Ep. 89 - Nicolas Cage: BETWEEN WORLDS (2018)

[00:00:00] I have an 18-year-old daughter and this morning she had a terrible accident. Get the crash card! I'm sorry. When I was a teenager, I almost drowned. I say you left your body. I've done it a few times.

[00:00:15] If you could save somebody like that, that would be a miracle. It has to feel like I'm drowning. Mom? Yeah. You're still here. It's been forever. You all I have, I thought I lost you. What do you remember about the accident? Not much.

[00:00:38] Do you remember anything before the accident? Not really. I know what you were going through. I know what it feels like to lose someone. My little girl, she was five. She was five. Smoke got to her before the fire did. Dad! We should ask him to stay.

[00:00:58] You're not good on your own. I missed you, majors. How do you know my last name? According to her, we're old buddies. Ha ha ha ha ha! You tempered in something that was not your business. No, you do not know your daughter. When Billy was in the hospital,

[00:01:14] her spirit laughed her body. Mine came in. I don't deserve this. Oh my God! Billy? That is Mary, my wife. That's Billy. That's my daughter. Billy is dead. That is Mary. I'm not going to go back and fix this.

[00:01:34] What do you expect me to do? Kill my wife? Ah! What are you doing? She's gonna come between us. You can't hurt her. You'll be surprised at what I can do. Don't you ever leave me alone again. Hello and welcome to The Complete Works,

[00:02:12] an in-depth look into the career and filmography of Nicholas Cage. Mike Smith joining me on this journey for one of the last times ever into the depths of true Cagedom is my friend, co-host and fellow Cage Aholic. Mike Trishio. How you doing there, Mike?

[00:02:28] I'm feeling wistful, Mike, I think to say the least. I know. Yeah, this is it, Mike. We did it. We fucking did it. 89 episodes. With an asterisk. 89 episodes into The Complete Works. We finally fucking made it. Today we are discussing our last Nicholas Cage movie. My god.

[00:02:48] Which is just incredible to me that we have made it this far and the movie we're talking about came in just under the wire during the last two weeks of 2018 and of course, Cage being Cage, I mean he has not stopped working since then. He's had a few

[00:03:04] movies that have been released since then in 2019. They have titles like Primal and Kill Chain and Score to Settle. You know, classic Nick Cage titles. Oh yeah. And he has even more lined up for 2020 and beyond including a very exciting H.B. Lovecraft adaptation

[00:03:20] called Color I Have Space which has played a few festivals and I've heard pretty good things about. Of course, the eventual Crudes 2 hashtag Crudes Cast. That's right. And recently there was a story about what's the name of the movie? It's like the something

[00:03:34] of a talented actor or whatever but it's like Nicholas Cage playing himself in a script about Nicholas Cage being Nicholas Cage and having tax problems and doing his movies and something like this crazy weird concept adaptation but even weirder. I don't know.

[00:03:46] It sounds nuts. It sounds like a perfectly Nicholas Cage movie. At some point, we will likely cover those movies as bonus episodes for whatever it is we do next. We figured since it's a little tough to get a hold of every one of Cage's 2019 releases at the moment

[00:04:00] and since we're pretty committed to doing the chronological thing it was for the best to make 2018 the cutoff. And I think we breathed a huge sigh of relief when we did that, right Mike? Yeah, yeah. I mean I don't want to say this isn't fun

[00:04:14] but like it'd be nice to have a little more free time for like a few weeks at least. Before we start working on another actor. Before we start working on another actor, yeah. Yeah. And I think we talked about one of the previous recent episodes.

[00:04:28] We're going to draw the line at having to subscribe to these insane streaming services like Fandango's streaming service or the WWE network or whatever to see some of these movies. That's true. So whenever you come readily available we'll get back to them. Yeah, I'm sure like early 2020

[00:04:44] or not, I mean 2021 I mean we'll probably end up doing some of these. I think from now on we'll end up getting into those movies or whatever when they're easier to see. But I'm also glad that this is the last movie that we're covering for the podcast Mike

[00:04:56] because in many ways this movie to me represents Nicolas Cage's entire career and I may be reading too much into it because it is the last episode of this podcast but today we are discussing a VOD sci-fi thriller called Between Worlds.

[00:05:12] Now Mike had you heard of Between Worlds at all before we sat down and watched this movie for the podcast? Absolutely not. Okay, fair. I mean we have called 2018 the year of the Cage Assance and it is that mostly because Mandy existed but also because

[00:05:28] you know we had the supporting role in Spider-Verse and he popped up in Teen Titans Go where he played a Superman and he had Mom and Dad in 2018 so there was some pretty fairly big Cage movies and Cage roles. And then there's also other Cage movies

[00:05:40] that came out in 2018 that aren't nearly as good or big like Looking Glass for example. I barely, I had to look up Looking Glass to remember what it was That's a movie we reviewed, that was like seven episodes ago. Like it wasn't that long ago and I completely

[00:05:56] purged Looking Glass out of my mind it's not there anymore. But the moment while watching Between Worlds where I made a note about it, I was like oh this sort of reminds me about that movie with the mirror

[00:06:08] and I had to go, same, had to go look it up because it's always not came out the same year as this movie. Same year, yeah which is the testament to how many movies Nicholas Cage can put out in a year. This was the record

[00:06:20] eight movies in one year 2018 which is pretty impressive even by Cage standards and 2019 I think he also grew at least six or seven so definitely a lot more Cage in the future. But Between Worlds is, to put it mildly one of the most fucking insane movies

[00:06:36] we have talked about on this podcast Do you agree with me on that Mike? It's definitely up there for sure. Yeah, I mean it's weird, it's part erotic thriller it's part sci-fi horror it's part David Lynch-esque surrealist drama This movie has everything like Stefan from SNL would say

[00:06:56] this movie has everything from the moment we first see a bearded Nicholas Cage wearing a trucker hat a mullet and at least seven giant gold rings on his fingers I knew I knew we were in for a pretty wild ride so by the time

[00:07:12] the end credits roll I was not sure if I just watched a disaster or a masterpiece but I'm very excited to dig into what I saw with you. I think it isn't that sweet spot between disaster and masterpiece where the great Nicholas Cage roles tend to lie

[00:07:24] and it's why Between Worlds is the ultimate movie to end this podcast on because it is emblematic of everything that we've done leading up to this point and sometimes I think it's deliberately so I think at moments I think it is calling back

[00:07:36] deliberately to other movies that Cage has made throughout his career and again that may be just me having hosted a Nicholas Cage podcast for four years and being pretty intimately familiar with Nicholas Cage's career where I'm starting to see patterns. I feel like that gift of Charlie Day

[00:07:52] it's always in Philadelphia doing the carol in the background but that's what I feel like watching Between Worlds. I'm like this is this and all that stuff. Did you have the same experience watching Between Worlds as I did Mike? Absolutely not, Mike I'm... no look

[00:08:08] so I'm very excited for you to talk me into liking this movie that's happened many times on this podcast but I think my real life outside podcast circumstances of when I watched this movie just made me not like this at all. I was

[00:08:24] just at a board game convention all weekend and you know came home Sunday night had to go to work Monday worked all day came home and had to watch this hour and a half. I mean it's insane like it is totally bonkers and it's goofy

[00:08:36] and fun but just like I was just tired and mad that I had to do it and I just didn't like it so I'm excited for you to explain everything to me and why it is the best because it'll be a fun discussion at least.

[00:08:50] Yes I'm excited to get into that but before we do got a run down the cast as we always do Nicholas Cage stars in the movie as Joe a trucker who lost his wife and young daughter many years ago one day he meets

[00:09:02] up with a woman named Julie at a gas station who has the ability to travel to the spirit world and bring souls back to their bodies and she's played by Franka Potente from Run Lowell Run and the Born Identity and at the start of

[00:09:14] the movie her daughter Billy slips into a coma after a motorcycle crash and Julie uses her power to bring her back Billy is played by Penelope Mitchell known for her roles on Hemlock Grove and the Vampire Diaries from there it's mostly unknowns you're scoffing over there

[00:09:28] the Vampire Diaries it was a very popular show Mike I didn't watch it. One of my co-workers just watched the entire series he loved it so that's great Hey there you go so you got one fan now you can tell them they'll watch

[00:09:40] Between Worlds and be like hey Penelope Mitchell she was in the Vampire Diaries from there it's mostly unknowns the Billy's friend Mike who has a crush on her in the movie is played by Garrett Clayton who starred in a Disney Channel movie called Teen

[00:09:54] Beach Movie which I remember seeing that when Disney Plus unveiled like it's lineup on Twitter and I remember seeing it and being like that looks like a fake movie but it's real it's a thing and you can watch it on Disney Plus

[00:10:04] I guess. His pal Rick in the movie by the way is played by Hopper Penn the son of actor Sean Penn who starred with Nicholas Cage in Fast Times, Where Is My High and Racing With The Moon so we're not even at Cage reunions anymore

[00:10:18] at the end of this podcast Mike now we're Cage starring with his old Costa Har's kids in movies Cage's father Kirby appears towards the end he's played by David Lee Smith of CSI Miami and finally Cage's dead wife Mary is played by Lydia Hurst

[00:10:34] the daughter of Patty Hurst and the wife of Chris Hardwick in real life and she also appeared in the Haunting of Sharon Tate which was kind of like I don't know a Manson'sploitation movie I guess that came out around the same time as One Spontane

[00:10:46] in Hollywood. Now I mentioned that the film was part David Lynch esque surrealist drama and that definitely seems to be a pretty major influence here you've been texting me asking me is this like a Twin Peaks thing? What's going on? They even got David Lynch's composer

[00:11:02] actually Angela Badelementi to perform the theme music over the opening credits the rest of it is composed by somebody else who I think was very clearly trying to ape Angela Badelementi's music throughout the movie there's one recurring bit which I think is when you text me

[00:11:16] that sounds especially like the music in the Black Lodge from Twin Peaks that's my impression of the Black Lodge music Careful we're going to get copyright to struck so real You've taken this down, yeah Now the film was written and directed by Maria Pulera

[00:11:36] and it's certainly I believe she's the first female director that Cage has worked with since 1983's Valley Girl which is a long time Oh shit She had previously directed a TV movie called Falsely Accused in 2016 with Rosanna Arquett and Leed and it's currently in pre-production

[00:11:54] on a film called El Matador according to IMDb So Between Worlds got released on December 21st 2018 just a week after the last movie we reviewed Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse Now this was a year without a Star Wars movie being released in December

[00:12:10] So a lot of blockbusters were trying to take that spot for the season so on this day you had the release of Aquaman over at WB You also had the very solid Transformers spin-off Bumblebee coming out that same day and you had Disney's own Mary Poppins Returns

[00:12:24] which I really liked, it's got dancing cartoons it's a delight Did you ever see any of those movies Mike? I have seen most of Aquaman that I believe on HBO and that's about it Okay, gosh I wasn't sure you would see an Aquaman

[00:12:38] or I guess most of it at this point I remember we were going to review Aquaman around this time last year and then we kind of just decided that it was too difficult to do between the holidays so we couldn't get Aquaman

[00:12:50] done in time and I didn't think you ended up seeing it Really quick, what's your brief thoughts on Aquaman? Like yeah, sure for watching the last hour on HBO like yeah, why not, sure I got to see the Pitbull Africa cover part and that was worth it

[00:13:08] That might be the ideal way to watch the movies just randomly coming onto an HBO one point This year by the way we are going to be doing our Star Wars episode We are moving heaven and earth to make that happen for Mike and Mike Goad movies

[00:13:22] so there is that at least to look forward to Now the IMDB plot synopsis for Between Worlds reads Meet some mother who can contact spirits when suffocating Her daughter is dying and Joe helps the mother spiritually contact the daughter and save her, unfortunately

[00:13:38] the spirit in the daughter's body is now that of Joe's dead wife Don't you hate when that happens Mike? Ken, we know all we're late I really thought it was just going to be that for a sentence and I would have been so happy So happy

[00:13:56] Alright, so Mike, I'm going to ask you what your overall thoughts on the movie are It sounds like you were not a huge fan No, I was not a huge fan of Between Worlds Mostly I think honestly like I chalking it up to just being tired and like

[00:14:10] grumpy and wanting to be asleep instead of having to watch this insane stupid hour and a half Nick Cage relationship drama thing and I mean like it has its moments for sure and it's funny and I'm sure you'll talk about the moments that

[00:14:24] really made you think that this might be the best movie that you've ever seen for Nick Cage, your favorite movie of the podcast and I can't wait to hear what they are but for a long time I was just so confused about why we start

[00:14:38] this first act that establishes we can go to the spirit world and then we have about like 45 minutes of just like this stupid Southern Gothic relationship drama thing going on and I wanted hard sci-fi like what it's not hard sci-fi

[00:14:54] but you know what I mean, I wanted it to be a stupid weird like pay the ghost level like spirit world drama thriller thing and it's not at all it's like Killer Joe It completely abandons the sci-fi stuff about 20 minutes in and then it comes

[00:15:12] back with a vengeance towards the end it's incredible really does yeah no I think this movie is either a total disaster or a secret work of genius I am leaning towards the genius I am leaning towards that way it is, like I mentioned before

[00:15:30] it's one of the most insane movies we've discussed in this podcast, I think that's true and this is a podcast that has covered movies like Vampires Kiss, Face Off, Adaptation The Ant Bully which is also an insane movie Next, Knowing the Ant Bully is a series of

[00:15:46] movies that have a content protocol New Orleans left behind inconceivable like these were all fucking bonkers off the charts movies right and this movie Between Worlds is up there with those movies it seriously is, it's bananas at no point in that first 20 minutes

[00:16:06] of the movie do Nicholas Cage and Franco Potente ever seem like they're in the same conversation characters are often just like laughably wooden but that's the movie goes on and it seems to abandon the sci-fi stuff and become this like erotic thriller slash glorified porn film

[00:16:22] and then it goes way harder than the sci-fi stuff like I mentioned towards the end and it gets weird and gross and bonkers and I kind of loved the experience this movie put me on a roller coaster ride of what the fuck is happening

[00:16:36] this and I really just enjoy being on that ride especially when it's a Nicholas Cage joint which we've gotten you know quite a few of those throughout the course of this podcast and I'm grateful for that you know my big fear

[00:16:46] ending the Cage podcast and moving on to a new actor is that we're not going to have these kind of insane gems as often you know yeah that's fair unless we pick an equally insane actor but there is no actor that is quite

[00:16:58] like Nicholas Cage you know it's the closing of a chapter in the opening of something new but definitely it's gonna be interesting to see how that changes but okay so this movie is insane Nicholas Cage also insane in this movie what did you think of him

[00:17:12] in this role he just felt so I don't know it felt like I can't believe this is the same person that was in Mandy he just looks like our bitch compared to how he looks in Mandy and it's only two movies ago I don't understand

[00:17:26] three how many movies ago that was yeah I think it was Mandy Spider-Verse and then this yeah that's how it went yeah um but I don't yeah and it's just like he's he this is clearly a paycheck movie whereas Mandy is this you know art quote unquote cinema

[00:17:42] TM kind of thing and um but yeah I mean it's fine he's fine in this like for what's going on it really reminded me a lot of like of Killer Joe which is Matthew McConaughey movie right but just like the sleazy gross guy who's like

[00:17:58] making out with the woman like oh come to daddy he'll make it all better and drinking cold syrup cold medicine stuff or pain medicine I guess or whatever's going on um yeah it's just gross and dirty and like that's fine I guess I don't know I was just

[00:18:14] he's okay you know man that's that's a bummer to hear you say that because I think Cage is amazing in this movie uh he is he is so glad Mike I'm so happy for you he's delivering an insane performance in this movie to

[00:18:28] match the insanity of the movie a lot of times if the movies insane Cage is playing it straight like an inconceivable Cage is mostly playing like a relatively straight straight man kind of thing he's barely in the movie actually with inconceivable uh

[00:18:40] or with left behind you know he's playing like you know the tough pilot guy who doesn't really have that much to do in the movie but he's like playing it straight the entire time this time around the movies insane and Cage

[00:18:50] is right along with it he's having a blast in this movie a lot of the movie is just him having sex uh first with uh Frank Vintente and then with her daughter Billy who is possessed by the spirit of his which we refer to in the envy

[00:19:02] plot synopsis but we really should emphasize because that's insane uh and you know he's the kind of character when like when someone asks him if he wants a beer he says does the tin man have a sheet metal cock which was my favorite line in the movie

[00:19:16] I'm glad we both wrote that line down but I think you know it's weird you brought up Mandy just a minute ago and I actually was reminded of Mandy through this performance like it's obviously a very different movie than Mandy Mandy is a much better movie than

[00:19:28] World's Hits but I feel like he's going through a lot of the same emotions in this movie it's like grief and arousal and grief arousal it feels like a similar performance even though it's a very different kind of character and a very different kind of movie this is

[00:19:44] like the Pornhub equivalent of Mandy basically that's how I feel like I feel like there were a lot of scenes that felt like you know if they had gone slightly further they would fit in really well and it would be an important

[00:19:58] the way things were set up were like characters would be watching from the windows or whatever and being like who just the acting quality and those sequences and the way they're shot and framed to kind of remind me I think we said the same thing about

[00:20:12] Trespass, the Joel Schumacher movie with Nicole Kidman I think we said the same thing about that there was those flashbacks in the movie where Nicole Kidman is talking to the pool boy or whatever this is those flashbacks but for the running time

[00:20:26] you know that sex scene in Drive Angry where it's just the camera flipping around spinning around them it's like that mostly yeah I mean you know here's the thing I don't think this tops the sex scene in Drive Angry where he's like in the middle of a gunfight

[00:20:40] while he's doing while he's having sex or not only in the gunfight but he's also drinking a bottle of whiskey and chomping on a big cigar while that's happening this doesn't top that however there was a moment that we'll talk about

[00:20:52] in a few minutes where it comes very close to topping that for me and I feel like you know exactly what I'm talking about but maybe you don't I don't really oh man

[00:21:04] I'm seeing the look on your face and there's one moment that stood out to me so much like I couldn't believe what I was seeing we'll talk about it in a minute but yeah so that's Nicole's Cages movie how do you think this fits into the

[00:21:14] roles that we've seen Nicole's Cage play in other movies Mike? of any movie that seems appropriate to say the natural evolution of Nicole's Cage's performance as we've seen so far it's this one no yeah I mean it kind of does though

[00:21:30] I feel like you pointing out that the similarities between his character and Mandy and what's going on in this one I think that is actually a pretty apt description I didn't catch onto that or apt comparison didn't pick up

[00:21:42] see this is what happens when you're a sleepy boy Mike and you have to watch movies you miss stuff it did feel a lot much more akin to those kind of movies like you referenced before like Stolen or Seeking Justice or Rage

[00:21:58] or one of those kind of movies and by the way despite Stolerman's rage he is still just Nicole's Cage how could I almost forgotten that in the last episode we need to take a nap we need a nap break but yeah I don't know it feels a lot

[00:22:16] more like those streaming movies obviously it is we had such a promising rise for a moment there for a brief moment we were flying close to the sun and now we're coming back to this kind of movie although in your opinion it's great movie I mean great movie

[00:22:34] in like quotation marks I'm saying it's a bonkers good time it's great in the sense that I think it's like bananas and wild if I looked at it like objectively or like wanting compelling dialogue or something it's a great movie let's just leave it like that I guess

[00:22:54] but you know Cage this movie I think what I'm saying in Competence Cage's entire career I think it does that but specifically it feels like the ultimate VOD era Cage movie Mandy is like the R House Cage and Mandy was like

[00:23:12] the VOD release and then went to theaters and stuff like that but this feels like the best possible version of the actual movies that Cage has been making over the 2010s like Mandy is an outlier Mandy's great but it's an outlier you know like your Mandy

[00:23:28] and your Joes of the World like those are very few and far between the movies like Between Worlds are the kind of movies that Cage typically makes 8 of in a year and this is like the best version of these movies to me but it also

[00:23:44] I feel like it encapsulates a lot of the biggest elements of some of the other VOD Cage movies I mean as Cage caught in a love triangle between two women in the same household one of which is much younger which is the plot of Inconceivable Inconceivable

[00:23:56] which the movie I feel like this reminded me the most of actually so there was that I also think this movie's connection to spirits traveling between their world and ours brought back memories of Pay the Ghost which you referenced earlier that also has Cage's

[00:24:08] kid stuck in the spirit realm in that movie too Cage's character is named Joe by the way which is a potential reference to the movie Joe I think he's played a Joe in a couple of movies including Bangkok Dangerous I think his character's name is Joe

[00:24:20] in that movie also I maybe make that up I'm not sure and then there's the way he reads certain lines the way he says when he gets introduced to Franco Potente at the beginning right after he finds her

[00:24:32] being choked in the bathroom and then he beats up the guy and then she says why did you do that because he was joking you and then she answers the phone and she's like oh good my daughter's alive is what

[00:24:44] well dig more into that scene in a minute but right after that scene you know she's like do you have a family and he like shows a picture of his wife and daughter and he's like oh yeah wife and her daughter

[00:24:54] and he's like oh well that's he's like oops they're dead which I'm pretty sure it was the voice he used in Army of One or whatever it felt like his army of one voice like peeking out for a second when he said that oh my god

[00:25:08] you have kids family wife and daughter are you like oh beautiful oops they're dead that's terrible I mean I'm sorry well I have an 18 year old daughter her name is Billy and this morning she had a terrible accident and

[00:25:39] I got the call like an hour before you showed up what the hell does that have to do with getting strangled look I don't expect you to understand this okay but it was the only way I could help my daughter oh god I'm so witty shit oh

[00:25:57] I don't know could you give me a lift to mobile is that siren that was a siren wasn't it and of course you know this movie has very obviously ever heavily inspired by David Lynch in 20 Beaks and Nicholas Cage starred in an actual David Lynch movie

[00:26:18] at one point wow that hearts back in 1990 like when I say like you know again I feel once again like Charlie Day and it's always Cindy Philadelphia putting the things together and like trying to see it's all connected but like it is it's all

[00:26:34] it's all coming back around any of that convince you this is a good movie or should I keep going I mean I think I think you're right you're on to something there I definitely definitely see the connections there between especially Joe I definitely noticed Joe as a connection

[00:26:50] I was like oh yeah remember that really good art house movie that he was in I kept thinking the whole time I mean yeah the definitely David Lynch connection and honestly even it's like a closer connection than Glass which I feel like we definitely talked

[00:27:06] about had that kind of like weird dream like thing that a lot of Lynch Lynch stuff going on like in the hotel room and that was the last I my note was that it's been awhile since we had an erotic thriller but I forgot that looking glass was

[00:27:20] seven movies ago and came out this year is this so it's really hasn't been a while but but this does feel like it feels like the perfect blend between worlds feels like that weird perfect blend between that early Nicholas Cage like stuff that would be in

[00:27:40] movies like Zendley and leaving Las Vegas and Red Rock West and I already forgot the David Lynch movie that you just said before Wild at Heart man Wild at Heart I can all I could think was Snake Skin Jacket but that wasn't the name of the movie

[00:27:58] wouldn't have been a bad name for the movie though yeah but then also the Nicholas Cage that was in those movies and also in Trespass and Seeking Justice and all these shitty straight to VOD movies it is a good blend of those two hemispheres

[00:28:12] of Cage's career right and that's why I think this is like the perfect movie to end the podcast on basically like it feels like it encapsulates everything about Nicholas Cage into one movie like we talked about Mandy saying that is like the ultimate

[00:28:24] Cage performance it's everything he's been building up to for his entire career but this might be the ultimate Cage movie you know with the ultimate movie that like yes encompasses cages like entire like the kinds of movies Cage has made all throughout

[00:28:38] his all-throws career so yeah I'm glad you're kind of with me on that one but any one of the moments are scenes in between worlds to sit out to you Mike I know you were like sleepy and tired when you watch

[00:28:46] the movie I have a goal this year but if you have anything that you want to mention please feel free I want to pull one pull a page out of your book and focus in on a word that they said so many times in this

[00:28:56] movie and they just said it like slightly weird okay and instead of saying we have to get the load to Biloxi they said Biloxi the entire movie when he's talking about where he needs to drive the truck and he kept saying Biloxi just

[00:29:12] really hitting that oh and I just like hyper fixated on it and was like what is happening yeah I mean there is some stuff like that too and I think part of that you know it's not even just Cage

[00:29:24] it's Frank Potenti also but she also has like kind of a thick German accent in the movie yeah she has like one sentence where she asks him to take her to mobile Alabama but the way she says it is just really fast

[00:29:36] can you take me to Mobile like it's you know that's how she says it and it sounds like it sounds like she's asking him to let her in his automobile and but like just like contracting all the words basically it's very very strange

[00:29:52] but yeah I mean we got to talk about I think it's time it could go from the beginning and then just kind of knock down all my bullet points here you know we first see Cage you know we see him he's sitting in his car

[00:30:02] and he's got the trucker hat and the rings on his fingers and stuff like that he walks into the gas station we get a dramatic close up of the cashier's butt crack yep and it just kind of pans up and you see his entire

[00:30:14] butt crack and Cage walks in and Cage says just ring it up Ricardo he elongates the A in Ricardo which was an incredible introduction to that character and that's when Cage goes to the bathroom and sees this guy choking Franco Potente in the bathroom and Cage

[00:30:34] hits the guy like knocks him out and says like you don't treat women that way or something which is actually I looked it up it's the same line he says in the bar fight in Conair also just throwing that out there yeah it's pretty wild I know

[00:30:50] Charlie Day and then that guy runs away and he gets knocked out Franco Potente is like you ruined everything he's like I saved your life and then she runs away she gets a phone call and she's like oh it's fine

[00:31:04] my daughter was in a coma she was in a motorcycle accident this morning but she's touched it was touched and go for a while but she's okay now and that was just such a huge like info drop and like I had no idea what was happening because whatever

[00:31:16] she was gonna say when she got off that phone that was not the thing I would have expected her to say I got the test back I definitely have breast cancer that's exactly what it was it was like that first 20 minutes is like the room level incomprehensible

[00:31:34] it's amazing and then she goes on to explain that Franco Potente has drowned when she was like the movie opens with like an image of like a little girl in like a lake that is like drowning but then she comes up and survives

[00:31:46] and that I guess was Franco Potente when she was a kid and she explains that she had this near death experience drowning when she was a kid and now when she's close to death she can travel to the spirit world and bring souls back to their bodies

[00:31:58] and that's the thing that she can do and it seems like that's gonna be the plot of the movie and it is kinda but you know cause the reason she was being choked in the bathroom unless she painted out a choker so that she can go to

[00:32:10] the spirit world retrieve her daughter's body in a coma and then bring her back down to earth and she doesn't seem like that concerned that her daughter is in a coma like when she's talking to the nip-less cage about it you know that's also the thing

[00:32:22] when she goes out the phone it's like man it was touching go my daughter was in a motorcycle accident she was in a coma but she's good now alright like that and it happened this morning like it was this morning that it happened like she wasn't at a

[00:32:36] like you would think she would be at the hospital in a hospital bathroom getting choked or something like that like she would be closer to that but it was a very strange thing there so she explains the whole thing to cage

[00:32:48] they go to the hospital and they like go again and then cage has to like choker again because it didn't work the first time, she had to go back and get her and so if she finally gets her and she wakes up the daughter

[00:33:00] and stuff like that there's also like a magical negro character that movies have sometimes yeah the mystical black woman, the nurse for some reason seems to know everything that's going on do they ever explain why she knows everything about the spirit world or anything that's just left open

[00:33:16] I think you hit the nail on the head with that trope it's just that's what it is, it's a magical negro it's very strange especially because that's a trope that has been like like it has been studied and dissected for years and years and years

[00:33:28] like there's no way to unironically do that trope anymore you know and this movie does it it does it it's very strange it's very weird but yeah so anyway they save the daughter or so they think and they

[00:33:46] the daughter wakes up and she kind of says some weird stuff to cage she's like oh you're still here and she's like oh yeah I can go I was like no you're always here or something like that weird spooky shit David Lynch asks things where

[00:34:00] none of it actually makes sense but it's intriguing you know I say that as somebody who's a massive David Lynch and Twin Peaks fan but yeah so they end up taking Billy home and then the rest of the movie essentially abandons the sci-fi stuff for a long time

[00:34:12] like we said before it just kind of has like Cage and Franco Potente they start up a relationship and stuff like that but Franco Potente is like oh but you can't sleep in my bed because she can't know that we're dating and they're not hiding it very well

[00:34:26] throughout the movie having sex in the living room all the time yeah it's basically like 45 minutes where like it's just that that kind of like weird erotic thriller drama that's happening and then you have I think one of my favorite scenes

[00:34:42] in the movie actually which is like a deliberately funny scene is when Mike and Rick show up Billy's two friends they show up at the door and Franco Potente is like yeah she fell in with a bad crowd and Rick is like oh man yeah

[00:34:56] those guys are rich and Mike's like she means us and Rick's like oh great acting from from Sean Penn's son right there from Hopper Penn good on him we're at like the 30 minute mark of the movie what's your overall take on what we've seen so far Mike

[00:35:16] like I mentioned before I was ready for this pay the ghost level spirit world thriller thing cause that's what it starts and that's what's going on we're getting choked out in truck stop bathrooms and shit and I was like oh hell yes and then it spins off

[00:35:30] and does this you know like white trash erotic thriller thing and I just wasn't really about it that much I mean for that part at least it does get kind of crazy and fun for a while there like there's the scene before Cage I think fully recognizes

[00:35:46] what's going on where she like says like oh I'm your wife or think I don't really remember I'm not a witch I'm your wife no no but I wish where he's on the couch and they're watching like fucking animal planet or whatever and the daughter like

[00:36:04] puts a blanket over him and starts like jerking him off under the blanket while the mom is behind the couch and he's like well I can help make dinner he's like nah it's okay and that was fucking hilarious there's no denying that that was really funny

[00:36:20] yes there's so many scenes like that in this movie though in that in that erotic thriller stretch like it seems like a parody of erotic thrillers something like that at some points I mean okay so as soon as cage learns the truth that his dead wife Mary

[00:36:32] has possessed Billy like he's all in like he barely even questions it you know he's confused a little bit when it first happens like she says something like you know she calls him into her room and she's like wearing

[00:36:44] a like he's wearing her shirt but it's like kind of open and she's in a seductive pose and everything and she's like oh what are you talking about majors or whatever which I guess is Cage's last name which he apparently never told Julie his last name despite

[00:36:56] the fact they've been dating for a couple of weeks now and you know and he's like how do you know that name or something what's my mother's name Martha and he she just says as much things that make him realize oh you're Mary and then

[00:37:14] they just start having sex and that's basically the rest of the movie and they don't even like they act as if they gotta try to hide it from Julie they don't even remotely try to hide it from Julie it's like amazing this is seeing where Billy is spraying

[00:37:26] Nicholas Cage with the hose while he dances in the water and it a is my new favorite Nicholas Cage gift of all time B it's amazing and hilarious and Julie is like watching it as it happens and she has like this curious expression on her face like

[00:37:40] what could be going on between the two of them yeah and the relationship is sure changing exactly and also it goes on forever it does a lot it's like a 90 second scene of Cage dancing in the water and it's incredible Cage in a tank top with the beard

[00:37:58] and the hair flowing around going all over the place it's great I mentioned before there's like one you know there's a scene that comes very close to topping the sex scene in Drive Angry and it's the sex scene in this movie where Cage and Billy are having sex

[00:38:12] or Cage and Billy possessed by his dead wife Mary they're having sex and she's screaming and she's moaning and she says read to me from memories and Cage pulls out a book that says and I'm not joking this is really what happens in the movie

[00:38:26] Memories by Nicholas Cage Nicholas Cage is the author of this book not Nicholas Cage's character in the movie it's not a book that his character wrote it's not like Memories by Joe it's Memories by Nicholas Cage and it's all and it's all stuff like

[00:38:46] oh I stuffed my cock into this thing and it's all like erotic poems that Nicholas Cage has written I would not have believed my eyes if they didn't cut away from that scene and then cut back to it and he was still holding the book it is unreal

[00:39:04] first off I missed that the name on the book was Nicholas Cage so this changes everything about this movie second off did you google did you do research and find if this is a real book that people can buy

[00:39:18] that was the first thing I did as soon as I ended the movie as soon as the movie was over I googled that book it does not actually exist well what's even the point then we gotta cancel the whole podcast I know Nicholas Cage was asked about this

[00:39:32] he and Maria Pallera the director were talking about this weird fourth wall break kind of comedy and he was like yeah this is kind of like he was talking about it it may break the movie but it's an experiment that I want to try to go down

[00:39:46] I want to try to do this and see if it works because of course it does Nicholas Cage wants to try crazy shit and he delivers it's memory by Nicholas Cage I legit screamed when I saw when he pulled out the book and it said by Nicholas Cage

[00:40:00] and I'm so bummed that you didn't miss it I guess you were too tired and didn't notice that detail but yeah it's crazy that that exists and he compared it to the books Choppin' of Cancer and Choppin' of Cat Recorder and like in his when people were asking

[00:40:14] about it he was like yeah it's like Choppin' of Cancer it's like you know the way he's like the author kind of inserts himself and these like sensual books and things like that that's how I pictured memory by Nicholas

[00:40:22] like he had a whole backstory from memories by Nicholas Cage of course he does he had snakes for hands in a movie Mike yeah outcast which uh you know I remember the snakes on the hands more than I remember anything about outcast

[00:40:36] yeah there was snakes on his hands if only Cage had snake hands in this movie now that's an erotic thriller and then I think it's like surely after that sequence when Julie discovers them having sex which is also one of the funniest things in the movie

[00:40:54] because she gets back from the house she goes to visit the magical black lady and like tries to see what's going on and he's like oh you messed with things you shouldn't have messed with and you know that kind of thing it's very um Pirates of the Caribbean 2

[00:41:08] with the oh god with like the gypsy character that Naomi Harris plays but she like comes back and you hear like the car door close and you hear her enter the house and Cage's like oh did you hear something and Billy's like I think it was the cat

[00:41:22] and Cage's like oh okay takes him to seconds like you don't have a cat and but they don't stop having sex they're still having sex while it's happening and then Julie walks through the door and you just see them having sex in the foreground and Julie like

[00:41:40] enter the door like she completely oblivious until she walks it and literally like locks eyes onto them like she just hears anything going on in the scene it's very much like there's a scene where they came together where Paul Rudd gets home from work

[00:41:54] and his girlfriend is cheating on him and he doesn't realize it like as she's having sex with Michael Ian Black in the room and it's that scene but like played completely straight and it's amazing and then she screams like oh Julie's home run out

[00:42:12] and then Cage runs out there and he's like still in his underwear and she's like you're having sex with my daughter and so you don't understand she's my dead wife and she's like what that doesn't make any sense she's like yes it does

[00:42:22] and she's like no it doesn't it's ridiculous yeah Cage still is in his underwear and she's like puts some pants on your gross city and he's like what makes you say that like it's bananas this movie's insane and I love it so much

[00:42:38] this really feels like you know like a left behind or inconceivable where it's like I can recognize the movie it's like not actually very good but like it's insane amazing at the same time it's the room you know it's the room

[00:42:50] it's close it's close to that kind of thing yeah so anyway after that whole sequence you know Cage and Billy kind of decide they gotta get out of there or Cage and Billy slash Mary gotta decide that

[00:43:02] they gotta get out of there get back to their old house which burned down back in the day which is what killed Mary in the first place and also their 5 year old daughter and so they knock Julie out as she's trying to help Julie like confronts Cage

[00:43:14] like we gotta get rid of Billy or Mary or whoever and she's like hmm yeah maybe you have a point Billy knocks her out and they go it's some Bugs Bunny shit it really is and then they go meet up with Mike and Rick

[00:43:28] and Billy shows up and he's like you got any eater on here and I love Mike's reply I think we got some waffle fries some miracle whip and some fruit roll ups in the kitchen and I desperately wanted her

[00:43:38] to open the fridge and to have those three items be the only thing the only things that were in there I desperately wanted to see like just those three things but that was not the case she does open the fridge but only has like a ploy

[00:43:50] to make it seem like she's actually doing things so Cage can sneak into the back with a baseball bat and just start swinging around doing shit I'm not even entirely sure why they attacked her friends maybe just to get a car, was that the plan

[00:44:02] I honestly don't remember I don't know if they ever explain it I think it might have been to get a car so they can get to no because Cage had his own car now I'm thinking about it or not stole the truck, they repossessed the truck

[00:44:16] so it doesn't make car okay yes, yeah they go in and they accidentally kill Rick while they're there Rick has a gun or actually Mike's gun but Rick grabs it and Cage grabs it from him and then accidentally shoots him while he's tackling him

[00:44:32] and Billy's like we gotta go, it's fine whatever and then we kind of fast forward a little bit Mike teams up with Julie and they go chase after Cage and Billy slash Mary which is burned down and it's kind of the ruins of the house

[00:44:46] and you're there and you see Cage crying at a jack in the box that his daughter used to play with and he's like two-fully kind of yeah, the pop goes the weasel song he's like cranking the jack in the box

[00:44:58] and it's like do do do do do do do while Cage is like sobbing uncontrollably yeah, it's really weird it's incredible, it's great and then you know it's them kind of living in the house and they're trying to figure out it seems very clear that Billy's plan

[00:45:12] is to kill both her and Cage to bring him back to the spirit world with, to complete the family back in the spirit world once again and Cage we should mention is getting progressively drunker as the rest of the movie goes on

[00:45:24] to the point where like the last 15 minutes of the movie he is basically unintelligible he is slurring all of his dialogue and just kind of sort of like like the Cage we love and there's another great moment where like they just have no

[00:45:42] awareness of what's happening around them that's a recurring thing with Cage and Billy is that they don't hear noises around them I guess because they, or when they do it's like right as they're happening so when they're at the house Julie and Mike

[00:45:56] show up and Mike has a gun and Cage's like do you hear that? what was that? and Mike enters and says one of my other favorite lines in the movie which is that was your conscience and he goes like that was a shit I forgot about that honestly

[00:46:14] which is also great and then that's when it gets revealed that Mary actually killed their daughter intentionally and she set the house on fire because she had like deep problems or whatever and Cage was gone all the time as a trucker and she's like

[00:46:28] I don't handle myself good when I'm alone and that kind of thing so what do you think of the reveal as the movie's going on? what do you think of how that played out? I mean by that point like yeah sure why not who cares what's going on

[00:46:44] it's like the end of I mean it's not exactly like this but the end of kiss kiss bang bang where it's like yeah sure bring everybody back but for me it was like yeah go ahead do every twist go ahead do it all and it was fun

[00:47:00] fair enough yeah I mean all sequences crazy and then they end up kind of kill it like they shoot Billy and then you know they're off on their own thing or Julie also gets shot too I think at some point yeah Julie gets shot

[00:47:12] and eventually it ends with Cage kind of alone in her room and he hit the jack in the box again and he's crying and the song leader of the pack is playing and I don't know why I don't know why it's playing

[00:47:24] it's a catchy song it's a fun juxtaposition between all the terrible shit that's going on but there's like nothing in the lyrics of that song and I think this should be playing right now I don't know it's a very weird choice but the song leader

[00:47:36] of the pack is playing Cage is crying at the jack in the box once again because now he realizes that his daughter died because his wife is the one who set her on fire and things like that and then Cage dowses himself in gasoline which is there

[00:47:52] it's just there he dowses himself in gasoline lights a cigarette sets himself on fire and then presumably dies I guess so just the image of that Cage like on fire and not even reacting to being on fire which I guess is probably because he was blackout drunk

[00:48:10] but he's blackout drunk he's lighting a cigarette while he's on fire dowsing himself in gasoline, leader of the pack is playing it's just this perfect combination of imagery that I was like this movie is amazing I'm gonna remember this movie way more fondly than I remember stuff

[00:48:26] like the humanity bureau what movie? I don't even know what you're talking about exactly or 211 or Looking Glass or any of these shitty VOD movies that we've talked about Between World is going for something man it's reaching and it's I don't know if it's succeeding but it's reaching

[00:48:44] and it's wild interesting that it bookends the movie with the two leads like traumatic childhood events theoretically if that's young joe that shoots his dad interesting, after that sequence where Cage lights himself on fire it flashes back and it seems like it's a flashback to young Cage

[00:49:02] shooting his dad in that flashback sequence and that's actually an interesting point I didn't think about how it bookends because opening shots of the movie are Julie in her drowning incident when she was a kid that fits even better than I thought good job yeah there you go

[00:49:20] I was so confused by that I got the idea behind the flashback but it seemed like an oddly placed one I didn't realize it until you mentioned that the drowning girl at the beginning is probably Julie and was like oh yeah

[00:49:34] this thing at the end has got to be that and there you go yeah it bookends the movie with the traumatic events see there's layers to Between World's mic I think we're going to be analyzing this movie for years to come

[00:49:46] I will be seeing Maria Pooleira's next movie just to see if she's like the next David Lynch or something I need to know more about this insanity maybe he really was the leader of the pack yes it's like the Denny Villeneuve thing but who is the real blank

[00:50:04] that you have done on Slash Phone Cast that's the thing with the movies of Denny Villeneuve where you can kind of take the title of many of his movies add the question but who is the real Sicario or who is the real enemy essentially

[00:50:20] yeah who is the real Between World's who is really Between World's I guess that could actually be the thematic thing about the movie Eddie we can't just reach the end of the movie did I convince you that it was good you know what

[00:50:40] I kinda want to watch it again well I can't believe you've done this to me so many times I've done this to you yeah the good news is Between World's is available on Netflix for anybody who wants to watch it right now

[00:50:52] and I highly recommend that you do because it is fucking bonkers I want to say left behind and inconceivable are both also still on Netflix and if they are that is maybe the most insane triple feature you could ever watch in your life oh man

[00:51:08] that would be a lot of fun actually I would love to program a Nicholas Cage marathon that is just the insane VOD stuff to show people what they are missing out on but yeah that is Between World's I think we did a good job encapsulating the entire movie

[00:51:22] but do you have any other lingering thoughts from any random scenes or whatever you wanted to throw out there before we move on to a lot of box reviews no not really I'm just glad we have that gift of Nicholas Cage dancing in the hose now

[00:51:36] it is my favorite thing of all time as soon as the movie ended I looked up whether memory's been Nicholas Cage was a real book and then B when I realized it wasn't I looked up Between World's gift

[00:51:50] to see what would pop up and that was the very first one that popped up and I was very glad that that existed so yeah Nicholas Cage dancing in the hose that is cinema right there that is cinema baby

[00:52:00] alright so let's move on to the other box reviews wait you need to do that fucking the Joker meme thing or it is like the death bells or freedom but do that gift sorry yes I feel like that we haven't seen that meme in a while

[00:52:18] but this is bring it back that would be the one alright let's move on to letter box reviews for Between World I got a four star review here from Jacob Knight who pretty much I kind of aligned with him on this movie

[00:52:32] like listening to a crack ho read from the Tibetan Book of the Dead before immediately expiring afterwards in the running for skankiest movie ever made yeah which is correct here's a two and a half star review from letter box which reads somehow Mandy wasn't the most

[00:52:52] insane fucking thing Nick Cage would make in 2018 how could I have possibly downed it I'm not sure if this movie deserves 10 stars or minus 100 hell you'd have to break the film down minute by minute and it would wildly alternate Nick Cage I'm glad to report is pure

[00:53:10] 100% cage here he and the hugely underrated frankenburg 10 days characters spend most of the film high or drunk and I'm positive that's how they turned up to work on this film it's a movie where Nicholas Cage fucks his girlfriend's daughter because she's possessed by the spirit of his

[00:53:24] dead wife while reading a book of poetry written by Nicholas Cage which has such flowery verse as Drizzly your peach juice all over my golden cock so I guess you could say it's kind of like the room meets David Lynch yeah if nothing else

[00:53:40] if I remember nothing else in this movie if I overestimated how much I'm gonna remember I still feel like memories by Nicholas Cage will be burned into my brain as like how could that have happened here's a three star review of between and worlds which reads is

[00:53:56] this a good movie of course it isn't is it worth watching of course it is some cage lights like cage highlights they call them cage lights beats up someone while yelling next time why don't you wrestle a man gator which I believe he's referring to himself as

[00:54:12] I forgot about that laughs inappropriately throughout most of the movie insists on talking about the exorcist while having sex answers the question do you want to be with does the tin man have a sheet metal cock again the best line in the movie

[00:54:28] has a spirited defense of okra okra while receiving a hand job delivers the ordinary line I don't give a goddamn what the law says like the world will be saved if he says better than anybody else ever has and he does is drunk at least

[00:54:46] 85% the movie I suspect for real does Rick flair who's while having sex multiple times reads poetry from a book that he has written question mark while having sex has sex repeatedly mother daughter dead wife whatever you got cage freaks out even more

[00:55:06] in the final scene in a way that was spoiled movie but involves an emotional breakdown and gasoline this is truly a terrible movie I recommend it to everyone I feel like that might be where I'm at here it's truly it's insane it's it's bothers

[00:55:22] and in a way a terrible movie is its own source of greatness much like the room and how we've seen with that movie alright here's a three star review sort of fascinating how deliberate the craziness of this feels it's not that it fails

[00:55:36] to capture the nuance of the fucked up relationship dynamic at the core it's simply that it has no interest in doing so the reckless third act escalation the ludicrous sex montages memories by Nicholas Cage the greatest piece of production design in history maybe there's a sort of deranged

[00:55:56] composure to it that if you find that you find an all the best sleaze and make no mistake this is top tier sleaze with next to no regard for characters or plot in favor of increasingly sweaty sex scenes and baseless reveals

[00:56:10] it's a treat honestly and I haven't even mentioned the engine that powers the whole thing look I'm on the record as thinking Nick Cage is one of our great actors capable of things nobody else in the business can do there's more to him than Cage rage

[00:56:22] there's a bizarre hyperreal believability to his best performances that is truly unmatched he's too much to be acting right anyway this certainly has moments of genuinely great performing discovering that my girlfriend's daughter is actually my wife inhabiting her body is a weird nuanced emotion to portray

[00:56:38] and Cage totally nails it but most people are probably coming to this for Cage rage they won't leave disappointed neither did I of course but my main takeaway is this I honestly can't wait to see what Polara does next she's on to something with this

[00:56:52] deliriousness also how I felt alright I got one more it's a three star review of between worlds which reads holy shit Nicholas Cage finally goes full Tommy Wiseau in between worlds the film obliterates subtleness embracing campiness with a kung fu grip imagine a supernatural

[00:57:08] soap opera through the lens of mental illness this movie is going to be a big cult classic or a meme whichever comes first yeah alright between worlds I am so glad that this was the movie that we ended this podcast on

[00:57:26] you know I was really worried this was going to be like you know a humanity bureau type situation which is a completely forgettable movie that I'm you know I'm going to like forget having recorded an episode on it like two weeks from now

[00:57:38] but now but now I have a movie that I'll remember for the rest of my entire life so there is that and I hope that you get to watch this again at some point and just truly marvel in the insanity I really

[00:57:48] look forward to this coming up on your top 10 Nick Cage list next episode I'm not sure who would think about top 10 movies list it might make you know my top we're going to do a bunch different categories I think including like probably most insane performances

[00:58:02] or most insane or biggest insanity or whatever and in that case between worlds will almost definitely be on that list as for top 10 actual movies probably not but we'll see what happens who knows maybe my estimation will grow next week all right Mike

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[00:58:30] don't forget to rate and review the show and have a podcast or any other podcast app and if you want to contact us hit us up with Mike from whatgoldomovies at gmail.com which is the wrong email address Nicholas Cage CompleteWorks at gmail.com is the correct one

[00:58:42] although both email addresses go straight to us so I guess it doesn't really matter and you can find me at Rest for Podcast on Rapture Press alongside the review zoo a podcast about comic books and movie news and all that dirty stuff so Mike

[00:58:54] our next episode on CompleteWorks it's going to be our last and we're going out in style with that Cage countdown ranking our favorite Cage movies Cage performances The Autist Moments in general kind of just taking a look back on the last four years of Cage podcasts while

[00:59:08] we get ready for the future which is very exciting have you started working on your Cage countdown lists and things like that? Not quite I've had a kind of a little bit of a mental list thing going on but I'm going to have to start

[00:59:24] writing stuff down and taking notes and actually put some work in. We're going to have to figure out ahead of time what categories we're going to do so we know what we're going to say but yeah we'll be doing that next week

[00:59:36] and I'm very excited to get to that because we've been building to it for so long and I'm also ready to just kind of take a break for a little while too for a few weeks at least and then sometime in January

[00:59:48] we're going to come back after that episode and kind of launch a new podcast but we don't know what that podcast will be yet that's the exciting thing Yeah we may have mentioned this on this podcast before but we've both compiled

[00:59:58] like two different short lists of actors that we would want to do a CompleteWorks type podcast about I think we're going to change the name of the podcast and everything like that but we're going to publish an episode where we figure it out live on the air

[01:00:10] how, oh who we're going to do for the next for the next podcast basically and we'll post that both in the feed of the new podcast and also in this feed for anybody who wants to listen and figure out what we're doing

[01:00:22] so yeah very excited about that. It's going to be exciting Oh yeah we got our lists all Do you have your short list finalized? Not quite I have a medium list I guess you could say I think I've

[01:00:36] pretty much brought mine down to the five that I want to use I'm still like maybe I'll swap this person out real quick at the last minute but for now I think I got it down so I'm very excited to get into that with you

[01:00:46] but that will be a few weeks from now in January and of course keep an eye out for the next episode of Mike and Mike Go To The Movies where we'll be discussing a small independent film maybe you've heard of it, it's called Star Wars

[01:00:58] The Rise Of Skywalker I'm very excited about it, it's a new Star Wars movie the saga will end Mike until the next one So they say or at least the Skywalker saga is sort of coming to a close with this one

[01:01:12] I mean there will be more Star Wars movies but I wouldn't expect to see any of the original trilogy people in these movies anymore and possibly who knows even I think we'll see like Daisy Ridley and John Boehr and people like that

[01:01:24] down the line we'll see them in movies they keep saying they're not going to be like come on if they're alive at the end of the movie and even if they're not they'll find ways to bring them back into Star Wars

[01:01:34] So yeah, Star Wars The Rise Of Skywalker will be coming in about two weeks we'll be hosting an episode about that one thanks so much for listening guys and thanks for getting in the cage