all that.

[00:19:29] So it's just like a whole new world exploding before their eyes.

[00:19:33] And I think what's interesting about the movie is that they're saying they're in love with

[00:19:38] hip hop as they're narrating and stuff like that, but truly you can't even separate hip

[00:19:44] hop and themselves.

[00:19:45] You know, their love story is born in hip hop.

[00:19:50] But as they're growing to learn hip hop and learning it and understanding and falling in

[00:19:57] love, it's the same for each other as their friendship builds.

[00:20:01] And so much so that I don't even think especially for Sydney, she's realized it's even happening

[00:20:07] because I think in one scene she says that Dre asked her like, should we date or something

[00:20:14] I think when they were in college and she's like no.

[00:20:17] So it's already front of mind for him, I think is taken Sydney a long time.

[00:20:25] So we find out Sydney is editor of Double XL Magazine and she is working on a book and

[00:20:34] Dre is a music producer at a record studio or record company production company.

[00:20:44] What can I do?

[00:20:45] Record label?

[00:20:47] Yeah, thank you.

[00:20:48] And he's just, you can tell from like this initial scene that he's just disheartened in the

[00:20:55] direction that this company is going with the music talent that they're bringing in and

[00:21:00] he really wants to be true to hip hop and not do things that are gimmicky which he feels

[00:21:07] like that's the direction this is headed.

[00:21:11] Yeah, I think when you look at the beginning of rap music and hip hop it was a way for people

[00:21:20] to tell, it was storytelling.

[00:21:23] People are telling their experiences where they're living.

[00:21:25] I mean the fact that like a large population of the country knows where Marcy projects

[00:21:31] is or knows what that is because of Jay-Z talking about it.

[00:21:35] You know that you have these guys and women talking about their lived experience but also

[00:21:42] using it as a way to protest, give a voice, it's poetry and emotion.

[00:21:49] All of these things and then by the time we get to this time period where this movie comes

[00:21:53] out it becomes very you know capitalistic.

[00:21:59] You have all these record companies come in and take something that was very pure and

[00:22:05] really solid essentially and I think that's what Drey's character really represents,

[00:22:10] that struggle because now you see hip hop is changing.

[00:22:14] It's giving so many people in the black culture access to certain things that maybe they didn't

[00:22:21] have before but it's like at what cost right?

[00:22:24] Like what do I have to do to be able to get it?

[00:22:28] So I think that's also what Kav is kind of representing and so you look at the record label

[00:22:36] and Kav and you could see Drey kind of being pulled in both directions and I think all

[00:22:41] of us can feel that like I want money and I want to be stable but I don't want to be in

[00:22:47] this machine.

[00:22:48] You know?

[00:22:49] Definitely.

[00:22:50] So we're at a party.

[00:22:54] We see Drey like schmoozing talking to everyone just making it work in his way through the crowd.

[00:23:00] This is when Sydney is introduced to Reese and we also find out that Reese and Drey are

[00:23:08] engaged in this scene.

[00:23:10] But he literally he proposes because one Sydney was on the West Coast.

[00:23:15] I think she was working.

[00:23:16] She what when we start the movie she's in LA and she is now just taking this big job at

[00:23:22] double XL becoming the editor and chief there.

[00:23:27] And so her and Drey have been a part or we don't know how long I'm assuming a few years

[00:23:32] because they were in college together but now they've been a part.

[00:23:38] And I think she's heard about Reese but has no I just kind of blindsided because she has

[00:23:43] no idea that Drey is this dedicated and in love with her essentially that he is going

[00:23:50] to propose.

[00:23:52] And I love the scenes between Sydney and Reese because everyone has probably experienced

[00:24:00] us at one point in your life where you especially if your dude has a girlfriend, a friend

[00:24:06] that's a girl or if you are the friend that's the girl and there's just like this fake

[00:24:11] ness that happens unless someone's being a real dick and it's like mean to you when they

[00:24:17] first meet you but it's always pretty awkward because you know that it takes you.

[00:24:21] Yeah, you know what I 100% know that.

[00:24:27] Yeah, they hate you and you may hate them back so especially if you're Sydney who doesn't

[00:24:33] realize that she is in love with Drey.

[00:24:36] So it's a very awkward fakeness that happens when they interact and then you can see

[00:24:42] said like lose it in her face watching Drey propose to her and I love that Sydney's best

[00:24:51] friend, aka cousin played by Queen Latifa is there.

[00:24:54] And kind of narrating the emotions, Francine of what's happening.

[00:24:59] You look damn.

[00:25:01] Are you okay?

[00:25:04] I love, I mean, I love Queen Latifa in general but I loved her character in this movie

[00:25:11] just very no nonsense like very like says with whatever is on the mind is coming out

[00:25:17] the mouth type thing.

[00:25:19] But she does it in a way where it's very hearing and loving.

[00:25:23] It's not it's not like into complete that game where her friends were combative like girl

[00:25:29] you don't let this happen.

[00:25:31] It's more of like Sydney.

[00:25:34] Let's go.

[00:25:35] You big girl.

[00:25:38] So yeah, they're now engaged and we're on a whirlwinds of their both in their jobs doing

[00:25:46] their own things and he's working on her book.

[00:25:48] She's now the editor and Drey is being pulled in a direction with his boss trying to get

[00:25:55] him.

[00:25:56] He like jokingly makes the suggestion about the song, the boy's mind but maybe having

[00:26:03] rappers.

[00:26:05] And then his boss of course takes it played by Wendell Pierce beautifully.

[00:26:09] I love him whatever he's in.

[00:26:11] He's like yes we could do what we really do this and takes it in a direction that Drey

[00:26:15] was joking and being sarcastic about so that's a seed planted I think around this time

[00:26:22] and we see the interactions like after this I think after they have the proposal is

[00:26:30] this when they go to the park.

[00:26:34] I think they're are they looking up gifts?

[00:26:37] Yes.

[00:26:38] And he's he's he was making a comment no sorry.

[00:26:45] I'm but I'm thinking of the scene where Francine and Sydney are in Sydney's new apartment

[00:26:51] and she still hasn't unpacked.

[00:26:53] Yeah.

[00:26:54] And Francine pulls out the vibrator she's like it's a back massager.

[00:27:00] But it's funny because it looked like the Nick massager from Brown is it is it called

[00:27:06] that store that stone Brookstone that Samantha bought and was going crazy with it on

[00:27:13] Sex and the city.

[00:27:15] You see what else Sydney remarks that no man is on the same page with her and they take

[00:27:22] up too much of your time so she's trying to convince herself that she doesn't need a man

[00:27:30] and even deeper rooted she doesn't need Drey.

[00:27:33] Yeah I think yeah I think she's saying she doesn't need a man but she's really saying

[00:27:40] she she denying that she wants Drey.

[00:27:43] Yeah.

[00:27:44] And then we get the bridal tea.

[00:27:46] The bridal shower tea.

[00:27:50] Do they go shopping first for no no what happens is when she's with Francine she's like oh

[00:27:56] damn I've got to get this bridal shower present and so I've always been confused by this

[00:28:02] so there's a bridal shower and then there's like a bachelor at party.

[00:28:06] Correct.

[00:28:07] And so at the bridal shower I think it's more for the family your grandma your mom could

[00:28:13] be there.

[00:28:14] It's very low key while a bachelor at party is like you and your friends your mom and

[00:28:19] your grandma most likely aren't going to be there sometimes they are and hey I've been

[00:28:25] to one where the mom was there and it was a fun time.

[00:28:32] So I was off to miss a past well bazooa sorry is going to call her a cost after David.

[00:28:38] We had a great time in Mexico just saying but so she asked Francine to get a gift for

[00:28:43] her she's like no worries I got this and Francine being Francine gets a pearl thong but

[00:28:50] who doesn't look at the gift before bringing it like we're asking like what'd you get?

[00:28:58] Yeah.

[00:29:00] Sydney does blindly brings this gift.

[00:29:04] I think it might have been it wasn't even wrapped there was a bow on it so like she could

[00:29:09] have easily taken a peek and again this is where the grandma everybody's there it's

[00:29:15] like embarrassing but Reese plays it off and laughs or whatever again very fake very surface

[00:29:25] but then the next scene this is where I'm like okay I have a problem with Sydney.

[00:29:32] Like this is what are you doing girl like everyone has common sense that yes the questions

[00:29:37] about Dre because they're asking questions everybody's in the room supposedly and I also

[00:29:43] wonder if there were any people that Dre knew like his mom or sister or whoever but like

[00:29:49] Sydney is answering every single one of the questions girl pretend that you don't know

[00:29:54] was being real stupid I think and that just forces a wedge between you and Reese like even

[00:30:03] more so than like the uncomfortable like you're marrying my best friend type situation

[00:30:10] that was going on anyway and you know like even though Reese's a lawyer and she's gorgeous

[00:30:18] and all of these things you know deep down she's like jealous of Sydney because she's

[00:30:26] known Dre longer and he holds her up on a pedestal.

[00:30:34] So then I think the next thing that we see is Dre and Sydney there's now shopping or registering

[00:30:42] or something I don't know she's with Dre because I think she's telling him or are they

[00:30:47] at the park eating hot dogs I remember I wrote street meat so they must have been eaten

[00:30:52] hot dogs.

[00:30:53] They're at the hot dogs stand and they're eating street meat good old hot dogs.

[00:31:02] I don't know I just saw like something on the news that said like I know that the things

[00:31:09] in hot dogs are awful like I just know it I don't even want to know I think they had found

[00:31:15] human DNA or something in either with hot dogs or like spanned, Vienna sausage whatever and

[00:31:26] I was like okay I'm just not going to eat it anymore but there's something about New

[00:31:34] York hot dogs that I'm like you know what call me Hannibal Lecter.

[00:31:41] I feel like I've never like I don't even know if I've like had a New York vendor hot dog.

[00:31:51] I don't think we had one when we went to New York and we didn't go to Grace Papaya.

[00:31:58] That's that's the hot spot but my mom always talks about an eighth in hot dog because we grew

[00:32:05] up in Brooklyn near Coney Island.

[00:32:11] And my mom was at the Nathan's stand in Coney Island.

[00:32:15] So she really loves it Nathan's hot dog but we didn't even have Nathan's when we went

[00:32:23] to Coney Island.

[00:32:24] Oh well I don't I barely remember Coney Island when we went.

[00:32:30] Insert picture of us in Coney Island.

[00:32:34] To prove we were there.

[00:32:36] Honestly it wasn't until the pictures that you had showed me the other day that I really

[00:32:40] remembered that we went to Coney Island when we went to New York.

[00:32:44] So yeah I guess we owe another trip back to New York.

[00:32:49] Yes so.

[00:32:51] 2025 will be 20 years.

[00:32:56] We could do it.

[00:32:57] We could do it.

[00:32:59] You just you make out that list of all the things you want to do ahead of time and then

[00:33:03] I'll mentally prepare.

[00:33:04] I'll look at it and say I will be able to go to this this and this with you.

[00:33:10] The best I got is this.

[00:33:13] This is what we'll do or we'll make a compromise where maybe there's something I know I don't

[00:33:17] want to do but I'm going to put something on my list that I know you won't want to

[00:33:20] do and we're just going to have to do it.

[00:33:23] That's fine.

[00:33:24] Hey there welcome to the Latchkees Sibs.

[00:33:28] The podcast the challenge is three siblings to take a look at our childhood movie cabinet

[00:33:32] in one film at a time criticize or defend the viewing choices we made as kids.

[00:33:38] I'm your host Gray Baker and I'm the youngest.

[00:33:41] I'm Holland and I'm the oldest.

[00:33:42] I'm Allegra and I'm Scorpio.

[00:33:45] So what we do each week one of us will present a movie to be critiqued and the other two

[00:33:50] will be scoring it based on five specific categories.

[00:33:54] Can we follow this?

[00:33:55] I put it out of six.

[00:33:57] It's a pretty ridiculous plot.

[00:33:59] It's a pretty ridiculous plot.

[00:34:02] I'm appropriate for children.

[00:34:04] I had it out of seven.

[00:34:05] I'm keeping it out of seven.

[00:34:07] Oh come on.

[00:34:08] I have it as a nine.

[00:34:11] Each week score will be added up and at the end of each season the sibling with the

[00:34:14] most points will be labeled master of the remote control and the loser will be forced

[00:34:19] to do some sort of punishment.

[00:34:21] I think we can let the magic be whatever the magic needs to be because it's a movie

[00:34:27] and it's a children's movie.

[00:34:29] And wavey children's movie answer.

[00:34:31] I'm just saying.

[00:34:32] I'm like listen you old boy.

[00:34:35] You're me too, your friend.

[00:34:38] Okay, the horsie Jesus Christ.

[00:34:41] That is erotic.

[00:34:43] I also wrote this movie is horny.

[00:34:47] It's so horny.

[00:34:49] It's so horny.

[00:34:50] Okay.

[00:34:51] We are the last key.

[00:34:52] Search it for you.

[00:34:54] Reviewing movies from back in our youth.

[00:34:59] We're going to be doing it in every one state to find out who becomes the master of remote control

[00:35:03] on latchkey sips.

[00:35:11] Now we're at open mic night at Webster Hall.

[00:35:15] Let me tell you about Webster Hall.

[00:35:17] Oh, tell me.

[00:35:18] Shutama and I use the really go out and party when I lived in New York and Webster

[00:35:25] Hall.

[00:35:26] Good times.

[00:35:27] Really good shows you could see there.

[00:35:29] And also my cousin would invite me to this.

[00:35:34] They used to have like male night reviews, like a magic mic situation.

[00:35:38] Mm hmm.

[00:35:39] This is the first time I discovered what a cock ring was check.

[00:35:46] Last episode it was ping pong poon and this time.

[00:35:53] Cock rings.

[00:35:54] I was shocked because I was like, what's that on his thing?

[00:36:03] And my cousins like, oh, it's covering.

[00:36:05] It helps them stay longer.

[00:36:09] Why not leave me get it?

[00:36:15] But I also learned that I am not a fan of male strippers.

[00:36:21] It was quite creepy to me.

[00:36:24] Yeah, like I like watching magic mic.

[00:36:28] I think just because how well they dance.

[00:36:32] But like I don't want you to touch me.

[00:36:34] I don't want you to flip me upside down and like rub my crotch on your face.

[00:36:39] Like I don't I don't want that.

[00:36:42] And also doing it.

[00:36:44] That thing made me to.

[00:36:49] I felt there was an episode of real housewives where they went to Vegas and they went to the

[00:36:54] magic mic show.

[00:36:56] And if they sprayed whipped cream all over pile and they were like, licking it off and

[00:37:02] stuff.

[00:37:03] I'm like, no, I don't.

[00:37:04] No, that's gross and sticky.

[00:37:08] You do this to women like six nights a week.

[00:37:11] So I don't know who else you've been licking.

[00:37:15] They could have not showered all week.

[00:37:17] Like I don't know and I don't care for this.

[00:37:21] Yeah, especially as many people are coming out and airing out that they don't shower.

[00:37:26] So yeah, so Webster Hall good times.

[00:37:32] But yeah, they're having open mic night.

[00:37:34] And obviously Dre has invited Sydney because this is where he goes to scout new talent.

[00:37:39] And this is their like bonding thing because it's hip hop night, you know, for them to experience.

[00:37:45] And this is where when they I believe Dre has already seen cab before perform and he's

[00:37:53] already approached him.

[00:37:54] But this is just a reminder that like he really thinks that he would be a great addition.

[00:37:59] But that conversation because yeah, seeing is performing on stage.

[00:38:05] I always really like the song.

[00:38:07] I think I even downloaded it on like live wires.

[00:38:11] I'm going to read allegedly allegedly allegedly.

[00:38:16] The crime is too long.

[00:38:18] You can't catch me that computer long gone.

[00:38:21] But then it's interrupted because he's trying to talk to cab about like, you know, you

[00:38:27] can be on our label and he's like, no, your label is not where it needs where I want

[00:38:32] to be.

[00:38:33] And that's when rent in tin or rent in tin, the what the raping donations or something

[00:38:40] stupid show up and it just throws drazed regret right out the water because he's like,

[00:38:48] what the hell?

[00:38:49] So yeah, I just find that signal areas those two are idiots.

[00:38:55] I was like, GQ is that you know some other rap in my point does look like him a bit.

[00:39:02] No, just respect.

[00:39:03] No, we played it well.

[00:39:06] He would have that's why I was like, this seems like a character that be very up to

[00:39:12] Q Sally.

[00:39:14] This is when Dre decides I'm out and he wants to go and start his own label.

[00:39:21] And is it this scene where another scene where they start singing the like bastard version

[00:39:28] of the bitches?

[00:39:29] And it's not the scene.

[00:39:30] It's afterwards because I think Dre quits when they're in the studio and he's having to

[00:39:35] produce.

[00:39:36] So his boss tells him like, Hey, this is your new act.

[00:39:40] You've got to make this work.

[00:39:41] And I think Dre is committed to that because this is before him and res get married.

[00:39:45] So he hasn't made any drastic changes yet to his life.

[00:39:51] So we did we get a scene of Sydney and Dre shopping yet?

[00:39:59] Because I think that might have happened before.

[00:40:03] Yeah, but they were yes, but just want to bring this up because when they're shopping together,

[00:40:10] the shopkeeper wherever they're at as they're looking at this base things that there are

[00:40:15] a couple.

[00:40:16] So that's point one point two is this vase that they're looking at.

[00:40:21] Sydney ends up buying and you can see the vase throughout the movie in different places,

[00:40:27] which is pretty interesting.

[00:40:29] And it's almost like harder there evolution at that point.

[00:40:33] So I just wanted to mention that because it's a fun game if you've seen Brown Trigger a

[00:40:36] few times to pay attention to the blue.

[00:40:38] I think it's a blue vase and see where it's like placed.

[00:40:44] So when we get to see where Reese and Dre live in comparison to where Sydney lives, you

[00:40:53] could see the influence of Reese and her aesthetic is very clean, modern, white everything.

[00:41:04] Very sleek, chic, rich girl vibes.

[00:41:08] While Sydney is more homegrown, she's in a brownstone.

[00:41:12] A lot of I'm trying to think earth tones, a lot of reds, rich browns, that kind of stuff.

[00:41:20] And it's like totally drastic differences between the two of them.

[00:41:27] So I honestly don't see much in common with between both women except they're extremely

[00:41:32] beautiful.

[00:41:33] So it's interesting to me that I feel like Dre looks at Reese as status and he's almost

[00:41:42] trying to live up to her status.

[00:41:45] Even later on, he talks about their ring, the ring that he bought her and how much it cost

[00:41:50] and how he's still paying it off.

[00:41:54] Which I mean, that's not uncommon for most people, but you could tell like he's trying

[00:41:59] to fit into something that doesn't even say something about like, well, I help pay for

[00:42:05] the ring or I pay for it.

[00:42:07] Yeah.

[00:42:08] So like she's a lawyer.

[00:42:11] She also has like a little like a loophiness about her because she's a lawyer.

[00:42:17] She makes a ton of money and like she can help support her man, you know?

[00:42:21] Well, yeah, I think she was like making it definitely a dig at him because at that point

[00:42:27] we see later when she brings that up, it's because Dre is starting his own thing.

[00:42:32] But you can even hear Sydney talk about it a little bit about how Dre is kind of performing

[00:42:39] for Reese when she's at that party and she's answering all those questions because one

[00:42:45] of them, one of the questions that comes up is what is Dre's favorite drink?

[00:42:49] And so Sydney actually doesn't just say one drink.

[00:42:53] She says one drink which is actually his favorite and then says a McCallan when he's trying

[00:42:58] to impress somebody.

[00:43:00] And that is the drink that Reese says.

[00:43:03] So we now know and it comes up later that Reese orders a McCallan for him because that is

[00:43:09] what Dre was trying to do when he met Reese.

[00:43:12] He was trying to impress her.

[00:43:14] So I find all those things very interesting so far.

[00:43:20] So I think after meeting Run in 10, that's when Dre starts thinking about leaving the

[00:43:29] company and starting his own label.

[00:43:33] And he goes to Sydney and is kind of just talking out loud and like, it's just not where

[00:43:37] I want to be.

[00:43:39] And moving in a direction that I'm not happy with.

[00:43:44] And this is when they kiss.

[00:43:49] And Sydney stops him.

[00:43:52] And he does say he wants to marry Reese.

[00:43:55] So it's kind of like putting that.

[00:43:59] I feel like in the scene, there's so much unsaid things that happened because as soon

[00:44:06] as he starts having these feelings, which I think makes yes, again, he's in love with

[00:44:13] Reese.

[00:44:14] He loves Reese but he hasn't transitioned some of those communications that you should

[00:44:19] be having with your partner versus Sydney, who he feels so literally at home with to say

[00:44:29] his inner thoughts and where he's going.

[00:44:33] And I think the problem is that he's having these conversations with Sydney first.

[00:44:39] And he's not even having the conversations with Reese.

[00:44:41] It's almost an afterthought like he forgets because he's already broken it down with Sydney.

[00:44:47] And I think if this was just him and a guy, like a guy best friend, it might not be as

[00:44:54] big of a problem.

[00:44:56] I mean, it's still a problem that you're not communicating with your spouse but so many

[00:45:00] of us talked to our best friends and like think stuff through first before we maybe say

[00:45:06] to somebody else or even our printer.

[00:45:08] But I think once you're in a marriage though, it's a little bit more difficult.

[00:45:15] And so when they kiss, Sydney pushes him back because she just knows that this isn't it

[00:45:21] right.

[00:45:22] Like it's wrong.

[00:45:23] Not that the kiss itself is wrong like she doesn't want to kiss Dre but I think she's

[00:45:27] you know, you're about to get married literally tomorrow.

[00:45:31] And when she pushes him away, I feel like it's a rejection.

[00:45:36] Like she wants to talk to him about it.

[00:45:38] Like what are you going to, like what are we doing?

[00:45:40] What are you going to do?

[00:45:41] And then he's like, oh no, I'm going to marry Reese.

[00:45:44] And I think he responds in that way because he feels like when she pushes him away, it's

[00:45:49] a rejection.

[00:45:50] Yeah.

[00:45:51] Also, when we learn later that he wanted to try to start something in college, it makes

[00:45:58] that seem make even more sense because if he's already been slightly rejected in the

[00:46:03] past, he's too afraid to really put his feelings out there because he believes Sydney

[00:46:10] does not have an interest in him in that way and the way that he wants.

[00:46:16] And Sydney is giving mixed signals herself because girl, why you kissing him?

[00:46:22] You already saw you saw the mood like we all know it's not like it's not like Dre just

[00:46:28] leave on her.

[00:46:30] They were both vibing so she was given out of vibe as well.

[00:46:35] And he's wrong.

[00:46:36] I'm not saying I'm not saying he's not wrong but still.

[00:46:40] He's a mess girl.

[00:46:41] It's a mess.

[00:46:42] Well, she's constantly denying the feelings that she has for him.

[00:46:50] And then she gets into these really intimate discussion situations and then like the lines

[00:46:55] are blurred but then she has to bring herself back into the mental state of like, oh no.

[00:47:01] Break.

[00:47:02] shove it back down.

[00:47:03] Yeah, I honestly feel like she's scared because this is the most important relationship

[00:47:09] in her life and when you're going to date, if things go wrong, that means she's losing

[00:47:15] her person.

[00:47:17] And I think that scares her more than anything.

[00:47:20] I don't think she wants to risk it.

[00:47:22] Yeah.

[00:47:23] So what happens?

[00:47:24] Dre goes and gets married and they're at this wedding.

[00:47:29] And Francine's like so she tells Francine what happens that they kissed the night before

[00:47:35] and Francine's like, girl, what are we doing here?

[00:47:37] Why would you stop in this wedding?

[00:47:39] I would have been if I was Reese.

[00:47:42] I'd have been fucking pissed.

[00:47:44] Yeah.

[00:47:45] About these two talking door on my wedding.

[00:47:49] Yes.

[00:47:50] 100%.

[00:47:51] Also that she kissed my man but yeah.

[00:47:55] This is not the time or place to be having this discussion.

[00:48:00] It was so rude.

[00:48:02] It's so rude that the pastor even had to say, oh do we have a problem?

[00:48:07] Like what's going on over there and people were shushing them.

[00:48:11] Yeah.

[00:48:12] And Francine was not trying to whisper.

[00:48:16] No.

[00:48:18] It was real awkward up in that pitch.

[00:48:22] So these two get married.

[00:48:25] Reese and Dre get married.

[00:48:27] And I'm assuming they go in their honeymoon but then we kind of see just like a montage

[00:48:32] of them, Sydney and Dre just like living their separate lives at this point.

[00:48:38] And so we have to assume that they haven't really seen each other because Sydney is doing

[00:48:43] her book and she's an editor.

[00:48:46] And I believe this is around the time that she gets the basketball player of her dreams

[00:48:55] played by Kelby.

[00:48:56] Play by Boris Kodrow comes into the picture and he's pretty much saying that he won't

[00:49:02] be interviewed for the magazine unless he people request that Sydney has to interview him.

[00:49:10] Red flag.

[00:49:12] I mean, I would be like why?

[00:49:14] And so I love that Francine.

[00:49:17] I believe Francine tells her girl you need to start dating.

[00:49:22] You need to like start getting yourself out there.

[00:49:24] You need to change your wardrobe.

[00:49:25] You need to do all these things.

[00:49:27] So I think she meets Kelby before and they have like a good like back and forth or whatever.

[00:49:36] Yeah, I don't know if they like the I don't know if she talks to Dre before that or if it's

[00:49:41] Francine but like their questioning pretty much what why are you meeting this man?

[00:49:48] Better thing.

[00:49:50] But she meets him.

[00:49:51] He's very interested and he asks her on a date.

[00:49:54] And he's like I think did they meet for dinner or something so she did dress up for it.

[00:50:03] I think well because Francine like even takes her to the hairdresser and gets her done

[00:50:10] and stuff like that.

[00:50:11] So she does show up for the date very nicely dressed.

[00:50:14] I mean, it may have just been like the place they were meeting was nicer so she had to

[00:50:20] yeah.

[00:50:21] She dressed.

[00:50:22] Yeah.

[00:50:24] You're right.

[00:50:25] Yeah, but she dressed like I think Old Cindy would have dressed up a guess but still not

[00:50:32] hot you know or like I'm trying to attract a man vibes.

[00:50:37] So thank her for Francine and Kelby liked what he saw because then that's when he asked

[00:50:41] you know for them to go on a date.

[00:50:44] And when she tells Dre that she's going on this date.

[00:50:49] This man is flustered by that he does not like this.

[00:50:54] If he it was very much like I'm sorry.

[00:51:00] What?

[00:51:01] Like if he could have like whipped his head around he would have a hair flip first.

[00:51:10] Yeah, he was not happy about the situation.

[00:51:13] I mean, you're talking about Boris Koja like of course you're going to be intimidated.

[00:51:20] I mean, it's beautiful.

[00:51:24] I mean we could say that over and over again.

[00:51:27] And when they go on their first date though like this is why movies are horrible.

[00:51:32] These exquisite this man rents out an entire an entire restaurant.

[00:51:41] And then on top of that supposedly cooks because Dre questions that later but oh and I

[00:51:46] think before this even happens.

[00:51:48] This is when Dre like has his last straw and he does quit his job and tell Cindy about

[00:51:55] it and Sydney actually gives him his first check as an investor in his company.

[00:52:02] Yes, well by the time he goes to have that conversation with Reese and tells her they're

[00:52:08] already starting to squabble a little bit.

[00:52:10] You can tell there's some tension.

[00:52:12] Reese was real calm.

[00:52:18] She was real calm about all this but the moment she found that Sydney was the first investor

[00:52:24] and that he talked to Cindy first.

[00:52:26] She's like she's right.

[00:52:33] Oh man, it was it was a mess.

[00:52:35] And then she's like then she switched again into like okay fine you've made this decision

[00:52:40] with that I'll talk into your partner.

[00:52:43] Okay, I will look for investors tomorrow blah blah blah blah blah and that's when he's

[00:52:48] like oh no worries, I got an investor.

[00:52:51] So what is Sydney flipping the whole bill?

[00:52:53] Like you can't get more investors.

[00:52:55] What are you talking about?

[00:52:57] He should have kept that to himself.

[00:52:58] I'm just saying.

[00:53:00] You should have kept that to himself.

[00:53:02] Like just shhh.

[00:53:05] Right, just saying I'm getting this to know.

[00:53:08] And then so he knows even the dog house and what gets me is he he tries to call Sydney knowing

[00:53:14] that she went on this date right and that she's probably still and that he's trying to figure

[00:53:18] out like if she's going to not boots with Kelbee or not or whatever.

[00:53:24] Yeah.

[00:53:25] He calls her and he's like sneaking in his some part of his house calling her and she has

[00:53:31] invited Kelbee back to her house and she's like yeah it's almost like Drey challenges

[00:53:37] are so she really like okay, fuck it.

[00:53:39] Yeah, I'm gonna just keep with him.

[00:53:41] Well in the fact that like you already know your wife is pissed right that you talked

[00:53:46] to Sydney about this before you talked to her about it and now you're going to have

[00:53:51] the Adassi to like sneak into another room and call Sydney and like ask her about her

[00:53:57] date thinking I'm not going to hear you and come out and be like I'm sorry.

[00:54:03] Didn't we not just have this conversation about how I feel about Sydney, which I'm not

[00:54:09] saying it's right or wrong but like come on man, we told you're at the office tomorrow.

[00:54:16] Like you don't have to like grill her about her date immediately.

[00:54:23] I think one thing like a trope that I really hate about wrong comes is that when the two

[00:54:29] leads are with people they're not supposed to be with.

[00:54:32] They always make those people out to be some sort of villain and quite frankly they're

[00:54:37] not like I don't think Reese's a villain, I don't think Kelbee is a villain.

[00:54:42] They might not have been the right people for them but the way that these two did them

[00:54:47] especially in this movie dirty.

[00:54:51] I'm not mad at her.

[00:54:54] Well I'm mad that she okay, she was having troubles with her husband and she had no idea

[00:54:58] that he had kissed Sydney but besides that he hadn't he's having an emotional affair essentially

[00:55:05] but for her to go out and step out on him instead of like trying to figure out because

[00:55:11] they have a communication issue hands down.

[00:55:14] Yeah definitely.

[00:55:15] But I think they did that to make it an easy out for his character to be able to leave

[00:55:23] and go to Sydney.

[00:55:24] Yeah because then he would have been the bad guy otherwise.

[00:55:28] Yeah but he still is.

[00:55:31] Oh yeah we're not negating his actions.

[00:55:35] No, he still is and then I think so in this process their marriage brand new marriages on

[00:55:43] the rocks and Sydney is flourishing with Kelbee you know she's having a great time he's buying

[00:55:51] roses to fill up her whole damn house.

[00:55:56] She's going to his practices they're like having a true on relationship.

[00:56:00] I forgot how many months there together at this point I want to say like six maybe six

[00:56:06] months because I think they're having a I might have skipped a bunch of stuff but it's

[00:56:12] fun.

[00:56:13] They are having a party for I want to say New Year's yes so we can add this to a New

[00:56:19] Years movie.

[00:56:20] Similar to again when Harry met Sally because they have a new year scene too and this is

[00:56:27] when Kelbee decides to propose and it's funny because before he does that he's having a

[00:56:35] conversation with Kevin talking about he wants to be a rapper which I thought was really

[00:56:39] funny because it speaks to how many athletes especially like basketball players NFL players

[00:56:45] who have dabbled in the career of trying to be a rap star.

[00:56:49] I'm not saying nobody is good.

[00:56:55] I'm just saying I haven't seen one yet.

[00:57:00] I mean no hate on Shack's album.

[00:57:03] I'm going to say something about Shack and I love Shack.

[00:57:07] I think he is precious.

[00:57:09] He's BFFs with my boy Charles Barkley.

[00:57:12] I think Shack is very like from what I've seen no red flags like he seems very kind.

[00:57:19] He's always willing to stop and take pictures with fans and like all of that.

[00:57:25] He mumbled like I don't know how he had a rap album when he always sounds like he has got

[00:57:29] Marvel isn't his mouth.

[00:57:31] I've heard that the rap is from the album.

[00:57:38] Yeah.

[00:57:39] I don't know.

[00:57:41] I'm no rap.

[00:57:42] No, I'm just saying he out here so y'all go listen.

[00:57:50] Okay.

[00:57:51] Y'all go listen to Shack's album and you tell us what you think and if your hard core

[00:57:57] band let us know are we in the wrong marble mouth Shack.

[00:58:04] I don't know if I ever like I don't think I paid attention to him mumbling but I know

[00:58:09] he's just like a really deep voice that's all I've ever like taken from his voice but

[00:58:15] the rap game did Kobe try to rap too?

[00:58:19] I don't know who else tried to rap.

[00:58:21] Hey Danielle.

[00:58:23] Yeah.

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[00:59:46] But anyway, I love that Calbee.

[00:59:50] There was that joke to the audience that he wants to work on an album and he was like,

[00:59:56] oh, Cal, you can help me.

[00:59:58] And Cal was just trying to get away because he is trying to get Francine to notice him

[01:00:05] and he's trying to get Dre to be like, you know, he's trying to say like, oh, I like her

[01:00:11] but, you know, I'm proplaning it cool kind of vibes.

[01:00:14] Yeah.

[01:00:15] And Dre's having them melt down all together anyways.

[01:00:17] He's like, dude, if you like her, just talk to her.

[01:00:20] Francine's cool, whatever.

[01:00:21] Francine is talking to, to Cindy and she's like laughing because the conversations that

[01:00:29] Cal has tried to have with her like she knows that he likes her and she's like, I may give

[01:00:34] him some attention maybe.

[01:00:36] So I think that old back story is hilarious and cute.

[01:00:39] So, let me see.

[01:00:43] I think it would have been more fun if recent Calbee just would have cheated with each

[01:00:47] other.

[01:00:48] Yeah.

[01:00:49] Well, and then it would have been like life imitating life.

[01:00:56] Are imitating life?

[01:00:57] Yeah, that's it.

[01:00:58] I love that these two met on the TV show of soul food.

[01:01:04] So it was like they took another 90s movie and then they met there and then they've

[01:01:10] been in so many things together.

[01:01:11] I think it's cute that they can still work with each other, but there is a scene during

[01:01:17] this part where Calbee and Marie says like do you or Kelbee says like, do you get used

[01:01:24] to this because they're watching Sydney and Dre have like this intimate moment and they're

[01:01:29] like arguing and she's like no, I don't get used to it.

[01:01:36] So it's interesting that they're bad for them.

[01:01:39] Yeah, yeah, it's a mess.

[01:01:41] That's what I feel like it's a red flag honestly because if you film your gut, if you have

[01:01:47] something, you're with somebody because you could tell when a guy has a friend that's

[01:01:52] a girl and he is like not interested in her in her in any way.

[01:01:57] And I want to say people can have platonic friendships, but these two in particular

[01:02:03] are walking heat literally like flames.

[01:02:08] Yeah, look at the scene behind me.

[01:02:13] They're about to jump over this counter, okay?

[01:02:15] Yeah, there's no way.

[01:02:20] But it gets worse after this because he's working, he has now, he has his, Dre has his own

[01:02:26] company and he's doing his own thing.

[01:02:28] And I don't think he's seeing resmudge.

[01:02:29] You see some like, I think it's like another montage.

[01:02:33] So these two are not really connecting like we saw previously.

[01:02:38] It's even worse.

[01:02:40] And then you're seeing Sydney have issues with Kelbee or she's kind of wavering a little

[01:02:46] bit because, you know, she's a writer and she wants feedback.

[01:02:50] She's working on this book and she's realizing Kelbee has never read anything that she's

[01:02:57] written.

[01:02:58] And this is like, this is when you know as the audience like, this is it.

[01:03:03] This is a huge deal to Sydney.

[01:03:05] It might seem Kelbee thinks it's small, but this is extremely big for her.

[01:03:11] Especially literally later on that day, she is talking to Dre.

[01:03:18] She doesn't ask him or anything.

[01:03:20] He literally quotes something that she wrote in like college or a newspaper she wrote

[01:03:25] years ago like what the fuck?

[01:03:27] It was like her first published piece or something like that.

[01:03:32] Kelbee never had a chance.

[01:03:34] No.

[01:03:35] None.

[01:03:36] And I don't know if it's because he's an NBA player and he's fine as hell.

[01:03:42] He's rich.

[01:03:43] He thinks, hmm, I shouldn't have knew this much work.

[01:03:46] Yeah.

[01:03:47] But like if you're going to marry this person and she's a writer, what do you want to?

[01:03:54] Like if you expect her to come to your practices as she does in this movie and your games, how

[01:04:01] can you not read her stuff?

[01:04:03] Yeah.

[01:04:04] Like she's literally sitting there like writing at your practices to be with you and you can't

[01:04:11] bother to like, he does say that he read the piece she wrote on him.

[01:04:16] Of course you are so enthusiastic back there.

[01:04:19] Of course you're going to read the piece I wrote about you.

[01:04:25] But yeah, but he does say you know what?

[01:04:28] After playoffs or whatever, I'm going to read every single thing you've ever written.

[01:04:34] But you know by that time he don't even know.

[01:04:36] That was the moment he lost his girl.

[01:04:38] Too little too late.

[01:04:40] Mm.

[01:04:41] For Shane Kelby.

[01:04:43] So let me see.

[01:04:46] This is, so I guess she caught after like this whole exchange with Kelby happens and she

[01:04:51] realizes like homeboy doesn't even read my shit.

[01:04:55] Like he doesn't really care.

[01:04:57] Like I'm good arm candy and that's about it.

[01:05:02] Like I'm a prop for him.

[01:05:05] She calls Dre and he comes over and this is when they have that discussion and he quotes

[01:05:14] the piece like her first published piece.

[01:05:20] And as they're talking, there's a throw away line earlier in the movie where like Dre accidentally

[01:05:30] takes Reese's phone sometimes.

[01:05:32] I guess they have the same phone.

[01:05:33] So he grabbed Reese's phone by accident.

[01:05:36] So he sees this message from Richard and he's like, and Sydney had expressed concern because

[01:05:43] she and Reese go to the same gym and she's like, you know, like people are always like

[01:05:49] like hitting on recent stuff and she's really flirty and he's like, oh yeah, she's just

[01:05:54] really flirty.

[01:05:55] Like I'm not concerned and she'll say he's like, okay, like I just wanted to let you

[01:05:59] know my observations on it.

[01:06:01] So once he gets this text message from Richard that says like see if the rest or something

[01:06:08] yeah, I'm assuming it says the restaurant because they know where to show up.

[01:06:13] Right.

[01:06:14] So he's like bet let's go and so they show up and Sydney is so fucking embarrassed.

[01:06:21] And Dre is just like, oh cool.

[01:06:25] Can we join you?

[01:06:26] Like that's my wife.

[01:06:28] The guy obviously has no clue.

[01:06:30] He's like, and then I think Dre says like this is my favorite restaurant or something

[01:06:35] like that to add insult to injury.

[01:06:38] And this is when we get the comments about not wearing the $15,000 engagement ring I got

[01:06:43] you.

[01:06:44] Got your titties all out.

[01:06:46] And then I think it was like his one of his favorite dresses or something like it's like

[01:06:52] I would like that one on you.

[01:06:54] I got everything showing.

[01:06:56] The best line is order a bottle of your most expensive champagne.

[01:07:01] We're celebrating my divorce and I was like, oh god damn.

[01:07:05] And he sings it too.

[01:07:07] And they say that like that's probably like one of the most quoted lines in this movie

[01:07:12] that like if people see them on the streets and stuff like that people always sing that

[01:07:17] part.

[01:07:18] It's a classic for a reason.

[01:07:20] I love how Reese's just kind of like she's chill and like smiling.

[01:07:28] See here's a difference between me and Sidney because whether me like I love Dre more than

[01:07:35] just a friend or he's still my best friend.

[01:07:38] And bitch you cheating on him out of thrown hands for sure.

[01:07:42] Yeah, yeah, it went.

[01:07:44] It was way too nice about it.

[01:07:48] I think she was more embarrassed than anything about the situation like she wasn't doing

[01:07:53] anything reactionary of like this situation beyond like Dre's behavior.

[01:07:58] Yeah, it's no bueno.

[01:08:02] And I think one of the biggest mistakes that they made was going back to Sidney instead

[01:08:08] of like maybe a bar and just chilling out a little bit because they not boots.

[01:08:14] It did.

[01:08:16] And it was good and for sure.

[01:08:20] You learn it went by pretty quickly.

[01:08:23] And I love how they have that conversation just so openly about everything.

[01:08:29] But I think Sidney is conflicted and Dre's just kind of confused as to what Sidney wants

[01:08:34] because I think obviously he's wanted this.

[01:08:38] And but she does have a point like you literally just you didn't even get divorced

[01:08:43] yet.

[01:08:44] You just found out your wife was cheating on you like what the hell?

[01:08:48] You know, this night you were not even had processing time like.

[01:08:55] Yeah, by part I have a fiancee like I'm about I'm like working through planning this

[01:09:02] damn wedding so they part ways and Sidney has a lot to think about.

[01:09:11] And in this in between time, Dre wants to know if Sidney has actually seen the review

[01:09:18] because he is going to the radio station.

[01:09:21] He is trying to get his song played or whatever because they've been working on stuff

[01:09:28] in the studio.

[01:09:30] And that's where he kind of has to reach out to Sidney and say like hey you know I just

[01:09:37] need to know like what's going on with this review or whatever.

[01:09:40] Or I don't know if he reaches, I don't think he reaches out to her actually when he

[01:09:44] goes to the radio station, he submits a tape and he really pushes forward to get hurt.

[01:09:52] And I think somehow it then gets to double XL.

[01:09:56] And so Sidney is mad because she thinks that he did it on purpose but he's like why would

[01:10:00] I do that?

[01:10:01] I wanted to see if it would actually get to you because I could have just given it to you

[01:10:06] and so she's saying it's a conflict of interest because she's invested.

[01:10:09] Which I agree like she should not, she should stay out of it just in case it gets back

[01:10:15] to her.

[01:10:17] So she gives it to someone else on the team that he doesn't think is going to vibe with

[01:10:21] it so he's a little upset and he's like I need you to step in and she's like she can't.

[01:10:26] So they have an argument about that but we know it's again it's the hip hop but there

[01:10:35] really fighting about their relationship.

[01:10:38] And I think after the review comes when the review is done she does bring it to him in

[01:10:44] his hotel and she's just like, I think he this is when he puts it on all on the table

[01:10:53] for her like that he is still in love with her like he wants to be with her and she

[01:11:01] still gets scared and leaves.

[01:11:04] And then he goes to meet Reese.

[01:11:06] Right because Reese wants to give it one more chance she just feels like maybe she won't

[01:11:11] feel right unless she knows that she gave it her all because they are married.

[01:11:16] And she knows she's in the wrong but they have like an amicable thing and I think it's

[01:11:22] amicable because he was never in love with her.

[01:11:26] He loved her.

[01:11:27] He loved what she stood for, what he meant what she meant for his status but he was never

[01:11:33] in love with her and now that he's admitted it to Sydney and there's like no turning back

[01:11:39] he's not going to be with her.

[01:11:43] And at this point is this where she breaks Sydney brings up with Kelby?

[01:11:50] I think she.

[01:11:51] Yeah so she oh she goes to talk to Kelby and Kelby kind of calls her out and he says

[01:11:59] I love you but not the way you love him.

[01:12:03] And so then Sydney apologizes and gives the ring back because she recognizes like he's

[01:12:08] right like I have been in love with Dre this entire time I've just been trying to fight

[01:12:14] it.

[01:12:16] Yeah I mean if she didn't fight it we wouldn't have a movie but it is what it is.

[01:12:22] So she goes to try and find Dre yeah she sees him and Reese walking out of the restaurant

[01:12:28] and like they're friendly like he's kissing her on the cheek and giving her a hug goodbye

[01:12:35] but and Sydney misinterprets that as they walk back together rather than kind of like

[01:12:39] a goodbye thing.

[01:12:41] So she kind of just walks away she doesn't try to engage with Dre at this point and then

[01:12:49] the next the next sequence is she's finished her book she has an interview at a right the

[01:12:57] radio station discussing her book and her book is is called a love letter to hip hop but

[01:13:05] like everyone knows like in her inner circle everyone knows like hip hop is just a facade

[01:13:15] and it's actually the love letter to Dre.

[01:13:17] Right and at this point Dre is in the cab with Cav and they hear his song played and they're

[01:13:27] super excited but like they know that Sydney's at the radio station and it hits Dre like

[01:13:34] that when she's listening to her interview and he's like shit she talking about me.

[01:13:40] And so Cav's like yo let's go let's go get your girl so they head to the radio station

[01:13:45] and when they get there you see Dre grab a piece of paper and you're not really quite sure

[01:13:51] why but then as he runs to the booth outside the glass he puts up a piece of paper and earlier

[01:13:59] there's like another line where he says like I don't want you know if you I was always the kind

[01:14:04] of guy like who wouldn't do all these roses things I would just be like check the box if you do

[01:14:08] like me do you want to go out with me check yes check no kind of thing so he literally does that

[01:14:14] like old school elementary school style or Sydney because it is really cute.

[01:14:20] I also want to mention the fact that in this scene Dre is wearing a white sweater and if you look

[01:14:27] at it it is the same sweater that Billy Crystal wears the infamous sweater you see and that's

[01:14:34] interesting.

[01:14:35] How Sally met how Harry met Sally.

[01:14:38] Harry met Sam.

[01:14:39] How a Harry met Sally so I thought that was a really cool homage to that movie and obviously Sydney

[01:14:47] loves the gesture and they make out and their love there together that's her lobster.

[01:14:54] It is and he tells her you're my heir which is so lovely and poetic.

[01:15:05] And then Chris what is his name?

[01:15:08] Yeah.

[01:15:09] Caves standing there and he's kind of like at the New Year's party he gets on this tangent

[01:15:14] about like champagne flutes with Francine and like it's just meandering and kind of odd

[01:15:23] so at the end he he continues his diatribe on why they're called champagne flutes and how

[01:15:28] they were invented and stuff.

[01:15:30] And Francine is a no nonsense sharpshooter and she's just like cab you want to go out with

[01:15:37] me he's like oh yeah.

[01:15:39] Yeah that could work that could work.

[01:15:42] Give me a break my dude just finally everybody's in love now everyone's got a partner so it

[01:15:51] all works out.

[01:15:52] And that is brown sugar.

[01:15:55] Yeah I love this movie so a few more fun facts Mary J. Blige actually inspired the films

[01:16:04] scream wider Michael Elliott because he heard her seven days on the radio in 1998 before

[01:16:11] he was on the verge of giving up on his filmmaking dreams he wrote a lyric from the song down

[01:16:16] on an napkin and it says now what are we going to do?

[01:16:20] That lingering question became the end of the first act of Elliott's new script arriving

[01:16:25] after a kiss between two long time friends so I thought that was great I didn't know

[01:16:30] that.

[01:16:31] And so much so that the original title of the movie was called seven days and he was able

[01:16:37] to sell the script to 20th century Fox for $250,000.

[01:16:44] It was also almost called I used to love her which is a comment reference to I believe

[01:16:52] the common has a song I used to love her but they opted for more subtle brown sugar.

[01:16:58] So Rick was a young director coming off of his first hit film 1999's The Wood so the

[01:17:03] studios sought after him because of his fresh voice and humor for the romantic comedy.

[01:17:12] He wanted to bring out the romanticism of a musical genre that was becoming increasingly

[01:17:19] associated with violence and excess in its mainstream commercial form which I thought was

[01:17:25] good.

[01:17:27] That you know this movie does put like a sweetness that you don't always see I think in mainstream

[01:17:36] about hip hop but there's a lot of it incorporated in hip hop.

[01:17:40] It probably just is not as commercialized which kind of sucks so I love that he was able

[01:17:45] to incorporate them in this movie.

[01:17:48] I don't even want to say his name Kanye West featuring a soulful sample of Norman Conner's

[01:17:54] invitation and Bay wrapping smoothie from his perspective of his character Bay contributed

[01:18:00] to the entire soundtrack in the role of producer and artist.

[01:18:04] During the film soundtrack wasn't just curated it was produced by Tadeegs who plays Dray

[01:18:11] actually has musical talent.

[01:18:14] He co-produced two tracks on the album and co-wrote the song hip hop which I never knew that.

[01:18:19] I used to listen to this soundtrack to this so I now want to go back and listen again.

[01:18:25] Oh and I love this fact because you know how we have romcom jobs like you are either a

[01:18:33] journalist at a newspaper or a magazine editor so Sinishah was one of the first black girl

[01:18:41] editors magazine editors we saw in a film.

[01:18:44] My name is also a literative like Andy Anderson's name.

[01:18:49] The restaurant that Dray catches Reese and her date in is the same restaurant that

[01:18:56] is featured in the best man.

[01:18:57] And oh speaking of NBA magic Johnson contributed to this movie being made when Elliott wrote

[01:19:07] the screenplay in a month and he ended up dropping it off at magic Johnson Entertainment,

[01:19:13] a company run by magic Johnson who at the time had a deal with 20 century Fox so it just worked out.

[01:19:21] I think there was just like a such a thirst once they started to see these movies do well.

[01:19:26] Like all the studios wanted a piece of it and so just worked out this way.

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[01:20:16] All right, present day ratings.

[01:20:18] Jackie.

[01:20:20] So I am not saying anything about like cinematically it was it was very well made.

[01:20:30] The story was fine.

[01:20:32] Acting great.

[01:20:34] Casting superb.

[01:20:37] For me personally in my life this was too dramatic for me.

[01:20:44] I needed more levity like I was talking about at the beginning.

[01:20:48] So it's going to be a two day for me.

[01:20:50] A two day?

[01:20:52] Yeah, and I just it was too it was too dramatic.

[01:20:58] Sorry.

[01:21:02] I can see how other people really love this movie and appreciate it.

[01:21:07] Just for me I need the more I need more antics.

[01:21:14] Yeah.

[01:21:16] All right.

[01:21:17] Well, it's a goodbye for me.

[01:21:18] I do love this movie.

[01:21:20] I think after rewatching it,

[01:21:22] I definitely see it from a different viewpoint than when I was younger.

[01:21:27] Having more experience in relationships being able to say like

[01:21:32] yeah, I'll dirty for this one but I don't feel that Drey is a shitty as I thought

[01:21:38] of O.R.Ev's character in Love and Basketball like after years of seeing

[01:21:42] years later seeing it.

[01:21:43] So I can sleep happy with that one and as always be kind and rewind.