Off Mike - Megalopolis, Conclave, Red Rooms, and more!

[00:00:02] Let's get together, talk about the movies that we saw this week, we'll have discussions, talk film news, we'll laugh a lot and act like geeks, sometimes we'll have a guest or two, sometimes it's just the two of us, let's crack some jokes and tell some folks to come along and hang with us!

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[00:00:28] Live from New York, it's an episode that will feature a brief discussion about Saturday night!

[00:00:34] It's Mike and Megalopolis, I'm Mike Smith, and joining me as always is a 93 year old grandma out for revenge against the scammers who took her money.

[00:00:41] Mike D'Crucio.

[00:00:43] How you doing today Mike?

[00:00:45] I'm alive, you know, and sometimes that's as much, I say that a lot actually now that I'm thinking about it.

[00:00:51] And if we thought the...

[00:00:52] That's the baseline for like how you're doing, right?

[00:00:55] Yeah.

[00:00:55] I'm alive, I'm here.

[00:00:57] I'm alive.

[00:00:57] And yeah, I thought the crushing weight of living through a non-stop historical moment was bad for the last eight years, and somehow it got worse.

[00:01:05] So, at least we have movies and podcasts and homies to hang out with.

[00:01:11] Yes, yeah, no, as Mike is referring to, we are recording this episode about a week after the 2024 presidential election.

[00:01:18] It didn't go the way we were hoping it would go.

[00:01:20] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:01:22] Which, you know, is unfortunate.

[00:01:23] And we've also had other things happening in our lives that we were talking about before the episode that make life seem like a really crushing weight all of a sudden.

[00:01:30] Yeah.

[00:01:37] Yeah.

[00:01:39] Yeah.

[00:01:39] Yes, exactly.

[00:01:40] Yeah.

[00:01:40] And today we're doing a discussions episode.

[00:01:43] Been a while since we've done one of these, Mike.

[00:01:45] Yeah.

[00:01:45] I feel like, you know, we're always discussing stuff, but are we like doing discussions?

[00:01:50] I don't think it's, it's not really a discussion until you hear the discussions theme song.

[00:01:53] That's true.

[00:01:54] That's true.

[00:01:54] It's a state of mind, really.

[00:01:56] Yes.

[00:01:56] Yeah.

[00:01:56] No, I think the last time we did a discussions might've been before the Montana Film Festival back in like late September.

[00:02:02] Right.

[00:02:02] So I think all of October, we just haven't had the chance to do it, but we did do a Joker episode, which was unexpected.

[00:02:08] Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:09] You just happened to go to the movie.

[00:02:11] We also did our Mike makes Mike watch and we had our Hubie Halloween episode, of course.

[00:02:15] Mm-hmm.

[00:02:15] So yeah, we just haven't had the time to talk about the random stuff that we've been watching lately.

[00:02:20] Yes, that's right.

[00:02:21] And we always be watching, you know?

[00:02:23] We are always watching.

[00:02:24] And with that, let's get into it.

[00:02:26] It's time for our discussions.

[00:02:28] Watch this.

[00:02:30] These are my discussions.

[00:02:32] Just when I thought I said all I could say, my buddy and I talk about movies we see.

[00:02:37] These are my discussions.

[00:02:39] There is so much to see, you and me.

[00:02:42] So we're gonna talk about movies for our discussions.

[00:02:46] All right.

[00:02:47] It's time for some discussions here on Mike and Mike Go to the Movies.

[00:02:50] Mike D., if you want to kick things off, what do you have to discuss this today?

[00:02:53] I have a bunch of stuff and I scrolled back farther on my letterbox than I remembered.

[00:02:58] Oh, look, there's more stuff.

[00:03:01] So I'll start with some two Netflix.

[00:03:04] Actually, I don't even know if they're Netflix originals.

[00:03:06] I watch them on Netflix.

[00:03:07] I think one of them is.

[00:03:09] Okay.

[00:03:09] But the first one is Out Come the Wolves, which is a new movie that just came out.

[00:03:14] I don't know if it's like a Hulu.

[00:03:16] I don't know.

[00:03:16] I found it online.

[00:03:17] So who knows where it's from?

[00:03:18] But it's got big streamer vibes.

[00:03:21] Cool.

[00:03:22] And this is basically just an animal attack movie.

[00:03:24] It stars Missy Peregrine, who we love from Stick It.

[00:03:30] It's like the only thing that I know her from.

[00:03:32] But she's in a bunch of stuff.

[00:03:34] My girlfriend made me watch Stick It a few years ago and I thought it was just okay.

[00:03:38] I wasn't crazy about it, honestly.

[00:03:41] You know, I haven't seen it probably since high school.

[00:03:43] Yeah.

[00:03:44] So who knows?

[00:03:45] I think it does have a cult following.

[00:03:48] People do love that movie.

[00:03:49] I was just the curmudgeon who was like, yeah, gymnastics, whatever.

[00:03:53] It did have Kurt Russell in that movie or?

[00:03:55] Honestly, I couldn't tell you.

[00:03:57] I think it's either Kurt Russell or Jeff Bridges and I'm blanking on who is like the coach.

[00:04:01] I guess I can go to Missy Peregrine's thing and see what it is.

[00:04:06] Stick It stars Jeff Bridges.

[00:04:10] It's Jeff Bridges.

[00:04:10] Okay.

[00:04:11] Yes, there it is.

[00:04:12] But Out Come the Wolves is a animal attack movie directed by Adam McDonald.

[00:04:16] And the cool thing about this, this guy has made three movies, two of which are animal

[00:04:21] attack movies starring Missy Peregrine.

[00:04:23] I don't know.

[00:04:24] So they found their niche.

[00:04:25] They found like what works for them.

[00:04:27] Yeah.

[00:04:27] In 2014, he made Back Country, which is apparently a bear attack movie.

[00:04:31] It's supposed to be pretty good.

[00:04:32] Okay.

[00:04:32] And then just this year it released Out Come the Wolves, which you might guess is a wolf

[00:04:37] attack movie.

[00:04:38] There we go.

[00:04:39] And I think this movie is too long, basically.

[00:04:42] And it's only 87 minutes, which is crazy.

[00:04:45] Because there's one review on Letterboxd that like really perfectly encapsulates the issue

[00:04:51] with this movie, which is it spends 40 minutes, maybe 30 minutes, it feels like, of these 87

[00:04:58] minutes establishing all these relationships with these guys.

[00:05:01] And there's only three people in the movie.

[00:05:02] Yeah.

[00:05:03] It's a married couple.

[00:05:04] And they're at this cabin.

[00:05:06] The guy's, the husband is a food journalist or, and so yeah, a food journalist.

[00:05:12] And so he wants to have the experience of hunting and field dressing and cooking like

[00:05:18] your own meat, right?

[00:05:19] And he wants to go through this thing and write about it.

[00:05:21] And he's a city boy who doesn't know how any of these things work.

[00:05:24] And Missy Peregrine is a, you know, hunter, world-class archery champion, all this stuff.

[00:05:30] And her old childhood friend shows up and he's going to take out, take the husband out

[00:05:35] hunting on this trip.

[00:05:36] And it's supposed to be the, the friend from a childhood and the, that guy's wife.

[00:05:41] Okay.

[00:05:41] She can't come.

[00:05:42] So now it's just these two people that have chemistry from when they were, you know,

[00:05:46] unrequited chemistry from when they were teenagers and all this stuff.

[00:05:48] And it spends 30 minutes setting all that shit up with it, which it effectively shows

[00:05:53] us in the first two minutes.

[00:05:55] Like, and it's just like a beautiful, like show don't tell thing.

[00:05:58] Like just the way their, their body language, when this guy shows up and the, his wife's not

[00:06:02] with him and it's, it becomes clear to the, to the journalists that like, oh no, these,

[00:06:06] they're going to be here together, all this stuff, whatever.

[00:06:09] And it sets it all up and it's efficient and awesome.

[00:06:11] Uh, and then just pretends you didn't figure that out and spends 25 more minutes like

[00:06:15] telling you everything.

[00:06:16] And it's just like, oh my God, get to the, when the wolves come out already.

[00:06:20] Right.

[00:06:20] Uh, and when the wolves do come out, it's pretty cool.

[00:06:22] They it's, I think a real, like real wolves, uh, you know, obviously trained wolves and

[00:06:26] stuff, but, uh, it's not a roar situation.

[00:06:28] It's not a roar situation.

[00:06:30] So it's intense.

[00:06:31] It's, it's pretty gnarly when the, with the violence and the gore and stuff, when the wolves

[00:06:34] start attacking and the injuries and, and all that.

[00:06:36] But it's like, man, just shave off some, the 20 minutes of this 80 minute run time, which

[00:06:42] is crazy.

[00:06:43] So yeah, I mean, it's, it was fine.

[00:06:45] It was a fun way to spend a like, you know, Saturday afternoon or whatever it was when I

[00:06:49] watched this.

[00:06:49] So that is, uh, outcome the wolves.

[00:06:52] All right.

[00:06:52] It looks like it's available on shutter right now.

[00:06:53] That's, uh, maybe that was where I saw it.

[00:06:55] Yeah.

[00:06:56] Yeah.

[00:06:56] It's probably on shutter.

[00:06:57] It was probably where I watched it.

[00:06:58] All right, cool.

[00:06:59] So outcome the wolves.

[00:07:00] And what's the other one that you want to talk about, Mike?

[00:07:06] Oh, or something.

[00:07:07] Okay.

[00:07:08] Uh, and the stars, Winona Ryder and, uh, John Gallagher Jr.

[00:07:11] And it is basically a, like the beginning of barbarian sort of thing where like, uh, these

[00:07:18] John Gallagher Jr. and Winona Ryder play boyfriend and girlfriend.

[00:07:21] They're like, we got to go away for a weekend.

[00:07:23] They go to this cabin, um, kind of thing in the woods, like a rental thing.

[00:07:27] And there's this other couple there and, and they're kind of weird and all this stuff.

[00:07:31] And they're like, uh, overtly sexual with each other.

[00:07:35] Uh, and like, kind of like, well, do you guys swing?

[00:07:37] Like all the, you know, like sort of type deal.

[00:07:39] And it makes everybody uncomfortable.

[00:07:40] Winona Ryder, uh, goes to sleep, gets a little wine drunk, goes to sleep, wakes up the next morning.

[00:07:45] John Gallagher Jr. is gone.

[00:07:46] And they, the other couple was there and they're like, oh yeah, he left.

[00:07:51] Or like, you know, they give some kind of flimsy thing that he left without saying anything or something like that.

[00:07:56] And she's suspicious.

[00:07:57] And then it becomes this mystery of, um, Winona Ryder trying to track down her boyfriend that just has left, like vanished.

[00:08:04] And she, she just, you know, suspicion where'd he go?

[00:08:06] Did these guys, these two people have anything to do with it?

[00:08:09] Dermot Melroney shows up and he's pretty great as this kind of like a tech guy.

[00:08:13] It's like set in San Francisco.

[00:08:14] So like Silicon Valley guy that cashed in on a big, uh, like dot com bubble sale or whatever, and like vanished from the public life.

[00:08:21] But he's the guy that owns the cabin they were renting.

[00:08:24] And so he's like, I'll help you.

[00:08:26] And it's this whole twisty turny thing.

[00:08:28] And then starts doing like, you know, flashbacks to reveal what was actually happening and all this stuff.

[00:08:32] Uh, yeah, it was fine.

[00:08:33] I don't know.

[00:08:33] It was kind of cool.

[00:08:34] The mystery is pretty neat, but ultimately it was just like, ah, whatever.

[00:08:38] Two and a half stars, you know, like it's one of those kind of movies.

[00:08:41] Um, so it was cool to see, uh, you know, Dermot Melroney and Winona Ryder and John Gallagher Jr.

[00:08:45] And stuff.

[00:08:46] So, so yeah, that's gone in the night.

[00:08:48] Okay.

[00:08:48] It looks like it's not a Netflix original.

[00:08:49] It was actually a release in theaters.

[00:08:51] It was a theatrical release in 2022.

[00:08:53] Uh, and I just have never heard of it until this moment.

[00:08:56] Yeah.

[00:08:56] I don't actually, yeah.

[00:08:57] I don't remember where, I think we were just scrolling on, I guess on Netflix.

[00:09:00] So we were just like this one.

[00:09:01] I'm sure it's on Netflix now.

[00:09:03] Yeah.

[00:09:03] Yeah.

[00:09:04] So anyway, yeah.

[00:09:04] Gone in the night.

[00:09:05] All right.

[00:09:06] There you go.

[00:09:06] Two kind of fine movies.

[00:09:08] Okay.

[00:09:10] Uh, well, speaking of kind of fine movies, uh, Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis.

[00:09:14] Um, okay.

[00:09:15] No, actually I, I, I have found myself to be very much in the pro column.

[00:09:19] I'm Megalopolis.

[00:09:21] So I did go see Megalopolis.

[00:09:23] Uh, I saw it, uh, in early October.

[00:09:24] I think I, I, I went to Megalopolis and the next day did Joker for all I do.

[00:09:28] So I may have talked about this a little bit in our Joker episode.

[00:09:31] Maybe, but man, I think everyone should see Megalopolis.

[00:09:34] It's insane.

[00:09:35] It's an insane movie.

[00:09:36] And it is so, it's such a, like a, you know, it's, it's so rarely you get this, like

[00:09:41] complete of an insane vision from one of our great filmmakers, you know, that was so much

[00:09:46] money was poured into this thing.

[00:09:47] It's like $120 million budget that he got because he sold his winery and like financed the movie

[00:09:51] himself.

[00:09:52] Like no studio would give him the money to make something this nuts.

[00:09:55] And, uh, I, I weirdly, I feel like I can't describe the plot too much because there isn't much

[00:10:01] of a plot.

[00:10:01] Uh, it is largely, uh, you know, it's this, it's a sci-fi sort of dystopian future that

[00:10:07] is making commentary about America and sort of comparing it to the Roman empire and how

[00:10:12] it's about to fall.

[00:10:12] And Adam driver is this guy who is sort of like trying to construct his own dream utopia

[00:10:17] called megalopolis that also has like the power to stop time, but that, that doesn't like come

[00:10:21] into it all that often.

[00:10:24] Feels like that should be all it's about.

[00:10:26] You would think so.

[00:10:27] Yeah.

[00:10:27] He does have that power and he's, you know, a rich guy who's like kind of trying to create

[00:10:32] new versions of technology and like things to create a better society.

[00:10:35] And meanwhile, there are all these power struggles that are happening with like other families

[00:10:39] and things surrounding him.

[00:10:40] Insane supporting cast in this movie.

[00:10:42] You have Arby Plaza, you have Shia LaBeouf, you have John Voight, uh, you have Natalie

[00:10:47] Emanuel and you have Dustin Hoffman and just a wild group of people that are in this movie

[00:10:53] giving varying degrees of good performances.

[00:10:56] I do think Arby Plaza is excellent in this movie.

[00:10:59] Like she's amazing.

[00:11:00] Uh, like we'll probably be nominated for best supporting actress at the mics, uh, in the,

[00:11:04] at the end of the year.

[00:11:05] Uh, she's really, really great in the movie.

[00:11:06] Yeah.

[00:11:06] It's, it's so nuts and it's, it's so hard to describe at times.

[00:11:10] Like it looks beautiful and other times it looks like the star Wars prequels, you know,

[00:11:14] like it just has just strange aesthetic choices, uh, and storytelling choices.

[00:11:19] Everything about it is just strange, but strange in a way that I found very, very compelling.

[00:11:23] And it is such a bold vision and I'm glad it got made.

[00:11:25] And honestly seeing Joker two the next day made me appreciate Megalopolis more, I think

[00:11:30] is sort of what I felt about it.

[00:11:32] Okay.

[00:11:32] Okay.

[00:11:33] I saw, which, you know, who knows if anything is real nowadays.

[00:11:36] But it was, uh, the way that that moment, uh, in the movie looks in VOD with the like participation

[00:11:43] section.

[00:11:44] Um, Oh yes.

[00:11:45] Where, uh, so in the movie there was a moment where Adam driver is given like a press conference

[00:11:49] and in some theaters they actually had somebody like run up and ask Adam driver a question

[00:11:54] from your real life audience.

[00:11:55] Right.

[00:11:56] That's a good life in the theater that I went to see.

[00:11:58] I mean, it doesn't, it's got big, not in Missoula vibes.

[00:12:00] Um, and it was, it was only certain, like there was like a special screening thing you had to

[00:12:05] pick or whatever.

[00:12:06] Yeah, exactly.

[00:12:06] Um, so how did it work in the theater?

[00:12:08] Like for you, was it just like a screen thing?

[00:12:10] I think.

[00:12:11] So when you watch it, like without that, yeah, you just hear like a voice off screen asking

[00:12:15] the question.

[00:12:16] Okay.

[00:12:16] Um, so yeah, it's pretty seen like if you didn't know that moment is supposed to be a live interactive

[00:12:20] moment, I think you wouldn't know you wouldn't pick up on it.

[00:12:23] Yeah.

[00:12:24] Yeah.

[00:12:24] Well, so the thing I saw, I mean, it's not literally a mystery, the mystery science theater

[00:12:27] thing, but it was a silhouette.

[00:12:29] Uh, this clip for this person posted that like, it's on VOD.

[00:12:33] Uh, and it looked like the stupidest thing.

[00:12:35] And now I'm realizing this might be a bit cause I mean, it wasn't the seats like the, like

[00:12:39] mystery science theater or anything, but it was just a guy in the corner.

[00:12:42] And there was no silhouette when I saw it, it was just like an offscreen voice.

[00:12:45] Okay.

[00:12:46] Interesting.

[00:12:46] So yeah, who knows?

[00:12:47] Cause you can't trust anything now.

[00:12:48] Um, yes.

[00:12:49] But if you have been intrigued by the movie, there's a clip of it going around.

[00:12:52] I mean, there's been a few clips of it going around because so much of it is insane,

[00:12:54] but there's a moment towards the end of the movie where John Voight points to himself,

[00:12:58] like he's laying in bed and he's like, what do you think of this boner I got?

[00:13:01] Um, and I, and I've seen that clip going around like, Oh, out of context, this is so crazy.

[00:13:07] And I got to tell you in context, it's even crazier.

[00:13:10] It's the, what happens immediately after that is one of the craziest things I've seen

[00:13:15] in a movie this entire year.

[00:13:17] Uh, so if that's enough to sell you a megalopolis, you should go watch it.

[00:13:20] It's pretty wild.

[00:13:22] I wasn't into it, but now I got to know what's going on with John Voight's boner.

[00:13:25] I got to watch it.

[00:13:26] Uh, so yeah, that's, uh, my shout out to megalopolis a movie that, uh, is not going

[00:13:32] to be anywhere near my top 10 or anything, but I think is, uh, is fascinating.

[00:13:35] It's really wild, uh, and always compelling.

[00:13:37] Uh, so there is that also I was in New York recently and on my flight over there, I

[00:13:42] finally caught up with a movie that I wanted to see earlier this summer and just didn't

[00:13:45] have the time.

[00:13:46] And that is Thelma.

[00:13:47] Oh yeah.

[00:13:47] Which yeah.

[00:13:48] Have you seen the Thelma Mike?

[00:13:49] Have you heard about it?

[00:13:50] I've heard about it.

[00:13:50] Yeah.

[00:13:51] It's been like on my sort of to watch before the end of the year thing, you know?

[00:13:55] Yeah.

[00:13:55] It's a delight.

[00:13:56] It's very charming.

[00:13:57] Uh, yeah.

[00:13:58] Thelma is a, an action comedy directed by Josh Margolin.

[00:14:01] His first time out as a filmmaker, uh, starring June Squibb, uh, who we love.

[00:14:05] She's great.

[00:14:05] Uh, she plays Hubie Halloween from Hubie Halloween.

[00:14:08] Yes.

[00:14:08] Uh, she wears the boner donor shirt and so many others.

[00:14:11] Um, yeah.

[00:14:12] June Squibb, uh, plays Thelma, who is a 93 year old woman, uh, who, uh, you're introduced

[00:14:16] to her with her grandson and they have a very loving relationship.

[00:14:19] Um, but she gets scammed, uh, by these guys, uh, that are pretending to be her grandson,

[00:14:24] uh, acting as if, uh, he was in a car accident, he's in jail and he needs $10,000.

[00:14:28] Uh, and so she does give away the money, the $10,000.

[00:14:31] And then she goes on a quest to try to get the money back.

[00:14:34] And it is a very, very sweet, very funny movie, uh, heavily influenced by the Mission Impossible

[00:14:39] films.

[00:14:39] Uh, part of her, part of her inspiration for the movie is like early on they're watching

[00:14:42] Mission Impossible Fallout and they're talking about it.

[00:14:45] Uh, and yeah, there's a whole kind of riff on that, which is really fun.

[00:14:48] And yeah, she ends up teaming up with, uh, Richard Roundtree, uh, who's like an old

[00:14:52] friend of hers and they get on his scooter and start tracking down on the guys who, uh,

[00:14:56] who scammed her.

[00:14:57] Uh, and it's a, it's a really, really fun time.

[00:14:59] It's really funny.

[00:15:01] The jokes really land.

[00:15:02] Uh, it's very sweet.

[00:15:03] Uh, and also it's, it's very like, I think open and honest about the idea of aging and

[00:15:07] being that old and being 93 and like, well, you don't have much time left.

[00:15:11] How do you like, how do you mentally prepare for that?

[00:15:13] Uh, and that kind of thing.

[00:15:14] And so there's things about that as well.

[00:15:16] So yeah, Thelma, uh, I watched it on my plane over to New York and had a great time

[00:15:19] with it.

[00:15:19] It's a really good time.

[00:15:20] Nice.

[00:15:21] Yeah.

[00:15:21] I heard about it and I definitely wanted to check it out.

[00:15:24] Um, so I definitely want to watch it before the end of the year.

[00:15:26] Cause who knows if it might make a list.

[00:15:27] Yeah.

[00:15:28] You know, anything's possible.

[00:15:29] Anything could happen.

[00:15:30] Uh, all right.

[00:15:31] What else you got, Mike?

[00:15:31] What's on your list?

[00:15:32] Um, next up I have a max, an HBO max original.

[00:15:36] I refuse to call it max.

[00:15:37] Now HBO max original called Salem's lot the remake.

[00:15:40] Okay.

[00:15:41] Yes.

[00:15:42] I, uh, I did not get around to watching this.

[00:15:43] I heard it was not very good.

[00:15:45] Yeah.

[00:15:45] It's fine.

[00:15:46] Like it's another one of those things.

[00:15:49] I didn't get moments.

[00:15:50] It's pretty good.

[00:15:50] Uh, it has, what's his name is the main guy, uh, Lewis Pullman, who was, uh, uh, yeah,

[00:15:57] what do they call him in, in Top Gun Maverick?

[00:15:59] Oh, in Top Gun Maverick.

[00:16:00] He's just Bob, isn't he?

[00:16:01] Isn't he?

[00:16:01] Yeah.

[00:16:01] Yeah.

[00:16:02] Yeah.

[00:16:02] And, uh, so he's great.

[00:16:03] Who I didn't realize is he's Bill Pullman son.

[00:16:06] Like, obviously now that I see that as soon as someone like I realized that.

[00:16:09] And then you look at him and you're like, oh yeah, of course he's Bill Pullman.

[00:16:11] I think the first time I saw him, he was in a bad times, the El Royale.

[00:16:15] Uh, okay.

[00:16:16] Yeah.

[00:16:16] And he, and he was like the one cast member that like, I didn't know ahead of the movie.

[00:16:19] Uh, but the second he walked on screen, I was like, that can't be Bill Pullman.

[00:16:23] Who is that?

[00:16:24] The aging technology has not gotten this good yet.

[00:16:26] Yeah.

[00:16:28] And, uh, yeah, so, and, and also Bill Camp is in it too.

[00:16:31] Who's fucking great.

[00:16:32] Love.

[00:16:33] Hell yeah.

[00:16:33] Love Bill Camp.

[00:16:34] Love Bill Camp.

[00:16:34] Um, and yeah, it's, it's fine.

[00:16:37] I don't know.

[00:16:37] It's okay if, you know, if you don't, if you're not familiar with the Stephen King story or

[00:16:41] just the TV movie or whatever, uh, about this, uh, Jerusalem's lot, this town in Maine

[00:16:46] where a kind of like Nosferatu style, uh, vampire has taken up residence with his familiar

[00:16:52] or whatever.

[00:16:53] And, you know, horrifying things ensue.

[00:16:55] It's, it, I think this movie is cool.

[00:16:58] I think there are like filmmaking touches.

[00:17:01] I think there's like cinematic stuff that is like really awesome.

[00:17:04] Just the, the, the like reflective eyes, like a cat's eyes kind of thing they have, the

[00:17:08] vampires have, and just there's like slow clean creeping dread.

[00:17:11] There's some cool camera work stuff that like really highlights the bad script, uh, like

[00:17:17] bad, bad, everything else about it.

[00:17:19] Uh, and I think I remember hearing or reading something that this was like a completed in

[00:17:24] 2020 movie that got delayed or shut down or whatever with COVID.

[00:17:29] And like they come, they came back years later to do reshoots and like all this kind of weird

[00:17:33] trouble production, you know, studio interference kind of thing going on with this movie and getting

[00:17:37] like dumped on a max instead of being put out in theaters.

[00:17:40] Like it's original stuff.

[00:17:41] Right.

[00:17:42] Um, so you can kind of feel all that going on in here.

[00:17:44] Uh, but another, I don't know, kill a Saturday afternoon on HBO.

[00:17:48] You can watch, uh, you want to check out Salem's lot.

[00:17:51] It's got, you know, and like, you know, it's, uh, exciting violence and cool vampire stuff

[00:17:56] when that stuff is going on.

[00:17:57] But just like overall, the story is just kind of a hot mess.

[00:18:00] And, uh, you can feel it's like taped together vibe.

[00:18:03] So that's, uh, that's Salem's lot.

[00:18:05] That's unfortunate.

[00:18:06] I, uh, yeah, I, I heard not great things.

[00:18:08] Uh, I have been meaning to watch.

[00:18:10] I still have not seen it.

[00:18:11] The Toby Hooper TV movie of Salem's lot.

[00:18:13] Have you seen that version?

[00:18:14] I have seen that not for a really long time, but I think it's like a two part or whatever.

[00:18:19] I don't remember if there's like a, it's like three hours long because yeah,

[00:18:22] it's like a two part thing.

[00:18:23] Yeah.

[00:18:23] And like they recreate stuff from that.

[00:18:25] Like obviously the famous, like knocking on the window and like all that stuff.

[00:18:28] Uh, it's just like, just totally flat.

[00:18:30] In the new one.

[00:18:31] Uh, just cause it doesn't have the weird Toby Hooper touch, you know?

[00:18:35] Fair enough.

[00:18:35] I do have a, a DVD of the Toby Hooper one.

[00:18:38] Uh, that is actually like a VHS rip.

[00:18:40] Like it's like a incredible.

[00:18:41] Yeah.

[00:18:41] Which I think I bought at like a Hudson horror show in like 2016, 2017, something like that.

[00:18:46] Yeah.

[00:18:47] It sounds really familiar.

[00:18:48] So one of the, one of these days I'm going to break that out.

[00:18:50] Uh, it's it's gonna happen.

[00:18:50] Hell yeah.

[00:18:51] Take me out of the bowl and watch that.

[00:18:52] Yeah.

[00:18:52] I could probably watch a higher quality version on HBO max or whatever, but I'm not going

[00:18:56] to, I got to watch the VHS rip.

[00:18:57] That's right.

[00:18:59] All right.

[00:18:59] Uh, all right.

[00:18:59] That's Salem slot.

[00:19:00] What else you got, Mike?

[00:19:00] What's next on your list?

[00:19:01] Next up.

[00:19:02] Um, just going in order of when I watched them is, uh, the substance.

[00:19:06] Oh yeah.

[00:19:07] One of the year right now.

[00:19:08] It's fantastic.

[00:19:09] Yeah.

[00:19:09] The new, new film from, uh, Coralie Fargeau, I think is how you pronounce it, but you got

[00:19:13] it.

[00:19:13] Nailed it.

[00:19:14] Yeah.

[00:19:15] Who directed revenge, which I'm a big fan of.

[00:19:17] It's also on shutter.

[00:19:18] Yeah.

[00:19:19] I've been talking about that movie a lot in the past.

[00:19:21] And yeah, so the substance, of course, I'm sure everybody's heard about this, the new

[00:19:24] movie, uh, it's got Demi Moore and, uh, Margot Qualley and, and, uh, Dennis Quaid and just

[00:19:29] the grossest thing I've ever seen.

[00:19:31] Eating those shrimps.

[00:19:32] Um, for all the body of horror in the movie, the most gross thing that you see in the substance

[00:19:36] is him just like mowing down on shrimps.

[00:19:38] All the shrimps.

[00:19:39] Yeah.

[00:19:40] Um, where, uh, Demi Moore plays, uh, this person, Elizabeth sparkle, who is this kind

[00:19:46] of like fitness guru, not guru, but like TV personality, fitness lady thing.

[00:19:51] Sort of like Jane Fonda S kind of character, right?

[00:19:54] She's supposed to have been an actress as well before she was kind of doing exercise stuff.

[00:19:58] Yeah.

[00:19:58] And, uh, she's kind of in the, the waning years of her career, uh, according to the

[00:20:03] studio executives, right.

[00:20:05] Um, played by, uh, like I said, Dennis Quaid and, uh, they need to be a little bit

[00:20:08] something new and just to introduce enough doubt into Debbie Moore's life, into Elizabeth

[00:20:12] sparkle's life that when she hears about this thing called the substance, uh, where you

[00:20:16] can, uh, create a new version of yourself and, uh, and, uh, switch consciousness or whatever.

[00:20:22] I don't really, it's like a body swap thing for a while.

[00:20:24] Uh, and that, uh, you might expect take some horrible turns and things go wrong.

[00:20:30] And yeah, it's fucking incredible.

[00:20:31] I think it's really great.

[00:20:32] I think it visually is, is like, it's so interesting to see a movie that basically takes

[00:20:37] place in two sets.

[00:20:38] Uh, like it's just the apartment and the, like the exercise studio.

[00:20:41] Yeah.

[00:20:41] For the most part.

[00:20:42] For the most part.

[00:20:43] And just the way that that can be so dynamic and interesting and terrifying and all this

[00:20:47] stuff, uh, compare that stuff like that, just like bold visionary filmmaking to, I don't

[00:20:52] know, anything shot on the volume, you know, it's just like so flat and annoying and lame.

[00:20:55] Um, so there's that aspect of it too.

[00:20:58] And I think the performances are great.

[00:21:00] The body horror stuff is great.

[00:21:01] Um, I think if you're a real one, you know, this is closer to a, like a Brian Usna than

[00:21:06] a, than a, uh, Karnenberg, right?

[00:21:08] It's more, more into society, I think than anything that Karnenberg's made.

[00:21:13] Um, all right.

[00:21:13] I don't think I've seen any of, uh, Usna's films actually.

[00:21:16] Oh man.

[00:21:16] Yeah.

[00:21:16] He worked with Stuart Gordon a lot.

[00:21:17] So a lot of that kind of like wacky, he was the produce, he produced a lot of Gordon

[00:21:20] movies and then directed a bunch of himself.

[00:21:22] Um, so definitely check out society if you've never seen society.

[00:21:25] I think that is a like very clear and overt reference in the last 15 minutes or whatever.

[00:21:31] Um, you should put that on the Mike makes Mike watch.

[00:21:33] Oh, maybe.

[00:21:34] Yes, that's right.

[00:21:35] Yeah.

[00:21:35] For when, when it's the like Eliza Sue monster or whatever that final title card.

[00:21:39] Monster Eliza Sue.

[00:21:40] Yeah.

[00:21:41] That one, uh, that section is very clearly, I think, uh, referencing, uh, society.

[00:21:46] So yeah, I mean, substance is great.

[00:21:48] And, and, um, pair this and, and, and revenge.

[00:21:51] I think like, Oh baby, we got a stew going, you know?

[00:21:54] Yes.

[00:21:54] Yeah.

[00:21:54] No, I am.

[00:21:55] So I, this was like one of my most anticipated of the year, uh, because I was so huge on revenge.

[00:21:59] Uh, and yeah, I was, uh, yeah.

[00:22:01] So delighted by this movie.

[00:22:02] I saw this in a basically empty theater.

[00:22:04] Um, like I, I kind of saw it before it kind of caught fire.

[00:22:08] Cause this movie like has really, um, captured the public consciousness or whatever.

[00:22:12] Like I've seen so much talk about it.

[00:22:14] Uh, it was selling out the Roxy for like weeks and weeks.

[00:22:16] Uh, which is really great to see.

[00:22:17] Um, but I saw it at like 11 AM on a Saturday when it was me and one other guy in the theater

[00:22:22] and, uh, just a bunch of perverts.

[00:22:24] Yeah.

[00:22:24] I felt like that.

[00:22:25] Uh, you know, but we were, it was a Cape fear kind of situation.

[00:22:28] We're just like laughing and like just cackling.

[00:22:30] It's the movie is insane.

[00:22:32] And I was just so taken with it.

[00:22:33] It's so, it's so funny.

[00:22:34] It's so weird.

[00:22:35] It's, it's extremely blunt, uh, in what it's trying to say.

[00:22:38] And, uh, I think doesn't really, really effective job of doing it.

[00:22:41] So yeah, uh, the substance, it rocks and I think it's streaming on movie now.

[00:22:44] Uh, so people can watch it there.

[00:22:46] A movie original, which is wild.

[00:22:47] I think it's their first movie they've produced or something like that.

[00:22:50] Right.

[00:22:50] I think they have distributed movies before, but, uh, this is definitely the first one

[00:22:53] that's like taken off the way that has, you know?

[00:22:55] Yeah.

[00:22:56] Yeah.

[00:22:56] Yeah.

[00:22:56] I watched this at home and I really wish I had gotten to see this in theaters.

[00:22:59] This is, I was hoping to see either substance or megalopolis when I ended up seeing Joker,

[00:23:04] uh, Folly Adieu.

[00:23:05] Oh yeah.

[00:23:05] If you remember in that episode, the timing didn't work out.

[00:23:07] So I was like, well, fuck it.

[00:23:08] I'll see Joker.

[00:23:09] Yeah.

[00:23:09] But man, this would have been so cool to see it in a theater.

[00:23:11] Yeah.

[00:23:12] It's a, it's a great theatrical setting, especially like I used to, I was working on the Roxy Annex

[00:23:15] and whenever the substance is playing, like you could hear it through the walls and you

[00:23:19] can also hear people's reactions, uh, through the walls.

[00:23:21] Like you can hear people like physically like screaming or like she was like freaking out.

[00:23:25] It was really fun.

[00:23:26] So yeah, the substance, it's great.

[00:23:28] Uh, it's probably going to be in my top 10 movies of the year.

[00:23:30] It's really, really good.

[00:23:31] So people should check it out.

[00:23:32] Yes.

[00:23:32] Um, and then I got two more that I'll do, um, which are these two are confirmed Netflix originals.

[00:23:37] I know that for sure.

[00:23:38] Okay.

[00:23:38] This time, I mean it.

[00:23:40] Um, and first up is it's what's inside.

[00:23:43] It sure is.

[00:23:43] Sure is baby.

[00:23:44] I have not watched this yet.

[00:23:46] Uh, it's pretty good.

[00:23:47] I, you know, yeah, I think this is another one of those movies that, uh, I think producer,

[00:23:52] I think producer Colin watched this first and was like, oh, you should check this out.

[00:23:55] It's pretty cool.

[00:23:56] Uh, but it's one of those movies that you watch and you're like, I don't really get why Netflix

[00:23:59] doesn't promote any of their shit.

[00:24:01] I don't understand.

[00:24:01] And maybe I just am not tuned into whatever like advertising channel or whatever.

[00:24:07] Like I'm not seeing this shit.

[00:24:08] I mean, they don't really advertise all that much.

[00:24:11] I mean, you know, one thing in Netflix is like, they don't really do like ads before the movie

[00:24:15] or anything like that when you're watching stuff on Netflix, which like HBO or Disney plus or

[00:24:18] whatever, like they'll like usually like show you a 30 second thing.

[00:24:21] Like here's what's something coming up on Disney plus or whatever.

[00:24:24] Uh, and I don't, I don't usually mind that cause I like to know what's at, what's coming,

[00:24:27] what's coming up, you know?

[00:24:28] Yeah.

[00:24:28] Yeah.

[00:24:29] I'm not sure why Netflix doesn't do that, but they don't really run a lot of advertising

[00:24:32] anywhere else.

[00:24:33] Like, except for maybe like, you know, they'll sponsor tweets or something.

[00:24:36] True.

[00:24:37] Yeah.

[00:24:37] You know, but who's, who's, who's looking at those?

[00:24:39] Who's looking at that shit?

[00:24:40] Yeah.

[00:24:41] But anyway, yeah.

[00:24:42] It's what's inside, um, is a movie about a group of friends that haven't gotten together.

[00:24:46] And so I was like, I watched this and I believe, uh, the invitation like sort of in close proximity

[00:24:51] to each other.

[00:24:52] And they're like very different ways into the same setup, like a group of friends that

[00:24:56] haven't seen each other in a long time are reuniting, uh, this in it's what's inside.

[00:25:01] It's for one of their, one of the group's wedding, uh, like the night before he asked everybody

[00:25:06] to get together at his house before the wedding.

[00:25:08] So they could all reconnect.

[00:25:09] Cause it's been years since they all graduated college, all this stuff.

[00:25:12] And, um, this one guy that's like one guy that was like sort of ostracized.

[00:25:17] And there's a group that, uh, ended up hitting it big and he's like a tech billionaire now.

[00:25:20] Uh, and they haven't talked to him because they had a big falling out before they left.

[00:25:24] And will he show up?

[00:25:25] I don't know.

[00:25:26] And there's like, you know, whatever, all this stuff.

[00:25:28] And when he shows up, he's got this new invention that his secretive company has worked on his,

[00:25:33] his new game that they're creating.

[00:25:35] And, uh, they can't tell anybody.

[00:25:37] And I thought, you know, maybe it'd be cool if we played it tonight.

[00:25:39] You know, one of those kinds of things.

[00:25:40] And, uh, what it is, is basically a body swap machine.

[00:25:43] He's, they figured out a way to swap consciousness and then, and then they basically play werewolf

[00:25:49] or mafia or one of those games where they all swap bodies and they have to buy their powers

[00:25:53] of deduction and social interactions, figure out who's in whose bodies.

[00:25:57] And then bad things happen basically is what you might assume.

[00:26:01] Uh, and it's pretty cool that I think it's, it's really stylish.

[00:26:04] There's a lot of color.

[00:26:05] It's the dialogue is pretty fun.

[00:26:07] The performances are pretty good cause they're all, they all have to do this other person

[00:26:11] in, in the body performance.

[00:26:13] So like, and then they're all in swapping throughout the movie.

[00:26:16] So like, they're, I think they're all really, uh, convincing when you can like you, as the

[00:26:20] audience, you have to be able to tell, oh, this is this character in this body.

[00:26:23] Right.

[00:26:23] And I think that's a pretty nuanced performance thing they have to do.

[00:26:26] So that's fun to watch.

[00:26:27] The movie does also do this really cool thing where it sets up in the beginning of the

[00:26:30] movie.

[00:26:31] One of the people is a, uh, artist and she was showing off her, um, oh, I forget the exact

[00:26:37] thing, the technique, but it's like RGB coloring where like you, it's, you know, uh,

[00:26:40] one image with all these colors and depending on what color filter you put over it, you

[00:26:44] see the blue, you put, you see the red and you see that, right.

[00:26:47] All this stuff.

[00:26:47] So then the movie does that where like, it'll put a filter over it so you can see who's on

[00:26:51] inside and all that stuff.

[00:26:53] So I think it's pretty neat and fun.

[00:26:54] And it's a, it's an interesting, you know, like, um, knives out or whatever.

[00:26:58] It's not as quite a whodunit like that, but like, oh, trying to figure out who's lying,

[00:27:02] who's who, where people start lying about where they are in their bodies and stuff.

[00:27:06] And it's fine.

[00:27:07] It's fun.

[00:27:07] It's a good, a good little Netflix, Netflix romp.

[00:27:10] Um, so that is, it's what's inside.

[00:27:12] That's great.

[00:27:13] I, I really, I had no idea what this movie was about.

[00:27:15] I had no idea there was body swapping or anything like that involved.

[00:27:18] And I just, I saw, I heard the title, it's what's inside.

[00:27:21] And I was like, that's a very generic, like horror movie title.

[00:27:24] This could be anything.

[00:27:25] And it like totally turned me off.

[00:27:27] Like I, not that it turned me off.

[00:27:28] It's like, ah, whatever.

[00:27:29] It's probably, you know, like whatever.

[00:27:31] Yeah.

[00:27:32] Uh, like this has gotten me interested in it.

[00:27:33] That sounds pretty fun.

[00:27:34] Yeah.

[00:27:34] And I think, I think it's worth it.

[00:27:35] I think it's a front it's, you know, very funny, very, uh, twisty turny.

[00:27:39] It's, it's like a, it's a good sit or whatever, as they, as they say.

[00:27:43] Yes.

[00:27:43] Uh, all right.

[00:27:44] What's your other Netflix original you wanted to throw out there, Mike?

[00:27:46] Another Netflix original is, uh, the new Timo Tegianto action film called The Shadow

[00:27:52] Strays.

[00:27:53] Yes.

[00:27:53] I also watched this actually too.

[00:27:55] Yeah.

[00:27:56] Rocks.

[00:27:56] It's really good.

[00:27:56] Shit rules.

[00:27:57] Um, yeah.

[00:27:58] If you're a, if you're a big fan, uh, like me, if you've seen, uh, The Night Comes for

[00:28:02] Us, uh, The Big Four, Headshot, I think are his, those are his other three Netflix, at

[00:28:08] least in America, Netflix original movies.

[00:28:10] Yeah.

[00:28:10] Cause they are Indonesian.

[00:28:12] I've only seen Night Comes for Us.

[00:28:13] I've not seen his other stuff.

[00:28:14] Oh, they're pretty good.

[00:28:15] Yeah.

[00:28:16] Big Four, Big Four is sort of like, like a lucky stars.

[00:28:19] Kind of, it's not like literally, but like it's, it's about a wacky team of action heroes

[00:28:23] and like they get into silly adventures, but also with the like intense, not in that one,

[00:28:29] it's not as like gnarly and visceral violence, uh, like it is in Night Comes for Us or in Shadow

[00:28:33] Strays, but Big Four is pretty fun.

[00:28:35] And then Headshot is just like a, like a same kind of thing.

[00:28:38] Gnarly, more like the other ones, like a gnarly, uh, like one person against a criminal

[00:28:44] army kind of thing.

[00:28:46] Um, and yeah, Shadow Strays rules.

[00:28:48] It's another movie like that.

[00:28:49] Like I was saying, a very intense gun for you, empty your entire clip into the person's

[00:28:54] head kind of movie, right?

[00:28:56] Uh, about this organization called the Shadows, uh, that is sort of like assassins for hire

[00:29:01] this kind of, uh, you know, uh, deep state assassins thing.

[00:29:04] And, uh, one of them, one of the persons in train, I don't know.

[00:29:08] The other thing with these movies is they're long and have a lot like in the Hong Kong movies

[00:29:12] that we talked about in the Michelle Yeoh season of Complete Works, nearly incomprehensible

[00:29:16] plots.

[00:29:17] Very often.

[00:29:18] Yes.

[00:29:18] Yeah.

[00:29:19] Yeah.

[00:29:19] Um, with lots of, uh, secret organizations and who's, who's double crossing the triple

[00:29:24] cross and like all this kind of shit.

[00:29:26] But that said, it's exciting.

[00:29:28] It's fun.

[00:29:29] The violence is in action is really intense.

[00:29:31] It's got a pretty cool story at the core with, uh, uh, 13.

[00:29:35] Is that her name?

[00:29:36] Uh, Asian 13.

[00:29:37] Who's like the one in training that, uh, kind of goes off mission to save a kid kind of

[00:29:41] thing.

[00:29:42] Um, which is also the plot of like the night comes for us.

[00:29:45] Oh yeah.

[00:29:45] Yeah.

[00:29:45] That's true.

[00:29:46] Um, and then all the different organizational criminal organizations that want her dead and

[00:29:50] and the shadows and all that stuff.

[00:29:52] So I think it's also suffers a little bit for being kind of long, like I long sort of incomprehensible.

[00:29:58] It's got a lot of stuff going on.

[00:29:59] Also clearly setting up a franchise, which is fine.

[00:30:02] I think the shadows, the ones we get to meet in this are really cool.

[00:30:05] I love, love a tall guy that dude rocks.

[00:30:09] Um, but yeah, I had a lot of fun.

[00:30:10] I'm kind of in the bag for these movies anyway.

[00:30:12] So I enjoyed it.

[00:30:13] The shadow strays.

[00:30:14] Yeah.

[00:30:14] Nice.

[00:30:15] Yeah.

[00:30:15] I also really, really love the shadow strays.

[00:30:16] The action is pretty like gruesome and crazy and next level.

[00:30:20] And like, it looks so cool.

[00:30:21] Yeah.

[00:30:22] Uh, every, like anytime you're in an action scene, I'm like, I'm convinced this is like

[00:30:24] the best movie ever made.

[00:30:25] Uh, and anytime like an action scene is not happening, I'm like, get to the action.

[00:30:28] What are you doing?

[00:30:29] What are you doing?

[00:30:30] Where's Poochie?

[00:30:30] But, uh, but there is a, there is a moment at the very end of the movie where someone

[00:30:34] shows up and it's, uh, you know, spoilers for the shadow strays, I guess.

[00:30:38] But, uh, it's, you know, this like cameo who's not from somebody who was like in the movie

[00:30:42] up to this point, but it was like a cameo for some, if you're into Indonesian action

[00:30:46] films, like this guy showed up and I was like, Oh shit.

[00:30:50] Like it was like, that got me more than like any Marvel cameo in the last few years,

[00:30:54] you know?

[00:30:55] Hell yeah.

[00:30:56] Just imagine the popcorn and soda flying.

[00:30:58] And it's like, yeah, it's so funny.

[00:31:04] Uh, which is pretty great.

[00:31:05] So yeah, the shadow strays, uh, it's on Netflix and, uh, people should, if you're into action

[00:31:09] movies, you got to watch it.

[00:31:10] It's, it's very cool.

[00:31:11] Timo Jihanto, of course, directing a nobody too now.

[00:31:14] Yeah.

[00:31:14] That's pretty crazy.

[00:31:15] Yes.

[00:31:16] So I'm, I'm really excited for that.

[00:31:17] I really enjoyed nobody.

[00:31:18] You still haven't seen it yet.

[00:31:19] I have not.

[00:31:19] No, I think I'm adding it to the Mike makes Mike watch list for next, uh, year so that

[00:31:23] you can watch it before the second one comes out.

[00:31:25] Oh, but, uh, yeah, I really enjoyed nobody.

[00:31:27] It's really, really fun.

[00:31:28] But, uh, I think that Timo Jihanto can like definitely knock it out of the park with a

[00:31:31] sequel.

[00:31:32] Like I think the sequel can be way better.

[00:31:33] Uh, so yeah, looking forward to that.

[00:31:35] All right.

[00:31:35] I'll throw in a few new ones, uh, new, new releases as well.

[00:31:38] Uh, one of which is Conclave, which is the new film from Edward Berger, uh, who is the

[00:31:43] director of All Quiet on the Western Front.

[00:31:45] Uh, a couple of years ago.

[00:31:47] I like that movie.

[00:31:47] You were a big fan of that movie.

[00:31:48] If I recall, uh, I was not, I, I did not like All Quiet, uh, on the Western Front all that

[00:31:53] much.

[00:31:54] And I do feel like I am in the minority a little bit with Conclave where I'm like, that's

[00:31:59] fine.

[00:32:01] Okay.

[00:32:01] I enjoy it.

[00:32:02] It's okay.

[00:32:02] I think it's okay.

[00:32:03] Uh, but I have seen people who are like really, really loving this movie.

[00:32:06] And, uh, that's cool to see because it is, you know, on the surface, a fairly dry film.

[00:32:11] It is about, uh, Ralph Fiennes.

[00:32:13] He is a cardinal and the Pope has just died and he is in charge of electing the new Pope.

[00:32:18] Uh, and so it's sort of like succession, uh, in that it's like a lot of, a lot of different

[00:32:22] cardinals all vying for, you know, why they believe they should be the new Pope and like

[00:32:26] kind of going back and forth and there's, you know, gossip and intrigue and he uncovers

[00:32:31] scandals within the Catholic church who could have predicted.

[00:32:34] Um, but, uh, I think what I like about this movie, I mean, it is, uh, it's pretty fun,

[00:32:38] uh, kind of how it kind of goes about all that stuff.

[00:32:40] Uh, and it really leans into that sort of gossipy nature of it, which is also pretty fun.

[00:32:44] Like it, it feels a lot less dry than it could as a result of that.

[00:32:48] And, uh, the cast man, you got Ray Fiennes in the center.

[00:32:50] You got John Lithgow, you got Stanley Tucci, you got Isabella Rossellini, you got some pretty

[00:32:56] big heavy hitters, uh, in this cast who are all giving a really terrific performances.

[00:33:00] I will say, uh, and you mentioned this, uh, like there was a tweet that kind of

[00:33:03] went around being like, Oh, Conclave best experience, like in a crowd of like over 60

[00:33:07] year olds, like people, like a matinee senior field screening.

[00:33:10] That is how I saw the movie and can confirm, uh, there is a twist in like the last 10 minutes

[00:33:16] of Conclave that, that is like the best part of the movie.

[00:33:19] I was like kind of genuinely surprised, but like the way that twist plays, uh, and like

[00:33:23] the reveal of it, like people in my theater were going insane.

[00:33:26] Uh, like it, it was the theater full of 60 year olds.

[00:33:29] Like it was just like 65 tickets sold, all of them 60 plus, except for me, you know, that

[00:33:34] was basically the layout of that theater.

[00:33:37] And when the twist is revealed, people in my audience screamed there, it was crazy.

[00:33:45] They got really shook by the, uh, the last few minutes of this movie, uh, which was really

[00:33:49] fun to see.

[00:33:50] Uh, so yeah, I recommend Conclave for that.

[00:33:52] If you can recreate that experience, I highly recommend it.

[00:33:55] It's fascinating.

[00:33:56] Yeah.

[00:33:56] My, uh, my parents went to see this and they told me the same thing that, uh, they were

[00:34:00] like, yeah, it's really, really fun story.

[00:34:03] And they're like, visually it looked really great, but I don't know.

[00:34:05] The end went kind of crazy.

[00:34:06] It's like, yeah, they said it.

[00:34:08] Um, and I was like, don't tell me anything.

[00:34:09] I don't want to know.

[00:34:10] Uh, so I'm excited to get to watch this eventually.

[00:34:12] Maybe I'll make them watch it with me so I can recreate that, uh, watching it with some

[00:34:16] molds.

[00:34:17] Yes.

[00:34:17] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:34:18] You definitely should.

[00:34:19] Uh, so yeah, Conclave, uh, worth checking now.

[00:34:21] I also went to go see, uh, we live in time, uh, which is the new film from John

[00:34:24] Crowley, uh, who's the director of Brooklyn with, uh, Saoirse Ronan a few years back.

[00:34:28] That aesthetically makes so much sense.

[00:34:31] I didn't know that.

[00:34:33] And I haven't seen this movie, but I've seen like pictures and art, uh, you know, clips

[00:34:36] and stuff from it.

[00:34:37] Yeah.

[00:34:37] And it all, that all tracks.

[00:34:38] Interesting.

[00:34:39] Yeah.

[00:34:39] Do you like Brooklyn?

[00:34:40] Are you a fan of Brooklyn?

[00:34:41] Oh yeah.

[00:34:41] It's pretty good.

[00:34:42] It's kind of, it's pretty good.

[00:34:43] It's solid.

[00:34:44] Yeah.

[00:34:44] It's fine.

[00:34:44] Yeah.

[00:34:45] You know what?

[00:34:45] This movie, it's pretty good.

[00:34:46] Solid.

[00:34:47] Okay.

[00:34:47] Yeah.

[00:34:48] It's all right.

[00:34:48] Yeah.

[00:34:49] No, I think, uh, I was looking forward to this, uh, you know, it's a romantic drama

[00:34:52] with, uh, starring Florence Pugh and Andrew Garfield who are, you know, two of my favorite

[00:34:56] actors right now.

[00:34:56] They're fantastic.

[00:34:57] Uh, and they both give very, very good performances in it, but it is a essentially just a romantic

[00:35:01] drama told in like several different, like kind of flashbacks and flash forwards where you're

[00:35:05] kind of showing their entire relationship, you know, like throughout the, like the entirety

[00:35:09] of it.

[00:35:10] And I think they're both getting very good performances.

[00:35:12] I think Florence Pugh has a lot more to do in it than Andrew Garfield does.

[00:35:15] I think Andrew Garfield may be our best cinematic crier right now.

[00:35:19] Um, he's just one, one of the best at crying out there.

[00:35:21] I mean, Florence Pugh also one of the best at crying.

[00:35:23] Yes.

[00:35:24] Yeah.

[00:35:24] And she, she's great at it too.

[00:35:25] But man, Andrew Garfield just has like wet eyes.

[00:35:27] Like there's something about his eyes that are just like, yeah, like you look at his

[00:35:30] face and you're like immediately like, is he about to tear up?

[00:35:34] I saw a, uh, a tweet that was like the best thing about the movies was, is when Florence

[00:35:38] Pugh goes, Hmm.

[00:35:40] And it's, it was just the frown emoji.

[00:35:42] Um, and then somebody took it and did screenshots of every movie where you're going to

[00:35:45] where she does that.

[00:35:46] Yeah.

[00:35:46] What an actress.

[00:35:47] Yeah.

[00:35:47] She's great.

[00:35:48] Yeah.

[00:35:48] Uh, and so yeah, they're both getting very good performances in it.

[00:35:51] Um, you know, I didn't love it.

[00:35:52] Uh, like I was hoping to, uh, but I did really like it.

[00:35:54] I think if you're, if you, and it is a good, like weepy drama, if you want to go cry at

[00:35:57] something, you can go cry at we live in time.

[00:35:59] It's pretty solid.

[00:36:00] And then, uh, I also did a double feature recently, uh, of a little movie called Venom three,

[00:36:08] AKA Venom, the last dance and also smile too.

[00:36:10] Uh, so I did a double feature of those two movies, uh, last week, Venom, the last dance,

[00:36:15] man, not very good.

[00:36:17] Damn.

[00:36:18] Who could have seen that come in?

[00:36:20] Yeah.

[00:36:20] I mean, uh, I have not been a fan of either of the previous two Venom movies, uh, but

[00:36:25] out of a sense of perverse obligation, I did go to see Venom, the last dance.

[00:36:28] And yeah, you know, I, I do appreciate what Tom Hardy's doing in these movies.

[00:36:32] Like he, like no matter what, I always enjoy his performance or performances because he's

[00:36:36] doing both Eddie Brock and Venom and he's making very weird choices for both.

[00:36:40] And I appreciate that element of them, but I don't know, this movie kind of felt like

[00:36:43] it was on autopilot a little bit.

[00:36:45] It, you know, it, it is a Venom movie, so it's not taking itself very seriously.

[00:36:50] It's, you know, it's kind of having fun with the concept.

[00:36:52] Uh, I think it's what I liked about the movie is the stuff where it's just Tom Hardy and

[00:36:57] Venom doing their thing.

[00:36:58] You know, they're, they're back and forth, their banter, all that stuff.

[00:37:01] Pretty good.

[00:37:02] Pretty fun.

[00:37:02] There's like a moment when they run into Mrs.

[00:37:04] Chen in Las Vegas and they dance to an ABBA song together.

[00:37:08] And that's great.

[00:37:09] Love all that.

[00:37:10] It's the stuff where it tries to be a real movie.

[00:37:12] That's the problem.

[00:37:14] Whenever, uh, it cuts away to Juno Temple as a scientist, who's like, we need to study

[00:37:18] the symbiotes, you know, then it's, it's no good.

[00:37:20] It's not, no.

[00:37:22] And so the, the movie's like main villain is Null, who is a, you know, a pretty big,

[00:37:26] like symbiote character in the comics, I guess.

[00:37:28] Um, played by Andy Serkis, uh, who was the director of Venom two.

[00:37:32] Uh, so connections there, but, uh, I don't know.

[00:37:35] It's a lot of symbiotes in this movie.

[00:37:37] And I think the problem with a lot of symbiotes is it really just looks like a lot of like

[00:37:41] generic CGI slop.

[00:37:43] Like there's not, there's not much like that's like visually interesting about the symbiotes.

[00:37:47] Uh, and I had that problem with the second one also where it's just Venom versus carnage.

[00:37:51] Uh, and it's like, well, yeah, cool.

[00:37:52] I guess I don't know.

[00:37:53] Like we'll check things off to the previs team, let them handle this.

[00:37:58] And we'll go, I don't know.

[00:38:00] So yeah, I didn't really enjoy Venom three.

[00:38:02] Uh, there are some funny moments in there.

[00:38:03] Uh, but overall not that great, which, uh, you know, is a bummer.

[00:38:07] I did see recently, uh, there was a tweet, uh, that the Sony universe of Spider-Man characters

[00:38:11] without Spider-Man in them, which includes the Venom movies, uh, Morbius and Madam web.

[00:38:16] Uh, and we'll soon include Craven the Hunter in December.

[00:38:19] Uh, like that franchise has now grossed like $2 billion, but then there was like an asterisk

[00:38:24] nest to it.

[00:38:24] 1.7 billion of that is the Venom movie.

[00:38:29] Holy shit.

[00:38:31] That's crazy.

[00:38:32] Yeah, that's nuts.

[00:38:32] Um, and yeah, I think this one kind of underperformed.

[00:38:35] That didn't do super well at the box office, but I think it is still like doing solid overseas,

[00:38:39] which is maybe what they were hoping for.

[00:38:40] But yeah, no, the Venom movie is really carrying this, uh, this external universe thing onward.

[00:38:46] And then it does end in a weird note where, you know, spoilers for Venom, the last dance,

[00:38:49] but Venom dies.

[00:38:50] Um, what?

[00:38:51] Yeah.

[00:38:52] Eddie Brock.

[00:38:52] It was his last dance.

[00:38:54] It was truly the last dance until he comes back.

[00:38:56] Um, yeah, but, uh, Venom like sacrifices himself to save Eddie.

[00:39:01] And so Venom dies.

[00:39:02] And then the movie ends with like a see you again, esque montage, but like for the character

[00:39:07] of Venom, as opposed to like the real life person of fall.

[00:39:10] Yeah.

[00:39:11] Yeah.

[00:39:11] And it's showing just stuff from like the previous three movies, most of which were the stuff

[00:39:15] from this movie.

[00:39:16] And so you're just watching like a montage of all the good times you had over the last 90

[00:39:19] minutes.

[00:39:20] That's very weird.

[00:39:21] Yeah.

[00:39:22] It's some weird decisions, uh, throughout the movie, but saw Venom three, didn't enjoy

[00:39:25] that much, but then went to go see smile too.

[00:39:28] And man, that's a good time at the movies.

[00:39:30] That's pretty good.

[00:39:31] Um, yeah, I was a big fan of the first smile.

[00:39:33] Uh, were you, did you like smile Mike?

[00:39:35] I did.

[00:39:35] Yeah.

[00:39:35] Yeah.

[00:39:35] I had a lot of fun with that.

[00:39:36] Nice.

[00:39:37] Yeah.

[00:39:37] Smile too.

[00:39:37] I mean, it takes the concept and I think goes even crazier with it.

[00:39:40] The, the concept of smile too.

[00:39:41] It is like loosely connected to the first one.

[00:39:43] Like it does have, it features, I think one character who was also in the first movie.

[00:39:47] Uh, and it kind of like uses that to connect it into this new story, but

[00:39:51] you could watch smile too without having seen smile and miss nothing.

[00:39:54] Like it's all, it's a very standalone film, but yeah, this one follows a Naomi Scott, who

[00:39:58] is a pop star, like a Taylor Swift esque, like mega star, uh, who's on the brink of

[00:40:02] a comeback lady.

[00:40:03] Oh yeah.

[00:40:04] A lady Raven esque.

[00:40:07] It's a, it's, it's really been a big year for a pop star themed horror movies.

[00:40:11] Yeah.

[00:40:11] Yeah.

[00:40:11] And so it's, yeah, it's this kind of like mega star who's on the verge of a comeback

[00:40:15] after having had like, you know, tragedy.

[00:40:17] She was like, uh, in a car accident where her actor boyfriend was killed.

[00:40:21] Uh, and she was like found with a bunch of Coke on her and all that kind of stuff.

[00:40:24] So she went to rehab, she's back.

[00:40:25] She's like, you know, getting ready to do a world tour.

[00:40:28] And then she gets infected with the smile disease.

[00:40:30] Oh no.

[00:40:31] And, uh, and so once you get the smile disease, people start smiling at you, uh, or your mind

[00:40:37] makes you think that like people are suddenly smiling at you and they're doing scary things.

[00:40:41] Uh, and they slowly drive you insane until you kill yourself in front of somebody else.

[00:40:45] And then you give that person the smile disease.

[00:40:47] Yeah.

[00:40:47] And, uh, yeah, if you liked the first smile, you should go see smile too.

[00:40:50] It's great.

[00:40:50] It's really fun.

[00:40:51] It has a lot of fun with that concept of the pop star kind of getting this disease and

[00:40:55] like all the different things you can do with that, uh, which is fun.

[00:40:58] Uh, and Naomi Scott's amazing in it.

[00:41:00] She's really terrific.

[00:41:01] Like that's a really good performance from her.

[00:41:02] So smile to go see it.

[00:41:04] It's good.

[00:41:04] It's, it's way better than Venom three.

[00:41:07] Next.

[00:41:07] Um, yeah, I rewatched, uh, or watched actually for the first time recently, Venom let there be carnage,

[00:41:13] uh, story preparation about that in the pod.

[00:41:16] Yeah.

[00:41:16] Yeah.

[00:41:17] For Venom three.

[00:41:18] And I, yeah, fuck it.

[00:41:19] I'm not gonna, I'll see it.

[00:41:20] I'll see it in a year.

[00:41:21] Like whatever.

[00:41:21] You'll get around to it eventually.

[00:41:23] I'll get around to it.

[00:41:23] I do.

[00:41:24] I did really want to see a smile too, but I just haven't, haven't been in the theater

[00:41:27] going mode recently.

[00:41:29] Sure.

[00:41:29] Well, you let your, uh, your regal unlimited, uh, laps, right?

[00:41:31] So you don't, you don't get the free movies anymore.

[00:41:33] I don't get the free movies.

[00:41:34] Yeah.

[00:41:34] This wasn't, I could tell, I just knew I wasn't going to be going once or twice a week for

[00:41:39] the foreseeable future.

[00:41:39] Like I was in the summer when I had the unlimited thing.

[00:41:42] So I was like, I'm not going to pay them and then not go, which is what they want me to

[00:41:45] do.

[00:41:46] So fuck up.

[00:41:46] I canceled, which is a pain in the fucking ass.

[00:41:49] Uh, you have to specifically email like a support email of the thing and request to

[00:41:54] be, it's a whole thing.

[00:41:55] Really?

[00:41:56] Of course there's no like just go in the app and cancel.

[00:41:58] Yeah.

[00:41:58] There's no easy way to do it.

[00:41:59] Anyway.

[00:42:00] Anyway.

[00:42:01] What else you got Mike?

[00:42:02] I got two, two shutter originals.

[00:42:04] All right.

[00:42:04] Um, or at least released on shutter.

[00:42:07] And that is, uh, as real, which, uh, is the new smart weaving movie that came out a couple

[00:42:12] of weeks ago, which is pretty solid.

[00:42:16] It's fun.

[00:42:16] It's pretty cool.

[00:42:17] It's set in this sort of, um, post apocalyptic.

[00:42:20] There's some like text on screen to explain the situation of what's going on, you know,

[00:42:25] uh, to set up the world.

[00:42:26] Uh, and that these people that have, uh, that have, I forget the exact phrase.

[00:42:30] It's sort of like a biblical verse thing, uh, the way they describe it or the way it's

[00:42:34] like worded, but that have given up this, the, like renounce the sin of speaking, so to speak,

[00:42:39] uh, as it's phrased, I think in the movie, right.

[00:42:41] It's opening text.

[00:42:42] So, uh, they've all cut out their voice or cut their vocal cords.

[00:42:45] So there's no dialogue in the movie, which is cool.

[00:42:47] It's pretty fun.

[00:42:48] It's a, it's a, it's, it's, it feels, I mean, I really liked no one's coming to save you.

[00:42:53] Uh, the movie with Caitlin Deaver from last year, I think no one will save you.

[00:42:56] No one will save you.

[00:42:57] Yeah.

[00:42:57] Uh, I really liked that movie.

[00:42:59] Um, but the no dialogue thing does sort of feel forced in that movie.

[00:43:02] I agree.

[00:43:03] Yeah.

[00:43:03] And this movie, there's a, a like diegetic textual reason for why they're not talking.

[00:43:07] So it feels a little less forced.

[00:43:09] Um, but, uh, Samara Weaving is surviving with this guy, uh, in this kind of post-apocalyptic

[00:43:15] wilderness thing.

[00:43:16] Uh, they get captured and are going to be used as human sacrifices to these, uh, creatures

[00:43:22] I'll say.

[00:43:23] And, um, it's, it's a, it's a classic Samara Weaving setup.

[00:43:26] She escapes and it's her trying to survive.

[00:43:29] Um, uh, and so it's her running through the woods.

[00:43:32] She's a pretty good creature.

[00:43:33] She's a pretty good creature.

[00:43:33] Uh, this kind of like cult or whatever that's trying to capture her to sacrifice her.

[00:43:37] Uh, and it's just a kind of gnarly, uh, like 85 minute, uh, like monster movie survival

[00:43:42] horror thing.

[00:43:43] So that's, uh, it's pretty good fun time.

[00:43:44] So that's as real and, uh, smart weaving is great in it.

[00:43:47] She gives a good, good pain screams or whatever, you know, cause like they're nice because

[00:43:51] like she can't really scream cause she can't talk.

[00:43:53] But anyway, it's pretty cool.

[00:43:54] Yeah.

[00:43:55] I, uh, I should watch that.

[00:43:56] I like Samara weaving a lot and I liked ready or not.

[00:43:58] I believe they're making ready or not too with her back in it.

[00:44:01] Um, really curious how, how that will work because the entire family dies in that movie.

[00:44:06] Um, yeah.

[00:44:06] She like breaks the curse or whatever.

[00:44:08] Yeah.

[00:44:08] Yeah.

[00:44:09] She just accidentally stumbles into another family that has this curse.

[00:44:12] That'd be incredible.

[00:44:14] But I like her a lot and I feel like I don't see her in a lot of things.

[00:44:16] I remember she was in like the opening scene of scream six.

[00:44:18] She was the one who died in the beginning of that.

[00:44:19] Yeah.

[00:44:20] Uh, which is also the radio silence guys, obviously.

[00:44:22] Um, and then she was, uh, one of the daughters and Bill and Ted face the music.

[00:44:25] Uh, that's right.

[00:44:26] Yeah.

[00:44:26] Bill's daughter and she's great in it.

[00:44:27] She's really fun.

[00:44:28] Yeah.

[00:44:28] So, uh, yeah, check out as real.

[00:44:30] It's pretty good on shutter.

[00:44:31] All right.

[00:44:32] Um, the next movie is also on shutter and this is called mads.

[00:44:36] M a D S mad.

[00:44:37] Okay.

[00:44:38] And this is, uh, a Mads Mikkelsen document.

[00:44:41] Mads.

[00:44:41] I literally every like podcast I've heard talked about this or like I was told my friends

[00:44:46] we were going to watch this movie called Mads.

[00:44:48] Everyone's like about Mads Mikkelsen, right?

[00:44:50] It's so obvious.

[00:44:51] I was going either between that or like the Mads from mystery science theater 3000.

[00:44:55] Oh yes.

[00:44:55] Yes.

[00:44:56] Should have gone for that one.

[00:44:57] That's the last obvious joke.

[00:44:58] Yeah.

[00:44:58] Yeah.

[00:44:58] And, uh, this is a movie.

[00:45:00] It's another, I don't mean to say this derisively, uh, but like talking about this

[00:45:04] and as real back to back, uh, another like gimmick movie, which is not how I mean that.

[00:45:10] But, um, this is a single take, uh, horror movie.

[00:45:15] And, and I've, I read some interviews or whatever with the director that it is actually one take

[00:45:20] they've, they've filmed, uh, they did it like five times.

[00:45:23] And on the fifth time they got the entire movie.

[00:45:25] It is an 85, also 85 minutes.

[00:45:28] Um, and there is places in the movie, like, you know, when you're watching it that you're

[00:45:32] like, Oh, this is not, not like, Oh, this is a cut, but like, this is where a cut could

[00:45:36] go.

[00:45:36] Like, you know, it'll pan to a doorway or a painting or, or whatever.

[00:45:39] Like the camera will just go to a static object or something so that you just, I just

[00:45:44] kind of assume when movies do this, they're like, you know, and this is this whole single

[00:45:47] take thing.

[00:45:47] You're like, Oh, well this is where there are cutting.

[00:45:49] Um, but no, the director confirmed they did do managed to get the entire movie in one

[00:45:52] take, which is wild.

[00:45:54] Um, and it's very different from something like, uh, Russian arc, which I've talked about

[00:45:57] before, which is a single take, uh, movie, but that's like a mood piece art, uh, like

[00:46:04] stroll through a museum thing.

[00:46:06] And this, uh, Mads is a zombie movie.

[00:46:08] Um, so basically, uh, it's about these, these, uh, kids in a French, like a beach town or whatever.

[00:46:16] And they're just, I don't know if it's the Riviera or something, but it's the very upscale

[00:46:19] kind of like yuppie, uh, teenagers, like senior year kind of guys, uh, or friends that are

[00:46:26] going to this house party.

[00:46:27] And it starts with this guy, uh, doing lines at his dealer's house is like how the movie

[00:46:32] opens.

[00:46:32] And he's like all fucked up and he's like, man, what is this shit?

[00:46:35] And he's like, I don't, I don't know.

[00:46:36] It's some experimental take it for free, you know, whatever kind of thing.

[00:46:40] And he takes it and he goes out, gets in his car and he's like, jam it out to this

[00:46:45] music and he's driving like a Mustang.

[00:46:46] And it's like this real cool thing.

[00:46:48] Uh, and this like woman falls out of the woods on the side of the road into, in front of him.

[00:46:52] And she's in like a hospital gown and her head's in bandages and, uh, she can't talk and all

[00:46:57] this crazy shit.

[00:46:58] Uh, and he gets, he, she gets in the car, uh, and he's like, I'll take you to the hospital.

[00:47:02] And she just starts screaming no.

[00:47:04] And like goes into his glove backs and finds a screwdriver and kills herself in this front

[00:47:08] seat of his car.

[00:47:09] And he's just like, what the fuck?

[00:47:11] And that's the first five minutes of the movie.

[00:47:12] Uh, and so then it's just that we're off to the races from there.

[00:47:16] Basically it's him doing, they're all doing drugs.

[00:47:18] It's kind of like climax, uh, the Gaspar Noe movie, kind of like descended to hell type

[00:47:23] thing going on.

[00:47:24] And they go to this like crazy strobe light and space house party shit.

[00:47:29] And like, nobody knows what's real, what's going on.

[00:47:31] And this kind of infection spreads, uh, and just culminates in insane chaos and, uh, military

[00:47:37] squads trying to hunt down these zombies or infected people or whatever.

[00:47:40] And, um, yeah, it's pretty cool.

[00:47:42] It's pretty intense.

[00:47:43] I think it maybe runs out of steam a little bit.

[00:47:45] There is sort of a, um, it's sort of like in three acts, you follow three people.

[00:47:50] Basically you follow the guy to the house party.

[00:47:52] You follow a woman out of the house party.

[00:47:55] Uh, and then she runs into her friend and then you follow that friend for like the third

[00:47:59] act.

[00:47:59] Like it's each one.

[00:48:00] And in those transition periods, and I guess thinking about it in a like logistical,

[00:48:04] this is actually a single take.

[00:48:06] We need to set up other shit or whatever kind of thing.

[00:48:09] It takes a long time to go from like in between one character to the next character.

[00:48:14] Like once, like that woman leaves the party and there's a long time before anything starts

[00:48:18] happening with her.

[00:48:19] And you're like, we already know we've got the, oh my God, all the shit that happened

[00:48:22] at this party.

[00:48:22] And then she runs into her friend and there's a really long time where they're together

[00:48:25] before anything's happening, before the one person leaves.

[00:48:28] And it's, we follow this third girl.

[00:48:29] So, so like, I feel like it's kind of like in peaks and valleys, um, so to speak for the

[00:48:33] action of the movie.

[00:48:33] But I mean, it's pretty cool that they actually filmed this 85 minutes in a single take and

[00:48:37] it's, it's, and it's a intense zombie movie for most of it.

[00:48:40] So worth, worth checking out.

[00:48:41] It's pretty cool.

[00:48:42] So that's, uh, Mads.

[00:48:43] Cool.

[00:48:44] All right.

[00:48:44] Mads.

[00:48:44] And that's on shutter along with Asriel, uh, which might be also talked about.

[00:48:48] All right.

[00:48:48] Two more, uh, new releases that I want to throw out there as well.

[00:48:50] First of which, uh, which is now streaming on Amazon prime, although I saw it in theaters

[00:48:54] was my old ass, uh, which, uh, is a very charming, uh, kind of coming of age

[00:48:58] movie featuring, man, I forget the, uh, the main actress's name, but Arby Plaza is also

[00:49:02] in it.

[00:49:03] Uh, and it's about, oh, Maisie Stella, I think is the name of the actress who plays the main

[00:49:07] character.

[00:49:07] Um, but yeah, it's about this girl who is, uh, like 18 years old.

[00:49:10] She's about to leave home for the first time.

[00:49:12] Like she's like been wanting to leave her hometown for a very long time and it's finally

[00:49:15] going to do it.

[00:49:16] She's moving to the city and she goes out into the woods with a few of her friends and goes

[00:49:20] on a mushroom trip.

[00:49:20] And while she's on the mushroom trip, she, uh, gets visited by Arby Plaza, who is her future

[00:49:25] self, her like 39 year old self.

[00:49:28] Okay.

[00:49:28] Uh, and, uh, Arby Plaza starts giving her advice on like how to live her life and how

[00:49:31] to appreciate like what you have right now and all that kind of stuff.

[00:49:34] And then when she exits the mushroom trip, she can still contact Arby Plaza.

[00:49:38] So it's a very, it's not a hallucination.

[00:49:40] It's a very literal, like she is talking to her future self, uh, throughout the movie.

[00:49:46] Okay.

[00:49:46] And yeah, it's, it's a pretty fun, charming little movie.

[00:49:49] I think the ending is a little wonky.

[00:49:52] I'm not really sure it totally worked for me because it goes into some dramatic, dramatic

[00:49:55] territory that I'm not sure that it earns.

[00:49:57] Uh, but it is very nice.

[00:49:59] I really enjoyed the movie.

[00:50:00] I think Arby Plaza again is great in it.

[00:50:02] Much like in Megalopolis.

[00:50:03] Um, although she is in a lot less of this movie than you would expect her to be.

[00:50:06] Uh, I saw the trailer for this.

[00:50:07] I don't know.

[00:50:08] Maybe it was before Joker or something.

[00:50:09] I don't know.

[00:50:10] Cause that's, I think the last movie I saw it in theaters.

[00:50:12] Yeah.

[00:50:12] Uh, and it definitely seems like it's a buddy comedy with these two guys.

[00:50:16] Like, you know, right.

[00:50:16] Yeah.

[00:50:17] Arby Plaza is in the first like 10 minutes.

[00:50:19] Uh, she has like kind of two big scenes during the mushroom trip.

[00:50:22] Uh, and then you hear her voice off screen a lot, uh, throughout the movie.

[00:50:26] Uh, and then she appears again at the end is basically like her.

[00:50:29] She probably filmed like two days on this movie.

[00:50:31] Yeah.

[00:50:31] Realistically.

[00:50:32] But, uh, but like I said, it's really fun.

[00:50:33] I really enjoyed my old ass.

[00:50:35] Uh, and it's one of the most fun titles to say, uh, out of any movie I've seen this year.

[00:50:38] So that's always good too.

[00:50:39] Um, and then I also saw Saturday nights, uh, which is the new film, uh, from Jason Reitman,

[00:50:45] uh, which, uh, dramatizes the backstage behind the scenes story, uh, of the very first episode

[00:50:51] of Saturday night live.

[00:50:52] Uh, and I might be, as you know, I'm a huge SNL guy.

[00:50:55] Uh, I'm an SNL nerd.

[00:50:56] If there's two things I know about Mike Smith, the Simpsons and SNL and weird Al, if I know

[00:51:02] a third thing.

[00:51:03] Sure.

[00:51:03] Yes.

[00:51:03] I mean, and SNL is a weird, like, you know, I'm a big SNL guy in the sense that like,

[00:51:07] I'm really into the history of SNL and I watch the show every week as if it's like, I've

[00:51:13] seen it compared to like a baseball team before where you're like, you got to watch the Mets

[00:51:17] this week, you know, like you got to see what's going on.

[00:51:19] You got to see what's going on with your team.

[00:51:21] And so the, you know, there are, there are highs and there are lows of SNL often like

[00:51:24] within the same episode, but in general, I'm just like very into like the history of it,

[00:51:28] the pop culture, you know, at the importance of like its place in pop culture, all that kind

[00:51:32] of stuff.

[00:51:32] And so SNL in an academic sense.

[00:51:34] Exactly.

[00:51:35] Yes.

[00:51:35] I'm more of a scholar for SNL than a fan.

[00:51:38] But you know, but I'm still watching every week and I'm still, you know, I do keep up

[00:51:42] with it despite the fact that like, I strongly like, like man, so much of it's not funny

[00:51:46] and so much of it's like, man, I disagree with like this political thing they did or what

[00:51:49] like all that kind of stuff.

[00:51:50] I still, I still keep up with it because there are still gems there.

[00:51:53] And because I am like interested in it as like a scholarly subject.

[00:51:56] So all that is to say, I am the mark for Saturday night.

[00:51:59] Like this movie should be like right up my alley and I thought it was okay.

[00:52:03] It's, it's fine.

[00:52:05] So this is directed by Jason Reitman who, you know, you know, director of Juno.

[00:52:10] Thank you for smoking.

[00:52:10] He's the son of Ivan Reitman who is connected to many of the early SNL guys.

[00:52:15] And I think this is a weird period of his career where he's kind of just like re-litigating

[00:52:18] the stuff that his father did.

[00:52:20] Cause it, the last movie that he did was Ghostbusters Afterlife, which Ivan Reitman was

[00:52:23] the director of Ghostbusters.

[00:52:25] Right.

[00:52:25] So, you know, and now he's doing the SNL movie.

[00:52:27] Um, and so I, what I liked about the movie is it does kind of create a sense of like,

[00:52:33] man, it must've been pretty crazy back then.

[00:52:34] And the ensemble that they, that they get is really good.

[00:52:37] Uh, like everybody's doing very, very good impressions of everybody on the cast and the

[00:52:42] crew, especially, um, it's Corey Michael Smith as Chevy Chase, uh, Corey Michael Smith,

[00:52:46] who was in, uh, May, December.

[00:52:47] He was like the weird brother in that movie.

[00:52:49] Uh, and he's also, he was also the Riddler on Gotham.

[00:52:51] Um, okay.

[00:52:53] Amazing Chevy Chase, like an unbelievable Chevy Chase impression.

[00:52:56] It's really, really great.

[00:52:57] Uh, Gabriel LaBelle, who is young Steven Spielberg on the Fablemans.

[00:53:00] Uh, he plays young Lorne Michaels.

[00:53:02] Uh, and he's kind of the one that's the movies obviously anchored around and Dylan O'Brien

[00:53:06] plays Dan Aykroyd and is doing a good one.

[00:53:08] And, uh, Matthew Reese plays George Carlin, uh, which is really fun.

[00:53:10] So there's a lot of like good impressions here and it's like fun to see that.

[00:53:14] Uh, and it is like, you know, it's supposed to be like the 90 minutes before SNL went live

[00:53:19] for the first time.

[00:53:20] And so it's meant to convey like the chaos of all that's going on and like, Oh, the show is not

[00:53:23] locked.

[00:53:24] What do we do?

[00:53:24] And all that stuff.

[00:53:25] Uh, there's also like some random people like Willem Dafoe's in this movie playing like a

[00:53:28] network executive and like JK Simmons is in it playing Milton Berle.

[00:53:32] Uh, and just some throw like kind of crazy ones in there as well.

[00:53:37] Uh, but it really feels like it's trying to go for like an Aaron Sorkin esque, you know,

[00:53:42] scripts.

[00:53:42] And I don't think it matches the energy of an Aaron Sorkin script as at its best, you

[00:53:48] know?

[00:53:48] It's like the pilot of, uh, the newsroom.

[00:53:51] Yeah.

[00:53:51] I mean, you know, the newsroom or really, I mean, the closer analogy here is studio 60,

[00:53:55] which is also the Aaron Sorkin show about a late night TV show, you know?

[00:54:00] Uh, and so it, it doesn't really match the energy of like what I like about Aaron Sorkin

[00:54:04] stuff.

[00:54:04] And I think it's a pretty surface level look at like the history of SNL.

[00:54:08] Uh, and it's very clearly like fictionalizing a lot of things or, and it's, it really takes

[00:54:11] itself very seriously, uh, for, for a movie that is essentially just about like, it's

[00:54:16] about ultimately a comedy show.

[00:54:18] Uh, you know, even though, yes, it is a comedy show that like has a firm place in pop culture

[00:54:22] history and has launched a million careers and like everyone knows it and all that stuff.

[00:54:26] It is still a comedy show.

[00:54:28] And I feel like we should treat it as if it's a comedy show.

[00:54:30] And, uh, the, the movie itself takes it very seriously.

[00:54:33] And that, that I think detracts from it.

[00:54:34] It's an okay time.

[00:54:35] I enjoyed aspects of it.

[00:54:37] And again, the ensemble, it's worth watching just to like see people playing Chevy Chase

[00:54:41] and Dan Aykroyd, like all those guys.

[00:54:42] It's really fun.

[00:54:43] Uh, yeah, it's just okay.

[00:54:44] Damn.

[00:54:45] I can't, yeah.

[00:54:45] I think it's a pretty biting indictment that you, for Mike Smith, like you said, the specific

[00:54:50] target audience of one.

[00:54:51] I should, this should have been a five-star movie for me.

[00:54:54] Yeah.

[00:54:54] I could, I could picture a version of it that is written by Aaron Sorkin, uh, which even

[00:54:58] that's like, you know, I know that's a loaded thing too.

[00:55:00] A lot of people don't love Aaron Sorkin.

[00:55:02] Uh, but I think when he, when he's on, he's on.

[00:55:04] And I think if he was on right in the Saturday night movie could have, could have worked, could

[00:55:08] have been good.

[00:55:08] Yeah.

[00:55:09] Fair.

[00:55:09] Um, but all right.

[00:55:10] And any other stuff that you wanted to bring up, Mike, any random things?

[00:55:13] I have a few just like rewatches and stuff that I'll throw out there.

[00:55:16] Um, yeah, I've got a, I've got a couple of new releases, uh, or new this year releases,

[00:55:20] uh, and then some other stuff.

[00:55:21] But, uh, I'll start with, uh, the movie I should have brought up right after you brought

[00:55:24] up Conclave because I watched it because of that tweet about Conclave.

[00:55:27] Oh yeah.

[00:55:28] The Passion of the Christ.

[00:55:30] Okay.

[00:55:30] I've never seen The Passion of the Christ.

[00:55:32] Completely different.

[00:55:33] Um, yeah, I had never seen it, which is wild.

[00:55:35] I went to Catholic school for all of my life until college, which is nuts.

[00:55:40] And, uh, yeah, that tweet that, uh, you did Conclave is best enjoyed in that matinee full

[00:55:46] of like scandalized old people.

[00:55:47] Uh, I saw a thread or a retweet or whatever about the, of that saying that the person had

[00:55:52] watched Passion of the Christ in that matinee full of old people that were like hissing and

[00:55:57] booing at the screen.

[00:55:58] And like some guy was pacing up and down the aisle for the last 20 minutes and like all this.

[00:56:03] And I was like, holy shit.

[00:56:04] But I remember the, the kind of, um, fervor around this movie when it came out back in

[00:56:09] 2004 and, uh, just never got around to it because in 2004 I was in sixth grade or seventh grade

[00:56:14] or whatever it was.

[00:56:15] Yeah.

[00:56:15] No, I, I also remember like, yeah, this movie was so huge.

[00:56:18] I mean, I think it was, it was the highest grossing R rated movie of all time, uh, until

[00:56:23] Deadpool came out.

[00:56:24] Yeah.

[00:56:24] Until Deadpool, well, Deadpool and Wolverine, I think beat it.

[00:56:26] No, I think it was Deadpool one that beats.

[00:56:27] Was it really?

[00:56:28] Okay.

[00:56:28] Yeah.

[00:56:28] Yeah.

[00:56:29] Because there's a joke about it in Deadpool two.

[00:56:31] That's right.

[00:56:31] About Deadpool being bigger than Jesus.

[00:56:33] Yes.

[00:56:34] Um, those movies are all one movie in my brain.

[00:56:37] Yeah.

[00:56:37] I think that's fair.

[00:56:38] But yeah.

[00:56:39] And I remember like, I, I didn't see it at the time because I was 11 and it was rated

[00:56:42] R, but like, you know, we, uh, we're a fairly church going family at the time.

[00:56:46] Uh, and we would go to mass most weeks and it was talked about like in church a lot.

[00:56:51] Like the priest would be like, oh, you should go see Passion of the Christ.

[00:56:53] There's a movie about Jesus.

[00:56:54] Like go see it.

[00:56:55] Go see it.

[00:56:56] Yeah.

[00:56:56] I think, uh, I think I remember hearing like high school classes and stuff were like going

[00:57:00] to see it, uh, of the Catholic schools, you know, when you're in that kind of

[00:57:04] network and stuff.

[00:57:04] So I think if I had been in high school, I probably would have seen it, but I was just

[00:57:07] too young.

[00:57:07] So I never got around to it.

[00:57:08] And then everything that's happened in the last 20 years, why would I have ever watched

[00:57:12] this?

[00:57:13] You know?

[00:57:14] Um, so yeah, just everything involving Catholicism and also Mel Gibson.

[00:57:18] And also just everything.

[00:57:19] Jim Caviezel.

[00:57:19] Yeah.

[00:57:19] I'm good.

[00:57:20] Um, so yeah.

[00:57:22] So that tweet, uh, maybe like remember this movie existed and I had never seen it.

[00:57:26] Uh, and you know, the, the, uh, reputation around the gore and all that stuff.

[00:57:31] I was like, well, you know, let me check this out.

[00:57:34] Well, whatever.

[00:57:34] Like it's Sunday.

[00:57:35] I guess I'll watch Passion of the Christ.

[00:57:39] And, uh, yeah, I mean, it's fine.

[00:57:41] It's, I, I like, it is shocking and violent and, uh, unrelenting in its depiction of

[00:57:47] the kind of realistic, uh, effects on a human body that crucifixion and scourging with the

[00:57:52] whips and the cat of nine tails and all that, the torture and all the, the, the crown of

[00:57:56] thorns, everything that, uh, goes into that in, in a kind of grounded, realistic sense.

[00:58:00] What that would do to you as a person is horrific and intense, but it is just like the

[00:58:05] most overwrought movie of all time.

[00:58:07] And like, I get it.

[00:58:08] It is, I guess from a certain point of view, uh, the most important event that's ever happened

[00:58:13] on earth.

[00:58:13] Right.

[00:58:13] Like, you know, so of course everything's in fucking slow motion, baby.

[00:58:18] We have to sell the dramatic importance of him falling.

[00:58:21] And, and when they get into the actual, you know, uh, uh, like Pat, the stations of the

[00:58:26] cross, basically, you know, when him, him carrying the cross, Jesus carrying the cross to the

[00:58:30] his crucifixion and all that stuff.

[00:58:32] Um, and every, every, it's sort of like, it's not literally doing this because I don't remember

[00:58:37] the, like, I think 300 came out after, but you know, where it's like that kind of thing

[00:58:41] that Zack Snyder does in 300, where like the image kind of slow, slows down in, in a

[00:58:46] slow, uh, slow motion to like recreate a comic book panel.

[00:58:50] Right.

[00:58:50] That happens.

[00:58:51] Yeah.

[00:58:51] They do that in this movie all the time with the stations of the cross, like all the moments

[00:58:55] in that and all this stuff.

[00:58:56] I didn't know that it's not in English, which is wild.

[00:58:59] Oh yeah.

[00:59:00] It's in Latin, right?

[00:59:00] Uh, it's partly in Latin.

[00:59:02] And then, uh, I think, I think I read out Wikipedia or whatever, like recreated Aramaic,

[00:59:06] which would have been the language they were speaking in that area in these 2000 years

[00:59:10] ago.

[00:59:10] Right.

[00:59:11] So that was interesting.

[00:59:13] I don't know.

[00:59:13] It's kind of intense that they're like, learn these lines phonetically.

[00:59:16] I assume.

[00:59:17] That is interesting.

[00:59:17] Yeah.

[00:59:18] Yeah.

[00:59:18] It's the unfortunate thing about Mel Gibson is like, despite everything, he's a pretty

[00:59:22] interesting director.

[00:59:23] He's like, he's kind of, you want to see Apocalypto, which I never saw and heard.

[00:59:26] I've heard Apocalypto is incredible.

[00:59:28] I've heard that's like his best movie.

[00:59:29] Yeah.

[00:59:30] So I might check that out eventually.

[00:59:32] So yeah, I don't know.

[00:59:32] It was kind of just like a, uh, uh, like archeological watch where it was like, I'm more

[00:59:36] interested in just like having said, I've seen this now and understanding what was happening,

[00:59:40] what all the parents in church were talking about 20 years ago.

[00:59:43] Right.

[00:59:43] And like, oh, now I can understand that joke in Deadpool too.

[00:59:46] Exactly.

[00:59:47] Yeah.

[00:59:47] Yeah.

[00:59:48] So, uh, yeah.

[00:59:49] Passion of the Christ is a movie that I have watched for the first time in the year 2024.

[00:59:53] There you go.

[00:59:54] 20 years later.

[00:59:55] Uh, and supposedly Mel Gibson's making Passion of the Christ too right now.

[00:59:58] So you're prepped.

[00:59:59] You're ready.

[00:59:59] I'm ready.

[00:59:59] I'm ready to go.

[01:00:00] I'm all caught up.

[01:00:01] Um, I don't, yeah, I don't know what happens next in the Bible.

[01:00:04] I can't wait to see what's going on.

[01:00:07] That's going to go with some wild directions.

[01:00:08] Uh, what else you got, Mike?

[01:00:09] So then I got some new movies, uh, that I watched or newer movies.

[01:00:14] And, um, actually I think both of these, I don't know, Letterboxd is weird when they

[01:00:18] were logged or include the release date.

[01:00:20] I think these are either like original country release.

[01:00:23] Actually, no, Strange Darling came out in America is an American movie, but I think, uh, uh,

[01:00:27] festival release date is what I'm trying to think of.

[01:00:29] I think, I think, yeah.

[01:00:30] Strange Darling played at a couple of festivals last year.

[01:00:31] Yeah.

[01:00:32] So it's shown as a 2023 movie, but I don't think it didn't go wide or whatever until this

[01:00:36] summer.

[01:00:36] Yeah.

[01:00:37] It played theaters this year.

[01:00:38] So Strange Darling is a movie that I watched.

[01:00:41] I never saw it.

[01:00:42] It came and went so fast.

[01:00:43] Oh man, it's pretty good.

[01:00:44] It's pretty cool.

[01:00:45] I think, um, I think it's sort of aesthetically or whatever kind of got lumped in as like

[01:00:50] a horror movie, I think, or just sort of like in the horror community or something.

[01:00:53] I was just saw a lot of it.

[01:00:54] Um, but it's not, which is strange.

[01:00:57] Interesting.

[01:00:57] I thought it was.

[01:00:58] I mean, it's, I guess it's more thriller-y kind of thing.

[01:01:02] It's, it is a more of a crime movie than I was with things.

[01:01:07] Necessarily.

[01:01:07] Although it is about a serial killer.

[01:01:09] So there is that, uh, that, that like horror movie aspect of it.

[01:01:12] And yeah, this is stars Willa Fitzgerald.

[01:01:14] Who's, uh, in season one of Reacher.

[01:01:16] Who's fucking incredible in that and Reacher rocks.

[01:01:19] And it's not just for dads.

[01:01:20] You should watch Reacher.

[01:01:21] Nice.

[01:01:22] Uh, Willa Fitzgerald sounds very familiar.

[01:01:23] Was she on Arrow back in the day?

[01:01:25] Um, I don't know, actually.

[01:01:27] She's in a bunch of movies, but I don't know what TV shows.

[01:01:30] Cause that she's on Fall of the House of the Mushroom also.

[01:01:32] Okay.

[01:01:32] Gotcha.

[01:01:32] Yeah.

[01:01:32] Not her, a different Willa on Arrow.

[01:01:34] Okay.

[01:01:35] Got it.

[01:01:37] And Kyle Gallner is the, so she's the lady and he's the demon is how he's credited.

[01:01:42] And, um, the thing with this movie is that it is, it is one shot by DP.

[01:01:48] Like DP is Giovanni Ribisi, which is incredible.

[01:01:51] That's crazy.

[01:01:52] Which is awesome.

[01:01:53] He, he's got a really interesting episode on, um, the movies that made me Joe Dante's podcast.

[01:01:58] Uh, and about it's a, it's about like, I think, I think, I don't remember if there's

[01:02:02] a specific decade, but British cinematographers is the top 10 is like, that's the topic he's

[01:02:07] talking about.

[01:02:08] Uh, it's just about that.

[01:02:09] There's been a secret passion of his the whole time he's been acting and he's just, it's

[01:02:12] been to fund him learning how to be a cinematographer.

[01:02:14] That's the first movie he shot.

[01:02:16] Um, so anyway, it's pretty cool.

[01:02:17] And the thing about this movie is it is deliberately out of order, right?

[01:02:22] It's this, it has a subtitle in the title card.

[01:02:24] It says strange darling, uh, a tale or whatever in, in six chapters and it fades out and fades

[01:02:30] in and it says chapter five.

[01:02:32] Okay.

[01:02:33] Uh, and so it's throws you right in media res, right?

[01:02:36] The whole thing, what's going on.

[01:02:37] And then it, and then it fades out chapter three.

[01:02:40] Right.

[01:02:40] And so it's like deliberately withholding information and all that stuff.

[01:02:43] So it is pretty cool.

[01:02:44] It's the performances are great.

[01:02:46] The set design, everything looks cool.

[01:02:47] It's so colorful and bright and like in a stylized way.

[01:02:51] It's intense.

[01:02:52] Ed Bigley jr.

[01:02:53] Is in this for a hot second and just like love that guy.

[01:02:56] Um, so it's pretty fun.

[01:02:58] I think the thing though, when you get to the end of the movie and it has its big reveals

[01:03:02] and you understand cause you finally see what chapter one is and all that stuff.

[01:03:05] And it's awesome.

[01:03:05] You realize that like, Oh, if this was, it has to be told this way.

[01:03:08] Cause if it was in order, it just is like a thing that happens, you know, like, like all

[01:03:12] the tension and excitement and twists and turns happens because you're being deliberately misled,

[01:03:17] you know, by the different chapters and stuff.

[01:03:18] Um, but that's, I don't know if that's like a criticism.

[01:03:21] I don't know.

[01:03:21] Put this Pulp Fiction work.

[01:03:22] If you watch it in order, right.

[01:03:23] I've never, I know there is a version of that.

[01:03:25] I don't.

[01:03:25] Sure.

[01:03:25] But I doubt it works the same way.

[01:03:27] Exactly.

[01:03:28] Yeah.

[01:03:28] Same thing with irreversible.

[01:03:29] Pulp Fiction is also like different stories that are kind of interconnecting too.

[01:03:32] Yeah.

[01:03:32] Uh, you know, this, this sounds more like that one Rick and Morty bit where, uh, it's

[01:03:36] the guy being like showing Morty his screenplay.

[01:03:39] Yes.

[01:03:40] Uh, and it's like show like, you know, the crazy thing that happens and then go three

[01:03:44] weeks earlier.

[01:03:45] Right.

[01:03:46] Exactly.

[01:03:47] Yeah.

[01:03:47] So it's got that going on.

[01:03:48] I don't know.

[01:03:49] It's like a weird thing, but I think, I think it is a fun ride is it's exciting and cool

[01:03:53] and stuff.

[01:03:54] So definitely recommend checking out strange darling.

[01:03:56] Um, all right.

[01:03:57] And that's available to rent now.

[01:03:59] Nice.

[01:03:59] And, uh, what was your other new release, Mike?

[01:04:00] Next new release is red rooms.

[01:04:03] Okay.

[01:04:03] I've heard great things about this is Bo baby.

[01:04:06] You want to watch a movie and stare at the wall after this is the movie for you.

[01:04:10] Um, it's another one of those like come and not, uh, uh, nowhere near as intense as come

[01:04:15] and see, but, uh, in the, in that, uh, in that Pantheon, you know, I saw the TV glow also

[01:04:20] a movie from this year that I think movie ends and you just stare at the wall for a second,

[01:04:24] you know?

[01:04:25] Um, and this is a, I guess courtroom drama mostly.

[01:04:29] It's about, um, this woman, Kellyanne, who's obsessed with this, uh, court case, this murder

[01:04:35] trial that is starting that, um, is about this guy.

[01:04:38] It's the, it's the first confirmed, uh, like in the movie, the first confirmed instance of

[01:04:44] these like murder red rooms air quotes, uh, on the dark web where you can pay to watch somebody

[01:04:50] live stream an execution, a murder, all this stuff and, and like direct them, which is like,

[01:04:55] you know, been a long rumored thing, but blah, blah, blah, whatever they go into.

[01:04:57] They explain it in the movie.

[01:04:59] And I think it's like, you know, it's not films, right?

[01:05:00] It's been around forever.

[01:05:02] This kind of myth of this thing existing.

[01:05:03] Um, and she's obsessed with this case.

[01:05:05] She's obsessed with this guy.

[01:05:06] She goes, it starts with her waking up, uh, sleeping on cardboard in an alleyway.

[01:05:10] And you're like, Oh, who's this homeless person?

[01:05:13] Right.

[01:05:13] Is that right?

[01:05:14] And, uh, it's so she can be first in line to get into the courtroom, right?

[01:05:17] Like she's like, she's one of these people and it's sort of like her descent into true

[01:05:22] crime obsession and the way that true crime fans and all this stuff, um, exploit the victims

[01:05:27] for their own personal entertainment.

[01:05:28] Like this is a real thing that happened to real people in the movie, you know, a real

[01:05:32] thing that happened to real people.

[01:05:33] Uh, and all that matters to her is whether or not she gets to be in the front row, uh,

[01:05:38] and, and like maybe catch eyes with the accused person and all this stuff.

[01:05:42] And, and she meets this other young girl that's also is there because she thinks the guy's

[01:05:47] innocent and she's sort of like developing a crush and Kellyanne like enables or like

[01:05:52] guides her into that so that she can now be part of that, that world.

[01:05:55] And like all this intense, dark exploring the depths of human depravity kind of stuff.

[01:06:00] Um, it's a real, real fun movie, you know, but it's intense.

[01:06:05] It's, uh, definitely horrific in that kind of way.

[01:06:08] Uh, I guess we'd call it a horror movie, but, um, more because of like the human monsters,

[01:06:13] the monsters that exist inside, uh, everybody or whatever.

[01:06:17] So yeah, I mean, I do recommend it if you're prepared for that.

[01:06:20] If you're prepared that, that kind of movie, there's a big, it looks really sleek and, and

[01:06:24] it's, it's, it's got like Fincher vibes.

[01:06:27] Um, okay.

[01:06:28] You know, where like she, all that matters to Kellyanne is, uh, like the cold calculating

[01:06:33] her apartment has no furniture in it.

[01:06:35] She only drinks, only has meal replacement shakes.

[01:06:37] She doesn't eat, she doesn't take pleasure in life, you know, like that stuff.

[01:06:40] Um, and she's also a hacker and like a, like a crypto thing.

[01:06:44] I don't know.

[01:06:44] It's like a whole thing.

[01:06:45] Um, you know, the, the way that also technology has created this disconnected within humans

[01:06:49] and stuff.

[01:06:50] Um, so yeah, check out, check out red brooms if you want to feel bad.

[01:06:54] Nice.

[01:06:55] Yeah.

[01:06:55] I almost watched this, uh, on my flight back home, uh, this past weekend and I'm glad

[01:06:59] I didn't, uh, this feels like something I would rather watch, you know, at home.

[01:07:02] So yeah, I, I've heard great things about this though.

[01:07:04] So I'm pretty excited to check this out.

[01:07:06] Cool.

[01:07:07] A few more, uh, just random things to throw out there, Mike.

[01:07:09] Uh, do you have any more?

[01:07:10] Did you want to throw out there?

[01:07:11] Should we start wrapping up soon?

[01:07:12] Um, I got two more movies.

[01:07:14] Sure.

[01:07:14] Yeah.

[01:07:14] If you, if you want to hit those real quick, uh, I do have an out, uh, at, at some point.

[01:07:19] I didn't know that.

[01:07:19] I'm sorry.

[01:07:20] Yeah.

[01:07:20] No worries.

[01:07:20] Yeah.

[01:07:21] Yeah.

[01:07:21] So then I watched, um, my, I don't know how, how I, uh, actually this is more recent

[01:07:26] than I realized from 2023, uh, in the land of saints and sinners.

[01:07:29] Um, Oh yeah.

[01:07:30] Yeah.

[01:07:30] He told me about this.

[01:07:37] Not an action movie.

[01:07:38] Like all those other ones, you know, you're the nonstop also rocks and all that stuff.

[01:07:41] It's about, uh, Northern Ireland in the seventies.

[01:07:44] And he, or Liam Neeson is a like hit man slash executioner sort of thing.

[01:07:50] Like he doesn't like go do assassinations in like the, the, uh, like action movie sense.

[01:07:55] He like kidnaps somebody, takes them out to the wilderness and shoots them and buries

[01:07:58] them in the woods.

[01:07:59] Like for like, just, he gets a name, you know, he doesn't like, it's not an action thing.

[01:08:03] Um, and so that's going on.

[01:08:05] And then at the same time, there is the IRA sets off a car bomb, accidentally kill some

[01:08:10] children that are running down the street.

[01:08:11] Uh, and they come to hide in this small, like a seaside village that has Liam Neeson working

[01:08:19] as this executioner guy in it and brings the heat, you know, kind of thing into the town.

[01:08:24] The iron, these people are on the run and, and it's just sort of like a, uh, one of those

[01:08:28] like small towns are terrifying kind of movies.

[01:08:31] Like everybody knows everybody's everything.

[01:08:33] Uh, even the dark shit and, and, uh, it's just got a really solid supporting cast of like,

[01:08:38] Oh, that guy was on game of Thrones.

[01:08:40] All these Northern Ireland actors and stuff, including Jack Gleeson, who was Joffrey.

[01:08:46] Oh yeah.

[01:08:46] But he's just like an adult.

[01:08:48] That's weird.

[01:08:49] It's wild.

[01:08:50] He's got a mustache.

[01:08:51] It's crazy.

[01:08:52] So yeah, I mean, it's way better than I like, I think maybe has any right to be, but is still

[01:08:57] pretty solid.

[01:08:58] Uh, or like, you know what I mean?

[01:08:59] What you, you would look at this and be like, this is probably nothing, but then it's like,

[01:09:02] Oh, actually we're exploring some hashtag themes here.

[01:09:05] Um, so that's in the land of saints and sinners, which is a great title also.

[01:09:09] And then, uh, the last movie that I watch is, uh, from 1995 directed by, uh, the Hughes

[01:09:15] brothers that also directed menace to society.

[01:09:17] And I think book of Eli I saw or something, or one of them did.

[01:09:21] Um, that's right.

[01:09:22] Yes.

[01:09:22] And that is dead presidents.

[01:09:24] Okay.

[01:09:25] Oh baby.

[01:09:26] I remember this DVD cover.

[01:09:28] Cause this is really striking image of this, of the guy in silhouette or in, um, profile in

[01:09:33] profile with like skeleton, his face painted all white.

[01:09:36] Um, this is a movie that is just sort of like a slice of life thing.

[01:09:39] I had seen it written about as like a crime movie or something.

[01:09:43] Um, and there is crime elements and it does like culminate in a heist, but that's the

[01:09:46] last 15 minutes.

[01:09:48] Um, it's mostly this light slice of life of this guy, Curtis and his friends.

[01:09:53] Curtis is, uh, Lorenz Tate.

[01:09:55] Chris Tucker is his friend, Skip.

[01:09:57] And Freddie Rodriguez is his friend, Jose.

[01:09:59] Um, and, uh, there, there's three guys in the sixties in the Bronx and it's their senior

[01:10:03] high school.

[01:10:04] And they're just kind of like getting ready to graduate and fucking around and getting

[01:10:07] involved in like petty crime stuff.

[01:10:09] Keith David plays this kind of like neighborhood, uh, thug guy.

[01:10:13] He, he operates out of the back of a local bar and he has these guys like collecting money,

[01:10:19] uh, the kids collecting money for like his numbers racket.

[01:10:21] And they're like, not really, you know, they're just kind of like punks.

[01:10:24] They're street punks kind of thing.

[01:10:26] Um, and shit happens.

[01:10:28] They, they go to Vietnam.

[01:10:29] Some of them go to Vietnam, right?

[01:10:30] Of course it's the late sixties.

[01:10:31] Uh, and so the whole middle section is Vietnam and it's just all of a sudden there is just

[01:10:37] like horrific, grotesque violence.

[01:10:39] Uh, obviously, you know, all that shit that comes out of nowhere.

[01:10:42] Bokeem Woodbine's this like psycho, uh, like blood simple guy that's in their unit that just

[01:10:48] is like cutting off heads and like, he's going nuts.

[01:10:50] And it's awesome because it's Bokeem Woodbine.

[01:10:52] Um, and then they come back from Vietnam and of course they can't find jobs, heroin.

[01:10:58] They get pulled deeper into this life of crime that they, they like narrowly avoided as teenagers

[01:11:03] and now get pulled deeper into it.

[01:11:05] And all this trials and tribulation stuff.

[01:11:07] Uh, and it culminates in a, in a big like armored car, uh, armored truck heist.

[01:11:12] That's intense and violent and scary.

[01:11:14] Um, and it's movie fucking rules and it's called dead presidents and you should watch it.

[01:11:17] Okay.

[01:11:18] Yeah.

[01:11:18] Dead presidents.

[01:11:19] That sounds awesome.

[01:11:19] That sounds fantastic.

[01:11:20] It's real good.

[01:11:20] All right, cool.

[01:11:21] All right.

[01:11:21] And then I have a couple of random ones that are out there.

[01:11:24] Uh, I watched a maniac William Lustig's film from 1980, uh, on Halloween.

[01:11:29] Nice.

[01:11:29] Uh, complete works season adjacent star.

[01:11:33] Joe Spinell.

[01:11:34] So I, I was not aware that Joe Spinell was in Maniac.

[01:11:37] And not only that, I mean, he was, you know, he's the star of the movie.

[01:11:40] He also produced it and like co-wrote it.

[01:11:42] Like he's heavily involved, uh, in Maniac.

[01:11:45] It's like a passion project.

[01:11:46] Uh, and he's amazing in this movie.

[01:11:48] He's so, so good.

[01:11:49] Uh, have you seen Maniac before Mike?

[01:11:50] I actually have not seen it, but I like know a lot, obviously.

[01:11:53] Uh, you know, looms large over the kind of like grindhouse weirdo horror movies that I

[01:11:58] like.

[01:11:58] Yeah.

[01:11:59] And you, so it is Joe Spinell as this guy who is, uh, you know, uh, insane serial killer.

[01:12:04] He's torturing and killing women.

[01:12:06] And I think it, it does a better job of just like putting you in like the perspective of that

[01:12:11] killer than most other movies have ever seen.

[01:12:13] Uh, it's, it's a really, really a grimy, gross movie and, you know, occasionally very,

[01:12:19] very violent.

[01:12:19] Uh, although most of the violence is like kind of off screen.

[01:12:21] Uh, but there is one moment, uh, Tom Savini did the makeup effects and stuff for this movie

[01:12:26] and also appears in the movie, uh, as like a, like a guy who's like kind of with a girl

[01:12:31] in a car.

[01:12:31] And at one point the Maniac, uh, Joe Spinell shows up and shoots Tom Savini and his head

[01:12:36] explodes.

[01:12:37] And I was like, this is kind of the dream as any makeup effects artist to be like, I

[01:12:41] get to explode my own head.

[01:12:44] That's right.

[01:12:45] Yeah.

[01:12:45] Great.

[01:12:45] Love that.

[01:12:46] Uh, so yeah, that was pretty cool.

[01:12:48] Uh, yeah, no really dug it.

[01:12:49] It's on shutter right now.

[01:12:50] Uh, it is pretty bleak, pretty gross, pretty, uh, like if you're not into that kind of thing,

[01:12:54] you're not going to enjoy Maniac, but, uh, I really dug it.

[01:12:57] It's, it's pretty cool.

[01:12:57] Nice.

[01:12:58] Uh, and then a few rewatches that I wanted to kind of give a shout out to.

[01:13:01] I was in New York, uh, this past week and I hung out with my family for a while and

[01:13:05] then crashed my brother's place in Brooklyn.

[01:13:07] Uh, we spent like six hours at a brewery with my family and then we got back to my brother's

[01:13:10] place and we're like, what do we do?

[01:13:12] Let's watch a movie or something.

[01:13:13] And my brother puts on the sixth sense, uh, which lift the mood, you know?

[01:13:19] Yes.

[01:13:19] Which, uh, he and his girlfriend had never seen.

[01:13:21] Uh, and I had seen, but like not since at least high school.

[01:13:25] Like it had been a very long time since I had watched the sixth sense and my brother's

[01:13:30] girlfriend did not know what the twist was at the end of the sixth sense.

[01:13:35] She figured it out about halfway through the movie.

[01:13:37] I think once you know that there is a twist at the end of the sixth sense, it's pretty

[01:13:40] easy to figure it out.

[01:13:41] Okay.

[01:13:42] That's fair.

[01:13:42] Yeah.

[01:13:42] But yeah, no, she did not know that ahead of time, which I thought was kind of crazy.

[01:13:46] But anyway, what it's like to be so disconnected from pop culture, right?

[01:13:50] Well, I guess there's no monoculture anymore.

[01:13:51] So who knows?

[01:13:52] So I bet she knows everything about a YouTube guy or something, but it doesn't.

[01:13:56] Or the TikToks.

[01:13:57] Yes.

[01:13:58] She's not into TikTok, but she has read all the Dune books, uh, but, but refuses to see

[01:14:02] the Dune movies.

[01:14:03] She only reads the Dune books.

[01:14:05] Uh, wild.

[01:14:06] Yes.

[01:14:06] What a fascinating human.

[01:14:07] Get her on the pod.

[01:14:08] Yes.

[01:14:08] I think that'd be a lot of fun, but we all watched the sixth sense together and man,

[01:14:11] this movie holds up.

[01:14:12] It's great.

[01:14:13] Uh, I had not seen this in so long.

[01:14:15] Of course, this is M night Shyamalan, his kind of breakthrough feature with Bruce Willis,

[01:14:18] also Tony Collette's in here and, uh, Haley Joel Osment, obviously.

[01:14:22] And yeah, it's, it's a really, uh, you know, tense thriller, uh, that has, you know, genuine

[01:14:27] scares in it, but it is much more like kind of downbeat than most horror movies.

[01:14:31] And, you know, it's, you know, I'm, I'm one of those guys who's like, you know, I didn't

[01:14:35] love trap.

[01:14:36] Like some people did, but I really dug it.

[01:14:38] I had a good time with trap.

[01:14:39] Uh, and then you watch the sixth sense and you're like, oh yeah, this is what Shyamalan's

[01:14:42] like capable of.

[01:14:43] This is like, he could be doing something like this.

[01:14:45] Yeah.

[01:14:46] Uh, and he's instead making trap, which again, I enjoyed.

[01:14:48] Uh, but yeah, there's a disconnect there.

[01:14:51] I think something happened.

[01:14:52] I don't know what it was.

[01:14:53] Yeah.

[01:14:53] Oh, it was years of awful movies before coming back with like his self-financed good movies,

[01:14:57] you know?

[01:14:58] Yeah.

[01:14:58] But sixth sense, it rocks.

[01:15:00] Uh, it's on HBO max right now, which is where we, we watched it.

[01:15:03] So, uh, it's worth watching again.

[01:15:04] I, I hadn't seen it in so long and was like surprised at how like into it I was.

[01:15:09] So yeah, sixth sense.

[01:15:10] And then on my flight back, uh, you know, I had two planes back from New York to Missoula.

[01:15:13] Uh, on my first flight, I watched the social network, uh, which man, what a picture that

[01:15:18] talk about, talk about an Aaron Sorkin script that works.

[01:15:20] Yeah.

[01:15:20] Uh, you know?

[01:15:21] Yeah, no, I, uh, this was like one of my favorite movies when it came out.

[01:15:24] Uh, I was a huge, huge fan of social network.

[01:15:26] It was like top tier David Fincher.

[01:15:27] Like I was 17 when this movie was released.

[01:15:29] So it was a big movie for me.

[01:15:31] Uh, I had a poster of this movie in my dorm room in my freshman year of college.

[01:15:35] Uh, cause that was like right after it came out and my friend worked at the movie theater

[01:15:38] and gave me the poster.

[01:15:39] Nice.

[01:15:39] Uh, and so yeah, I loved the social network, saw it a million times then, but I don't think

[01:15:43] I've seen it since maybe college.

[01:15:45] Uh, so it was a good time to, I was in the mood to watch something on the plane, but like

[01:15:50] couldn't really muster the energy to like watch something new.

[01:15:53] So I want to just rewatch like an old favorite and I watched the social network and man,

[01:15:56] it holds up the script is so sharp.

[01:15:58] It's so funny.

[01:15:58] It's so quotable.

[01:15:59] Great performances.

[01:16:00] Andrew Garfield, Jesse Eisenberg, Armie Hammer.

[01:16:02] Uh, but turns out no better person to be playing the Vinklevoss twins than right.

[01:16:09] Are we having like it all?

[01:16:10] Yes, exactly.

[01:16:11] And that, that effect is still like kind of mind blowing, but you have Armie Hammer playing

[01:16:16] both of them and you, cause you on set, they did have like another actor playing the other

[01:16:20] twin, Josh Pence.

[01:16:22] Right.

[01:16:22] And they like kind of digitally imposed Armie Hammer's head onto that actor's head.

[01:16:27] And it's totally seamless when you're watching the movie.

[01:16:30] Like you just believe there's two Armie Hammers, uh, which is one of the worst things that the

[01:16:33] world could possibly have.

[01:16:34] But in the context of the film, it's pretty great.

[01:16:37] Uh, nice.

[01:16:38] Uh, so yeah, social network still holds up.

[01:16:40] It's great.

[01:16:40] I also rewatched oceans 11 on my way back and man, what a picture.

[01:16:43] So good.

[01:16:44] Just, uh, just a perfect, like, you know, hangout movie with your guys stealing money out of

[01:16:49] casino, you know?

[01:16:50] Um, the scene where George Clooney and Julia Roberts like talk for the first time is like

[01:16:55] some of the most crackling dialogue that's ever been put to film.

[01:16:58] Uh, there's like one line that like really got me this time where he's like talking about

[01:17:01] getting out of jail and it's like, oh yes, I've repaid my debt to society.

[01:17:04] So they say, and she like immediately is like, oh funny.

[01:17:06] I didn't get my check.

[01:17:09] Yeah.

[01:17:10] Having just watched, uh, out of sight for the first time recently, it was like, oh baby,

[01:17:14] like I miss this kind of air.

[01:17:16] I mean, I guess that's a couple of years before.

[01:17:17] Oh sure.

[01:17:18] That's around that time.

[01:17:19] And it's a Soderbergh and it's Clooney.

[01:17:20] So yeah, it definitely is of that vibe for sure.

[01:17:23] Uh, and yeah, just the whole ensemble is so fun and it's just such a fun movie to watch.

[01:17:27] Uh, so that was a great time.

[01:17:28] Uh, so yeah, social network oceans 11, those are my airplane movies on my way back to

[01:17:31] Missoula.

[01:17:32] Good times.

[01:17:33] Good times.

[01:17:33] What a good, good way to spend it.

[01:17:35] When I was coming back from LA, I know we got to go.

[01:17:37] Um, I watched, uh, watchers the speaking of Shablon.

[01:17:41] Oh, his daughter's movie.

[01:17:42] His daughter's movie.

[01:17:43] It's fine.

[01:17:43] Like whatever.

[01:17:44] I don't know.

[01:17:44] I heard, I heard kind of mixed things about that.

[01:17:46] Yeah.

[01:17:46] It's not that great.

[01:17:48] Uh, all right.

[01:17:49] And I think it's going to bring us to the end of this, uh, discussions episode, Mike.

[01:17:51] We talked about a lot.

[01:17:52] We talked about a lot of stuff.

[01:17:53] We did it.

[01:17:54] I think that's it.

[01:17:55] We're out of movies.

[01:17:56] We're out of movies.

[01:17:56] There's no more movies left.

[01:17:57] We can't do discussions until there's more movies.

[01:17:59] That's right.

[01:18:00] Luckily, there's always more movies.

[01:18:01] Uh, then that's keeping us, it's keeping us going through these tumultuous times.

[01:18:06] Until they're illegal to watch, which could be any day now.

[01:18:09] Any day.

[01:18:09] Yeah.

[01:18:10] Uh, but all right.

[01:18:11] Mike D, where can we find you online this week?

[01:18:13] Uh, you know what?

[01:18:14] Don't.

[01:18:15] Yeah.

[01:18:15] Actually, uh, don't.

[01:18:17] Fair enough.

[01:18:18] I guess Blue Sky.

[01:18:19] I'm on Blue Sky.

[01:18:20] At MD Film Blog on Blue Sky.

[01:18:22] Yeah.

[01:18:22] I mean, I'm still on Blue Sky too.

[01:18:23] I'm technically still on Twitter.

[01:18:25] Uh, Emma Smith Film Blog.

[01:18:26] You can find me there as well as Radio Mike Sandwich on Instagram and Emma Smith, Mike Smith

[01:18:30] Film on Letterboxd.

[01:18:31] I kind of mixed up my order there.

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