Since we didn't get to talk about it for our annual in-person episode, Mike and Mike recorded this quick bonus episode to discuss Robert Egger's latest horror film, NOSFERATU!
[00:00:02] Let's get together, talk about the movies that we saw this week. We'll have discussions, talk film news, we'll laugh a lot and act like geeks. Sometimes we'll have a guest or two, sometimes it's just the two of us. Let's crack some jokes and tell some folks to come along and hang with us! Mike and...
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[00:00:28] Listen to them, children of the night, what podcasts they make. It's Mike and Mike out of the Movies! I'm Mike Smith and Jeremy as always is the hash-slinging slasher.
[00:00:41] I was wondering. Mike Terricio.
[00:00:43] How are you doing today, Mike?
[00:00:44] I'm doing great. How are you?
[00:00:46] I'm good, I'm good. This is the first Mike and Mike that we're recording in the new year. Of course, we just did our in-person Die Hard episode while I was back home for the holidays, which was a lot of fun. So thank you for coming out for that again, Mike.
[00:00:59] Thanks for letting me come to your house and drink so many beers.
[00:01:02] We drank a lot of beers.
[00:01:03] We had a crate full of beers that we had to dispose of the next day. But yeah, thank you for coming out, Mike. And thank you again to producer Colin for coming out as well. And for Kyle Cullen, who A, got to watch Die Hard for the first time.
[00:01:18] So you're welcome.
[00:01:19] Yeah, you're welcome. But B, you know, was there, was on the episode and also set up all our sound for us and edited the episode and all that stuff. So thank you to Kyle for that as well.
[00:01:27] The actual producer, Colin.
[00:01:31] Yeah, producer Colin in quotes and then unquoted producer.
[00:01:34] Yeah, yeah.
[00:01:36] Yeah.
[00:01:37] Yeah.
[00:01:37] So it's the new year. It's 2025.
[00:01:39] We are going to record our 2024 year in review spectacular next week, I think.
[00:01:46] Yes.
[00:01:46] That's the plan. So it'll be out a little bit later than it usually is.
[00:01:49] But that's OK, because I still got some movies.
[00:01:51] So yeah.
[00:01:53] Yeah, I guess. I mean, I guess I have time to finish a couple more finish, but like finish my list.
[00:01:58] You know, yeah, I'm over 20 already on my list, which is unheard of for me.
[00:02:03] Yeah, no, usually you're scrambling to find like 12.
[00:02:10] But we'll get into it next week.
[00:02:12] But Mike, I was back in the movies in a big way.
[00:02:13] So we'll talk about that.
[00:02:15] But I guess I technically have time to finish to watch a couple more.
[00:02:18] Yeah, there you could.
[00:02:19] Yeah, I feel very comfortable with my list, like to the point where I actually posted it online.
[00:02:22] You can see mine if you want to to the audience or if you want to not look and just keep it a surprise, you know, definitely do that as well.
[00:02:29] But yeah, I feel pretty comfortable with my list.
[00:02:31] I there's still a few 2024 movies I got to see.
[00:02:34] But the ones that I really want to see aren't going to be opening near me until after we record that episode.
[00:02:39] Yeah.
[00:02:40] You know, like I really want to see The Brutalist.
[00:02:42] And yeah, that's not going to open until like end of January for me, which is a bummer.
[00:02:46] Want to see Sing Sing and never had the chance to do that because it never came to Missoula.
[00:02:50] Nickel Boys, I've heard, is fantastic.
[00:02:52] And yes, still haven't had the chance to see that yet.
[00:02:53] So there's a bunch that I just will not have the time to see before we record the year in review episode.
[00:02:59] That said, I have seen 116 movies from 2024 so far.
[00:03:03] Wow.
[00:03:04] Which which I think is more than the average person.
[00:03:06] I think so.
[00:03:07] I think that's a lot more than the average person.
[00:03:10] Yes.
[00:03:10] So I feel like I have a very good sample size for the movies that are on my list.
[00:03:15] And I will say, just based on what's been happening in award circles and year end lists and all that kind of stuff.
[00:03:23] My list, I think, is going to be very different from what the Academy ends up with for their best picture.
[00:03:29] I actually don't.
[00:03:30] Based on like the movies that are getting the kind of love from awards bodies.
[00:03:33] I don't think that there is a single movie in my top 10 that's going to be nominated for best picture of the Oscars this year.
[00:03:38] Wow.
[00:03:39] Which, you know, some years are like that and some years aren't.
[00:03:41] I remember 2019, my top three were Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Parasite, The Irishman, which were all nominated for best picture.
[00:03:47] And then the rest of my top 10 was all stuff that wasn't, you know.
[00:03:51] But this year, I don't know.
[00:03:53] I mean, maybe there'll be a surprise.
[00:03:55] You know, you never know.
[00:03:56] Maybe hundreds of beavers will end up getting nominated for best picture at the Oscars.
[00:03:59] We can only hope.
[00:04:00] That'd be great.
[00:04:01] But I don't it doesn't seem likely.
[00:04:04] Yeah.
[00:04:04] Yeah, I think I guess I guess all those same movies also that I haven't seen, you know, Brutalist, Sing Sing, Nickel Boys.
[00:04:12] Ghostlight is the is really the last one that I was like, oh, this has a potential for what I've heard about it.
[00:04:17] Yeah, I think I think you would like Ghostlight.
[00:04:19] I've seen Ghostlight too.
[00:04:20] Yeah.
[00:04:21] So maybe I'll use that next this next week before we record to catch up on one or two more.
[00:04:26] We'll see.
[00:04:26] Yeah, absolutely.
[00:04:27] That's what I've been doing for the last few weeks of the year.
[00:04:30] I'm almost like 2024 movie out.
[00:04:32] I feel like I need to watch other stuff.
[00:04:33] Yeah, it does also feel kind of weird to watch stuff to be like, is this one of the top 10 best movies I've seen this year?
[00:04:39] Yeah, with that expression.
[00:04:40] Once you have that mentality, you're like, I don't know.
[00:04:43] Yeah.
[00:04:45] Not quite up to snuff.
[00:04:47] Exactly.
[00:04:48] Yeah.
[00:04:49] So we'll see.
[00:04:50] Yeah.
[00:04:51] So we'll be we'll be talking about all those movies next week on the podcast.
[00:04:54] So very excited to dive into that.
[00:04:55] But today we're going to do something that we kind of wanted to do before.
[00:04:59] So we when we were doing the in-person episode, we were talking a lot about what that episode was going to be.
[00:05:05] And usually end of the year, we always try to talk about whatever, like the big blockbuster is at the end of the year.
[00:05:10] Right.
[00:05:11] And in hindsight, I guess that's Son of the Hedgehog three.
[00:05:14] Yeah.
[00:05:15] But we still refuse to acknowledge or accept.
[00:05:18] Well, you know, I so shout out to producer Colin.
[00:05:21] I did watch the first Son of the Hedgehog a few days ago.
[00:05:23] Oh, baby.
[00:05:24] I watched it because I had I hadn't seen it before.
[00:05:26] I had just got I had just spent like 26 hours getting home from New York back to Missoula.
[00:05:31] And I was so exhausted and I couldn't like concentrate on anything.
[00:05:35] But I didn't want to like really rewatch something.
[00:05:37] I was like, I just got to put something on that I don't care about too much.
[00:05:40] And Son of the Hedgehog happened to be streaming on Amazon Prime.
[00:05:43] Perfect.
[00:05:44] So I watched the first one and it's not bad.
[00:05:46] It's fine.
[00:05:47] It's OK.
[00:05:48] Yeah, it's an OK time.
[00:05:49] So I might watch Sonic two like this week and then try to catch Sonic three at some point soon.
[00:05:54] I I'm not going to rush that one.
[00:05:56] I don't think it's going to make my top 10 of 24.
[00:05:58] You think you're safe?
[00:05:59] I think I'm safe on that one.
[00:06:01] But I have heard from everybody who's seen it.
[00:06:03] That Sonic three is actually pretty good.
[00:06:05] So, yeah, I'm kind of kind of curious about it.
[00:06:08] But in any case, yeah, shout out to Colin.
[00:06:10] I did finally watch Sonic the Hedgehog.
[00:06:12] But yeah, in hindsight, that seems like that has been the big blockbuster for 2024, like the holiday season, unless you count like Wicked, which came out in like November.
[00:06:20] So I don't know.
[00:06:21] But yeah, there wasn't really like a clear cut answer.
[00:06:23] And the one that we wanted to do was Nosferatu.
[00:06:26] Right.
[00:06:26] You know, Nosferatu, of course, the new film from Robert Eggers and one that we were both very excited about.
[00:06:31] And we wanted to try to make that happen for the in-person episode.
[00:06:34] But the timing just didn't work out.
[00:06:36] Like we had to do it before Christmas.
[00:06:37] And Nosferatu came out on Christmas.
[00:06:39] So I was really like, well, what can you do there?
[00:06:42] Yeah.
[00:06:42] Yeah.
[00:06:43] I wish I had gotten to go on Christmas Day, but it just didn't really work out because that would have been cool.
[00:06:47] Yes.
[00:06:48] I mean, I was trying to see it.
[00:06:49] So Christmas Day, of course, you know, had to be with the family, all that kind of stuff.
[00:06:52] But I would have liked to see it the 26th or 27th.
[00:06:54] And I had to wait until it ended up being the first movie I saw in 2025, January 1st.
[00:07:00] OK.
[00:07:00] Because I had to then spend, you know, I had time with friends and family and stuff.
[00:07:03] And then I was heading back home to Missoula on the 29th.
[00:07:06] So I was flying all day.
[00:07:07] I did get to go to the movies on the 28th, but it was like a family movie thing.
[00:07:11] And so I was taking my mom and I was kind of like, well, you know, the one I really want to see is Nosferatu.
[00:07:18] And she's like, what is that?
[00:07:19] And I was like, oh, it's a horror movie.
[00:07:20] And she's like, pass.
[00:07:21] No.
[00:07:22] And so we ended up seeing A Complete Unknown.
[00:07:25] Oh, nice.
[00:07:25] Yeah.
[00:07:26] Which is also pretty good thrown out there.
[00:07:28] I was pleasantly surprised by how much I liked A Complete Unknown.
[00:07:31] But yes, I wanted to see Nosferatu that like first weekend and just didn't get the chance.
[00:07:34] But I ended up making it the first movie I saw in 2025.
[00:07:37] And so because we couldn't do the in-person episode, Mike D and I decided, well, let's talk about it now.
[00:07:42] Let's do a regular just plain old episode about Nosferatu before we do our 2024 year in review next week.
[00:07:48] That's right.
[00:07:49] We knew we were going to see it.
[00:07:51] So let's both talk about it.
[00:07:52] Yes, absolutely.
[00:07:53] And so let's do it.
[00:07:54] It's time to talk about Nosferatu.
[00:07:56] Come to me.
[00:08:54] Come to you, my child.
[00:08:55] All right.
[00:09:34] That was from the trailer for Nosferatu, the new film directed by Robert Eggers, starring people like Lily Rose Depp, Bill SkarsgÄrd, Willem Dafoe, Nicholas Holt, Aaron Tate.
[00:09:42] Taylor Johnson, Emma Corrin and a lot more.
[00:09:45] And yeah, no.
[00:09:46] So we were both pretty excited about this movie, Mike.
[00:09:48] I mean, we're both big fans of Robert Eggers.
[00:09:50] Yeah.
[00:09:51] Who I believe.
[00:09:52] Did we do a review of The Witch when it came out?
[00:09:55] I think we did.
[00:09:55] I feel like we did.
[00:09:57] I feel like we did.
[00:09:58] That feels like that happened.
[00:09:59] Yeah.
[00:09:59] And that was that was back in 2016.
[00:10:02] And we've been kind of following his career since then.
[00:10:05] And The Witch, we were both huge fans of.
[00:10:07] I think it might have made both of our top tens that year.
[00:10:09] The Lighthouse, we were both huge fans of.
[00:10:11] I think that was in your top ten at least.
[00:10:13] And The Northman, I think we're both huge fans of.
[00:10:16] I think I'm a huger fan of The Northman than you are.
[00:10:19] Yeah.
[00:10:19] I've only seen it the one time in theaters.
[00:10:21] I mean, and I liked it, but I'm not like in love with it the way you are.
[00:10:24] I mean, I suspect that's just.
[00:10:26] I have also only seen it one time.
[00:10:28] Well, yeah.
[00:10:29] No, but I just suspect that like what I would watch it again, if I watch it again or when I watch it again, I mean, it will raise in my, you know, esteem.
[00:10:37] Yeah, that was in my top five of that year, I think.
[00:10:39] I think so.
[00:10:40] Yeah.
[00:10:40] I was a huge, huge fan of The Northman.
[00:10:43] So, yeah, in general, we're both pretty big fans of Robert Eggers.
[00:10:45] We really liked his last three movies.
[00:10:47] And we were both pretty excited for Nosferatu.
[00:10:49] A, you know, it's a remake of the classic 1922 silent film, one of the very first horror films out there.
[00:10:55] And we're big fans of what Robert Eggers does.
[00:10:57] We're big fans of the cast that he assembled for this thing.
[00:10:59] B, it's the movie that he's been trying to make for a long time since The Witch came out.
[00:11:03] He's been talking about making a new version of Nosferatu.
[00:11:06] And things just kept falling out of place, didn't quite come together.
[00:11:09] And so he made these other movies instead.
[00:11:10] That worked out.
[00:11:11] Those were all very good.
[00:11:13] But he finally got the chance to make Nosferatu.
[00:11:15] And it has turned into a kind of surprise holiday hit.
[00:11:19] But, like, you know, it's done very well at the box office for a R-rated horror movie that was released at Christmas time.
[00:11:26] You know, I have flashbacks to, like, when The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo came out, which I remember that.
[00:11:31] I think these movies performed kind of about the same.
[00:11:34] But when Dragon Tattoo came out, people were expecting that to be a huge movie.
[00:11:37] And it kind of underperformed at the box office.
[00:11:39] I remember that was kind of the narrative surrounding it.
[00:11:41] And I think because it was like and I think people were like, well, yeah, no, it's a really dark movie to release at Christmas time.
[00:11:47] You know, it's a tough one to convince the family to go out to.
[00:11:51] So maybe we've become a more godless country or something.
[00:11:53] And more people are going to the movie on Christmas or whatever it is.
[00:11:57] But Nosferatu, it's out.
[00:11:59] People are seeing it.
[00:11:59] People are liking it.
[00:12:00] What did you think of Nosferatu, Mike?
[00:12:03] So first, I just looked.
[00:12:05] Northman is in my runner-ups.
[00:12:07] There's an album mentioned for you.
[00:12:08] Yeah, 2022.
[00:12:09] So I liked it, but didn't make my top ten.
[00:12:11] Gotcha.
[00:12:12] And yeah, so for Nosferatu, I feel like I'm in a similar boat a little bit for Northman.
[00:12:17] I really like this movie.
[00:12:18] I think it's incredible visually.
[00:12:19] The performances are great.
[00:12:21] Like, you know, I'm in the bag basically for Eggers stuff.
[00:12:25] But it's not like I'm not like on my knees at the altar of this movie yet.
[00:12:30] I suspect the more times I watch it, the more I'll fall in love with it and love it.
[00:12:34] But I did really like it.
[00:12:36] I also had weird theater-going experience.
[00:12:38] Well, not weird, just annoying.
[00:12:40] People were just like talking at full volume, people on their phones and shit.
[00:12:43] And I was just like, spent a lot of the movie just being like, oh, society is collapsing.
[00:12:48] Much like on film, in the movie, just unraveling at all corners, as was my theater experience.
[00:12:56] Right.
[00:12:56] So it's uncomfortable.
[00:12:58] So yeah, I don't know.
[00:12:59] Maybe that's obviously not the movie's fault.
[00:13:02] But it can detract from it or distract from the movie.
[00:13:05] So there's that.
[00:13:06] But I think, yeah, Lilia Rose Depp, incredible in this.
[00:13:09] I have not seen The Idol or Idol or whatever that HBO show that she's.
[00:13:13] I have also not seen that show.
[00:13:15] I've heard it's quite bad.
[00:13:16] I've heard it's bad, but I heard she's good in it.
[00:13:18] So I don't know.
[00:13:19] Yeah, I think outside of this, I think I've only seen her in the Kevin Smith movie Yoga Hosers.
[00:13:26] That would track, honestly.
[00:13:27] Which is an awful movie.
[00:13:28] It's really bad.
[00:13:31] So she's great.
[00:13:32] So that's exciting.
[00:13:33] Nicholas Holt, great.
[00:13:34] I love him.
[00:13:35] I'm so in the bag for him whenever he's just a frazzled Victorian person.
[00:13:39] Yes.
[00:13:40] Which is so fun.
[00:13:42] Willem Dafoe's great.
[00:13:43] Ralph Anderson's great.
[00:13:44] Everybody's really good.
[00:13:46] So yeah, and the production design, of course, like that's sort of Edgar's whole thing.
[00:13:50] The kind of period appropriate and period accurate, like almost to a fault kind of thing.
[00:13:58] So that's, you know, it's great.
[00:14:00] Yeah.
[00:14:00] And I do wish we hadn't known Bill SkarsgÄrd was Count Orlok because you can't tell.
[00:14:06] And I think that would have been so cool, like of a reveal.
[00:14:09] The same way like Nicolas Cage and Longlegs, they're like, we can't show, we can't say.
[00:14:13] Right.
[00:14:13] Yes.
[00:14:15] Which they didn't show him in any of the trailers or anything, I don't think.
[00:14:17] I don't think so.
[00:14:18] I think there's like a poster.
[00:14:19] You can kind of see him.
[00:14:19] But I think it just would have been one of those otherworldly like things that like,
[00:14:25] like who is this guy?
[00:14:27] And then the credits roll and you're like, oh my God, it's Bill SkarsgÄrd.
[00:14:30] I don't know.
[00:14:30] That would have been cool.
[00:14:31] Like Gary Oldman in that one Hannibal movie.
[00:14:33] It's like, that's Gary Oldman?
[00:14:34] Why is that Gary Oldman?
[00:14:36] So yeah.
[00:14:37] Anyway, it does for out to you.
[00:14:38] It's real cool.
[00:14:39] It's exciting that it exists.
[00:14:40] It's exciting that it's like successful.
[00:14:42] I think.
[00:14:49] To make a $90 million movie or whatever that was.
[00:14:52] Right.
[00:14:52] Yes.
[00:14:53] I don't know what the budget was for this, but it's exciting that it is making money or
[00:14:56] is a success broadly.
[00:14:58] Yeah.
[00:14:58] From what I understand with the Northman, because yeah, the Northman came out and did not do
[00:15:02] super well at the box office.
[00:15:03] However, I think it was like a big VOD hit.
[00:15:05] Oh, okay.
[00:15:06] Like I think once it hit video on demand, like a lot of people ended up renting it.
[00:15:09] Yeah.
[00:15:10] And that's something that happens very, very rarely these days.
[00:15:14] You know, like that's, but it's sort of the equivalent of like when a movie would
[00:15:17] be a hit on DVD or something.
[00:15:18] Right.
[00:15:19] It just, uh, video on demand, it ended up doing very well.
[00:15:22] And that's kind of how he got Nosferatu funded, uh, because the Northman ended up picking up
[00:15:26] later, uh, in its life.
[00:15:28] I watched, uh, there was an interview thing, conversation thing for one of those, I don't
[00:15:32] know, GQ or Esquire or Vanity, whatever.
[00:15:34] One of those YouTube things.
[00:15:36] Uh, that was Willem Dafoe and Robert Eggers.
[00:15:38] Uh, and they were just talking about the movie and about, you know, his, their histories
[00:15:41] and stuff.
[00:15:42] And, uh, Robert Eggers talked about like, oh yeah, like I originally, I forget exact the
[00:15:46] exact quote, but he said he was really glad.
[00:15:49] That the original version of Nosferatu that he wanted to do first or like right after
[00:15:53] the witch did not get greenlit.
[00:15:55] Uh, and he was like, I'm really glad that worked out because I, that would have been an
[00:15:58] utter disaster.
[00:16:00] I can say he was talking about just like in hindsight and like what he's learned making
[00:16:04] these other movies and stuff, uh, that like he could bring to the current version of it.
[00:16:08] It was like, oh wow, that's fascinating.
[00:16:09] Cause yeah, I remember early on right away.
[00:16:11] That was like the next thing that he wanted to do, uh, was Nosferatu.
[00:16:14] So I think it all, I think it all paid off in the end.
[00:16:17] Yeah, no, absolutely.
[00:16:18] So I, I liked this movie.
[00:16:19] I, I'm sort of with you, Mike.
[00:16:21] I liked it, but didn't love it.
[00:16:22] And I really felt like I was going to love it.
[00:16:24] And so that made it seem a little disappointing coming out of the theater.
[00:16:27] Um, you know, uh, but I did like it and, uh, I think it's, uh, a really effectively done,
[00:16:33] um, period piece.
[00:16:35] I think the production design is amazing.
[00:16:36] The cinematography looks incredible.
[00:16:38] Uh, the cast is really fun.
[00:16:40] Uh, Willem Dafoe especially is just, yeah, he's shooting bank shots from the corner.
[00:16:44] He's amazing.
[00:16:45] He's so good in this movie.
[00:16:46] Uh, you know, that was a accurate sports metaphor, right?
[00:16:50] That word, that word.
[00:16:51] Yeah, sure.
[00:16:52] Got it.
[00:16:53] It broadly makes sense.
[00:16:54] Yeah.
[00:16:54] It broadly made sense.
[00:16:55] Yeah.
[00:16:55] No, he, he is killing it in this movie and he's so much fun.
[00:16:58] Uh, and I think the two lead performances from Lily Rose Depp, uh, and from Bill SkarsgÄrd
[00:17:02] are both very, very good.
[00:17:03] Um, especially considering, uh, Lily Rose Depp, I believe was not originally meant to
[00:17:07] be in the movie.
[00:17:08] I think it was going to be Anya Taylor-Joy.
[00:17:09] Yeah.
[00:17:09] I think Furiosa kept her out of this, right?
[00:17:11] Yes.
[00:17:11] I think she, she dropped out to be in Furiosa instead.
[00:17:14] Um, but she's worked with Eggers a couple of times.
[00:17:15] She was in The Witch and the Northmen and yeah, did Furiosa instead.
[00:17:19] Lily Rose Depp kind of came in at the last minute.
[00:17:20] Uh, and I think there's a very, very good job.
[00:17:22] Uh, I think the makeup effects, the special effects, um,
[00:17:25] to create the Count Orlok kind of persona look really incredible, especially towards
[00:17:30] the end.
[00:17:30] There's this incredible transformation sequence when the sun hits him.
[00:17:32] That's like, Oh my God, that's, that's great.
[00:17:34] Yeah.
[00:17:35] There are, there are moments in this movie that really stand out to me that are really,
[00:17:38] really terrific kind of horror constructed moments.
[00:17:40] And then it's a weird thing where at the end of it, I was like, yeah, all right.
[00:17:44] I don't know.
[00:17:46] Yeah.
[00:17:46] Yeah.
[00:17:47] I'm kind of with you.
[00:17:48] And I, and I'm wondering how much of that was just like my own, like expectations for
[00:17:52] what the movie might be.
[00:17:53] I also saw it on new year's day and, uh, I, I don't think I was hung over by the time
[00:17:58] I went to see the movie.
[00:17:59] However, I may not have been in the best physical state to like two and a half hours to watch,
[00:18:03] to watch it.
[00:18:04] It is long.
[00:18:05] It is.
[00:18:05] It's kind of long.
[00:18:06] Yeah.
[00:18:07] And I think part of it is just like, I'm, you know, it's, it's not that I'm like very
[00:18:11] familiar specifically with this story.
[00:18:13] However, I am, you know, I mean, I've seen, I've seen SpongeBob.
[00:18:17] Well, yeah, I've seen SpongeBob, of course.
[00:18:18] Uh, I, I've seen the original silent film Nosferatu, but I've also seen various versions
[00:18:22] of Dracula.
[00:18:23] Right.
[00:18:23] And so for those who aren't aware, uh, Nosferatu, uh, began life as a silent film in 1922.
[00:18:28] It's an FW Murnau film.
[00:18:30] Uh, but it is just Dracula.
[00:18:32] Like legitimately just Dracula.
[00:18:34] It's just Dracula.
[00:18:35] And it's called Nosferatu because they couldn't get the rights to the book Dracula from Stoker's
[00:18:39] novel.
[00:18:40] Right.
[00:18:40] I think they sued them, right?
[00:18:41] The Stoker estate sued Nosferatu.
[00:18:43] Because it is so close to what Dracula is.
[00:18:46] Uh, and so if you watch any version of Dracula and you watch Nosferatu, you're getting the
[00:18:51] same thing.
[00:18:52] It's a, it's like all the character names are changed.
[00:18:54] I scratched out and like with, they change them a little bit, but effectively it is the
[00:18:59] same thing as if you're watching like a straight adaptation of the novel of Dracula.
[00:19:03] Right.
[00:19:04] And so if you watch like Francis Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula, you're getting the same
[00:19:07] thing as, as Nosferatu.
[00:19:08] And so there's been many, many different versions of this story over the years.
[00:19:12] And so the silent film, uh, is like the most, it's the first one that is called Nosferatu.
[00:19:17] It features those characters and stuff.
[00:19:19] Uh, there was also the Werner Herzog version, uh, which I have not seen, but you haven't
[00:19:22] talked about on this podcast, uh, back in the day with Nick, uh, which I bought the Blu-ray
[00:19:26] off of that recommendation and then never watched it.
[00:19:29] I have it somewhere.
[00:19:31] Yeah.
[00:19:31] It's so good.
[00:19:32] Yeah.
[00:19:33] But you're a huge fan of that one, right?
[00:19:35] Yeah.
[00:19:35] Yeah.
[00:19:35] And that was definitely one of the things while watching this movie a little bit.
[00:19:39] It was like, well, I, yeah, I mean it is, it is interesting.
[00:19:42] I don't know.
[00:19:43] Like, can you really, can we really criticize this version for also being the same as the
[00:19:48] other version, like one of the most iconic films of all time?
[00:19:50] I don't know.
[00:19:50] Sure.
[00:19:51] I mean, I think my, my thing with it was like, it didn't feel like it was bringing that
[00:19:54] much new to the table for Nosferatu, I guess.
[00:19:57] Yeah.
[00:19:57] Other than the, the, the kind of like, uh, neurotic period accuracy stuff, uh, that Eggers brings,
[00:20:03] which I mean, is great.
[00:20:05] Um, that's kind of the, the twist.
[00:20:07] That's the freshness that he's got.
[00:20:09] Otherwise the plot wise and stuff, it is mostly the same.
[00:20:11] I feel like it is obviously a bit more overtly sexual than other movies could have been, you
[00:20:17] know, other, other adaptations.
[00:20:18] I mean, yes.
[00:20:19] Yeah, uh, definitely.
[00:20:20] But I also think, have you seen Francis Ford Coppola's, uh, okay, that's fair.
[00:20:25] Yeah.
[00:20:25] You're right.
[00:20:26] Cause that, cause that movie is pretty overtly sexual.
[00:20:28] And also I think really like effectively stylized in a way that is more visually interesting
[00:20:32] to me.
[00:20:32] But again, I like, it's a weird thing where I think if I watched this again, I would probably
[00:20:37] like it more.
[00:20:38] It's just a weird thing where I'm like, I don't know how I felt about it right now.
[00:20:41] Maybe my expectations were too high.
[00:20:42] I need to adjust them in some certain way because it does feel like a Robert Eggers film.
[00:20:46] It feels like his other three movies.
[00:20:47] Uh, and the other three I'm huge, huge fans of.
[00:20:50] And I was a huge fan of all three of those pretty much right away.
[00:20:52] Uh, and for whatever reason, this one I kind of had to sit, I feel like I have to sit with
[00:20:56] for a while.
[00:20:57] Yeah.
[00:20:58] Yeah.
[00:20:58] I feel like also there's a little bit, uh, I was actually talked to producer Colin about
[00:21:02] this a little bit.
[00:21:02] Um, cause he felt a similar way regarding the like overt sexuality and the horniness and
[00:21:07] stuff of the movie, the way people talked about it.
[00:21:10] And then when he saw it, he was like, well, okay, it's not that great.
[00:21:13] Like, calm down.
[00:21:13] Um, you know, and I feel that way too, but it has a little bit of the same effect that,
[00:21:17] uh, long legs had, or it has to overcome that effect, uh, that the long legs like marketing
[00:21:22] where it's like this movie, the way you described it, like you'll see the face of the devil in
[00:21:26] hell, whatever, however you said it, like you'll, or you'll never see God or something.
[00:21:29] Um, and, uh, if you, when you watch this movie and, and, uh, this movie, or that was
[00:21:34] about long legs.
[00:21:35] Uh, I don't think Nosferatu quite has that level of, um, hype and marketing and stuff around
[00:21:39] it, but it has pretty high expectations, uh, maybe unreasonably high expectations.
[00:21:44] So when you're like, oh, this is solid, it's good.
[00:21:46] I'm enjoying this.
[00:21:47] This is exciting.
[00:21:48] It's scary.
[00:21:48] It's sexy.
[00:21:49] It's all this stuff, but it's not like it hasn't destroyed my life.
[00:21:52] Uh, so, so like, I guess it's fine, you know, sort of what some of us were going into it
[00:21:58] with.
[00:21:58] Uh, yeah, I think that's fair.
[00:22:00] I mean, I think you're talking about, uh, sex on film and I think that's like, you know,
[00:22:04] obviously a key factor of Nosferatu.
[00:22:06] It's that kind of psychosexual kind of nightmare aspect of it.
[00:22:09] Yeah.
[00:22:09] Which I think all works in the movie.
[00:22:11] I think it all is good, but I think the way people have been talking about it is like,
[00:22:14] man, this movie is the horniest movie I've ever seen.
[00:22:16] This is crazy.
[00:22:17] Yeah.
[00:22:18] And then you watch it and you're like, yeah, I don't know.
[00:22:19] It's, it's, it's pretty horny, I guess.
[00:22:22] Yeah.
[00:22:22] I think that sort of speaks to how like starved we are for sex on film, uh, in a kind of
[00:22:28] meaningful capacity.
[00:22:29] Cause I think anytime there is a movie that comes out that has like, that is a little bit
[00:22:33] steamy, people act like it's like the craziest thing ever.
[00:22:36] Uh, and so baby girl also just came out this weekend or this past week, which I also saw,
[00:22:40] which is a movie.
[00:22:41] It's ostensibly an erotic thriller with Nicole Kidman from the director of bodies, bodies,
[00:22:45] bodies.
[00:22:45] Uh, and I watched it and it's, it's kind of horny, I guess.
[00:22:48] I don't know.
[00:22:49] It's, it's damn you a freak, Mike.
[00:22:51] Uh, no, I know nothing about baby girl other than it's supposedly horny.
[00:22:55] So I don't know.
[00:22:56] Yeah.
[00:22:56] I mean, it's, you know, it's a weird, like the whole point of that movie is for, you know,
[00:23:00] to see Nicole Kidman in like these submissive situations and like, you know, sort of learning
[00:23:04] that about herself and all that kind of stuff.
[00:23:05] But like, I don't know, you compare it to something like the last seduction, which like
[00:23:09] that's a horny and sexy movie right there.
[00:23:10] That's a sexy movie.
[00:23:12] Yeah.
[00:23:13] You know, or, or even like challengers when that came out earlier this year, a very like,
[00:23:17] I think challenges is a very horny movie.
[00:23:19] However, there are like no sex scenes in challengers.
[00:23:21] Yeah.
[00:23:21] Actually, I feel that that also, that that is a, a surprisingly sexless erotic movie.
[00:23:27] Yeah.
[00:23:28] Uh, and so for its reputation also.
[00:23:30] Yeah.
[00:23:30] And so when you hear people talking about challengers, you're like, man, this is the sexiest movie
[00:23:33] I've seen in years.
[00:23:34] And you're watching it and it's like, everybody's clothes are still on.
[00:23:37] I don't know.
[00:23:37] I guess dude's kiss.
[00:23:38] That's yeah.
[00:23:39] Yeah.
[00:23:40] I mean, there's a lot of implied stuff, but it never like, you know, uh, and you compare
[00:23:45] that to the erotic thrillers, the eighties and nineties.
[00:23:47] Uh, and it feels so chaste in comparison is, uh, sort of what I'm saying.
[00:23:51] So, and I sort of felt that with Nosferatu a little bit where like, you know, if I'm watching
[00:23:54] Francis Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula, like that, that's a sexy movie.
[00:23:58] That werewolf threesome or whatever's going on in the garden in that one scene.
[00:24:03] Um, yeah, I don't know.
[00:24:06] I think, I think this is a very capital R romantic movie, like romantic period.
[00:24:11] Okay.
[00:24:12] I was going to say interesting.
[00:24:13] Interesting.
[00:24:13] Yeah.
[00:24:14] Um, in that way.
[00:24:16] And, uh, I don't know.
[00:24:17] It's, it's, it's, it's good.
[00:24:19] It is good.
[00:24:19] I do like, I do like, we do like this movie.
[00:24:22] That's the one thing.
[00:24:23] Yeah.
[00:24:23] I think like Gothic romance is kind of the, uh, it's in the, in the same vein as like Crimson
[00:24:27] Peak when that was, uh, coming out.
[00:24:29] Remember that movie?
[00:24:30] Yeah.
[00:24:30] I actually never saw that movie, but I remember the look of it and stuff.
[00:24:34] Yeah.
[00:24:35] It's good.
[00:24:35] I liked it.
[00:24:35] I mean, I don't think it's one of Del Toro's best, but I think it's interesting.
[00:24:38] Uh, it's, it's a good stuff.
[00:24:39] Yeah.
[00:24:40] What else about Nostraktu would you like to talk about, Mike?
[00:24:42] I think there is a really, I think there is a really interesting female hysteria thing,
[00:24:48] angle theme running through the movie.
[00:24:51] Um, uh, and about how nobody really believes Lily Rose Depp's character.
[00:24:56] Is it Eleanor?
[00:24:57] No.
[00:24:57] What's her name?
[00:24:57] What's her name?
[00:24:58] Uh, Ellen.
[00:24:58] Ellen.
[00:24:59] Oh, Ellen.
[00:24:59] Yeah.
[00:24:59] Nobody like believes her or understands or even like attempts to understand what's happening
[00:25:04] to her.
[00:25:04] It's just put her in a corset and give her ether.
[00:25:06] Like whatever, bro.
[00:25:08] Um, all these awful male doctors and stuff.
[00:25:11] Uh, and Aaron Taylor Johnson, who's just a bastard.
[00:25:14] Uh, but he's so good.
[00:25:16] I think he's great in this movie too.
[00:25:17] Oh, interesting.
[00:25:18] So I feel like I've seen a lot of discussion about his performance online.
[00:25:21] Um, yeah, I, I feel like I've seen a lot of people talking about his performance specifically
[00:25:25] saying that he's like unhinged, um, or like crazy in the movie.
[00:25:29] What?
[00:25:29] Uh, yeah, I've, I've been seeing a lot of that or like people who think he's like actively
[00:25:32] bad in it or like in a different movie than everyone else.
[00:25:34] I don't know.
[00:25:35] I watched it and it's like, I thought he was pretty good.
[00:25:36] I don't know.
[00:25:36] He's fine.
[00:25:37] Yeah.
[00:25:38] I think he's really good.
[00:25:39] Uh, that's fascinating.
[00:25:40] I mean, I guess I was going to say what he does at the end in the, in his family crypt,
[00:25:44] but like, that's not even, that doesn't even happen.
[00:25:46] What everyone is claiming happens.
[00:25:49] Um, so yeah, I think he's good.
[00:25:51] I think Nicholas holds fun.
[00:25:52] Like I said before, uh, he's just, he's in everything right now, which is exciting.
[00:25:56] Yes, he is.
[00:25:56] Have you watched a jury number two yet?
[00:25:58] I have not.
[00:25:59] Maybe I'll watch that before next week.
[00:26:01] It's really good.
[00:26:07] There's, uh, another Nicholas Holt movie that's in my top 10 right now.
[00:26:11] Oh, right.
[00:26:12] I know what you're talking about.
[00:26:13] Uh, I have not watched that one yet actually.
[00:26:15] And fucking rips, man.
[00:26:16] Maybe I should.
[00:26:16] I'll get, I'll get on that.
[00:26:17] Um, yeah, I do think this movie also does have a very fun, like kind of dry sense of humor
[00:26:22] that I think if you're not totally locked in on, you might not pick up on, like it's
[00:26:26] fairly subtle, but, uh, and it's just thinking the word subtle next to Willem Dafoe's character.
[00:26:32] It seems impossible.
[00:26:34] Well, that's a good point.
[00:26:35] Um, but, but he's outlier of the movie.
[00:26:38] Sure.
[00:26:38] Yeah.
[00:26:38] I mean, it's, it's that kind of thing that Robert Eggers often does with his films,
[00:26:41] uh, which all of which have been period movies, I guess at this point, right.
[00:26:44] All four of them.
[00:26:45] And they're often about like how awful it must've been to live in that time.
[00:26:50] I was just fucking covered in mud and shit.
[00:26:52] Everybody always was.
[00:26:53] Yes.
[00:26:54] Uh, and so there's, there's moments like just lines of dialogue and nose for actually that
[00:26:57] are funny.
[00:26:58] Um, as a result, there's a, like the moment where they talk about like, Oh, if you give
[00:27:02] her a corset, she will like, it strengthens the lungs or whatever.
[00:27:05] Like that's their understanding of like medical thing.
[00:27:08] And there was a great moment in my theater when somebody said that, like the doctor said
[00:27:13] that it might've been Dafoe or maybe it was somebody else who says that in
[00:27:15] the movie.
[00:27:16] And one guy in my theater goes, ha.
[00:27:23] Incredible.
[00:27:24] Just like one loud single laugh.
[00:27:27] Yeah.
[00:27:28] Good for that guy.
[00:27:29] You know, which, uh, was very funny.
[00:27:31] Um, but yeah.
[00:27:32] And there's moments like that throughout the movie, which, um, are, are good.
[00:27:35] The kind of, what's the word I'm looking for?
[00:27:36] Like it compares it to modern life in a funny way.
[00:27:39] Yeah.
[00:27:39] Uh, but, uh, yeah.
[00:27:41] So liked all that stuff.
[00:27:42] That kind of dry sense of humor.
[00:27:43] Again, the look of the movie is fantastic.
[00:27:45] Uh, and yeah, I mean, there's just so many shots that, uh, you know, have stuck with me
[00:27:50] because this movie does look great.
[00:27:51] Yeah.
[00:27:51] I mean the, the sequence in particular when Nicholas Holt's character reaches the like
[00:27:56] village outside count Orlok's castle.
[00:27:59] Yeah.
[00:27:59] Uh, and he like stays at that in that whole sequence is just like amazing.
[00:28:03] And it's like the snowy blizzard, foggy, can't see anything.
[00:28:08] Yes.
[00:28:08] And he enters this, this, uh, like town square with the Romani people and they're all playing
[00:28:12] the songs and dancing and freaking them out.
[00:28:14] And it's just weird and different.
[00:28:16] And that one lady, the one, the one old woman that works at the inn is like, you've, you've,
[00:28:21] you've, I forget.
[00:28:22] She's like, you're dead now.
[00:28:23] Like you've come, you've come here and it's over.
[00:28:25] Your life is over.
[00:28:26] And he's just like, I don't know what you're saying.
[00:28:27] Cause he doesn't speak their language.
[00:28:29] He doesn't speak the same language as them.
[00:28:31] Uh, just that whole nightmare sequence.
[00:28:33] Like, I mean the whole sequence that when he's at the castle is just like incredible.
[00:28:36] That, that looks so good.
[00:28:38] Uh, with the count and, and the, uh, use of shadow to just completely obscure the count for
[00:28:43] most of the movie, uh, or the sequence in particular.
[00:28:46] And he's like, just, just out of frame.
[00:28:48] Like you kind of really only see like his shoulder and arm and, and, and like just his presence
[00:28:52] is enough.
[00:28:53] Um, yeah.
[00:28:53] Kind of thing.
[00:28:54] The movies, baby.
[00:28:55] Yes.
[00:28:55] All that stuff is great.
[00:28:56] Uh, there's a moment, uh, which I think is lifted directly from the silent film, but,
[00:28:59] uh, the moment where you see like kind of a shadow of the hand kind of floating
[00:29:03] above the entire city.
[00:29:04] Right.
[00:29:04] I don't know if it's in the city, but there, the, the shadows projecting and like opening
[00:29:09] doors up, up staircases and like, yeah, that's all from the original.
[00:29:13] Right.
[00:29:14] That, that like overhead shot of like the shadow of the hand.
[00:29:16] Yeah.
[00:29:16] Yeah.
[00:29:17] No, it's really cool.
[00:29:18] Uh, and so yeah, it does pay homage to the original in interesting ways.
[00:29:21] Actually.
[00:29:21] I mean, I think there are, it's been a long time since I've seen the original, but I think
[00:29:24] there are a lot of shots that are just like directly taken from the original silent film.
[00:29:28] Makes sense.
[00:29:28] You know, it's funny.
[00:29:29] I was thinking about in comparison to, to the lighthouse and the sort of production of
[00:29:34] that film and how much they were, went to like great lengths to use like lenses or cameras
[00:29:39] or shit from the period.
[00:29:41] Like, and like, uh, when, or that would have existed at the time, right.
[00:29:44] And all that stuff.
[00:29:45] And, and to frame it in almost four or three or whatever, whatever aspect ratio it was.
[00:29:50] Uh, it's like all that attention to, to like cinematic history around the lighthouse
[00:29:54] and, uh, just none of that going on for one of those iconic films from the twenties, you
[00:29:59] know?
[00:30:00] Um, yeah, but, uh, but it is, yeah, it is, it is exciting.
[00:30:03] It was exciting when you're like, can do the Leo point.
[00:30:05] You're like, Oh, that's the, that's the thing they're doing it.
[00:30:07] That's the thing.
[00:30:07] Yeah, absolutely.
[00:30:09] Uh, yeah.
[00:30:09] And I do think, uh, like the back half of the movie, um, like, uh, I think the first
[00:30:13] half is very much meant to, like to build that atmosphere.
[00:30:15] It's like getting creeped out, all that kind of stuff.
[00:30:18] And then the back half kind of turns into like a rollicking adventure.
[00:30:20] Once the, once like the boys are together, it's just like, let's go.
[00:30:23] When I think it's after Aaron Taylor Johnson's wife dies.
[00:30:26] Um, and it's like the, the five of it's like Willem Dafoe, Lily Rose Depp, Nicholas Holt,
[00:30:31] Aaron Taylor Johnson, and I think Ralph Innocent maybe?
[00:30:34] And Ralph Innocent, yeah.
[00:30:34] And Ralph Innocent, uh, they're all like in the carriage together and they're like plotting
[00:30:37] their moves.
[00:30:38] It's like, all right, we got a movie baby.
[00:30:41] Yeah.
[00:30:42] Very exciting stuff.
[00:30:43] Um, and I liked it a lot.
[00:30:45] Yes.
[00:30:45] Uh, and I love that like, uh, you know, Dafoe is like well aware that like Lily Rose Depp is
[00:30:49] the one that like has to be the bait for Count Orlok.
[00:30:52] Like she has to sort of sacrifice herself in a weird way.
[00:30:55] Right.
[00:30:55] She has to willingly give herself to the, yeah.
[00:30:58] Right.
[00:30:58] And, uh, so she like ultimately will die, but it will like end the plague of Count Orlok
[00:31:03] and like, it will save everyone else.
[00:31:05] Yeah.
[00:31:05] Once the plague starts, the movie's like, let's go.
[00:31:07] Yes.
[00:31:08] Yeah.
[00:31:08] Uh, and so that all of that is happening and this is all kept from Nicholas Holt.
[00:31:12] Uh, so he doesn't really know about it.
[00:31:14] And like Willem Dafoe sort of leads him on a wild goose chase to Orlok's castle where he
[00:31:18] knows he's not going to be because he's off being with Lily Rose Depp.
[00:31:21] Uh, yeah, no, it's, uh, it's all, it's all really effective.
[00:31:24] Like all that stuff really works.
[00:31:25] Yeah.
[00:31:25] He, the guy that is the like Orlok servant that's like, uh, driven insane.
[00:31:32] And like that, that guy, um, yes, that runs the real estate company that sends Nicholas
[00:31:37] Holt.
[00:31:37] Like that, that guy's performance is so good.
[00:31:39] Uh, that actor Simon McBurney.
[00:31:42] Yeah.
[00:31:42] He's wonderful.
[00:31:43] He's so good.
[00:31:43] And I think it was, he, is he in one of the mission impossibles?
[00:31:47] Yeah.
[00:31:47] Uh, he is in rogue nation.
[00:31:48] Actually.
[00:31:49] Yes.
[00:31:49] Yeah.
[00:31:50] You got it.
[00:31:50] Uh, he's also in, uh, Harry Potter, uh, Harry Potter, Deathly Hallows part one playing
[00:31:54] somebody.
[00:31:54] Yeah.
[00:31:54] He plays director Atlee in rogue nation.
[00:31:56] Yes.
[00:31:57] Right.
[00:31:57] Oh, and he's the voice of creature.
[00:31:58] The, uh, the other house elf in Harry Potter and Deathly Hallows.
[00:32:01] The incredible, but yeah, no, he, he's really fantastic in it.
[00:32:06] He's the, like the Renfield character in the, in the movie.
[00:32:08] Yes.
[00:32:09] Yeah.
[00:32:09] That's exactly what I was, I couldn't remember the characters cause it's all legally distinct
[00:32:12] IP, you know, which it's very funny to like, it's sort of funny to make a Nosferatu
[00:32:17] movie now because like Dracula has been in the public domain for a long time.
[00:32:21] You could just do Dracula.
[00:32:23] Yeah.
[00:32:23] Yeah.
[00:32:23] If you wanted to, uh, but Nosferatu has its own place in film history now as like a weird
[00:32:28] legally distinct from Dracula kind of thing.
[00:32:30] Yeah.
[00:32:30] I mean, and also Nicholas Holt was in Renfield, right?
[00:32:33] Yes.
[00:32:33] He's, he's Renfield.
[00:32:34] He was Renfield.
[00:32:35] Yeah.
[00:32:36] Yes.
[00:32:36] Uh, so that's fun.
[00:32:37] Yes.
[00:32:37] I didn't even think about that, but that's, that's wild.
[00:32:39] They should have brought Cage back.
[00:32:41] I don't know.
[00:32:41] Should have brought Cage back.
[00:32:42] Yeah.
[00:32:42] Um, but I think the, the cut within the first like five minutes or whatever, when it's,
[00:32:48] uh, it cuts to, uh, it's Holt, I think is leaving, leaving when he's leaving on his
[00:32:53] horse or whatever to go on his journey to the, to the count's castle.
[00:32:56] And it just cuts to that guy covered in, or sitting in like a blood circle surrounded
[00:33:01] by candles, like, or like scraping sacred scripture into his arm or whatever he's doing.
[00:33:07] And it's just like, the movies are back.
[00:33:08] Yes.
[00:33:10] Absolutely.
[00:33:11] Uh, and yeah, we, uh, and Lily Rose Depp gives a really fantastic performance and has
[00:33:15] like a couple, a couple of scenes.
[00:33:16] I mean, there's the possession scene where she's like floating in the bed, which is really,
[00:33:20] really cool.
[00:33:21] And there's also this other scene.
[00:33:22] I mean, I think what I like about the character is for a very long time, you don't know where
[00:33:26] she's going to go.
[00:33:27] Like what, like what that character is going to be doing because she starts off the movie
[00:33:30] and she is this like, you know, pure woman who is, you know, married to Nicholas Holt
[00:33:34] and she sort of gets a taste of like, you know, would you, would that like to live deliciously
[00:33:38] to quote another Robert Eggers movie?
[00:33:40] Right.
[00:33:40] And so she gets a taste of what it would be like to be with Count Orlok.
[00:33:42] And, uh, she's given like three days to sort of make up her mind, like whether she's going
[00:33:46] to succumb to him, uh, or stay with her husband.
[00:33:49] And you don't know what she's going to do for the whole movie.
[00:33:52] And she's kind of going back and forth.
[00:33:53] And a lot of stuff is happening in the movie that's sort of happening in visions.
[00:33:56] You don't really know what's real and what's not.
[00:33:58] Uh, and there's this whole scene where she is sort of taunting Nicholas Holt, um, being,
[00:34:03] being like, you could, you could never love me the way he can, that kind of thing.
[00:34:07] And so it's sort of like an aggressive sex scene between the two of them.
[00:34:10] And it's really, really terrific.
[00:34:11] It's just really intense and wild and weird.
[00:34:12] And I like that a lot.
[00:34:13] Yeah.
[00:34:14] That seems incredible.
[00:34:15] Yeah.
[00:34:15] Cause she knows Orlok is watching them.
[00:34:17] So she like fights Nicholas Holt into having sex with her.
[00:34:20] Right.
[00:34:20] Yes.
[00:34:21] Basically.
[00:34:21] Um, and it's really great.
[00:34:23] I love the, the sort of, um, like implied history going on with her about like, you
[00:34:28] see that, that scene at the very beginning when she's like younger or whatever, and she
[00:34:31] like goes out to the garden or whatever, whatever, you know, answers his call basically.
[00:34:35] Uh, and then it's just cuts and we have no idea how much time has passed.
[00:34:39] Uh, and she, uh, explains later, I think that it like, it happened for years that they would
[00:34:43] have this like a long distance, whatever call relationship thing, you know, this psychosexual
[00:34:49] nightmare sex or whatever they were having, uh, which is why Orlok thinks, oh, quote unquote,
[00:34:56] thinks, you know, uh, like, Oh yeah, she's down.
[00:34:58] Whatever.
[00:34:58] Like, like from his point of view, he's just going to meet up with his long distance girlfriend,
[00:35:03] you know, it's so funny.
[00:35:06] Yeah.
[00:35:07] I think that makes sense.
[00:35:07] It makes sense.
[00:35:08] I like that.
[00:35:09] Yeah.
[00:35:09] I like it.
[00:35:09] Yeah.
[00:35:11] But, uh, but you, you don't see any of that is what I was getting at it.
[00:35:13] And I think that that makes the kind of like mystery of like what's going on and why is
[00:35:17] this happening to her exciting and interesting.
[00:35:19] Yeah.
[00:35:20] And then you start to learn that like, Oh, she has like some kind of like, you know,
[00:35:23] communication, this tele, this telepathic sort of thing that she can commune with the
[00:35:26] dead.
[00:35:26] And, uh, you're learning a lot more about her character as the movie goes on.
[00:35:28] And Willem Dafoe is very fascinated by all that.
[00:35:31] Right.
[00:35:31] Uh, and yeah, like I said, Willem Dafoe, man, it's unbelievable in this.
[00:35:34] He rules.
[00:35:35] It's just like, it's, it's exactly what you expect Willem Dafoe to be doing in a movie
[00:35:39] like this for out to, right?
[00:35:41] Yeah.
[00:35:41] It's also like, what wasn't his character in the Northman, like the Oracle guy?
[00:35:46] Yes, I think so.
[00:35:47] Yeah.
[00:35:47] I mean, he's a little more feral in that movie, obviously.
[00:35:49] Uh, but yeah, I love that.
[00:35:51] He's always just, just kind of just like weird occult guy.
[00:35:54] Yes.
[00:35:54] I love that.
[00:35:55] Uh, he and Eggers seem to have like found each other on it.
[00:35:57] Like he's, he's like Eggers is muse or whatever, but like, of course he was in the lighthouse
[00:36:01] and, uh, should have won the Oscar for the lighthouse.
[00:36:04] Honestly, he's fantastic in that movie.
[00:36:05] But, uh, yeah, it was in the lighthouse, it was in the Northman, it was in this, uh, I
[00:36:08] believe Eggers has said that like his next two movies both have roles written for Willem
[00:36:12] Dafoe.
[00:36:13] So that's good.
[00:36:14] I'm excited about that.
[00:36:15] I did see somebody like quote tweet that and it was like, excuse me, sir, what about your
[00:36:20] daughter?
[00:36:20] And it was a picture of Andy Taylor.
[00:36:21] Uh, which would be great.
[00:36:25] Um, so hopefully she comes back to the, to the Eggers first.
[00:36:27] Yes.
[00:36:28] To the family.
[00:36:29] To the family.
[00:36:30] To the family.
[00:36:31] Um, yeah.
[00:36:32] In that, uh, in that conversation with, uh, Dafoe and Eggers, Eggers talks about watching,
[00:36:37] uh, the last temptation of Christ, uh, at like, I think he said like six or something
[00:36:41] like that.
[00:36:42] And Willem Dafoe was like, what is wrong with you?
[00:36:44] Like he was like genuinely concerned for a second.
[00:36:47] He's like, where were your parents?
[00:36:49] What does it happen?
[00:36:50] Did they think it was like a more uplifting movie than it is?
[00:36:53] Yeah.
[00:36:53] Yeah.
[00:36:54] So it was pretty funny.
[00:36:55] So he was talking about how exciting it is that they get to like work together all the
[00:36:57] time now.
[00:36:58] Cause he's like the first actor he remembers seeing and stuff.
[00:37:01] So that's cool.
[00:37:02] Yeah, absolutely.
[00:37:03] All right.
[00:37:04] Anything else about Nosferatu you want to throw out there, Mike?
[00:37:06] Anything that we haven't covered yet?
[00:37:08] Not that I can really think of is in terms of like a specific moment or scene or anything,
[00:37:11] but like I said, yeah, it's just exciting that this is like a success.
[00:37:15] Cause I feel like there's, there, there could have been potential for this to just be like
[00:37:18] awful.
[00:37:19] You know, I don't know if, I don't know if Eggers would make like a bad movie, but yeah,
[00:37:23] I mean, I've liked everything he's made and I don't think it would have been bad necessarily.
[00:37:27] Yeah.
[00:37:27] But yeah, it's, it's cool that audiences are kind of latching onto one of his movies for
[00:37:30] once.
[00:37:30] That's what I'm, maybe that's what I mean.
[00:37:32] Yeah.
[00:37:32] Yeah.
[00:37:32] This kind of remake of a, you know, a hundred year plus year old movie.
[00:37:36] Yeah.
[00:37:36] 102 years old now.
[00:37:37] Yeah, exactly.
[00:37:38] Yeah.
[00:37:38] It's a box office success in the year of our Lord 2025, I guess.
[00:37:45] Yeah, no, absolutely.
[00:37:46] I think this is a, it's a really, I liked the movie a lot.
[00:37:49] I wish I liked it more.
[00:37:52] But I wonder how much of that, like how much of my like reservations about it will go away
[00:37:57] on a second viewing.
[00:37:58] Yeah.
[00:37:58] When I get around to watching again, I've actually, all of his movies have only ever seen once.
[00:38:02] And I was kind of going through and the witch and the, and the Northman were both of my top
[00:38:06] five for their respective years.
[00:38:07] The lighthouse was like outside of my 10, but I did, it was in my 20 somewhere.
[00:38:12] And this is like, you know, kind of, it's further down the list a little bit.
[00:38:16] But, but again, it's good.
[00:38:17] I liked it quite a bit and I think it'll only improve with time.
[00:38:21] I just kind of, I don't know what it is that like kept, kept me at a distance from it.
[00:38:25] But I was kept at a distance.
[00:38:27] Yeah.
[00:38:27] I mean, I think the movie is cold, like literally, like literally.
[00:38:31] That's true.
[00:38:31] Yeah.
[00:38:32] And like also like emotionally and thematically.
[00:38:33] So, you know, there's a distance to it that, um, you know, maybe kept us away, kept us at
[00:38:39] bay, uh, at arm's length for the first viewing.
[00:38:41] And also people talking in a theater and being, uh, examples of the end of society, uh, made
[00:38:47] me pretty mad.
[00:38:47] So without all that stuff, uh, maybe I'll like it more.
[00:38:51] Fair enough.
[00:38:52] Yeah.
[00:38:52] No, that's definitely a possibility.
[00:38:55] Uh, so yeah, Nosferatu, uh, it is out in theaters right now.
[00:38:57] Um, I think, uh, absolutely, absolutely worth seeing.
[00:39:00] It's, uh, you know, it looks great.
[00:39:01] It's a new Edgar's movie.
[00:39:02] Uh, I do think it's his weakest film, but still very good.
[00:39:05] It's, it's good stuff.
[00:39:06] Yeah.
[00:39:07] Yeah, absolutely.
[00:39:08] All right.
[00:39:08] Uh, so I think that's going to wrap things up, uh, for this week on the podcast, Mike,
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[00:39:13] You can find me at MD film blog on Twitter and letterboxed and blue sky.
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[00:39:31] Uh, if you listened to the diehard episode, you heard us talk about, uh, Muppet Christmas
[00:39:35] Carol, a whole bunch on the diehard episode.
[00:39:38] It was the season.
[00:39:39] It was the season.
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[00:39:57] I believe this is also the first time somebody has made the donation to make us do a let's
[00:40:01] rank.
[00:40:01] True.
[00:40:02] I think you're right.
[00:40:02] I think every other time it's been watch this one movie, uh, this person's getting their
[00:40:06] money's worth.
[00:40:06] Uh, they are, they, they found the loophole to get us to watch eight movies.
[00:40:13] Maybe we should make a structured tier.
[00:40:15] Oh, I see.
[00:40:17] Interesting idea.
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