Smith's Birthday By-Law: The Big Sleep (1946)

[00:00:00] Let's get together talk about the movies that we saw this week. We'll have discussions, talk about news, we'll laugh a lot and act like he's a son of a little nether, and guess they're Tuesdays and time just the two of us.

[00:00:10] I'll smack some jokes and tell some folks a co-log and I'm gonna ask, I can't my go to the movies, I can't my go to the movies. Yeah! We'll have to chose them twice. My, my, I say a lot of podcasts around town and so few brains.

[00:00:31] It's like I'm like, go to the movies. I'm like Smith and Jeremy has always as a man who knows better than to wake up a man at two o'clock in the afternoon. My degree, yeah. I didn't even make a... I'm doing great.

[00:00:41] There was a time in my life where two o'clock in the afternoon is when I woke up. And that was crazy because you're part of it. It was when we were allergic to college. And I worked at the closing shift at the wall, just a story at FYE.

[00:00:54] So, worked as a start of till five. Why get up? Yeah, exactly. Yes. There was one time when I was in freshman year I was very bad at this, where I would sleep through night classes. Oh no. Like I would go to bed.

[00:01:10] You know, I like three in the morning or whatever. So, you know, some pretty late. Yeah. And you know, I would set in the alarm or whatever for like 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock. I wouldn't have a class until the afternoon. And then I would sleep through that.

[00:01:23] And then I would just keep on sleeping. I truly one time, I slept through like a 7pm class from like the night before. Like a 12... like a 24 hour sleep. I was, yeah, fully... I got up eventually. But like, I never saw the sun that day. You know what?

[00:01:42] I went to bed and it was dark. And then I woke up and it was dark again. That's amazing. And I think at that point, I was like, I have a problem. I need to get my legs together. I needed to really get my shit together here.

[00:01:58] And now that school doesn't exist that he wore it. And now that school doesn't exist because they let kids like me go there. I have to assume, I don't know. Oh yeah, and speaking of the big sleep. Fucking special, right? Oh, right. They're a man like Smith.

[00:02:19] Let's go. Uh, yeah, so today, here's what we're doing on the podcast. Mike, we should talk about, uh, the birthday by-law. It's right, technically like a new podcast sort of because now we're bonus episodes. Right, yeah, these are bonus episodes of Complete Works.

[00:02:33] And so every year, Mike and I each have birthdays. Like you traditionally, yeah. Traditionally, yes. And so we kind of do a birthday version of Mike makes Mike watch. Yeah, where it's kind of like a quick bonus episode where we each make the other person

[00:02:49] watch something or whoever's birthday it is decides like this is what we are watching. Yes, this week. Because Mike makes Mike watch. We're not like required to watch the movie that we're making the other person watch.

[00:02:59] Sometimes we do set up the fun of watching the kindness of our pal co host abilities. Yes, you do that much more often than I do. I try to. Yeah, I also would like to but who I don't have the time.

[00:03:11] Yes, I watch way less movies broadly than you. I can squeeze in and one extra one. But yeah, so we do that with Mike makes Mike watch where each make each other watch stuff we haven't seen before.

[00:03:22] And then that's not necessarily what we do with the birthday by law. The birthday by law is sometimes just like, oh, here's a fun movie that I want to talk about. Or sometimes it's hey, here's a movie that neither of us have seen before. Let's check it out.

[00:03:32] Right. That kind of thing. And so past birthday by law movies, you used your birthday by law to watch Twister. And you're right to. And speed we decided to make it a Twister and speed episode. Yeah, because we were up to some debonsuary back then. Some down debonsuary.

[00:03:47] Yes, that's right. You may as do that was we did a I think it was your birthday. Maybe it was my birthday in line of duty three and four happened last year. I think that was yours. Mine might have been martial law one and two.

[00:03:58] Yes, martial law one and two which neither of us liked that much. We ended up just talking about Halloween ends. I think for a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Halloween kills. One of the Halloween movies. Yeah, right. It's your birthday happens to be around October.

[00:04:10] You know what my birthday by law will not be this year? Halloween ends. Joker, Folly, a dude because it happens on my birthday. Oh man. And I mean, refuse. I mean, I have to make you watch Joker fall there, do.

[00:04:23] I gotta figure out someone like you'll see it. If you know somebody that will donate $50 to the pod in October. Sure. But my birthday by law will be an anti-pick and it will be not Joker probably.

[00:04:37] It'll be an episode that's just dead silence for 30 minutes because we didn't watch him. Correct. Yes, so the birthday by law can mean a lot of things. A muggrooper was one of mine in the past. Yes. And so this year, my birthday is happening right about now.

[00:04:52] And I decided, you know what? I am going to go to the Roxy this week. I just went this past weekend to go watch Howard Hawks The Big Sleep in 35 millimeter. Which I have seen a couple of times actually, but not since college.

[00:05:05] And I was like, you know what? I'm not sure if Mike de Hesine this and I had not. And you had not. And I was like, you know, I'm going to watch you anyway.

[00:05:12] It's killed two birds of one stone here and just make it a birthday by law. Let's do this. And so that is what we did. I made Mike de Watch The Big Sleep from 1946. And so yeah, let's get into it.

[00:05:25] It's time for we don't really have a theme song for the birthday by law. So let's just buy the trailer for The Big Sleep right here. It was a fascinating story, but here's one that has everything the fog and had in more.

[00:05:49] It's Raymond Chandler's latest best seller, The Big Sleep. And what a picture that'll bake. Might have I look at it? Sometimes I wonder what strange fate brought me out of the storm to that house that's did alone in the shadows.

[00:06:08] So I probed into its mysteries every clue told me a different story. We each had the same ending. Murder. Every instinct warned me to be aware that something more dangerous more deadly than I'd ever known before was in that room. And suddenly. Like law. That's ain't my better.

[00:06:42] And Kyle is our editor and so now we're going to find out after the fact that if there is a trailer for The Big Sleep. Otherwise there will be a weird space in the audio. I'm going to just there.

[00:07:08] Didn't the happy birthday song into the public domain now? Kyle, if you wanted to. That's true. He could do a cover of the happy birthday song. You can kind of birthday by a lot of theme song.

[00:07:19] He might take this as a challenge to come up with a birthday by a lot of theme song. So Kyle, do your thing? Whatever it was, it was great. Yeah, whatever it was, fantastic. Loved it. I hope it was great.

[00:07:31] I really hope that he doesn't do it now. I hope it's just the, I hope that it's just the blank space of sound. That's good, good, good. But yeah, the big sleep from 1946 directly by Howard Hawks, starring Humphrey Bogart and Dorothy Malone.

[00:07:45] And like I said, I chose this movie for The Birthday By Alaw. Mostly because I was going to go watch it anyway. It was playing at the Rocksy, the Rocksy in the month of June did a series called Rocksy Confidential, which is a good name. Yes.

[00:07:59] And it's actually the return of a Rocksy series. We did this a few years back. Where Rocksy Confidential is essentially just like four or five, like really essential film noir. And so in the past, that's included like the Maltese Falcon and that kind of thing.

[00:08:10] Double and damn the knee was also in the last series this year. The series was all movies I had seen before, which you know, maybe because I work at the Rocksy and can push them towards movies that I know.

[00:08:21] But so this year it was out of the past, the Jack Trinity from 1947, starring Howard Mitchum. And then it was something else. And completely blanking on what the second one was now. And that's going to drive me insane. I'll look at that later.

[00:08:36] Did it have a logic or junior? I don't think so. What then what's even the point? But I mean it could, exactly. Definitely. I don't know. Oh, you know, the second one was the killing. Stanley Cooper actually. Really? Okay. I think he's in that actually.

[00:08:48] Oh, hey, there you go. It was out of the past, the killing. And then this week was the big sleep and then it was in a lonely place, which I just watched it on the place for the first time earlier this year.

[00:08:59] And that would be the masterpiece people should go watch if they have to say that. But the big sleep I had seen twice before both in college because I took a film noir class. Oh, that's in college.

[00:09:07] So there was a class that my college offered called film genres which you could take multiple times because they changed the genre every semester. And so I took that class three times. Okay. Because I was like, well, even though this credit counts for the same thing, like

[00:09:21] I don't think I would get like, I must have gotten some kind of credit for it. Because otherwise that's insane. But part of me was like, are you know what? I think I had earned the credit already and it didn't count for like towards my major anymore.

[00:09:33] But like as far as like electives go, I could just like take it as an elective. Yeah. And that's what I did. And so I took a Western's class. I think that was the first one. And then it was the film noir class.

[00:09:43] And then there was a sci-fi class that I took nice. All of which were really fun and I watched a lot of really cool movies that way. But the film noir class was probably my favorite because I had not seen most of those movies at that point.

[00:09:54] I didn't be the only one I had maybe had watched before that class was the multi-s Falcon. And so I watched a ton of great movies as a result of that one. But one of the ones that really stuck with me from that class was the Big Sleep.

[00:10:04] And part of that was because of the assignment that was attached to it. We had to watch the Big Sleep from 1946, which and you know we would just go out of the class, watch the movie. And then the following week, we watched the Big Sleep again.

[00:10:16] But in a different version there's like a reassembled cut of the movie that was discovered in the 90s. Really? Yes. And it's sort of like an early version of like what would become like known as directors cuts like down the line. Okay. Yeah.

[00:10:29] Which was like just wasn't a thing back in the 30s and 40s. Like a director's cut that didn't exist. And so we watched the original version, then we watched this like Directors Cut Version.

[00:10:37] And my memory of the Directors Cut version is that it was less fun than the original. But it made a little more sense. I think the idea of that version was to sort of like actually tell you what the story is. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:10:53] And so the assignment was basically kind of comparing and contrast those two versions. And like kind of talk about you know, how just reassembling certain scenes or like things kind of come out of order, like adding this like as context to it and like kind of

[00:11:05] it, like kind of taught me a lot about like how you know even though you can be watching the same thing in like two different versions. Like it like small minor changes to happen and like the movie could feel radically different as a result.

[00:11:16] And so yeah, I watched the Big Sleep then did it necessarily on it. Haven't watched a sense. And the rocks he was showing it for this month were actually confidential and it was in 35 millimeter, which I was like well, I can't pass up watching the basically about 35 millimeter.

[00:11:29] That's going to rule that's pretty cool. And so I went and indeed it did rule. It was really fun. And it was really fun to watch that. It was a sold-out crowd. People really into it. It's a really funny movie.

[00:11:39] And I think it's a movie that I had forgotten how funny it was until I was in the crowd with people who were laughing at it all that kind of stuff. It was a really good print too.

[00:11:48] It was a really, it was kind of a messed up print a little bit. It was a print from the 90s that had like sort of, it was a Frankenstein print. They had taken a bunch of different prints and like put them together into like one cohesive movie.

[00:12:00] Amazing. But yeah, it played very well. It had a great audience reaction. People really into it. And so yeah, had a great time rewatching the Big Sleep for the birthday by law. My D, you had never seen the Big Sleep. So what'd you think?

[00:12:12] Well, so first of all, in a confirmed, a large cooking is in the killing. So you can accidentally coupously killing. So we stand a large a cook Jr. We stand Lee Kubrick, a lecture machine. Yes, correct.

[00:12:23] But yeah, it's funny actually that you were talking about that with your classes and your class credits because I have a similar story unrelated to film noir. But it's just the college advisors or the dumbest people on earth.

[00:12:36] So I was in the honors college at my university because I was fucking nerd and I pushed my glasses up. And so then you had to take a certain number of honors classes every semester. And number of credits worth of honors credit. Right? Okay.

[00:12:53] And there was an English honors class and it was like I forget, you know, English 230. Whatever it was, it was a specific class that was for the honors English class. So I took that and then I was like, well, I'm getting an English major and eating English.

[00:13:05] And I need honors credits. Should I just keep taking this honors class? Like yes, you should. My advisor told me like a fool. So I took that class. So it turns out you can only take at this at my college.

[00:13:17] You can only take the same class code twice for credit. So I took the English, you know, one semester, one semester, my third semester, I took it, got my GPA on that shit, zero credit on that class. Like no credits. And I was like, huh?

[00:13:30] And I had a write, I was like a whole little thing. We had to investigate and find out. And I had to prove that I was like explicitly advised to take that class a third time. And they, they resettled on.

[00:13:42] It would count towards my overall credit requirement to get a degree, but would not count towards my major credits. And I was like, this is so at least I didn't pay for zero. Sure. But like, it's like, you fucking told me to do this. So that's wild.

[00:13:56] That you had a similar potential thing. Yes. Anyway, I took an English, I took a detective fiction class. Yeah. And so I read all the books that all these noir reviews are based off of in the class. But I never actually saw most of the movies.

[00:14:11] So you've read Raymond Chandler's The Big Sleep. I've read the Big Sleep, I read the Maltese Falcon, I've read whatever, you know, but all that stuff. Very fun, very great class, definitely dress, all that, you know, that book is based

[00:14:22] off of that movie's based off, awesome class, a lot of fun. Big Sleep, the book really no more comprehensible than the movie. If you really want to get into it, it is very much about, I was going to say, Sam's

[00:14:34] paid, but that's the character in the Maltese Falcon. Right. Phillip Marley. There we go. Phillip Marley. Being drawn into this web of deceit and layers and murder, and all this stuff. And it's interesting to you.

[00:14:47] I think potentially part of the plot in the book is a little bit more comprehensible because they're able to be explicit about the stuff that's going on at the bookstore and the photo that they have of the daughter.

[00:15:01] And that they can be like, oh, yeah, this is a legal porn shop. And they're smuggling smut and they can, like, literally say that stuff. But you can't because the Hayes code in 1946. So but I guess audiences at the time would probably understand exactly what's going

[00:15:15] on at the bookstore in particular. I think it's obvious what's happening with the black male and the photograph, but at least the stuff revolving around the bookstore probably makes a lot more sense in 1946. Right. And it does to us now.

[00:15:26] But yeah, it's, I mean, this movie is great. And Hawks as one of those kind of titans of early cinema before pre-autar theory and all that stuff. And before the director's mattered to like the population writ large, is definitely one

[00:15:42] of those guys that is a pretty big hole for me. I haven't seen a lot of his stuff for stuff that I like things that I'm aware of that are Howard Hawks movies. I might have seen them just in like my early watching TCM as like discovering movies

[00:15:54] phase. But not I got really remembers. Same thing. I mean, I've seen probably a couple same thing with Ford and like me, uh, maybe like Billy Wilder or however, like I don't really know other people that fall fit in this era of those kind of directors.

[00:16:06] Yeah, I mean, all three of those guys were making movies around the same time. Yeah. So it was exciting to watch this and like feel like Howard Hawks picture. Yeah. This is what of them. Yes, yeah.

[00:16:17] Some other Howard Hawks pictures for those because I mean, he's somebody who is very well known for screw-all comedies right? That's pretty cool Friday. He's kind of one of the big ones there, bringing up baby. But yeah, then he's also done like to have and have not.

[00:16:27] Which is phenomenal movie. This movie obviously Rio Bravo is a Howard Hawks picture. Yeah, the original Scarface from 1932 is a Howard Hawks. Yeah, there's a ton of like big Howard Hawks titles in like the 30s, 40s and 50s. Yeah, I've seen Rio Bravo and his girlfriend and stuff.

[00:16:43] So there's that at least. But yeah, he's definitely somebody that I haven't seen most of his movies. And it's funny too. Like I think one of the interesting parts about the movie is that I mean,

[00:16:53] and this comes from the novel and just like the genre, the heart-boiled detective in general is that his girlfriend, like rapid fire, joke a minute or like a rat-attot dialogue that's going on and there's so much of that in this movie. That's just like amazing.

[00:17:06] And of course it's you know, boogie in the call. So it's just like electricity. Like oh my god. Yes, yeah, it's nuts. I mean, Lauren Bacoll was like kind of a supporting character in the movie while Humphrey Bogaard's very much the lead. Yeah.

[00:17:17] But they're both, yeah, every time they're on screen together, fireworks. It's unbelievable. They, I mean, boogie in the call like one of those obviously a real life couple. Like they were, you know, married and real life.

[00:17:27] Believe they met on the set up to have an have-notce, which have you seen that movie? I don't think I have no man, the poet of picture. It's so good. It's so good. And it made four movies together, boogie Bacoll.

[00:17:38] And it was this to have not a key Largo, which is also fantastic. And then Dark Passage, which I've never seen that one. But yeah, this is like it was kind of sold the big sleeve on boogie in Bacoll. Like this is the picture they were made for.

[00:17:51] I was gonna say, I think the poster just says like the picture, the characters, the roles they were born to play or something like that's the tagline. It's got nothing to do with the boogie. Yeah, it's entirely sold on them and they are so, so good in it.

[00:18:06] But I think what's fun about this movie is that, I mean, yes, a lot of it makes no sense. And it's not that it's like trying to be non-sensical, whatever.

[00:18:14] It's just like, I think Howard Hawks is his focus on the boogie was just not the plot at all. And it is like already a Labyrinth in plot. Exactly, yeah. Like the plot is extremely complex to the degree where I think Howard Hawks was like, this doesn't matter.

[00:18:28] Right. Like the actual specifics of everything that's happening doesn't really matter as long as you're kind of just following the vibe of the movie. And I think it really works in that regard. Like I couldn't tell you most of what happens in the big sleeve. Yeah.

[00:18:42] But I could tell you the Humphrey Boogard's pretty great and it is, he's thrown off one line or like nobody's business. And I don't know the movie, despite being like, you know, right in the middle of the Haysco, 1946, whatever, this movie feels steamy. Oh, I don't know, AV.

[00:18:57] If this feels like the sexiest movie ever made when you're watching 100%. Yeah. I mean, even, yeah, right down to like the very beginning of the movie when he shows up at the house to talk to the general, like he's literally in a greenhouse just sweating through his clothes.

[00:19:12] Like, yes, because the general needs like you made it to your whatever I forget what it is. Yeah, when your channel comes in and just like, he just like, he's in his arms, right? Yeah, it's just like, oh, you're cute.

[00:19:22] And then like, like, pretends to faint so he has to catch her. Uh, so he said on my lap while I was standing up. Yeah, I mean, it's incredible. Um, and I love that scene too, right? Or once he's meeting with the general where it's just like, instantly.

[00:19:35] And it's pretty incredible. Like in a filmmaking sense, like I can't, I couldn't really picture out the like, or, or couldn't really like notice the cuts where there's like obviously they're putting on a different shirt or adding more what, like they're cutting to make him sweat more,

[00:19:49] or whatever, you know, spraying water on him or whatever. Um, yeah, like it seems so natural. Like the way he just is suddenly soaked through his shirt or more and more soaked through his shirt is very good. And uh, yeah.

[00:20:00] And then when he meets Lauren McCall for the first time, the her character, I forget what their names are. Vivian Stern was. Stern, yes, yeah, just like, woof, baby. Like, oh, so good. Nobody talks to that, anyway. It's talk to me that way. Oh, do they?

[00:20:14] Like, oh, yeah. Yeah. So hot. Yes, and he has such chemistry with her, but also chemistry with every woman in this movie. Oh, my God. The woman in the bookstore, who I think is who you are only said when you said this starring hungry burger and her,

[00:20:28] you forgot Lauren McCall because you're so taken with the lady at the bookstore. I've had such a crush on Dorothy Malone. Dorothy Malone. Who, yeah, plays the other woman at the bookstore, who was only in the one scene. She's in one scene in this movie. Just DTF, baby.

[00:20:42] Yeah. And it's, I mean, and in my mind, I was like, oh yeah, that's a fun, like, you know, a scene. And then I, like, having just re-watching the movie, I was like, oh, every woman is doing this time for the program. Yeah, very funny. Every single one.

[00:20:54] But yeah, the bookstore scene with Dorothy Malone is so good and so steamy and so fun. Um, just the way she looks at them is the big, like, like the big eyes and like the mouth, like, suddenly open and all like, like, just very hot.

[00:21:06] When she's like, it starts raining and he's, uh, I forget what he says. I forget exactly what happens. He's like, well, I've got to happen to have a very good bottle of bourbon or something in my pocket and I'd rather get wet in here.

[00:21:17] And she's just the door and locks it. It was like, I guess we're closed for the afternoon. No, it's like, hubba, like, woo, like, you know, turn it to a curtsy little, like, like, this is incredible. How do they? He's put a laptop. Yes.

[00:21:27] And then when he finally leaves, like, you know, he like, like, time passes. Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's a window. Yeah. Yeah. Fades to black opens up again and he's like, well, if you have a lot of, see it get a book sometime. Yeah.

[00:21:40] And then the, you know what if they make my favorite line, I think is what the, the cab driver that he has, that's what that's about to bring up. Yeah. Yeah. Here's my card if you ever need another ride. Day or nights, the nights are better.

[00:21:53] I worked during the day. Like, holy shit. That got an audible, like, good fall on that theater. Uh, people are going nuts. It's, it really stood out to be one that it is a woman cab driver,

[00:22:07] just like a, you know, a thing you don't see in movies a lot. Sure. It seems to be just to set up that joke. How do you get like? Yeah, just every, like, it seems like every other person in LA is the most beautiful woman you've ever seen

[00:22:24] and all of them want to jump on free boatgarts bones. Yeah, the entire time. Correct. Which is super fun. And yeah, I love all that stuff about it. And yeah, I don't know. He's just like, that kind of like unflappable, Humphrey Bogart kind of thing

[00:22:36] where he's just, he's witty, he's charming, he's, uh, but also he's very serious about his work and all that kind of stuff. But there's so many just like, you know, small jokes that kind of just get in there and it's so good.

[00:22:46] This movie is all that, co-written by William Faulkner by the way. Wow. Which, yeah, kind of a cool, cool detail as well. And based on the Raymond Chandler novel, which I know also, like, it's, you know, doing that kind of dialogue. Yeah. Yeah. There's a bunch of stuff.

[00:22:58] I mean, it's, it's interesting too because it's, one of those things like, of the hard-boiled genre and stuff is that it's like, um, the detectives, usually the detectives like, um, morals or like code or ethics or whatever, like, is the thing that usually gets them in trouble?

[00:23:14] Um, you know, and I guess that sort of happens in this movie too. Uh, but like, you know, it's like they exist in this like CD underbelly or they have connections, but the fact that they, uh, won't

[00:23:24] won't give into the darkness or whatever, you know, like a kind of thing is what, what causes all the conflict usually. And there's like a really faint, they're like, I think the famous passage in the book, uh, that like, this talks about that with Marlo.

[00:23:35] I can't remember the exact context. If he's got a chest set in his office or something and he like, he's either, I think he like routinely makes moves throughout the book on the chest set and then he makes a move with the night.

[00:23:47] And there's like this, but he like, oh, I, I, I, I, I, undid the, I reverse the move with the night because there's no room for nights in a game like this. You know, like he, like his, he doesn't belong in this world, which is

[00:23:57] interesting to think about it in like lung, uh, what's the, the Robert Altman? Yeah, the long goodbye. Long goodbye. I was going to say it long kiss tonight and I was like, that's not it.

[00:24:04] Long goodbye, which is also a good movie, which also could be a long goodbye is Philip Marlo transported to the 70s, right? So it's like now it's all the sudden his, he doesn't fit into that

[00:24:13] world anymore. It's like that's the suit, this, the seeds for that are sewn in the actual like Marlo texts, you know, um, but that seems not in, in the movie where he doesn't, he doesn't do that

[00:24:22] with the chest set and stuff and I was like, huh, interesting. That would have been, I don't know, a little character moment there. Yeah, interesting. Yeah. No, I mean Marlo is that like, it's one of those characters that has been adapted many times. Yeah, actually, I mean,

[00:24:32] long goodbye being a fairy fams example. I think this being kind of the other very famous example. But, uh, yeah, actually, there was a Marlo movie like two years ago. Yeah, it's not a Liam Neeson, or something like that. Yeah, Liam Neeson plays Marlo and a

[00:24:43] movie called Marlo in like 2022. Just like, I'm not seeing it. I don't know. Yes. Yeah. But yeah, but there was a ton. I mean, fair all my lovely with Robert Mitchum,

[00:24:53] murder of my sweet with the Dick Powell, which I think I also watched that in my noir class. Yeah, that was good. Isn't um, Clive Owen Marlo, you know, TV series right now? Or like,

[00:25:02] was it like a right now? Like just this past year, like just ended recently, like a limited series where he's like in France or some shit or I don't remember. Um, not according to the Philip Marlo

[00:25:13] film adaptations, but could be a page. Okay. Which is what I'm looking for right now. Although supposedly Bad robot is making an upcoming series based on Philip Marlo. Yeah, I don't know. Or I'm curious

[00:25:22] what the Clive Owen show is now. Yeah, I'll find it and let you know how soon as soon as Google um, he's miss your speed. He's Sam's fade. Oh, okay. He makes it the character. He's the

[00:25:32] Muff again. He's famous detective. Sam's fade is now 60 on the in France. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's um anyway. Cool. Yeah. Uh, old man's worth. That's one. We're not talking about Philip. We're not talking

[00:25:43] about Sam's fade. We're talking about Philip Marlo. Get this shit out of here. Um, yeah. No, I had a great time rewatching the big sleep. Uh, any other random scenes in this movie that we feel

[00:25:54] we should talk about, Mike? I mean, the scenes in uh, Geiger's house and everything around that and just the Geiger plot that he runs this bookstore that is a front for like smut or whatever uh, and he's blackmailing the sternwood. The younger the wild starts young sternwood daughter

[00:26:10] getting her high and taking blackmail pictures of her and stuff. Yeah, it's just intense. I don't know. I love all the the way that that all sort of unravels later on at the one guy's apartment with

[00:26:22] the gun. And then it's just more people keep showing up with guns. Yes, funny bit of, but uh, yeah, I like it just the actual like crime that kind of kicks everything off is the classic detective

[00:26:33] hired to do one thing. But witnesses a murder or witnesses another crime that pulls him deeper and deeper into it. Right. It's good. Good. Yeah, and uh, every time somebody comes up with a gun, you know,

[00:26:42] it out of Marlow still kind of remains unflappable about it. You know, we'll have a witnesses him just for out there. So I'm going to gun this one around. So a few brains. That kind of tension.

[00:26:52] It's really good. And he's able to kind of overpower them. He's able to like, you know, you know, once somebody gets distracted, he's able to grab the gun from them. And that suddenly he

[00:26:59] holds all the guns. Yeah. And the gun holster in his car. Very cool. That's a big fan of that. And the way that we would be kind of kind of hinges on that towards the end, when he's like kind of

[00:27:11] escaping that cabin with Lauren Buccall is really good. Really cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome. And like, you know, not necessarily violent, but what action for movie from 1946? You know, sure. Yeah. I

[00:27:21] doubt a lot of, you know, guys, you know, punching people in the stomach. Yeah. And like one big kick and they're like, huh, they go flying. You know, love that stuff. Yes, absolutely. Um, yeah, I think

[00:27:32] watching you again in like kind of knowing Howard Hawks, you know, I guess I think I've seen more of his movies than you have, but it's not certainly not all of them. Yeah. I mean, he's got a lot of

[00:27:42] movies is the thing. You know, he's just a work. Exactly. Yeah. You know, he, he would come out with like a movie a year, sometimes like two or three movies a year. Yeah. And you know, a lot of them are like

[00:27:51] not movies that we really remember all that much today. But like, the big ones are really big. Uh, you know, your Scarface is in Jump Before Blons is a Howard Hawks film. Oh, uh, monkey business.

[00:28:00] Remember monkey business? I talked about that once. So I was like, that's not a carry. Yeah. That's the one. I, I see only thing I remember about that movie and I, I should write this down.

[00:28:07] Yeah. I, I see only thing that I remember about the movie and I watched it. Uh, but I can never remember the name of that movie. And I'm always like, what was that one movie? You might talk to me

[00:28:14] out. Yeah. But yeah. But yeah. But somebody who worked from, you know, the 1920s through 1970. Uh, and, you know, saw the, saw the film industry changed dramatically several times in that

[00:28:26] in that era. But I think his best movies do still have like kind of a throughline through them. Like he could see like, oh, but like even though this is like a hard boiled noir, the big sleep,

[00:28:34] it feels like this guy could have also made his girlfriend. I like, right? Just because of how quickly pasted his and how like snappy that dialogue is all that kind of stuff. It's uh, they feel of a piece with

[00:28:42] each other. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. I think I'll also bring up to a logical junior. You know, he has performed. He's the saddest human that is ever, the saddest to human has ever looked.

[00:28:52] You know, it's in a person is him. Uh, just like what a, what a guy. And he, yes. I had to look up who, like I had to see a picture of life switching your but now that I see it. Like,

[00:29:03] oh, okay. Yes. That's this is that guy. He's an all of them. Um, yeah. When he's uh, uh, he's like another detective. He's like, I can't remember his plot specifically, but uh, yeah.

[00:29:15] When he just like willingly, he gives the wrong address to that, to that, that thug and drinks the poison on per, like so that they can get away just like damn what a guy. Yes. Absolutely.

[00:29:26] That seems great. Uh, the scene, um, right before the bookstore scene with Dorothy Milo and when he goes into the, the bookstore across the street. Yes. And he's kind of looking for information.

[00:29:34] He's talking to that woman and he's doing like a bit the entire time. That's in the book. And yeah, they sort of, I don't know if they explain it necessarily, but yeah, they're, that's like some affectation that would like, I mean, I think it's like obviously, like weirdly

[00:29:49] queer coded and stuff. But uh, sure. It like would immediately tip him off to tip him off as somebody looking for smart is like what he's doing. Uh, okay. And then when I'm from whatever member in the book.

[00:29:59] Yeah. Okay. I mean, watching it now, it kind of just feels like, oh, he's doing a funny voice. Like, he's gonna go weird. Like, like, what's his first, what's your actual, bring myself a little bit? Yeah. He's looking really top of his glasses. Yeah. It reminded me

[00:30:10] of one of my favorite bits in Indiana Jones movie because Indiana Jones gets to be silly so rarely. The bit in last crusade when he's doing a Scottish accent. Yeah. And trying to think about

[00:30:21] the drapes or whatever. Yes, though, the top of the street is much better. You gotta have top of the streets. Yeah. Yeah. For whatever, like it reminded me of this, uh, you know, like this kind

[00:30:30] of like, oh, this is just kind of like doing this thing where he's like, oh, he's going for a very specific rare antique book. Like, do you have a third edition with the, you know, watermark on page 311 or whatever?

[00:30:39] Yeah. And like that's, and the woman's like kind of like fighting back on him and like she hasn't, she doesn't actually know the book these talking about. And that's one of my favorite things

[00:30:46] like when he goes into the, uh, other books or the sex monster. The sex monster. Which is I ironically not the smart front. Yeah. Exactly. He goes into sexy bookstore. Uh, he goes there and he

[00:30:58] mentions the book and she gets like a quiz call look on her face. It's like, well, there was no third edition of that book or something like that. That does exist. Yeah. The girl, the other story didn't

[00:31:06] know that. Yeah. Something fishy going out over there. Yes. And I guess we're close for the afternoon. Um, yes. Yeah. It's good. And just all the performance is everybody's so good in this

[00:31:18] movie. It's like man, never forget they took from us. You know? Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. No, it's a, it's a, it's a terrific film. You know, one of the, I'm not going to say it's one of my all-time favorite

[00:31:27] new hours. Uh, I think there's a couple of that better even higher up there. But man, I think it's just so, it's so fun. Uh, I think if I could understand any of it, it might be one of the favorite new

[00:31:35] more. Yeah. Yeah. But like just because of the, uh, the vibe that it kind of gives off where you're kind of just along for the ride with the Philip Marlow, uh, with Humphrey Bogart. Uh, it's,

[00:31:43] it's really terrific. Yeah. What are your favorite doors, Mike? Before we kind of start repents episode up, do you have like a favorite film noir? Um, I don't know. I mean, I, I really like asphalt jungle. Okay. Which is a John Houston movie. I think right? Yes. Yes.

[00:31:56] It is. That's shit rocks. Uh, it's good movie. And movie rocks. Yeah. Uh, naked city is also very good. I, uh, I do remember watching the reason I like, uh, obviously a logic of junior's in,

[00:32:07] like, oh, I think every noir. Like you just basically, but I watched one that's called I think the stranger on the third floor, then I think stars Elijah Cook Jr, which is pretty rare for

[00:32:17] him. Right. He's mostly a character. Yeah. He's like a character supporting guy. You know, one of one of the bugs on the crew is usually what he's playing, right? And I think it's,

[00:32:25] I don't really remember a ton about it. But I think where I remember like my friend that I be like on to like the film noir Wikipedia or some shit and that that being listed as like one of

[00:32:33] the earliest movies to be like, be classified as that. Okay. So we're like, we got to watch this. We found it and I think it's like 65 minutes and it's really intense and the impressionistic

[00:32:43] and like he's I forget exactly he gets like sentenced to prison that or accused of a murder he didn't commit like a classic, you know, kind of noir thing and it's just all about the big

[00:32:51] impending shadows of the judicial system and all that stuff. Yeah. So it's real cool. So I would recommend people check out a strange, I think it's the stranger on the third floor is what it's called

[00:33:01] stranger on the third floor. Cool. Yeah. According to Wikipedia, a latch to coach Jr appeared in a total of 21 films noir film. Anything. That sort of says it was a film noir. It means like

[00:33:11] more than any other actor or actress. See me if you're in the most and yeah he was he played cheerful, brainy collegiate since he was cascans type as the killer in the multi-spalcan. And then

[00:33:22] he was in the big sleeve, he was in Shane, he was in the killing house on hunts and hill, rose Mary's baby, he pops up in that movie and not all of these are filmed noir but he is in a bunch

[00:33:32] of stuff. Also he's in Shane Ives with Jeff Goldblum. Is he really I must have called that out when we watched it? I don't know. I got I got I'm actually imagining you did yeah he plays a Eddie who uh is uh

[00:33:41] you know he's he like the like a hotel lobby desk guy or something and apartment lobby desk guy he might be. You might remember Shane Ives much better than I say. It's just because Elijah could change

[00:33:52] so I was wrong about that movie. So Elijah Couchinger is in Stranger on the third floor. This star as the titular stranger Peter Laurie, the other most films noir guy. He's Peter Laurie from the multi-spalcan and many other films. M. Great movie? Yeah,

[00:34:08] a lot of good films. I mean film noir like maybe one of my favorite genres but one that like I watched a lot of the big ones in that class and as a result they're all kind of mush together

[00:34:18] for me now. Like I know. Yeah, yeah you know. I watched so many of those film noir is in like a three-month span and then I didn't I don't know they just kind of like all like left my brain a little bit

[00:34:29] and so I think if I went back to watch some of these movies there's a few that like really stand out at the big sleep but I think if I went back to watch some of these movies like a lot of them

[00:34:36] would feel very fresh to me because I don't remember any of them. Right. And I guess you know to a lot of people that may not have seen big sleep if you want a example of like the insane

[00:34:46] laboring thing like actual plot obviously heavily influenced the big Lebowski. What kind of bananas detective plot is going on in that movie is obviously very reminiscent of the banana detective plot going on in the big sleep. Yeah absolutely and the big Lebowski in movie that when I

[00:35:00] saw it the first time didn't really understand what was going on. Right. Yeah but just a bit long by the vibes of the dude and now that I've seen the big Lebowski in a million times I do kind

[00:35:08] of know what's going on. Yeah. It kind of makes sense. Yeah so now we gotta watch the big sleep a million more time. And then it'll all click into play. It's all counted together. All right any

[00:35:19] other thoughts about the big sleep might force our app in this up? Let people be hot in movies again you know? Yes. That's all. Bring Dorothy Malone back through Science or Magic please. Yeah.

[00:35:31] Yes now this movie rules uh glad I'm glad that you enjoyed it Mike. Yes thanks for watching. Yeah Matt. Happy birthday. Thank you. Yes this was the birthday by the episode we're kind of doing

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