The Invitation (2016) / House of the Devil (2009)

[00:00:02] Let's get together, talk about the movies that we saw this week. We'll have discussions, talk film news, we'll laugh a lot and act like geeks. Sometimes we'll have a guest or two, sometimes it's just the two of us. Let's crack some jokes and tell some folks to come along and hang with us! Mike and...

[00:00:28] Hello and welcome to Mike and Mike Go To The Movies, a podcast that is broadcast from within a pentagram in the center of the creepy basement you're not allowed to go in. I'm Mike Smith and joining me as always is a man invited here by his ex-wife under mysterious circumstances.

[00:00:41] Hi, I'm Mike D'Cruccio. How are you doing, Mike?

[00:00:44] I'm doing great to learn that I was married once but sad that it's in the past.

[00:00:50] Yeah, it's a roller coaster of emotions that you're going through right now.

[00:00:53] Wow, in one sentence really shook my world view.

[00:00:55] Yes, yeah what's been going on Mike? We haven't done a Mike makes Mike watch in a while.

[00:01:01] I guess you're right. Yeah, we uh, I was gonna say we do these almost every week but not just the two of us is the thing.

[00:01:09] Yes, uh, and I feel like we we haven't had as many Mike Mike Go To The Movies episodes in recent weeks.

[00:01:15] Uh, so yeah kind of trying to come back from that a little bit.

[00:01:17] True, yeah, yeah, but I'm doing good. It's it's it is pre pre-Halloween while we're recording this due to podcast time travel.

[00:01:23] So still been getting my spooky watches in just today.

[00:01:27] Six movie marathon with some of the discord friends.

[00:01:29] Hell yeah, hell yeah, we we watched five and then we were like I think that's enough and we we have a log

[00:01:35] we have a spreadsheet because of course we do sure um and we realized that five is the most movies we've ever watched in one day as

[00:01:42] as the the homie discord so we were like well, we got to break the record we got to watch the sixth one

[00:01:46] um, so it all it all worked out uh, because I got to sneak in my podcast homework, uh, as the sixth movie

[00:01:52] I have to watch uh house of the devil so I'm just gonna hey, what if we watch this as the movie not telling them that it's for this

[00:01:59] uh, right but it worked out it was a good time

[00:02:01] We watched they wouldn't have watched it if they knew it was for the podcast. No, I they don't I control those

[00:02:07] Um, no, yeah, they would log off of their computers. They can just hang up on a discord call, but somehow they never do

[00:02:18] So yeah, that was a lot of fun. We watched uh, we watched you know started with uh, uh, roger corman bucket of blood way back in 1959

[00:02:25] And then yeah, we we ended with house of the devil

[00:02:27] But we the main thing was my friend had never seen the witch. Um

[00:02:31] And sometime in the last two weeks one of us asked somebody would style like to live deliciously?

[00:02:37] And they just responded like a blank stare like

[00:02:40] I think just through pop culture as most as they knew it was from the witch and they were like, oh i've actually never seen the witch and I was like well

[00:02:47] That's an excuse to watch six movies buckle up buddy buckle up kiddo

[00:02:51] What are you doing on saturday? Is it watching six movies with me you're in?

[00:02:55] Um, so yeah, it was a lot of fun and then if you know, we watched uh, uh, just real quick bucket of blood

[00:03:00] uh, uh slumber party massacre to the the guest the boogeyman the witch and then we ended with house of the devil

[00:03:06] So nice real that is a solid halloween marathon that you got going on there. That's all that's beers

[00:03:12] Get a bunch of popcorn nice. Love it. Love that. Uh, yeah, no, I uh, it's been mostly pretty chill over here

[00:03:17] I went to go I did a double feature of venom three and smile to hell hell. Yeah

[00:03:22] I mean, I venom was more like out of a sense of obligation

[00:03:25] Like, you know, I got to check in to see what my old buddy venom has been up to. Yeah, uh, so, uh, you know

[00:03:30] It's it's pretty whatever i'm not not a big fan of it smile to though

[00:03:34] Really good. I recommend it's good stuff. Uh, if you liked smile you'll like smile, too. There's more smiling in it

[00:03:40] That's the subtitle more smiling still smiling after all these years

[00:03:43] Uh, yeah, no really enjoyed smile, too. Uh, and yeah, I I really haven't been like i've been watching movies

[00:03:49] But I feel like I haven't watched like a ton of horror movies recently

[00:03:52] Although I did uh over the weekend, uh go see the new 4k restoration of the texas chainsaw massacre at the roxy

[00:03:59] Uh, which uh, man, you haven't seen texas chainsaw in a while

[00:04:02] Holds up real good. That's like the horror movie, you know, like kind of it's kind of like become that I guess

[00:04:08] I mean, it was sort of a debate recently

[00:04:11] I think variety posted their list of like the 100 greatest horror movies of all time or something like that

[00:04:15] And texas chainsaw was number one and I saw like some maybe younger horror fans who were like what texas chainsaw

[00:04:22] That's not that scary

[00:04:23] And I feel like when you watch texas chainsaw, I don't know

[00:04:25] Like I and I will say like when I first saw texas chainsaw like years and years ago

[00:04:29] I think I had a similar reaction was like it's pretty good. I appreciate its importance

[00:04:33] But it's you know, it's not that scary. I wasn't I was kind of bored for some of it

[00:04:36] Yeah, and then I remember a few years ago. I was watching it. I was hanging out with a friend at my apartment

[00:04:41] Uh, she was visiting from new york and we had like spent a few days just like, you know

[00:04:44] We're at a bunch of bars. We're going out

[00:04:46] We're doing a bunch of different things and we were so exhausted and I turned on shutter and it had like the live channel thing and texas chainsaw

[00:04:52] Was just starting like the it was like mid voiceover nice the opening crawl and I was like

[00:04:57] Oh, well, we'll just watch this for a few minutes while we figure out what we're gonna do

[00:04:59] And then we just got like locked in on texas chainsaw massacre and I was like, oh, yeah, no, this is a perfect movie

[00:05:05] This is as good as movies get right here. Yeah, that's pretty funny

[00:05:08] Yeah, I hadn't seen it for till the last couple years. I think for the first time

[00:05:12] Uh, okay say similar thing though, but you sound it's almost sounded like jenna ortega's character in the beginning of is it scream?

[00:05:18] Five or six I guess I think it's scream five right that she's that's the one where it's

[00:05:23] It's she's the one getting the call from ghost face, right? She's like, I don't know ask me about it follows or something

[00:05:29] I don't watch those old movies, right?

[00:05:31] It's yeah, but next chance I rules and the new 4k restoration looks great. Uh, although I do think like

[00:05:36] You know, the restoration looks fantastic

[00:05:38] I'm glad I got it, but texas chainsaw should be viewed on as grimy a screen as possible

[00:05:43] Like it should it should look worse. Somebody should de-restore texas chainsaw

[00:05:47] De-specialized

[00:05:48] Yes

[00:05:49] I want to watch like a grainy vhs copy of texas chainsaw at a movie theater

[00:05:54] That's that's the version of the movie that needs to be to exist

[00:05:57] But yeah, so we had a have had a little bit of horror stuff here. I still have to squeeze in my annual trick-or-treat watch

[00:06:02] Uh, which is the movie. I think I made you watch last year for october, right? I believe so. Yes, definitely. Yeah, yeah

[00:06:07] Um, so this year, uh, we both made each other watch horror movies

[00:06:11] Uh, and I think we actually both kind of picked maybe weirdly similar movies in terms of vibe. I think so actually, right?

[00:06:17] Just it's just very very slow burn movie

[00:06:20] Yeah, there's a a more obvious connection between these two movies than we typically have

[00:06:24] Yes, mike makes mike watch right where like some months it's like, I don't know adventures of tintin and like come and see or something, you know, just like

[00:06:34] I also love the the running joke of mike and mike, uh, or make mike watch whatever week where we can't remember the last month

[00:06:41] I have no idea what we watched last month

[00:06:44] 28 days later 28 weeks later you you made me watch 28 weeks later. Did I make you watch?

[00:06:49] tintin last month or was that a little while that was over the summer? That was over the summer. Um, anyway

[00:06:54] No, brazil. I made you watch brazil. That's what it was. That's what it was. Yes, correct

[00:06:58] So yeah, so like I

[00:07:00] Uh, have been saying you usually so here's how mike makes mike watch works

[00:07:04] I make mike d watch something that he's never seen before

[00:07:06] I make him watch something or

[00:07:07] He makes me watch

[00:07:09] I can't even remember what the episode is. How do we do these?

[00:07:12] He makes me like we each make each other watch something that the other has never seen before

[00:07:16] Uh for a mike makes mike watch

[00:07:18] And this time around I am making mike d watch uh, the house of the devil ty west's uh film from 2009

[00:07:24] I believe it's his debut feature, uh, or if not at least breakout. I don't know at least breakout feature

[00:07:30] Yeah, i'm not sure about debut

[00:07:31] But at least he's like kind of breakthrough indie horror film

[00:07:33] Uh, which yeah, you had never seen, uh, and you made me watch, uh, karen kusama's the invitation

[00:07:39] From 2016 which I had never seen but I remember hearing pretty good things about when it uh, when it was coming out

[00:07:44] And usually, uh, when we do mike makes mike watch, uh, you almost always

[00:07:49] Watch both movies. Yes

[00:07:51] And I have been trying to follow that example for a while now

[00:07:54] Uh, like i've been trying to like oh have the time to do okay. Yeah, i'm gonna watch both of these things and this month

[00:08:00] Whiffed it I did not get the chance to watch house of the devil again

[00:08:02] Uh, which is a bummer because I haven't seen it since like high school. Maybe

[00:08:05] Like it's damn it's it's been quite a while since i've seen it

[00:08:08] But I remember really loving it back then. So, uh, i'm sure we'll we'll get into it

[00:08:11] But uh, yeah, which of these movies would you like to talk about first mike the house of the devil or the invitation?

[00:08:16] Um, I think the invitation first

[00:08:18] Okay, all right, let's do it. It's time for the invitation for mike makes mike watch

[00:08:24] I hope they choose right mike's watching mike's movie

[00:08:31] Whoa, whoa, mike's watching mike's movie

[00:08:44] This thing is so official. Maybe they're overcompensating. It's kind of hard to call everybody up out of the blue after two years

[00:08:53] I'm so glad you're here. We've got a lot to talk about. So much to celebrate tonight

[00:09:00] Each and every one of us is on a journey and we feel that it's important to be on that journey with the people you love

[00:09:09] Everybody, this is my friend Pruitt.

[00:09:17] Bars on windows and no?

[00:09:20] Security.

[00:09:21] It's safer.

[00:09:23] You've been acting so suspicious of our hospitality.

[00:09:29] Will.

[00:09:30] Jesus.

[00:09:36] Has he been like this a lot?

[00:09:38] So agitated.

[00:09:40] How has he been handling things?

[00:09:44] He can be self-destructive.

[00:09:46] I think he's doing the best he can.

[00:09:52] He doesn't feel safe here.

[00:09:55] We don't see you for two years, and then all of a sudden, we get invited to this lavish dinner.

[00:10:01] Don't tell me that this is normal.

[00:10:06] What do you think is happening, Will?

[00:10:10] This beautiful moment is upon us.

[00:10:12] Tonight is the night our faith is made real.

[00:10:16] All right, that's in the trailer for The Invitation, directed by Karen Kusama from 2016.

[00:10:50] Now, Mike D, why The Invitation?

[00:10:52] Why did you want to make me watch this movie?

[00:10:54] I feel like this movie, which one?

[00:10:57] Yeah, the 2016 one.

[00:10:58] Not the vampire one from 2023 or whatever they're.

[00:11:01] Yes, there are a million movies that are called The Invitation.

[00:11:05] Yeah, true.

[00:11:05] That's true.

[00:11:07] But yeah, this is a movie that I feel like is often pretty overlooked.

[00:11:12] I mean, Karen Kusama in general, I think, is like a really underrated director broadly by the popular culture, even though we've reclaimed Jennifer's body by now, which is great.

[00:11:20] Sure.

[00:11:20] And she's now working on Yellow Jackets, right?

[00:11:22] She's like an executive producer on that show.

[00:11:24] Yeah, and I know she directed at least in season one, the first two episodes or something.

[00:11:29] She might have done the pilot for season two.

[00:11:30] She directs episodes here and there.

[00:11:31] I don't remember off the top of my head, but she's involved in Yellow Jackets somewhere.

[00:11:37] And that's often the context that I see it in is people being like slept on The Invitation, whatever.

[00:11:43] And I watched it, I believe, last year the first time and was like, holy shit, this is incredible.

[00:11:49] This is absolutely a slept on movie.

[00:11:51] Yeah.

[00:11:51] And people need to watch it.

[00:11:53] And Spooky Season, Mike Makes Mike Watch, any excuse.

[00:11:57] I was like, what am I going to do?

[00:11:59] And I was like, I think you'd really like this movie.

[00:12:02] And the shit rules.

[00:12:03] So this is an excuse for us to talk about it.

[00:12:06] Yeah, fair enough.

[00:12:07] So I will say, so my Karen Kusama, my relationship with her movie, she's directed five films.

[00:12:11] I've now seen three of them.

[00:12:13] I've not seen Girl Fight or Aeon Flux.

[00:12:15] Although when I was a kid, I wanted to see Aeon Flux.

[00:12:16] I remember that same.

[00:12:18] Yeah.

[00:12:18] Because I was like, oh, those trailers look insane.

[00:12:20] Charlize Theron.

[00:12:21] She's like, unbelievable.

[00:12:22] But I never got around to watching Aeon Flux.

[00:12:23] But the first time I watched a Karen Kusama movie was Destroyer from 2018, which starred

[00:12:28] Nicole Kidman.

[00:12:29] And I remember seeing a lot of talk about her performance.

[00:12:31] And it's a really interesting.

[00:12:33] Yeah, the wig and the makeup and all that kind of stuff.

[00:12:35] And maybe it was just the day that I saw it.

[00:12:38] I used to work very early mornings and then would go to movies.

[00:12:40] And if the movie was kind of slow, I would start to nod off a little bit.

[00:12:44] Destroyer, I was not a big fan of.

[00:12:45] I thought the movie was kind of boring.

[00:12:48] I remember you watched it semi-recently, right?

[00:12:50] Either this year or end of last year.

[00:12:53] Okay.

[00:12:53] But you kind of liked Destroyer, right?

[00:12:55] I was very into it.

[00:12:56] Yeah.

[00:12:56] You dug it.

[00:12:57] Okay.

[00:12:57] Yeah.

[00:12:57] So I saw Destroyer then and wasn't crazy about it.

[00:13:01] I then, a couple years later, saw Jennifer's Body, which I had not watched.

[00:13:04] I was one of the millions of people who did not see it when it first came out.

[00:13:08] But I saw it for the first time, I think in 2021, 22.

[00:13:13] Actually, I went to see it with the same friend who was visiting me when I watched X-Chance

[00:13:17] of the Masker.

[00:13:17] It was that same week.

[00:13:18] We were playing it at the Roxy and I went to go see Jennifer's Body and my girlfriend

[00:13:21] was a big fan of it.

[00:13:22] So we were like, yeah, we'll go.

[00:13:24] And yeah, no, I really enjoyed it.

[00:13:26] I don't think I loved it quite as much as like a lot of people seem to love it.

[00:13:30] It seems like one that like, if I watch it like a few more times, I'm probably going

[00:13:33] to get like really into it.

[00:13:34] But as seeing it only once, it's like, yeah, that was pretty good.

[00:13:37] And that's basically it.

[00:13:38] So I didn't like Destroyer.

[00:13:39] I thought Jennifer's Body was pretty good.

[00:13:40] I thought Invitational fucking rocked.

[00:13:42] Invitational is real, real good.

[00:13:44] Let's go.

[00:13:45] I like this movie a lot.

[00:13:47] Yeah, no, I wasn't really sure what to expect from it.

[00:13:50] You know, I knew kind of the basic premise, which is that Logan Marshall Green is invited

[00:13:54] to his ex-wife's house and, you know, shady stuff starts to go down.

[00:13:57] But I didn't really know the context of any of that kind of stuff.

[00:13:59] I didn't really know who else was in the movie.

[00:14:01] And it's mostly a cast of like people you wouldn't normally recognize, except for Logan

[00:14:05] Marshall Green, who is kind of the lead, who had kind of a moment a few years ago.

[00:14:09] He was like popping up in movies here and there.

[00:14:11] He was an upgrade.

[00:14:12] Yeah, he's sort of a, you know, he's a guy.

[00:14:15] He weirdly looks a lot like Tom Hardy.

[00:14:17] And I remember I remember when upgrade came out, it was the same year as Venom.

[00:14:21] And like they both are kind of the same movie where like, you know, this guy who looks like

[00:14:26] Tom Hardy gets kind of possessed by this like weird entity that's controlling his body

[00:14:31] and stuff.

[00:14:31] So, yeah, I knew Logan Marshall Green and I knew John Carroll Lynch, who I didn't realize

[00:14:36] was in the movie until I was watching it.

[00:14:37] But of course, John Carroll Lynch is somebody who when I see him in a movie, I'm like, that's

[00:14:41] the Zodiac killer.

[00:14:43] Yeah, I don't trust this guy.

[00:14:45] And so I think this movie actually uses John Carroll Lynch to very good effect because

[00:14:48] the second he walks on screen, you're like, something's off about this character.

[00:14:51] Yeah, I don't like this.

[00:14:53] Yeah, no, that's that's very funny.

[00:14:55] And yeah, maybe maybe just because of this movie in particular, we always do lots of

[00:15:01] spoilers on the Mike Makes Mike Watches.

[00:15:02] Yes.

[00:15:03] So if you have not seen The Invitation, maybe go watch it because we're probably going to

[00:15:07] talk about the everything.

[00:15:09] Right.

[00:15:10] And this movie in particular, I think, yeah, it's very important to not know stuff.

[00:15:13] Yes, absolutely.

[00:15:13] Oh, also, the guy who plays David, Eden's new husband is Dario Naharis from Game of Thrones.

[00:15:20] Yeah, you're right.

[00:15:21] And he was also in Haunting of Hill House.

[00:15:22] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:15:23] Which is fun.

[00:15:24] So extra context, because I had seen this movie once or twice before, I watched this movie

[00:15:29] with one earbud in to listen to the director's commentary, which is a podcast for Mike Flanagan's

[00:15:36] podcast where he has different filmmakers on to watch one movie and do a commentary with

[00:15:40] him during the movie.

[00:15:41] And episode two, or the second filmmaker he had was Karen Kusama to watch The Invitation.

[00:15:45] Yeah.

[00:15:46] Studios won't pay for commentaries on Blu-rays anymore, so Mike Flanagan's going to start

[00:15:49] a podcast.

[00:15:49] So he's got a podcast for it.

[00:15:50] Yeah, exactly.

[00:15:52] But it is part of the SpectreVision podcast network.

[00:15:55] So at least there's that, you know, Elijah Wood and those guys.

[00:15:58] Right.

[00:15:58] So there's a little bit of that.

[00:15:59] Anyway, and they talked about like, oh, yeah, I didn't, you know, thanks for having him

[00:16:04] in Hill House because that put me on this actor so I could have him in.

[00:16:07] And they were talking about that stuff.

[00:16:09] Oh, nice.

[00:16:10] Which is pretty neat.

[00:16:10] Oh, that's cool.

[00:16:11] Yeah.

[00:16:11] And he just recently had Lee Wannell on, most recently, to watch Invisible Man.

[00:16:15] So then they were talking about, well, they talked about Logan Marshall Green, who's

[00:16:18] great.

[00:16:19] Oh, yeah.

[00:16:19] Oh, yeah.

[00:16:19] Because Lee Wannell also directed Upgrade.

[00:16:21] Yeah, that's true.

[00:16:22] Yeah.

[00:16:22] And then one of the guys in Hill House is also in, is the Invisible Man in that movie.

[00:16:27] I forget that actor's name.

[00:16:29] Oh, yeah.

[00:16:30] He's like the junkie brother in Hill House.

[00:16:32] I'm blanking on that too.

[00:16:32] But yeah, he was the Invisible Man.

[00:16:34] Yeah.

[00:16:34] So anyway, back to the invitation.

[00:16:35] This movie rules.

[00:16:36] It's all I got to say is what I'm getting at.

[00:16:37] Yeah.

[00:16:38] So I think, you know, this movie starts and you are, it's, you know, this guy and his

[00:16:42] ex-wives invited him to this dinner party and it's all of their old friends from before

[00:16:46] they, you know, had broken up.

[00:16:48] Before the incident.

[00:16:49] Before the incident, which it kind of just very like.

[00:16:52] It tells you pretty early on that like, you know, their child died.

[00:16:56] Right.

[00:16:56] But it doesn't, it doesn't really like give you context for how it happened or anything

[00:16:59] for a very long time.

[00:17:00] It like kind of does a very good job of parceling out that information as the movie goes on.

[00:17:04] So you're kind of learning more about the characters as it's going.

[00:17:06] But it's very clear, like from the outset of the dinner party, something's off.

[00:17:10] Even the fact that like his ex-wife invited him to a dinner party is like suspect.

[00:17:14] That feels off.

[00:17:15] And he feels that way throughout the whole movie.

[00:17:17] And I think what the movie does so well is it like you as like a viewer, like know something

[00:17:23] has to be off because this is a horror movie.

[00:17:26] Right.

[00:17:26] Right.

[00:17:26] Like you, like you watch this with like the, the expectation that something will be off

[00:17:30] at this party.

[00:17:31] And it takes so, so, so long to get to the thing that is actually off.

[00:17:36] Like you're, you're following Logan Marshall green, like, and his like crazy theories for

[00:17:41] a while.

[00:17:41] And like every once in a while he's like, Oh no, this guy, he's actually dead or what?

[00:17:45] Like all that stuff.

[00:17:46] Yeah.

[00:17:47] And you know, you've seen him be wrong so many times or like something has come up that

[00:17:52] like disproves this ad or whatever.

[00:17:55] It can be easily dismissed or something.

[00:17:56] Yeah.

[00:17:57] To add a certain point, you're almost like, well shit, maybe nothing's happening at this

[00:18:00] dinner party.

[00:18:01] Yeah.

[00:18:01] Maybe it's just a regular party.

[00:18:03] Yeah.

[00:18:03] Yeah.

[00:18:03] Maybe they're just a little kooky because of the cult they're in or whatever, but like,

[00:18:06] you know, they're fine.

[00:18:08] And then of course things do start to happen.

[00:18:10] And then folks.

[00:18:11] Yeah.

[00:18:11] Yeah.

[00:18:11] And it was very interesting.

[00:18:12] I do recommend that, that episode of director's commentary because it was very fascinating

[00:18:16] hearing them talking about how the, the painstaking lengths they had to

[00:18:20] go to, to make sure that the audience is always with will, I think is Logan

[00:18:24] Marshall green's character.

[00:18:25] Yes.

[00:18:26] With, with will's perspective, like having stuff, just him, his like shoulder being on

[00:18:31] the edge of the frame.

[00:18:31] So, you know, that you're like, we're seeing what he's seeing and all these things, things

[00:18:35] like that so that you never know more than he does basically.

[00:18:39] And so you, you get wrapped up like absolutely wills.

[00:18:41] He's correct.

[00:18:42] Of course this has gone wrong.

[00:18:43] Uh, and then when it's like waved off or, or, or the guy shows up that you think is dead,

[00:18:48] right?

[00:18:48] Like all that stuff.

[00:18:49] You're just like as confused and misunderstood as, or you don't understand everything the

[00:18:53] same way he does.

[00:18:54] Um, until like finally the, you know, final explosion of, of plot happens.

[00:19:25] Um, right.

[00:19:28] Kind of parcel out its information and kind of really reveal where it's going.

[00:19:32] You just do spend a lot of time with these characters.

[00:19:35] And so I feel, I felt more attached to that.

[00:19:37] Like I felt like I had, I had a good sense of who all these people were.

[00:19:39] Uh, so when the shit starts to go down, like I did care about them.

[00:19:43] Yeah.

[00:19:43] Which is nice.

[00:19:44] Like I think in a normal kind of slasher movie or a home invasion movie or whatever,

[00:19:47] uh, that's something that is often overlooked.

[00:19:49] Uh, you know, if you watch like a Friday the 13th movie or something, you're like, ah,

[00:19:52] these teenagers fuck them.

[00:19:54] Like I'm, you know, who cares?

[00:19:57] Yeah.

[00:19:57] Yeah.

[00:19:58] I don't know.

[00:19:58] The movie takes so goddamn long to get, to get, but like in the best way, it doesn't

[00:20:03] feel like.

[00:20:03] To the point where you're almost feel like impatient watching it, I think a little bit.

[00:20:06] Right.

[00:20:06] Yeah.

[00:20:07] There's one point that actually like retroactively informed how I felt about house of the devil,

[00:20:12] um, which they talked about in the commentary that I'll get to in a second, but they talked

[00:20:15] about.

[00:20:16] Yeah.

[00:20:16] Yeah.

[00:20:16] There was, it was pretty fascinating.

[00:20:17] Something they cut out of the invitation because well, first off at the beginning of that,

[00:20:22] the, the movie opens with them driving and they, they run over this, they hit this coyote

[00:20:27] right in their car and he has to like kill it with a tire iron.

[00:20:30] Yes.

[00:20:30] Put it out of its misery.

[00:20:31] And they talked, Karen Kusama talked about like due to budgetary reasons, they couldn't,

[00:20:36] they didn't have a good like dummy or whatever, like for the coyote.

[00:20:39] So they were like, fuck it.

[00:20:40] We'll just put the camera in the car so you can't see what he's hitting.

[00:20:43] And it, and it, like she said, it like sort of unlocked this whole implied violence that's

[00:20:48] happening off screen, even though you're seeing like this act, but the, the implied,

[00:20:51] like the, this like impending violence, you don't actually get to see a resolution of

[00:20:55] and the way we, and like how that all feeds into the narrative of, of, of Will's experience

[00:21:00] of like, there is something wrong going on here that I can't quite see.

[00:21:03] And like right from the first moment that's the audience has that experience.

[00:21:07] Like, whoa, intense.

[00:21:08] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:21:09] I think that is a really like powerful way to look at it.

[00:21:12] I think that's really cool.

[00:21:14] And I think that that moment, which opens the movie does kind of like hang over Will the

[00:21:18] entire time, uh, and does kind of inform you a lot about his character, which is that,

[00:21:22] you know, he has a, a surprising resilience, I guess, to this, this sort of thing.

[00:21:26] Like he, he can take care of himself.

[00:21:28] Uh, so when like, you know, the shit starts to go down, like the last 20 minutes of the

[00:21:31] movie, it's not like a crazy surprise that he's able to kind of like, you know, it's,

[00:21:35] it's a real struggle.

[00:21:36] It's real difficult, but he is able to kind of like protect himself and his girlfriend.

[00:21:40] Right.

[00:21:40] Yeah.

[00:21:40] Yeah.

[00:21:40] It's, it's, it's, it's all, you know, hashtag analysis, I think basically.

[00:21:45] But the thing that, uh, really blew my mind is, uh, there's a moment, right.

[00:21:49] So the, they, they have this dinner right there at this dinner party and John Carroll Lynch

[00:21:52] is like incredible in this, I think.

[00:21:54] Yeah.

[00:21:54] And they're like telling stories.

[00:21:55] This movie also weirdly connects to podcast time travel, our episode of the men's club.

[00:22:00] I was just thinking this actually.

[00:22:02] Uh, uh, for Ray Scheider's season.

[00:22:04] But, um, anyway, yeah, they're telling the story and he tells this or I want or whatever.

[00:22:08] I forget what they're, they're like telling.

[00:22:15] And it's like, they're playing it off as like a joke or whatever.

[00:22:18] Uh, and like, you know, one of the friends, like, uh, I want to have some of the Coke

[00:22:21] he used to do.

[00:22:22] And he's like, oh, I think I got some over here.

[00:22:23] And it's like, no, I was joking.

[00:22:24] It's like, no, you weren't.

[00:22:25] Here you go.

[00:22:26] Right.

[00:22:26] Yeah.

[00:22:26] I want to kiss you.

[00:22:27] Right.

[00:22:28] Or kiss the guy.

[00:22:29] Right.

[00:22:29] That whole thing.

[00:22:30] And yeah, he tells the story about like wanting his wife back or some shit.

[00:22:33] He's like, I want to tell you all about my wife.

[00:22:35] Uh, and, uh, who he, who he killed.

[00:22:39] He murdered.

[00:22:40] He murders.

[00:22:41] Yeah.

[00:22:41] Or has murdered in the past.

[00:22:42] Right.

[00:22:42] And the one friend is like, I'm out of here.

[00:22:45] Like I talked about in that, in the men's club episode.

[00:22:48] Right.

[00:22:48] She's like, I don't want any part of this shit.

[00:22:50] No, thank you.

[00:22:50] This is maybe uncomfortable.

[00:22:51] I would like to leave now.

[00:22:52] And there's some resistance from David and the other members of the group that are been

[00:22:57] part of the cult, uh, or it's not a cult, whatever, you know, whatever.

[00:23:01] Um, it's a cult.

[00:23:02] It's revealed to be a cult.

[00:23:03] Yeah.

[00:23:03] Yeah.

[00:23:04] And John Carroll Lynch is like, oh, I'll, I got to move my car or something.

[00:23:07] Right.

[00:23:12] And right.

[00:23:13] We're with will.

[00:23:13] We're only in will's perspective where he's watching out the window and David interrupts

[00:23:17] him.

[00:23:17] So he has to turn around and doesn't get to see what goes on.

[00:23:20] And Karen Kusama said later in the movie, there's a moment it's after all the cake.

[00:23:25] I think it's after the cake or yeah.

[00:23:27] After his wheels blow up with about Choi and like all that enjoy it.

[00:23:30] I got this voicemail, all this stuff, the guy that he thinks is dead because he called

[00:23:33] me and told me he was here already.

[00:23:34] Where the fuck is he?

[00:23:35] Yeah.

[00:23:35] He goes outside and he talks to his girlfriend and there's a moment where he like walks over

[00:23:39] to the edge of the balcony and he's like looking out over the skyline and the camera is like

[00:23:44] on the street looking at him in the backyard.

[00:23:45] It's like from far, far away basically.

[00:23:47] And she said that that end of that scene, the camera tilts down to reveal Claire's dead

[00:23:52] body.

[00:23:52] Oh really?

[00:23:52] So it confirms what everybody knows, like what everybody thinks is going on.

[00:23:56] And then he goes back inside and there's like five more minutes of like, where's Choi

[00:23:59] before Choi finally shows up.

[00:24:01] And she said in the edit, it completely deflates the mystery of what the fuck is going on here.

[00:24:05] Right.

[00:24:05] Because then you already know, the audience knows more than the character does at that

[00:24:09] point.

[00:24:09] Exactly.

[00:24:09] Yeah.

[00:24:10] And you already know.

[00:24:10] And she said it was like perfect in the script and like, oh my God, it was so important.

[00:24:14] We did multiple takes and all this crazy shit.

[00:24:16] And then we got in the edit and we're like, oh, this ruins the movie.

[00:24:19] So they took it out, which is fascinating.

[00:24:22] And there's a moment in House of the Devil where that happens, where the camera goes through

[00:24:26] a door that the character doesn't go through and you see the pentagram and all the

[00:24:29] bodies.

[00:24:30] And I was like, well, now we know.

[00:24:32] But I watched them in the reverse order.

[00:24:34] I watched House of the Devil first.

[00:24:35] So I was kind of like, I don't know.

[00:24:37] It totally like that.

[00:24:38] That idea changed my perception of that movie.

[00:24:40] Yeah.

[00:24:40] I mean, I think it's two different perspectives, two different ways of looking at it where,

[00:24:44] you know, I think in House of the Devil, like they want you to know that there is in fact,

[00:24:48] you know, that stuff happening in the basement.

[00:24:49] Right.

[00:24:50] Right.

[00:24:50] Yeah.

[00:24:50] No, I don't know.

[00:24:51] It's just interesting.

[00:24:51] That's like kind of like we're talking about before.

[00:24:53] These movies are sort of the same.

[00:24:54] Not really, but pretty similar.

[00:24:57] This goes less supernatural than House of the Devil does.

[00:24:59] Yes.

[00:25:00] Yes, definitely.

[00:25:00] That's very true.

[00:25:01] Yeah.

[00:25:01] But it does feel like at any moment it could go in that direction.

[00:25:05] Oh, yeah.

[00:25:06] A hundred percent.

[00:25:06] Yeah.

[00:25:07] I don't know.

[00:25:07] It was interesting.

[00:25:08] And John Carroll Lynch, man.

[00:25:10] Yeah.

[00:25:10] He's unbelievable.

[00:25:11] I mean, that scene where he is monologuing about how he killed his wife is unbelievable.

[00:25:15] He should have gotten an Oscar nomination for this movie.

[00:25:17] He's so, so good in The Invitation.

[00:25:20] It's insane.

[00:25:21] And then, yeah, I mean, like his presence and was it Sadie, like her presence at the party

[00:25:25] who was like, you know, they're both like people that the rest of the group does not know,

[00:25:29] but they are, you know, friends of Eden and David.

[00:25:32] Eden and David have been like off the grid for like two years.

[00:25:35] Nobody knows where they've been.

[00:25:36] They mentioned like, oh, we spent some time in Mexico for like a while.

[00:25:40] But like otherwise, like nobody knows where they've been for like two years, like post her

[00:25:43] and Will breaking up.

[00:25:44] And so to have everybody kind of come back and to have these like two kind of strangers

[00:25:48] kind of enter the party and everybody's like, yeah, you know, cool.

[00:25:52] Like, you know, this is kind of meant to be a friend's thing, but it's your party, all

[00:25:54] that stuff.

[00:25:55] And, you know, we just all want to be chill together.

[00:25:58] We want it to be like the old days.

[00:26:00] Right.

[00:26:00] And then, you know, things obviously take the turn that they do.

[00:26:03] And so, yeah, it is ultimately revealed like that they are in a cult and they are actively

[00:26:08] trying to kill everyone.

[00:26:10] And it's supposed to be this kind of like beautiful death ceremony where it's like a

[00:26:15] hemlock kind of thing, right?

[00:26:16] Like everybody like, you know, takes a drink out of one glass.

[00:26:18] And it's poisoned and they all die.

[00:26:21] And the moment when they are pouring the glass at that point, you know, something's up.

[00:26:25] I think you've seen like Will has seen like a message from like the doctor that they went

[00:26:30] to, right?

[00:26:31] Yeah.

[00:26:31] He snoops, right?

[00:26:32] Because it's also his old house, right?

[00:26:34] So he knows where everything is or whatever.

[00:26:35] Yeah.

[00:26:36] And he snoops on a laptop and sees like a message from the cult leader guy, doctor, whatever

[00:26:40] that basically says like, oh, you know, this is the final whatever.

[00:26:44] Something that tips off Will that like for sure.

[00:26:47] It's at least one more clue that like, yes, we're there.

[00:26:49] They're definitely trying something.

[00:26:51] He doesn't really know what it is yet.

[00:26:52] But as he's watching them pour and they start, it's like all in slow motion and they're like,

[00:26:56] you're like, you're putting, he's putting all the pieces together that like, oh shit,

[00:26:59] this is poisoned.

[00:27:00] It's like so tense.

[00:27:02] Yes.

[00:27:02] And so when it's like, you know, happening and he like jumps up and like knocks the glass

[00:27:06] out of the hands, you see one of them, Gina has actually sipped the glass before he gets

[00:27:10] a chance to do it.

[00:27:11] But you don't know, like they don't know that yet.

[00:27:13] Yeah.

[00:27:13] They didn't notice.

[00:27:14] Yeah.

[00:27:14] And so he like knocked the glasses out of her.

[00:27:15] I was like, no, don't do it.

[00:27:16] And Sadie like attacks Will and he like throws her off and she like hits her head.

[00:27:21] And so there's, it's just so much like chaos happening all at once.

[00:27:24] And then when they discover that Gina is dead, like while that's happening and then everybody

[00:27:30] else kind of puts the pieces together and then David comes out with a gun and it's just

[00:27:33] like, like there's been like 80 minutes of just nothing happening for so long, like a

[00:27:38] long, long buildup to this.

[00:27:40] And then finally just explodes.

[00:27:42] And it's a, it's a really effective, powerful scene.

[00:27:44] It's great.

[00:27:44] It's great.

[00:27:44] Yeah.

[00:27:45] And the fact that it's the same thing that happens to Sadie is what happens to, is what

[00:27:49] happened to Pruitt's wife, right?

[00:27:50] He hit her.

[00:27:51] She fell and hit her head on the corner on the counter.

[00:27:53] Uh, you're, it's like, oh my God.

[00:27:55] And that, that moment when, uh, they're like, cause one of them is a nurse or EMT or something,

[00:28:00] right?

[00:28:00] And he's helping her and, and you hear somebody yell, like she's not breathing.

[00:28:03] And he's like, yeah, she is.

[00:28:04] What are you talking about?

[00:28:05] And the camera just like, like pivots.

[00:28:06] So now you can see Gina.

[00:28:08] Uh, it's like, whoa, like, holy shit.

[00:28:10] Um, yeah, it's good.

[00:28:11] It's good stuff.

[00:28:12] Yeah.

[00:28:13] Uh, and then it's just chaos from there on out.

[00:28:15] Uh, several of the group die.

[00:28:17] A lot of people die and David and Eden are like, and Pruitt are all like hunting down everyone.

[00:28:21] And Sadie's, you know, got a second wind, I guess.

[00:28:24] And it's just like chasing people down.

[00:28:25] Yeah.

[00:28:26] And so, yeah, Will and his girlfriend are like, you know, hiding in the basement.

[00:28:28] Will's like, okay, we got to figure out or in the attic, he's like going up upstairs.

[00:28:32] It's like, okay, there's a door down here at least to the garage.

[00:28:34] And then he got there and the door is no longer there anymore.

[00:28:36] Cause he hasn't lived in the house in like two years.

[00:28:38] So he doesn't know like the layout as well as he thought he did.

[00:28:41] Uh, or like the door has been removed.

[00:28:43] Right.

[00:28:43] Yeah.

[00:28:43] They've, they've boarded it up.

[00:28:44] Yeah.

[00:28:45] And yeah.

[00:28:46] And then they, they, uh, like that big final confrontation of with, with Pruitt, like in

[00:28:50] a screening room, uh, right.

[00:28:52] Like in the house, there's like a little theater.

[00:28:54] Yeah.

[00:28:54] They were, I don't know.

[00:28:55] It's intense.

[00:28:56] Good stuff.

[00:28:56] And she said, Karen Kusama mentioned that, uh, John Carroll Lynch was just kind of like,

[00:29:01] uh, just, I'm going to just let me go with this, you know, like this moment.

[00:29:04] Uh, and she said those, like those crazy, like guttural screams were like, that was all

[00:29:08] him.

[00:29:08] That's not in the script.

[00:29:09] Like, holy shit.

[00:29:10] That's intense.

[00:29:11] Yeah.

[00:29:12] What's the, I don't remember exactly.

[00:29:13] They, they like kill him.

[00:29:15] You know, I don't remember how Kira beats him to death with a wine bottle.

[00:29:18] That's what happens.

[00:29:20] Yes.

[00:29:20] Yeah.

[00:29:20] And then Eden is like shooting him and like Eden shoots him and then like shoots herself

[00:29:24] cause she's like so upset for the whole thing.

[00:29:26] She thought this, she thought this is going to be a very beautiful moment where we all like

[00:29:29] die peacefully together and it's, and it's her way of like kind of dealing with the

[00:29:34] death of their son.

[00:29:35] Right.

[00:29:35] Um, it's, you know, that's how they call kind of ensnared them and you know, it's,

[00:29:39] they become sort of accepting of the idea of death and like she wants to join her son

[00:29:43] in the next life.

[00:29:43] Right.

[00:29:44] Yeah.

[00:29:44] There's like some interest, like there, there's a whole thing with the cult where they

[00:29:48] sort of like, they watch that video.

[00:29:49] Right.

[00:29:49] And they, the, the whole thing is that like, they're supposed to recognize that like death

[00:29:54] is, is like natural and it's not scary.

[00:29:56] And, and it's a thing that everybody has to go through.

[00:29:59] And in particular, like in Western specifically American culture, like we don't acknowledge

[00:30:05] death.

[00:30:05] Like none, we can't talk about it.

[00:30:07] It's, it's the scariest and worst thing that can happen.

[00:30:09] Uh, we will never discuss it.

[00:30:11] Right.

[00:30:11] We can't like confront it in other cultures.

[00:30:12] They it's celebrated in some way.

[00:30:14] Right.

[00:30:15] Um, and that's sort of like what they're, they're getting at, but that is absolutely

[00:30:18] like the language of the cults to trap people in grief into doing this murder suicide

[00:30:24] thing, which they reveal, uh, in like one of the scariest, most gut wrenching shots, final

[00:30:31] shots in a movie ever.

[00:30:32] Right.

[00:30:32] Uh, I think when, uh, they go out in the backyard and look across the Canyon at the rest of

[00:30:37] the Hollywood Hills and they've all got that red lantern in the background.

[00:30:40] Yes.

[00:30:41] Uh, yeah, no, that reveal, uh, is so good.

[00:30:44] Uh, just a really terrific, like, um, yeah, they, they, uh, they, they get out there, they're

[00:30:49] on the lawn and they, you can hear like sirens.

[00:30:51] Yeah.

[00:30:51] I love that, that like sound design, like slow build of like dogs barking and then like

[00:30:56] sirens and then helicopters and then more sirens.

[00:30:59] And it's like, what the fuck is going on?

[00:31:01] Right.

[00:31:01] Cause like you, you hear all that stuff and you're like, nobody's like called the police

[00:31:04] and they're like pretty like far in the distance.

[00:31:06] Like nobody's probably hearing these gunshots and stuff.

[00:31:09] Yeah.

[00:31:09] Uh, so why are there sirens out here?

[00:31:10] And then, yeah, the camera turns around and you see all the red lights and you start

[00:31:13] to see, and that kind of clues you into like why that red light was significant before

[00:31:18] and all that.

[00:31:19] And there, yeah, there's like 12 different like red lights that are just out there suddenly.

[00:31:23] Yeah.

[00:31:23] Uh, and so, yeah, the, the cult has like, like success succeeded in their plan, I guess.

[00:31:27] Um, yeah.

[00:31:28] For the most part, like, I'm sure there's probably a couple of stragglers like Will and his girlfriend,

[00:31:31] but, uh, you know, it's, it's pretty wild.

[00:31:34] It's crazy.

[00:31:34] Yeah.

[00:31:35] Yeah.

[00:31:35] And it really like, uh, like locks in the, um, stuff that like David is talking about

[00:31:40] in the beginning or when they watch the video when he's like, yeah, it's like people

[00:31:43] in Chicago and New York.

[00:31:45] Like it's like people are kind of everywhere.

[00:31:46] Like he's like, you'd be surprised how many people there are.

[00:31:49] Yeah.

[00:31:49] Yeah.

[00:31:49] It's like, Oh my fucking God.

[00:31:51] Right.

[00:31:51] And like what's going on.

[00:31:53] It's good stuff.

[00:31:54] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:31:56] Uh, yeah.

[00:31:56] Invitation.

[00:31:57] It rules.

[00:31:57] I am, uh, very glad that you made me watch this movie, Mike.

[00:32:00] Nice.

[00:32:00] Really, really enjoyed it.

[00:32:01] Uh, so yeah.

[00:32:02] Thanks to Karen Kusama for making a cool movie and a cool ass movie.

[00:32:05] Yeah.

[00:32:06] One of these days I'm going to watch yellow jackets.

[00:32:08] It's going to happen.

[00:32:09] Uh, I know season one is on Netflix now actually.

[00:32:11] Yeah.

[00:32:11] We're weirdly not season two, but season one is on there.

[00:32:14] Yeah.

[00:32:14] There's some, well, I guess showtime is not part, but like all, a lot of the like AMC

[00:32:18] original shows and like shutter original stuff got or AMC plus or whatever the fuck

[00:32:22] it's called.

[00:32:23] Yeah.

[00:32:23] All got like season ones put onto Netflix and it's like clearly just a ploy to like get

[00:32:28] people to start the show and then move over to the other.

[00:32:30] And then you're like, Oh, well I got to watch season two right now.

[00:32:32] Yeah.

[00:32:32] Right.

[00:32:33] Yeah.

[00:32:33] It's annoying.

[00:32:34] Yeah.

[00:32:34] That is annoying.

[00:32:35] But, uh, yeah.

[00:32:35] Yellow jackets.

[00:32:36] I'm going to get around you one day.

[00:32:37] It's going to happen.

[00:32:38] I know you're a big fan, Mike.

[00:32:39] Big fan.

[00:32:39] Yeah.

[00:32:39] And I think this movie also pairs pretty well with the guest also, which, uh, Adam

[00:32:44] Wingard, Dan Stevens, 2014 movie, I think it was, um, which has a similar slow burn

[00:32:49] reveal of something's a little bit weird with this guy.

[00:32:51] I don't really know.

[00:32:52] And then big explosion of plot, you know?

[00:32:55] Yes.

[00:32:55] Stuff happens in the guest.

[00:32:57] Yes.

[00:32:57] Uh, yeah.

[00:32:58] I haven't seen that since it came out and I would really like to rewatch

[00:33:00] the guest.

[00:33:00] Uh, I know you just watched it for your big horror marathon.

[00:33:02] Yeah.

[00:33:03] Good stuff.

[00:33:03] I guess I'm just a sucker for a slow burn explosion of violence movie.

[00:33:06] You know?

[00:33:07] Fair enough.

[00:33:07] Well, Hey, speaking of, we should talk about our other movie, uh, today, Mike.

[00:33:10] Uh, so let's get into it.

[00:33:12] It's time to talk about the house of the devil.

[00:33:14] I can tell you like it.

[00:33:16] I love it.

[00:33:17] It's perfect.

[00:33:18] About the deposit.

[00:33:20] I'll agree to waive all the deposit stuff.

[00:33:22] You just give me the first month's down.

[00:33:24] We'll call it a day.

[00:33:24] All right.

[00:33:25] It's hard coming up with all that money.

[00:33:27] It's going to work out.

[00:33:28] You're not the one with 84 dollars.

[00:33:30] I lost in her bank account and I checked her right on Monday.

[00:33:32] You know what you should do.

[00:33:33] Hi.

[00:33:34] I'm calling in regards to the babysitter flyer posted outside my dorm.

[00:33:38] The night's big eclipse is now well underway.

[00:33:41] I feel a little weird just dropping you out here in the middle of wherever we are.

[00:33:53] Forgive me, Samantha, because I've not been completely honest.

[00:33:57] We're from the desert, you know.

[00:34:00] You see, we actually don't have a child.

[00:34:04] They lied to you.

[00:34:05] I know.

[00:34:05] I know.

[00:34:06] You're right.

[00:34:06] But it's $400.

[00:34:08] This equals first month's rent and then some and all I have to do is sit inside and watch

[00:34:11] TV.

[00:34:13] This is huge.

[00:34:14] This one night changes everything for me.

[00:34:32] The babysitter.

[00:34:33] All right.

[00:34:56] That's from the trailer for The House of the Devil from 2009, directed by Ty West.

[00:35:00] And you were right, Mike.

[00:35:01] It is not his debut feature.

[00:35:02] OK.

[00:35:03] He did have a couple of other movies before that.

[00:35:04] But The House of the Devil definitely like the kind of breakthrough horror movie.

[00:35:07] He his debut feature was a movie that I that I have actually seen.

[00:35:10] It's called The Roost.

[00:35:12] And I remember really disliking it.

[00:35:14] I did not like The Roost.

[00:35:18] But House of the Devil.

[00:35:19] I think the reason I wanted to make you watch this movie, Mike, is because, you know, I really

[00:35:23] liked this movie when I first saw it, which I believe was back in high school.

[00:35:26] And Ty West was a director that I was very interested in.

[00:35:29] I liked House of the Devil.

[00:35:30] He also had a movie called The Innkeepers around this time.

[00:35:32] Yeah.

[00:35:33] And he directed a segment in the original VHS.

[00:35:35] So I was pretty high on the Ty West train.

[00:35:37] And then he kind of just disappeared for a while.

[00:35:39] He stopped making movies or the movies that he did make were like, you know, maybe not

[00:35:44] that great.

[00:35:45] I actually never saw The Sacrament or Inner Valley of Violence, which were like 2013 and

[00:35:49] 2016.

[00:35:49] But then he just like didn't make anything for like six years.

[00:35:52] And then he came back in 2022 with X and also Pearl.

[00:35:56] Yeah.

[00:35:57] And I was pretty excited for X.

[00:35:58] And I really, really loved that movie.

[00:36:01] I was really, really into X.

[00:36:02] I liked Pearl quite a bit.

[00:36:03] And this year sort of felt like maybe the victory lap a little bit, or at least at the start

[00:36:08] of the year, it kind of felt like that.

[00:36:09] Like, all right, we're doing it.

[00:36:10] We're finishing out the trilogy.

[00:36:11] Ty West is fully back.

[00:36:12] He's making Maxine.

[00:36:13] And I saw Maxine and it's just OK.

[00:36:15] Yeah.

[00:36:15] It's kind of whatever.

[00:36:17] But X, I really loved.

[00:36:18] Pearl was obviously really well liked as well.

[00:36:20] I know you were a big fan of that movie, too.

[00:36:22] And so, yeah, I think the reason I wanted to make you watch this one is because I was

[00:36:24] so high on X.

[00:36:26] And, you know, and when I made this list a year ago, I was like, ah, timely.

[00:36:30] Maxine will be coming out.

[00:36:31] It's going to be the horror movie of the year.

[00:36:32] We're going to be talking about this.

[00:36:34] It's going to be Ty West all the way.

[00:36:35] Yeah, exactly.

[00:36:36] And it didn't turn out quite that way.

[00:36:39] I mean, if there were like a horror movie of the year, I don't know, maybe Long Legs

[00:36:43] is probably like the movie that everyone's still talking about.

[00:36:45] Yeah.

[00:36:45] I think the best one is First Omen, honestly.

[00:36:48] Oh, yeah.

[00:36:48] First Omen probably is.

[00:36:49] I mean, TV Glow, if that counts as horror, is probably my is probably my one.

[00:36:54] But yeah, First Omen, very high up there for me.

[00:36:56] You know, Terrifier 3 is just making it bank.

[00:36:58] You know, I haven't seen it yet, but I've heard good things-ish.

[00:37:04] I still got to watch the first two Terrifiers.

[00:37:06] I have to catch up with that series.

[00:37:07] Have you watched any of the Terrifiers?

[00:37:09] I watched Terrifier 2 recently.

[00:37:11] Okay.

[00:37:12] You skipped one and just watched two?

[00:37:13] Yeah, because I've heard that it's a pretty noticeable little upgrade, I guess, when you

[00:37:17] go from Terrifier to Terrifier 2.

[00:37:19] I've heard Terrifier 1 is pretty bad outside of the gore, which is like the whole thing,

[00:37:23] which I get.

[00:37:24] And just on Filmcast, David Chen recently started talking about it.

[00:37:29] And he was like, I'm going to watch all three of them.

[00:37:31] But then he realized that by their release schedule, by the time he gets to 2 and 3, it's after

[00:37:35] Halloween and nobody's going to give a shit what he thinks about the Terrifier movies.

[00:37:39] So he's like, I don't know.

[00:37:40] So you've got to wait until 4 comes out.

[00:37:41] Yeah, exactly.

[00:37:42] And he said that also that Terrifier 1 basically has no story or anything.

[00:37:46] It's just a series of Art the Clown going in an apartment building or something from

[00:37:51] apartment to apartment killing people.

[00:37:52] And there's like no, no, it's like barely a movie.

[00:37:54] Uh, which is fine because that's like a micro budget, like whatever, you know?

[00:37:58] Um, so the success story of 2 is pretty, I mean, 2 is pretty good.

[00:38:01] It's fine.

[00:38:02] It's got a little bit more story, but it is definitely, definitely still has that vibe

[00:38:06] where it is like, we are, can there's connective tissue to set up the gork eggs and that's

[00:38:09] about it.

[00:38:10] Okay.

[00:38:11] So, I mean, I'll check out 3 eventually when it hits VOD or something.

[00:38:14] Sure.

[00:38:14] Fair enough.

[00:38:15] But all right.

[00:38:15] House of the Devil.

[00:38:16] Did you enjoy it, Mike?

[00:38:17] Oh yeah, I forgot.

[00:38:18] Yes.

[00:38:19] Yes.

[00:38:19] I did like House of the Devil.

[00:38:21] Yeah.

[00:38:21] I think, uh, I think it's pretty good.

[00:38:22] I think, um, I still, I have seen the Innkeepers also, which I saw when it, not when it came

[00:38:28] out, but when it was on DVD sometime after that.

[00:38:30] Yeah.

[00:38:31] I definitely saw that.

[00:38:32] That was like a Netflix, uh, thing for me in like 2011 or 2012.

[00:38:35] Like, uh, like whenever, whenever that hit streaming, I watched the Innkeepers.

[00:38:38] Yeah.

[00:38:38] Yeah.

[00:38:39] And I remember, cause I remember buying the DVD, uh, when I was working at FYE and I had

[00:38:42] that sick employee discount.

[00:38:43] Um, right.

[00:38:44] And I remember like hearing about it on Reddit or something and it'd be like, oh, the final

[00:38:48] followup from whatever.

[00:38:49] I'd be like, oh, this is supposed to be pretty cool and thinking it is pretty slow, uh, which

[00:38:52] I guess seems to be his MO.

[00:38:54] That's kind of Ty West's thing is to, uh, yeah, do the very, very slow burn.

[00:38:59] You thought the invitation was a slow burn.

[00:39:01] Oh baby.

[00:39:01] Yeah.

[00:39:02] The Ty West joint.

[00:39:03] I mean, I think, uh, you know, X and Pearl, uh, X is also a pretty slow burn too for a

[00:39:07] while.

[00:39:07] Uh, yeah, but there's a lot of, I think less so than some of his earlier stuff.

[00:39:11] And it might be because of the porn in the beginning.

[00:39:14] Feels like.

[00:39:15] At least I'm getting to watch something here.

[00:39:17] Yeah.

[00:39:18] But, uh, it feels like it's, it is less about characters slowly walking or slowly talking

[00:39:24] through a thing because they're making a porn movie.

[00:39:27] Right.

[00:39:27] So there's a lot more stuff going on.

[00:39:29] Um, so to speak.

[00:39:30] So, but I mean, I love it.

[00:39:31] I love X a lot.

[00:39:32] I think Pearl's also very good.

[00:39:33] Maxine, like same deal.

[00:39:34] Pretty disappointing, especially because of how close the, uh, like references or, or,

[00:39:39] or inspirations like Angel and stuff like that, uh, are pretty front and center to

[00:39:44] Maxine.

[00:39:45] And I was like, Oh, I love all that shit.

[00:39:46] Uh, and it just doesn't really live up to that.

[00:39:48] So there's that about Maxine.

[00:39:50] But house of the devil also is another movie that has, it's like down to the font and,

[00:39:54] and the song, the score and everything like right down to the fiber of the movie wearing

[00:39:59] its, uh, homages, so to speak, I guess, uh, on its sleeve.

[00:40:03] And I love all that shit too.

[00:40:05] Uh, and so I was like, Oh, okay, let's go baby.

[00:40:07] And I think this one lands a lot better for me than Maxine does.

[00:40:10] Uh, that's good in terms of that stuff.

[00:40:12] Yeah.

[00:40:12] I mean like the movie, it's funny that like, so like we were talking about before, there's

[00:40:16] this scene where the main character whose name I forget, uh, who is also the lead in

[00:40:20] last stop in Yuma County.

[00:40:22] We talked about.

[00:40:22] Yes.

[00:40:23] Uh, Charlotte is her character in that movie, but, uh, how's Samantha Hughes is the,

[00:40:26] Samantha.

[00:40:27] Yes.

[00:40:27] Is the character.

[00:40:28] Jocelyn Donahue is the actress.

[00:40:29] Yes.

[00:40:30] Right.

[00:40:30] Where she like is knocking on a door that told her don't go in there or whatever.

[00:40:34] Uh, and we'll get to all the stuff.

[00:40:36] And the camera like shows you the inside of that room.

[00:40:38] That is like a ritual sacrifice room.

[00:40:40] She's like, Oh, weird.

[00:40:41] And then like keeps going and like, Oh my God.

[00:40:43] But the movie starts with the, the, the texts on screen though, like in the, the, whatever

[00:40:47] year it is, uh, eight, 70% of Americans believed in a satanic influence or whatever, satanic

[00:40:53] panic stuff.

[00:40:54] Yeah.

[00:40:55] And the other 30% believe there was no evidence due to a government, government conspiracy.

[00:40:59] Which is very funny.

[00:41:01] Um, so like it already sets up, we're in the satanic panic stuff.

[00:41:04] Uh, which is also something that Maxine does too.

[00:41:07] Interestingly.

[00:41:07] True.

[00:41:07] That's right.

[00:41:08] Yeah.

[00:41:08] So you already, you're, you're keyed in more than you are that something weird like this

[00:41:12] is happening than you are in the invitation, right?

[00:41:14] The invitation doesn't give you any, any clue at all what's going on necessarily.

[00:41:17] Right.

[00:41:17] And this one like gives you text on screen telling you you're in the satanic panic era.

[00:41:21] Exactly.

[00:41:21] Yeah.

[00:41:22] You're in a satanic panic era and weird stuff is going to happen.

[00:41:24] Um, and so it's a really reveal that like, yes, there is.

[00:41:27] And then have a couple more minutes before the action starts.

[00:41:30] I was just like, Oh, that's interesting.

[00:41:31] And I don't really know what the point of that story bringing that up again was.

[00:41:34] I forget where I was.

[00:41:35] I had a connection that I was going to make somewhere, but I think the character is really

[00:41:38] good in this.

[00:41:38] I think, I think the, the, the opening credits to this is like your reaction to frailty

[00:41:44] where it's like power is boot.

[00:41:46] Like, yeah.

[00:41:48] Tom Newton.

[00:41:49] Names kept coming up.

[00:41:50] Yeah.

[00:41:50] Tom Newton.

[00:41:51] You got Greta Gerwig.

[00:41:52] Greta Gerwig.

[00:41:53] What?

[00:41:53] Yeah.

[00:41:53] Mary Warren of.

[00:41:54] Yeah.

[00:41:57] Um, is there anybody, I think there might've been somebody else.

[00:41:59] I don't remember.

[00:41:59] Uh, I know Lena Dunham has like a cameo in it as a, she's a 911 operator or something.

[00:42:04] Yeah.

[00:42:05] Yeah.

[00:42:05] And AJ Bowen is also in it.

[00:42:07] Who is, uh, another one of those like indie horror directors.

[00:42:09] Um, he plays Victor Ullman, but yeah, he's also, he's, he's also in like your next and

[00:42:13] he's in a bunch of stuff like that too.

[00:42:15] So yeah, it was, it was very fun.

[00:42:17] I mean, Greta Gerwig is great in this to continue.

[00:42:19] It's a check off the box for more of my Gerwig watching from Mike makes my watch.

[00:42:23] This was an accidental one.

[00:42:24] I forgot that she was in this movie.

[00:42:26] Yeah.

[00:42:26] You definitely didn't mean to do this one, but, um, so yeah, I don't know.

[00:42:31] I thought it was great.

[00:42:31] I thought the characters were really great.

[00:42:32] Uh, the, the friendships, like, you know, uh, Sam and Gerwig's character, like being like,

[00:42:37] you know, this is weird, right?

[00:42:38] Like, you know, why are you going to this babysit this guy's house?

[00:42:42] And then she finds out she's not actually babysitting.

[00:42:44] She just has to watch the guy's older mother or his mother-in-law.

[00:42:47] Right.

[00:42:47] And she's like, you, we should get out of here, man.

[00:42:49] Like all this stuff.

[00:42:50] And she just ignores it because she needs the money for rent.

[00:42:53] It's a really up to the end of the day.

[00:42:54] Capitalism is the evil one.

[00:42:55] Like always.

[00:42:56] Um, and then, and then satanic panic shit happens.

[00:42:59] Yes.

[00:43:00] Yeah, it sure does.

[00:43:00] I mean, uh, my memory of watching the house, the devil.

[00:43:03] And again, I haven't seen this since I was like 17 maybe, but I remember it's like a full

[00:43:08] movie's not that long.

[00:43:09] It's like 90 minutes, right?

[00:43:10] Something like that.

[00:43:11] It's like an hour and a half.

[00:43:12] And I remember like a full like hour and 10 minutes.

[00:43:15] It being just like, we're hanging around the house for a while.

[00:43:18] Yeah.

[00:43:18] Yeah.

[00:43:19] And I think I might even be misremembering some of the stuff because I actually forgot

[00:43:23] about this moment, which was incredible.

[00:43:24] And my, all my friends and I were just like screaming, you know?

[00:43:27] Uh, yeah.

[00:43:27] When, uh, Greta Gerwig is her, is her ride is, is main character is ride to this house

[00:43:32] and drops her off, whatever.

[00:43:33] She's like, this is weird.

[00:43:34] You should leave.

[00:43:35] And she doesn't.

[00:43:35] And so she leaves, uh, Gerwig leaves and she pulls over to like light a cigarette in a

[00:43:39] game, in a, in a cemetery, which is pretty weird.

[00:43:41] Um, and this guy walks up to her and like lights her cigarette and blah, blah, blah.

[00:43:46] He's like talking her up a little bit and just kind of being a funny guy.

[00:43:48] And he's like, Oh, are you the babysitter?

[00:43:50] And she's like, what?

[00:43:51] No, that's my friend.

[00:43:53] And he's like, okay, good.

[00:43:54] And he just pulls out a gun and fucking blows her head off.

[00:43:57] It's like, Whoa, shit.

[00:43:58] My friends and I were like screaming.

[00:44:00] Um, but that happens before the moment where you see the ritual room.

[00:44:04] So like you're already tipped off even way earlier than I actually remembered that.

[00:44:07] Sure.

[00:44:08] Yeah.

[00:44:08] So there, so there is like stuff happening throughout the movie, but again, but it is long scenes

[00:44:12] of just like, like, I remember specifically there was like, you know, there's a pizza

[00:44:15] and like the babysitter is just like dancing around, listening to music for a while.

[00:44:19] Right.

[00:44:19] It's like, honestly, one of my favorite parts of the movie.

[00:44:21] It's very joyful.

[00:44:22] I remember being really fun.

[00:44:23] Yeah.

[00:44:24] Yeah.

[00:44:24] Yeah.

[00:44:24] Cause the whole stick is she like accidentally, it's one of those things where she just like

[00:44:29] doesn't respond.

[00:44:30] So Tom Newton's character, who's like eight feet tall in this movie, he's like, okay,

[00:44:35] I'll, I'll, you know, I'll give you a hundred dollars.

[00:44:38] And she like, just doesn't really respond.

[00:44:39] And he's like, okay, fine.

[00:44:40] $200.

[00:44:41] And he just keeps going and he's up to $400, which like is her entire month's rent.

[00:44:45] Yeah.

[00:44:46] And so, and he's like, and there's $20 on the fridge for pizza and she orders pizza and

[00:44:51] yeah.

[00:44:51] And she's just like, Oh baby, I've got it easy.

[00:44:53] I just got to sit here for three hours.

[00:44:54] And she puts her walkman on and she's dancing around the house eating pizza, like swiffering

[00:44:58] or whatever the fuck.

[00:44:59] Uh, and, and she knocks over a vase and that's like what is like tips the whole movie over

[00:45:03] into, Oh shit.

[00:45:04] Uh, stuff is going to happen.

[00:45:06] Stuff's happening.

[00:45:07] Yes, absolutely.

[00:45:08] D Wallace is also in the movie, by the way.

[00:45:10] I knew there was one more.

[00:45:11] Yeah.

[00:45:11] She was the landlady.

[00:45:12] Uh, D Wallace, who was the mom in a E.T.

[00:45:14] Yeah.

[00:45:15] Yeah.

[00:45:15] And Cujo.

[00:45:16] And Cujo and the howling and, uh, critters and frighteners.

[00:45:21] Rob zombies Halloween.

[00:45:22] She's in a lot of stuff.

[00:45:22] She's in a lot of stuff.

[00:45:23] Horror icon.

[00:45:24] D Wallace.

[00:45:25] Yes, absolutely.

[00:45:26] All right.

[00:45:26] Any, anything else about house of the devil that you'd want to give a shout out to Mike?

[00:45:29] How do you think this fits into like the Thai West filmography for you?

[00:45:32] I mean, the roles we've seen.

[00:45:33] The roles we've seen in Thai West play.

[00:45:35] I don't know.

[00:45:36] I mean, like you, like you, like I think he's a filmmaker who was kind of hit or miss

[00:45:39] for me, but when he hits, I think he hits really well.

[00:45:41] And X was like sort of, sort of like a revelation for me.

[00:45:44] I was like, he's still got it maybe.

[00:45:46] Yeah.

[00:45:46] You know, and Pearl, I really liked as well.

[00:45:48] But, uh, yeah.

[00:45:49] How do you think house of the devil kind of ranks for you in the West filmography?

[00:45:52] I think it'd be pretty high.

[00:45:54] You know, I think X is going to, is my favorite for sure.

[00:45:56] Out of the ones that I've seen, which is only.

[00:45:58] I think it's my favorite too.

[00:45:58] Yeah.

[00:45:59] So it's like the Maxine trilogy, then house of the devil and innkeepers, which I haven't

[00:46:02] seen in forever.

[00:46:04] Sure.

[00:46:04] So, uh, out of those five.

[00:46:06] Yeah.

[00:46:06] I guess, I guess it's like second, I guess.

[00:46:08] I mean, X house of the devil, Pearl, uh, Maxine innkeepers.

[00:46:12] I don't know.

[00:46:12] I haven't seen meeting.

[00:46:13] I haven't seen innkeepers in 10 years.

[00:46:14] So I remember really liking innkeepers, but I remember feeling really bored, which I

[00:46:18] don't know.

[00:46:19] Cause I remember feeling that way that innkeepers where it's like, yeah, it's like, it's just

[00:46:22] like house of the devil.

[00:46:23] Nothing is happening for a very long time.

[00:46:25] And then at the end, some crazy shit happens.

[00:46:26] Some crazy shit happens.

[00:46:27] Yeah.

[00:46:28] Yeah.

[00:46:28] That's true.

[00:46:28] I kind of remember there being like a question at the end of innkeepers, like did this, is

[00:46:32] this real or whatever?

[00:46:33] Cause it's like a haunted hotel or something like an attraction or something.

[00:46:37] I don't know.

[00:46:37] I don't really remember.

[00:46:38] Yeah.

[00:46:38] I mean, it's, it's been again, a million years since I've watched innkeepers.

[00:46:42] I'm looking at the Wikipedia page right now.

[00:46:44] So I'll read you the last couple of sentences.

[00:46:46] Okay.

[00:46:46] Disoriented.

[00:46:49] Yeah.

[00:46:51] Yeah.

[00:47:09] Yeah.

[00:47:11] As she turns toward the viewer, the door slammed shut.

[00:47:14] Okay.

[00:47:14] So less of a question mark than I remember.

[00:47:17] Interesting.

[00:47:18] Sounds pretty good.

[00:47:19] I should realize the innkeepers.

[00:47:21] Yeah.

[00:47:22] I, I, I mean, I did like the innkeepers, but I have virtually no memory of that movie at

[00:47:25] all.

[00:47:26] None.

[00:47:26] Yeah.

[00:47:26] I do remember Lena Dunham is in it also like, and she actually has like a, like an onscreen

[00:47:30] role, not just a voice cameo.

[00:47:31] Oh, what a shame.

[00:47:32] Um, I don't know.

[00:47:36] Not a girls fan.

[00:47:36] Yeah.

[00:47:36] I don't know.

[00:47:37] Let's, let's take a dig at Lena Dunham for some reason.

[00:47:39] Um, what are you, the internet in 2012?

[00:47:42] Is that?

[00:47:42] Yeah, exactly.

[00:47:44] And today, I guess.

[00:47:45] And today.

[00:47:45] And today.

[00:47:46] I will say girls.

[00:47:47] Great show.

[00:47:48] I really loved girls back in the day.

[00:47:49] I never really watched it.

[00:47:50] Just give it a try.

[00:47:51] Yeah.

[00:47:52] It's, it's where I first saw Adam driver, right?

[00:47:54] Yeah.

[00:47:54] Yeah.

[00:47:54] Yeah.

[00:47:55] Yeah.

[00:47:55] He was on girls before he was in anything else.

[00:47:56] Uh, yeah, he's great in that show.

[00:47:58] He's amazing.

[00:47:58] It's no, it's no house of the devil, I guess.

[00:48:00] I mean, how's the devil?

[00:48:01] Pretty good.

[00:48:01] Pretty good.

[00:48:02] Pretty good.

[00:48:04] Yeah.

[00:48:05] I don't know.

[00:48:05] I think, uh, I feel like wasn't, I feel like I remember when X was coming out, Ty West

[00:48:09] being on some podcast or whatever and him talking about the hiatus and stuff.

[00:48:13] And that like, he also made a lot of those scream, the TV show screams, the episodes

[00:48:17] or like you went to work in TV for a while or something.

[00:48:19] Okay.

[00:48:20] I don't really remember what the timeframe of that was.

[00:48:22] So maybe I'm getting that up.

[00:48:23] Uh, yeah, I'm looking at it and yeah, no, actually like 2015 through like

[00:48:27] 2024, 21.

[00:48:28] Uh, yeah, he directed a lot of TV episodes.

[00:48:30] He did one episode of the scream TV show.

[00:48:32] Oh, but yeah, also did a wayward pines, uh, outcast, the exorcist TV show.

[00:48:37] Remember that show?

[00:48:37] Remember that show?

[00:48:38] That existed.

[00:48:39] I'd never watched it.

[00:48:40] Uh, yeah.

[00:48:41] Show's called the passage and chambers and the residents, uh, them.

[00:48:45] Yeah.

[00:48:45] No, he's, he's did a lot of stuff.

[00:48:47] So yeah.

[00:48:47] So he was working, uh, just wasn't making any feature films for a while, I guess, but,

[00:48:51] uh, was, was working pretty steadily in TV.

[00:48:53] So yeah.

[00:48:53] All that to say, I think, uh, I think Ty West, same deal for me when he hits and it, and

[00:48:58] it hits like my sensibilities or whatever, like, Oh baby, let's go.

[00:49:01] Uh, but when it's, when it's slightly off, maybe I'm just like not into it.

[00:49:04] I don't really know.

[00:49:05] Fair enough.

[00:49:06] Uh, I will say, so next year for Mike makes Mike watch, I've actually, I've been kind

[00:49:09] of like preliminarily, like kind of putting your list together for the 2025 Mike makes

[00:49:13] Mike watches.

[00:49:14] Okay.

[00:49:14] And one of them I think is going to be your next because yeah, you haven't seen it and

[00:49:19] I think you would really enjoy it.

[00:49:20] Ty West is in your next.

[00:49:21] He's one of the characters in that movie.

[00:49:23] Really?

[00:49:23] He has a death scene that is hilarious.

[00:49:25] It's really, really good.

[00:49:26] Uh, he plays Tariq.

[00:49:27] He's a pretentious filmmaker.

[00:49:29] Uh, and I wonder what that could be about.

[00:49:32] Yeah.

[00:49:33] Right.

[00:49:34] That's awesome.

[00:49:35] Yeah.

[00:49:35] So yeah.

[00:49:36] You're next, I think is going to be on the, on the Mike makes Mike watch rotation for

[00:49:39] next year.

[00:49:40] Unfortunately, I'm, I'm waiting until like September, October to kind of fit the, the

[00:49:43] horror vibe, you know?

[00:49:45] Yeah.

[00:49:45] Yeah.

[00:49:45] Uh, so if you watch it ahead of then let me know and I'll, I'll change it to something

[00:49:48] else.

[00:49:49] Okay.

[00:49:50] That could be a fun one to do on the pod.

[00:49:51] So I might wait, but I've, that's been one of those like, uh, modern era horror classics.

[00:49:56] That I've, haven't seen.

[00:49:58] And that a lot of people are very excited about all the time.

[00:50:00] So I've been like, Oh man, I gotta remember to watch your next, you know, like, like hush

[00:50:04] and, uh, I don't know.

[00:50:05] Have you not seen hush?

[00:50:07] I, well, no, I have seen hush, but like movies like that, that, you know, from that or end,

[00:50:11] and the guests and invitation, you know, all those things that I just never got around

[00:50:14] to you at the time.

[00:50:15] So maybe I'll wait a year for you if you're lucky.

[00:50:19] Uh, it's either that or Ouija origin of evil.

[00:50:22] Uh, maybe both September, October.

[00:50:25] That could be the thing.

[00:50:27] I mean, yeah, no, also Ouija origin of evil rules.

[00:50:30] I think you're going to really enjoy it.

[00:50:31] Yeah.

[00:50:31] Hush is on shutter now, by the way.

[00:50:33] Uh, which, uh, is cool to see that that movie was like, it was a Netflix original for

[00:50:36] so long, uh, and had like a weird rights thing.

[00:50:39] And now it's like lapsed from Netflix and it's finally has like a new home.

[00:50:41] I think it has a new Blu-ray now, which is exciting.

[00:50:43] Yeah.

[00:50:43] There was at a, when I was in Los Angeles, it happened to be during beyond fest, which

[00:50:48] we talked about, I think the last discussions episode, I guess.

[00:50:51] Yeah.

[00:50:51] At some point we talked about it.

[00:50:52] Yeah.

[00:50:52] In the last few weeks.

[00:50:53] Um, and one of the things during beyond fest that I didn't get to go to cause I wasn't

[00:50:56] in LA for it, uh, was a screening of the new cut of hush.

[00:51:00] It's like a black and white reedit.

[00:51:02] Like it's not just like, Oh, we changed the colors thing.

[00:51:05] There's like other stuff in it or something.

[00:51:06] I forgot what it's called.

[00:51:07] It's totally silent now, right?

[00:51:08] It's the shush cut.

[00:51:11] Um, so yeah, there's like a bunch of stuff that like, I guess because of the lights are

[00:51:15] finally returned to Flanagan or whatever.

[00:51:17] I don't really know.

[00:51:18] He finally is getting to release it in other versions and stuff, which is pretty cool.

[00:51:22] I'll be curious to see if that happens with any of his other Netflix stuff too, because

[00:51:25] he has a lot of stuff that he made for Netflix, uh, mostly TV shows.

[00:51:28] Uh, the Hill house, which I've actually only watched Hill house.

[00:51:31] I'm such a big Flanagan fan for his features.

[00:51:33] And I was, and every time he has new show, I'm like, Oh man, I got to watch blind manor.

[00:51:36] I got to watch midnight mass.

[00:51:38] I got to watch the house of the fall of us here.

[00:51:39] I got to watch all these things.

[00:51:40] And because they're TV and they're all Netflix shows, I just instantly forget about them.

[00:51:44] Yes.

[00:51:44] Correct.

[00:51:45] Um, but definitely I, I haven't watched blind manor and I don't really know why, but I've

[00:51:49] watched midnight mass is incredible.

[00:51:50] And so is, I think fall of the house, fall of the house of us here is the best one.

[00:51:54] That one is incredible.

[00:51:55] It's so fucking good.

[00:51:56] Yeah.

[00:51:56] Nice.

[00:51:56] Okay.

[00:51:57] If you had to pick one, go to fall of the house of us here.

[00:51:59] All right.

[00:51:59] Good to know.

[00:51:59] I feel, I feel like midnight mass is like the consensus, like, Oh man, that's one of the

[00:52:02] best things I've ever seen.

[00:52:03] It is really good.

[00:52:04] Also.

[00:52:04] So, so yeah, one of these days I'm going to get around to watching it.

[00:52:07] Uh, but yeah, my Flanagan, great filmmaker, Dr. Sleep underrated.

[00:52:10] Really good.

[00:52:10] Yeah, definitely.

[00:52:11] Dr. Sleep's great.

[00:52:12] Yeah.

[00:52:13] Also, Ouija 2 rules.

[00:52:15] It's, it's got no right to be good for him.

[00:52:17] Yes, absolutely.

[00:52:18] All right.

[00:52:18] Any, uh, other thoughts about house of the devil?

[00:52:20] Mike, before we start wrapping this up?

[00:52:21] Um, it's cool to see, it was very cool to see Mary Warren off outside of the opening

[00:52:26] bit in chopping ball.

[00:52:27] Cause I've never actually, like, I know who she is and I know she's part of that.

[00:52:30] Yeah.

[00:52:30] Corbin Paul Motel, all that stuff.

[00:52:32] But like, I've never actually seen her in another movie other than chopping mall off the

[00:52:35] top.

[00:52:36] Have you not seen rock and roll high school, Mike?

[00:52:38] I was just about to say that I'm aware of.

[00:52:40] Okay.

[00:52:40] So you've never, so, Oh, so you have seen rock and roll high school.

[00:52:43] I have seen rock and roll high school, but like, I've never like been like, that's

[00:52:45] Mary Warren.

[00:52:45] Uh, she's like the, she's like the suck up principal in a rock and roll high school that

[00:52:49] tracks.

[00:52:49] And I was about to like furiously edit my Mike makes Mike watch 2025 list to get, to

[00:52:55] get rock and roll high school on there because that movie rules.

[00:52:57] It's incredible.

[00:52:58] It's great.

[00:52:58] Yeah.

[00:52:58] All right.

[00:52:59] I think it's going to, uh, wrap things up for this week, Mike, uh, the invitation and

[00:53:03] the house of the devil.

[00:53:04] We, we did it.

[00:53:05] I almost forgot the name of the movie for a second.

[00:53:07] What's the next, uh, Mike makes Mike watch.

[00:53:09] What are you making me watch November?

[00:53:10] Next month in November, I am deciding to carry on the horror movie train.

[00:53:16] Okay.

[00:53:17] Um, because I was started, I guess with, uh, I'm going to be a, I'm going to be a

[00:53:19] a, uh, 28 weeks later.

[00:53:21] Right.

[00:53:21] Last month.

[00:53:21] Sure.

[00:53:22] In September.

[00:53:22] Yeah.

[00:53:22] In September.

[00:53:23] And I was like, what if I just make Mike watch a bunch of horror movies for the rest

[00:53:27] of the year?

[00:53:27] Sure.

[00:53:28] That'd be fine.

[00:53:28] That'd be fine.

[00:53:29] Uh, so the next one for, you know, start of the holiday season, get, getting ready to

[00:53:33] go.

[00:53:34] Yeah.

[00:53:34] It's Kashi Miike's audition.

[00:53:36] Hell yeah.

[00:53:36] Yeah.

[00:53:37] Uh, that's great.

[00:53:38] Uh, I've, I've never seen audition.

[00:53:40] I actually do own the arrow Blu-ray of that.

[00:53:42] And I've been meaning to watch it for a very long time.

[00:53:45] Uh, so yeah, that's great.

[00:53:46] This will give me the push to finally watch audition.

[00:53:48] Great.

[00:53:48] Uh, it's another slow burn.

[00:53:50] So get ready.

[00:53:50] Yeah.

[00:53:50] And you get ready for the slowest burn of your life, buddy, because in November I am

[00:53:56] making you watch, uh, Martin Scorsese's The Irishman.

[00:53:59] Okay.

[00:53:59] All right.

[00:54:00] Okay.

[00:54:00] Uh, which is a movie that I love, uh, full on five stars.

[00:54:03] I am going to try to make a point to like actually rewatch The Irishman for this podcast

[00:54:07] because yeah, I'm making you do a three and a half hour movie.

[00:54:10] You can't do it alone.

[00:54:11] Thank you.

[00:54:12] I appreciate it.

[00:54:13] And it's a movie that I saw, I got the chance to see in a theater when it came out,

[00:54:16] uh, which I know very few people actually did.

[00:54:18] And I think that really made a difference in terms of how I liked it versus how I saw

[00:54:23] other people reacting to it.

[00:54:24] Uh, I know you won't get the chance to watch it in a theater, but if you can watch it in

[00:54:27] one sitting, I highly recommend that you do.

[00:54:29] Uh, I think it's just one thing.

[00:54:31] Like it's something that you kind of have to sit with, I think when you're watching it.

[00:54:33] Yeah.

[00:54:34] Um, but yeah, it rules.

[00:54:35] I'm excited for you to watch it.

[00:54:36] It is like, it sounds daunting.

[00:54:38] It's, I think it's a very funny movie also.

[00:54:39] Uh, so, you know, in the way that like Goodfellas is often very funny, you know, like that,

[00:54:43] that kind of thing.

[00:54:44] It does not have like the energy of Goodfellas, uh, because it is more about like being

[00:54:48] a sad old man, like stuck in this life kind of thing.

[00:54:51] Everyone's a lot older now.

[00:54:52] Yeah, exactly.

[00:54:53] Uh, well in, in the Irishman, they're older and younger.

[00:54:56] You're going to get the DH versions of De Niro and Pacino.

[00:54:59] Everybody loves that.

[00:55:00] Yeah.

[00:55:01] Uh, so yeah, the Irishman is next month's movie for you.

[00:55:03] And then yours for me was auditions.

[00:55:05] That's going to be a high class episode next month.

[00:55:07] Uh, Takashi Miike and Martin Scorsese.

[00:55:09] That's pretty good.

[00:55:10] That's solid.

[00:55:10] To the Kings of Sinua.

[00:55:11] Yeah.

[00:55:12] Uh, all right.

[00:55:13] So that's going to be next month's, uh, Mike makes Mike watch, which will actually kind

[00:55:16] of also this episode will be out like early November instead of Halloween just because

[00:55:22] of how we're doing it.

[00:55:23] Uh, also you got to pick a birthday movie, Mike.

[00:55:25] Um, I know.

[00:55:26] Um, have you thought of anything or are you familiar?

[00:55:29] Have you figured out what you want that to be?

[00:55:31] Not, not necessarily off.

[00:55:33] Like I haven't said like, this is the movie.

[00:55:34] Yeah.

[00:55:35] Um, but I've got a bunch of stuff.

[00:55:37] I started finally actually using the watch list thing on, on letterboxd.

[00:55:41] For some reason I would keep a notes app, um, of like listening to podcasts.

[00:55:45] Oh, I got to add this to it.

[00:55:46] And then I was like, wait, this fucking exists.

[00:55:48] Like what am I doing?

[00:55:50] Um, so I'll have to, I'll have to go through my, my, uh, my watch list and just kind of

[00:55:54] pick them.

[00:55:54] I'll just pick a move.

[00:55:55] Maybe I'll, maybe I'll just do like a random number generator thing and just like movie

[00:55:59] number.

[00:55:59] Interesting.

[00:56:00] So you're going to roll the dice on your birthday movie here.

[00:56:02] Uh, cause we used, it used to be, it used to be like an old favorite that we would

[00:56:06] just like pick as a, pick as one of our movies.

[00:56:07] That's true.

[00:56:08] But so many of those we've, we've already talked about.

[00:56:10] That's also true.

[00:56:11] Yeah.

[00:56:12] We've both seen, I mean, I guess that was the original was, was speed.

[00:56:15] Speed and Twister, which are two of the classic films.

[00:56:19] That was some debauchery right there.

[00:56:21] Foundational texts.

[00:56:22] Yes.

[00:56:22] A great time.

[00:56:23] Have you heard that speed three is apparently like closer to being made?

[00:56:26] Uh, supposedly, supposedly they're trying to make speed three with Keanu and Sandra Bullock,

[00:56:33] uh, back.

[00:56:34] What?

[00:56:35] Which would be insane.

[00:56:36] Yeah.

[00:56:36] I don't, I don't know if that'll actually get off the ground or not, but theoretically

[00:56:39] Keanu's done making John Wick movies.

[00:56:41] So like, you know, maybe true, true.

[00:56:43] You know, I mean, I, I, or actually, I guess not because ballerina is coming out next year

[00:56:46] and Keanu Reeves is in it.

[00:56:48] I don't know if you saw the trailer for ballerina or not.

[00:56:49] I did not see the trailer, but I saw that Chaz Tahelski had a like ghost direct all the

[00:56:54] reshoots or something.

[00:56:55] Right.

[00:56:56] So yeah, they hired Len Wiseman to direct it, who is the director of the underworld movies

[00:57:00] and also the director of, uh, live for your die hard, bad director.

[00:57:03] Uh, just somebody who has not, I don't think ever made a movie that people really like.

[00:57:08] I mean, I know you're an underworld guy, but I want to clarify.

[00:57:11] I think he directed underworld one.

[00:57:12] I don't, I don't know, but the other, the other one's not so good.

[00:57:15] Yeah.

[00:57:15] Uh, but in any case, I've never been an underworld guy and we, we did a whole episode about

[00:57:18] that a while back.

[00:57:19] And yeah, so Len Wiseman was hired as the director of ballerina.

[00:57:22] And, uh, apparently the, uh, like the cut that was submitted was, uh, so, so off from like

[00:57:28] the standard that John Wick has created for itself.

[00:57:30] Yeah.

[00:57:31] That Chaz Tahelski came in and reshot like 70% of the movie.

[00:57:34] Uh, incredible.

[00:57:35] So now I'm pretty excited to see it.

[00:57:39] Might be a good movie now.

[00:57:40] You know, the trailer actually looks pretty good and it does have, you know, it's got

[00:57:43] at least like one Keanu Reeves scene in it.

[00:57:45] It takes place like in between three and four, I think, or like it's sort of an offshoot of

[00:57:49] three.

[00:57:49] It's about like the ballet stuff from the third movie.

[00:57:52] Yeah.

[00:57:52] And also Ian McShane and Lance Reddick are both in it as well.

[00:57:55] Uh, it's like the last thing Lance Reddick shot before he died.

[00:57:58] Uh, it was crazy.

[00:57:58] We were watching the guest and Lance Reddick shows up in that movie and we were just like,

[00:58:02] yeah, love that guy.

[00:58:04] Yeah.

[00:58:05] He was the best, but yeah.

[00:58:06] So ballerina coming out and I think next year, uh, we'll see how it goes.

[00:58:09] But in any case, what I'm saying is Keanu Reeves could be in speed three.

[00:58:11] He's got time now.

[00:58:13] He's got time now.

[00:58:14] Yeah.

[00:58:14] Finally.

[00:58:15] Yes.

[00:58:15] All right.

[00:58:16] I think it's going to wrap things up for this episode of the podcast.

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[00:58:35] Yes.

[00:58:36] You can make us do speed to cruise control to catch up with speed three.

[00:58:39] You could, you absolutely could.

[00:58:40] I don't know why you would, but you could, uh, do it.

[00:58:42] You could do it.

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