Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga (Guest: Nick Wermuth)

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[00:00:41] I'm Mike Smith and joining me as always is a crazy schmeghooey schlanger

[00:00:46] Mike Tecriccio

[00:00:47] How are you doing today, Mike?

[00:00:48] I'm doing great

[00:00:49] Interesting what movie you choose to quote, I guess

[00:00:52] Well, I guess it would be impressive if you remembered quotes from Furiosa already

[00:00:57] There's definitely a couple of quotes from Furiosa that are like, oh yeah, I remember this and stuff

[00:01:01] But you know, it's only been out for a weekend

[00:01:04] It's tough to beat the iconic quotes from this movie from nine years ago

[00:01:08] That everyone's been revering for that entire amount of time

[00:01:11] It's also the only words in the movie so I get it

[00:01:14] They stand out a lot in Fury Road

[00:01:16] That's true

[00:01:17] Also joining us today, returning guest of the show

[00:01:20] Someone who will ride eternal shiny and chrome into the gates of Valhalla

[00:01:24] Nick Wermuth, welcome back to the podcast

[00:01:26] Thank you for having me

[00:01:27] I was expecting you to refer to me as piss boy or something

[00:01:30] So this is an honor

[00:01:32] There's a lot of options for just henchmen names you could have picked

[00:01:37] Scrotus and erectus

[00:01:41] Thanks for joining Nick, what's been going on?

[00:01:43] When was the last time you were on?

[00:01:44] Was it our Godzilla minus one year end episode?

[00:01:47] Yeah, I think it was that and then the best of

[00:01:50] When I did the clip for Dune because I couldn't be on for that one

[00:01:54] Oh right

[00:01:55] Still got that popcorn bucket behind me

[00:01:57] I've yet to put food in it because it doesn't seem worth it

[00:02:02] Yes, I appreciate you giving your review of the Dune popcorn bucket

[00:02:05] Because it does seem a hassle

[00:02:07] It doesn't seem like a good product

[00:02:09] I don't have large hands but the fact that my fist barely fits into it

[00:02:13] And my fingers are completely connected to each other is insane

[00:02:17] Yes, also it seems strange that there wasn't a Furiosa popcorn bucket

[00:02:20] Feels like they should have done one

[00:02:22] Yeah, make it a little steering wheel or something

[00:02:24] Perfect, yeah, absolutely

[00:02:27] Just a two scale war rig

[00:02:30] You just have to tip up and pour popcorn in your mouth

[00:02:35] Yes, I like it

[00:02:36] Nick, what's been going on in your life since we last saw you on the podcast?

[00:02:40] Seen some good movies, seen some bad movies

[00:02:43] I don't know

[00:02:44] I feel like the writer's strike stuff is starting to kick in

[00:02:47] Where I don't have any idea what to look forward to anymore

[00:02:50] Sure

[00:02:51] But I don't know, things are still going well

[00:02:53] Did you do digital Sundance this year?

[00:02:55] That happened already? I don't know what time is anymore

[00:02:57] That was back in January

[00:02:59] I did digital Sundance this year

[00:03:00] Nick, I don't think Nick did it this year

[00:03:02] I did not

[00:03:03] Ever since they did that pullback from you could just see anything

[00:03:07] It didn't fully seem worth it

[00:03:09] Also my job didn't pay for it

[00:03:12] That's my biggest hesitation

[00:03:14] Fair enough

[00:03:15] And when we were doing it, it really felt like

[00:03:17] Oh man, we're missing out on so many movies because they're not available online

[00:03:22] And there was a ton of Sundance movies like I saw the TV glow for example

[00:03:25] Which was playing at Sundance but was not available digitally

[00:03:28] For those of us doing the virtual festival which was kind of a bummer

[00:03:31] However, I have seen I saw the TV glow now and I recommend

[00:03:34] It's really good

[00:03:35] Have either of you guys seen it yet?

[00:03:36] Not yet

[00:03:37] Okay, real good

[00:03:38] Yeah, very, very good

[00:03:39] Check that out

[00:03:40] But yeah, Nick, thank you for joining us for the podcast

[00:03:42] We kind of put out an invite to a lot of our frequent guests here on the show

[00:03:46] Because today we're just going to be talking about Furiosa

[00:03:49] It's time

[00:03:50] We tried to assemble our own wasteland war council

[00:03:53] And only Nick heeded the call

[00:03:56] Just like Mad Max, we are at a deficit of resources

[00:04:01] Yes

[00:04:02] This is true

[00:04:03] We almost had Vin Craig on the show

[00:04:05] There was a question about whether or not he had a broken microphone though

[00:04:08] And so at the time like we were about to start recording

[00:04:11] And I was like where's Vin?

[00:04:12] No idea

[00:04:13] We have no idea

[00:04:16] Vin will be on the show at some point I'm sure

[00:04:18] Producer Colin was also almost going to be on it and didn't get the chance to be

[00:04:21] But Nick we're glad you're here because you're a huge fan of Mad Max Fury Road if I'm correct

[00:04:26] I mean generally most people are

[00:04:28] It's generally regarded as a hugely successful

[00:04:30] Like a huge influential beloved film

[00:04:33] But I know you've got a big poster of Mad Max Fury Road hanging in your apartment

[00:04:36] So I feel like it's safe to say you're a big fan of that movie

[00:04:39] No, I just love posters

[00:04:41] It's a cool poster

[00:04:43] No, I saw Fury Road I think five or six times in theaters

[00:04:47] And every time I throw it on I'm like maybe it's not going to be as good as I think it is

[00:04:51] And I'm wrong, it still holds up

[00:04:54] Awesome

[00:04:55] Yeah, love to hear that

[00:04:56] So we're going to dive into all of our feelings about Fury Road and the Mad Max saga in general

[00:05:01] I guess saga is the word because that's used in the title for this movie

[00:05:04] That's what the mark for marketing came up with that

[00:05:07] But yeah we're going to get into all of the our thoughts on all the Mad Maxes

[00:05:10] And specifically our thoughts on the new film in the series Furiosa

[00:05:14] In just a minute once I play the trailer for Furiosa

[00:05:17] Which is right now

[00:05:18] Nice, great segue

[00:05:20] Just unbelievable segue work

[00:05:22] Whatever you have to do

[00:05:23] We'll be lost without you

[00:05:25] However long it takes

[00:05:26] Promise me you'll find your way home

[00:05:31] Furiosa

[00:05:37] Give me this promise

[00:05:38] Furiosa

[00:05:45] Give me this promise

[00:06:15] Light the engines

[00:06:18] Start your engines

[00:06:21] I'm Furiosa

[00:07:04] The darkest of angels

[00:07:08] The question is

[00:07:17] Do you have it in you to make it epic?

[00:07:23] Alright that was from the trailer for Furiosa

[00:07:36] A Mad Max Saga

[00:07:38] Directed by George Miller

[00:07:39] Starring Anya Taylor-Joy

[00:07:40] Chris Hemsworth

[00:07:41] Tom Burke

[00:07:42] And more

[00:07:43] So Nick we're going to start with you

[00:07:45] I'd like to get your thoughts on the Mad Max series in general

[00:07:48] And how excited you were about Furiosa

[00:07:50] The prospect of a prequel to Mad Max Fury Road

[00:07:53] And ultimately what did you think of this movie?

[00:07:55] Okay well just to start off I would say

[00:07:58] I think like the Mad Max movies at least to me are like synonymous with like

[00:08:02] When I first got HBO and like G4

[00:08:05] Like I feel like Beyond Thunderdome and Road Warrior were on nearly constantly

[00:08:09] So I think it's safe to say I've seen Road Warrior at least a hundred times

[00:08:14] And Beyond Thunderdome at least the first half

[00:08:17] Close to that

[00:08:19] But they're a franchise I have a lot of reverence for

[00:08:22] I've probably only seen the first one like two or three times total

[00:08:25] Because that's like the less

[00:08:27] Not less exciting but I feel like

[00:08:29] There's a glimpse of humanity which almost grounds it and you don't want that

[00:08:34] It's a very different movie from what the series would become

[00:08:38] Just in the Road Warrior and the next one

[00:08:40] Yeah it's just road exploitation

[00:08:42] But like there at least like there's cops and robbers and he has a family

[00:08:45] And the second you can just separate that

[00:08:47] And there's just dudes flying bicycles with helicopter blades in the sky

[00:08:51] That's more my speed

[00:08:53] And then just going into Fury Road

[00:08:57] Obviously it had been 30 years

[00:08:59] I was like alright George Miller is back

[00:09:01] Like I'm sure it won't be bad

[00:09:03] And then I distinctly remember I was graduating community college

[00:09:06] And I was frequently just checking Rotten Tomatoes scores whenever those would post

[00:09:10] And I was like oh this is a hundred

[00:09:12] And I was like oh but it has a hundred

[00:09:14] But the average rating is like a nine

[00:09:16] And I just kept watching as the score didn't budge for days and days and days and days

[00:09:21] Until I finally got the chance to see the movie

[00:09:23] And as I said previously fucking rocks

[00:09:26] I don't know

[00:09:28] Like All Gas No Breaks pardon the pun

[00:09:31] And yeah that movie has just stayed in my esteem for nine years at this point

[00:09:36] And I would be remiss to not call it probably one of the best movies of the 21st century

[00:09:41] If not the best

[00:09:43] Which maybe is too high praise and maybe got my expectations a little bit too high for Furiosa

[00:09:48] Oh preview

[00:09:50] But yeah let's just say I like all of the movies leading up to this

[00:09:55] And Furiosa I think is a good entry

[00:09:58] And I'll leave it at that for now

[00:10:00] Okay fair enough

[00:10:02] Mike D your general thoughts on the Mad Max series

[00:10:05] Your relationship to Fury Road

[00:10:07] Which we've covered you know Mad Max Fury Road we saw together for the first time

[00:10:11] I think you were seeing it for the second time

[00:10:13] And I was seeing it for the first time when it came out

[00:10:15] That sounds familiar

[00:10:17] And I remember very specifically I saw Mad Max Fury Road the day before I left Albany New York

[00:10:23] Yes I remember that yeah

[00:10:25] You know I had graduated college a couple of weeks earlier

[00:10:28] And hadn't gotten to see it opening weekend because of all that hectic stuff around graduation and stuff

[00:10:33] But yeah the day before I left Albany and was moving back home to Poughkeepsie

[00:10:37] Me and you and my roommate we all went to go see Mad Max Fury Road together

[00:10:41] You had already seen it and we got pulled over on the way home

[00:10:45] That's right

[00:10:47] Partially because cops in Albany are dicks

[00:10:49] But I think also partially because I was so revved up from Fury Road

[00:10:53] I may have been speeding a little bit

[00:10:55] You blew that stop sign and you're like no I didn't

[00:10:57] There is no stop signs in the wasteland

[00:11:00] And then I sprayed paint to my mouth and drove off

[00:11:04] Yeah exactly

[00:11:06] But yeah so I remember very simply seeing that movie with you

[00:11:09] I actually went back earlier today and tried to listen to our original review of Mad Max Fury Road

[00:11:15] Because that was episode 9 of film book cast back in the day

[00:11:18] God damn

[00:11:20] And I listened to maybe like 2 minutes of that podcast kind of scattered throughout

[00:11:23] Because man it is rough to listen to those ones

[00:11:26] We didn't know what we were doing yet

[00:11:29] Yeah but it's really funny listening to that one because it starts with an announcement

[00:11:33] That we're about to start the Complete Works

[00:11:35] Incredible

[00:11:37] Announcing the Complete Works and Nicolas Cage and all that kind of stuff

[00:11:40] And yeah we were both pretty high on Mad Max Fury Road at that time

[00:11:44] We also reviewed it again like 2 years ago when we did an episode surrounding the Blood, Sweat and Chrome book

[00:11:49] Yes

[00:11:51] So I got to interview Kyle Buchanan who wrote that book for a quick 9 minute interview

[00:11:56] And then the two of us just talked about Fury Road again for another hour

[00:11:59] And so yeah it's a movie that we've both referenced and have been obsessed with over the years

[00:12:03] But just in general what's your take on the rest of the Mad Max series?

[00:12:07] I mean the Mad Max series is not really a franchise I'm particularly nostalgic for

[00:12:12] Like the original trilogy

[00:12:14] I mean they're cool I've seen them

[00:12:16] But I don't know if I've ever actually

[00:12:18] I mean I've definitely seen Road Warrior for real

[00:12:22] But I don't know if I've ever seen a non TNT version of Thunderdome

[00:12:28] Or even maybe the first one

[00:12:29] I don't even know if that would have been airing on TNT or something

[00:12:32] But I feel like that's the kind of situation where I've seen those other movies

[00:12:36] I've never really felt the need to seat them out and actually watch them

[00:12:40] Even though I know their rule it'd be fun

[00:12:43] It'd be a fun time

[00:12:44] So yeah I don't know I don't have a particular affinity to them

[00:12:48] But Fury Road of course is incredible

[00:12:51] I don't know if I'd go as far as what Nick was saying

[00:12:55] Best movie ever of the century so far

[00:12:59] But it's definitely up there

[00:13:01] It's got to be in the conversation

[00:13:03] So that's very fun

[00:13:04] And it was crazy to be a part of that

[00:13:07] To be around when a movie like that came out

[00:13:11] We always talk about how cool it would have been to see Jaws for the first time

[00:13:15] Or The Godfather or whatever

[00:13:17] One of those tent pole movies

[00:13:19] But I was there for Fury Road

[00:13:21] So hopefully we'll be talking about that in those terms in 40 years or whatever

[00:13:27] And it's great

[00:13:28] I've watched it a handful of times here and there

[00:13:30] I remember one time with producer Colin at his apartment

[00:13:33] We used to do boys weekends

[00:13:35] We would play board games and get drunk

[00:13:37] And it was like Saturday or Sunday morning

[00:13:40] We were all super hungover

[00:13:42] And a couple people hadn't seen Fury Road yet

[00:13:45] I guess it was out on DVD by then

[00:13:47] Because we were able to rent it or find it

[00:13:49] Or on VOD or whatever

[00:13:50] So we were like, I don't know it's 11am

[00:13:52] Let's watch Fury Road

[00:13:53] And it ruled

[00:13:54] And we were all hungover

[00:13:56] And it still was so much fun and so exciting

[00:13:58] So a big fan of that movie of course

[00:14:00] Going into Fury Road

[00:14:01] I wasn't sure if...

[00:14:03] Of course I wanted it

[00:14:05] It's a new man Max

[00:14:06] It's got all the stuff

[00:14:08] But I was also scared

[00:14:09] Because what if it's not that good?

[00:14:12] What if though?

[00:14:13] And I think my initial reaction is

[00:14:15] This is incredible

[00:14:17] It's not as good as Fury Road

[00:14:18] But what would be?

[00:14:19] That's an insane expectation to have

[00:14:22] But it is awesome

[00:14:24] It's a lot of fun

[00:14:25] It delivers on the cool action stuff

[00:14:26] But it does do a lot of the prequel things

[00:14:30] It's not as bad

[00:14:31] This is a hyperbole

[00:14:33] But it has some Han Solo qualities to it

[00:14:38] It never goes that awful

[00:14:40] Like it does in Solo

[00:14:41] But I maybe think of that a couple times

[00:14:43] During the movie

[00:14:44] And I was like, this is a bad feeling to have

[00:14:45] I don't like that

[00:14:46] I don't like this

[00:14:48] But I think ultimately positive

[00:14:50] Very fun

[00:14:52] Good time

[00:14:53] Good time at the movies

[00:14:54] But with some asterisks

[00:14:56] And I think upon further rewatches

[00:14:58] This movie will either grow really highly in my estimation

[00:15:01] Or I'll confirm all those things

[00:15:03] And it'll plummet

[00:15:04] So I'm very scared

[00:15:06] It feels weird to be mixed on Furiosa

[00:15:08] But I'm not really mixed

[00:15:09] It's positive

[00:15:11] I enjoyed it

[00:15:12] I rated it 4 stars

[00:15:13] It was great

[00:15:14] But also, what about Fury Road though?

[00:15:16] It's hard to avoid that

[00:15:18] That is the weird thing about it

[00:15:20] Is that you can't talk about Furiosa

[00:15:22] Without talking about Fury Road

[00:15:24] It is very much of a piece with that movie

[00:15:26] To the degree that when they were making Fury Road

[00:15:28] They also had written the script for Furiosa

[00:15:30] They had written out both of those movies

[00:15:33] And originally wanted to shoot them back to back with each other

[00:15:36] But then Fury Road just took so long to make

[00:15:39] That they did not get the chance to do that

[00:15:41] But that was the plan at one point

[00:15:44] And so I think watching Furiosa now

[00:15:47] It does feel like oddly

[00:15:49] It does feel prequely

[00:15:50] It is a prequel

[00:15:52] And it's showing you how certain things got to the way they are

[00:15:54] In Mad Max Fury Road

[00:15:56] I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing

[00:15:58] But it does recall some of that prequely stuff

[00:16:01] From Solo of Star Wars Story

[00:16:03] And other prequels of that kind of movie

[00:16:05] But I'll just say for myself

[00:16:07] As far as the Mad Max series goes

[00:16:09] Obviously Mad Max Fury Road staple

[00:16:11] Like A plus tent pole of the genre

[00:16:13] It's wow that we got to live at the same time

[00:16:15] That Mad Max Fury Road exists

[00:16:17] Great movie

[00:16:18] I think the other three I also like

[00:16:20] I like all three of them

[00:16:21] I like Road Warrior the best out of those three

[00:16:23] Which I think is a pretty common opinion

[00:16:25] The first one I think is a really cool

[00:16:28] Exploitation movie from the 70s

[00:16:30] That is just so divorced from everything else that this series does

[00:16:34] But has some really cool car stunts and all that kind of stuff

[00:16:37] Road Warrior is Fury Road light almost

[00:16:39] It feels like it's what he's doing in Fury Road

[00:16:42] But like 30 years prior

[00:16:44] And I actually just watched Beyond Thunderdome for the first time

[00:16:47] Leading into Furiosa at Mad Max Saga

[00:16:49] I was like hey I should watch the one Mad Max movie I haven't seen yet

[00:16:52] And yeah first half of Thunderdome

[00:16:54] Great, anything inside the Thunderdome?

[00:16:56] Incredible

[00:16:57] I love the Thunderdome in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome

[00:17:01] To the degree when

[00:17:03] Whenever the Thunderdome is not on screen

[00:17:05] Everybody should be asking where the Thunderdome is

[00:17:07] Let's get back into the Thunderdome

[00:17:09] Unfortunately they must go beyond it

[00:17:11] Unfortunately they go beyond the Thunderdome

[00:17:14] You're right Nick

[00:17:15] And then it becomes you know

[00:17:17] I mean it's a weird one because it's the only PG-13 Mad Max movie

[00:17:20] And everything else is rated R

[00:17:22] And so this one has like a whole subplot where

[00:17:24] Max becomes the savior to a group of kids

[00:17:27] And the kids are pretty annoying

[00:17:28] But the first half in the Thunderdome is really cool

[00:17:30] And there was a great chase at the end of the movie

[00:17:32] Which is fun

[00:17:33] But then yeah, then there was 30 years in between those movies and Mad Max Fury Road

[00:17:37] And in that time

[00:17:38] Like when Fury Road was coming out

[00:17:40] I was kind of excited about it

[00:17:41] Like I wasn't like a big Mad Max guy

[00:17:44] And I really knew George Miller as like at that point

[00:17:47] He made the Happy Feet movies

[00:17:48] He made B.A.V.E. and B.A.V.E. Pig in the City

[00:17:50] Like it was

[00:17:51] It felt like such a revelation that he was coming back to Mad Max Fury Road

[00:17:54] And that it was this good and so wild and insane

[00:17:57] And such a perfect movie

[00:17:58] And then he spent the next several years not making anything

[00:18:01] Because he was stuck in like sort of development hell

[00:18:03] And litigation with Warner Brothers about doing a Fury Road sequel

[00:18:06] And all that kind of stuff

[00:18:07] He finally made 3000 years of longing

[00:18:09] A couple of years ago

[00:18:10] Which I really liked

[00:18:11] And watching Furiosa

[00:18:13] My thought was this is not a movie for the people who have obsess over Fury Road for so long

[00:18:18] This is a movie for those of us who really like 3000 years of longing when it came out in theaters

[00:18:22] Wild

[00:18:23] Which is not that many people

[00:18:25] I saw it

[00:18:27] Did you like 3000 years of longing?

[00:18:29] I love 3000 years of longing, yeah

[00:18:31] Hey, there we go

[00:18:33] So I think Furiosa is a really weird unwieldy movie

[00:18:38] That doesn't feel like it's

[00:18:40] You know, I think a lot of the negative reaction to it

[00:18:42] I mean, and it's getting a mostly positive reaction

[00:18:44] But I think a lot of the you know, the drawbacks to it are that it's not Fury Road

[00:18:48] But I do think it feels of a piece with the rest of George Miller's career

[00:18:52] Including the other three Mad Max movies

[00:18:54] I think just the way that they kind of tell their story

[00:18:56] And kind of meander and go into weird dividends and whatnot

[00:18:59] I think Furiosa feels like a George Miller movie

[00:19:02] Maybe even more so than Mad Max Fury Road

[00:19:04] So, you know, there's that

[00:19:08] Well, I guess if you

[00:19:09] If you're looking at like Fury Road is like a return to form

[00:19:12] This is kind of like, okay, you prove that you could do it again

[00:19:15] What else can you show us?

[00:19:17] Which I can respect it for that sense

[00:19:19] But I think yeah, it does stray a little bit farther away

[00:19:22] Not that I wanted Fury Road Plus or something

[00:19:25] But it does go so much into like the lore aspect of it

[00:19:29] That it kind of almost loses itself for certain points

[00:19:32] Or like the second you feel like it's ramping up

[00:19:34] It then goes anyway, here's 25 minutes of a side

[00:19:37] That we're just not going to address what we were just told happened

[00:19:41] But we're not going to be showing it

[00:19:42] Right, yeah, and there was a good amount of that in Furiosa

[00:19:45] But this movie tells its story in like five distinct chapters

[00:19:49] Like all kind of detailing different eras of Furiosa's life

[00:19:53] From childhood to like right before Fury Road happens

[00:19:56] And I don't know, I think that approach really works for certain chapters

[00:20:00] And then other chapters you're kind of waiting to be like

[00:20:02] All right, so what's happening? Why are we doing this?

[00:20:05] But it's not like I was always engaged

[00:20:07] I was always like, you know, into it

[00:20:10] I think all the action stuff is really cool

[00:20:13] And I think the two central performances of Anya Taylor-Joy and Chris Hemsworth are both phenomenal

[00:20:17] I think they're both great, especially Hemsworth

[00:20:18] I think Hemsworth is killing it in this movie

[00:20:21] And he's just so fun to watch as the warlord Dementus

[00:20:25] And I'm just a big fan of the names of characters in these movies

[00:20:28] So that's always fun too

[00:20:30] And I think, you know, having certain characters from Fury Road show up

[00:20:33] Like Immortan Joe and his whole group of people

[00:20:36] You know, it does go into certain like prequely elements a little bit

[00:20:39] Like, you know, oh now this is how Immortan Joe's doctor came to be at the Citadel or whatever

[00:20:45] But at the same time, I don't know

[00:20:47] I think it sort of deepens some of the stuff from Fury Road

[00:20:50] In ways that are maybe both good and bad

[00:20:53] I don't know, but yeah, Nick

[00:20:55] So it sounds like you were maybe a little bit mixed on Furiosa

[00:20:58] What do you think?

[00:20:59] Yeah, again, I've had less

[00:21:01] I saw it less than 24 hours ago

[00:21:04] So it's still pretty new in my head

[00:21:06] But yeah, it just seemed like there was a lot of stuff that while it was happening

[00:21:11] I was either really, really enjoying it

[00:21:13] Or just kind of I know that this chapter is coming to an end

[00:21:16] Where's the next thing gonna swing to?

[00:21:19] And as much as obviously it's interesting for him to deepen the lore

[00:21:23] I feel like so many of the previous movies are just immediate iconography

[00:21:28] Like back to back to back

[00:21:30] And when he just keeps returning to the Fury Road well

[00:21:35] Over and over again, it almost makes me less interested in those people

[00:21:39] Like I don't need to know why the organic mechanic came to be in the Capitol or whatever

[00:21:45] But I still think about that one guy covered in moss on stilts from Fury Road nine years ago

[00:21:51] And I don't know shit about him

[00:21:53] So I feel like that's the downside of flushing these things out

[00:21:57] Where even if it adds something to some of the characters

[00:22:00] I feel like especially because this movie is two and a half hours long

[00:22:04] It gives almost too much breath to certain things where you're just kind of like why is this happening?

[00:22:10] Maybe that's yeah, this sounds a bit too negative. I still like the movie, but I don't know

[00:22:14] I think I mostly agree with you Nick for the because you know a lot of the a lot of the praise

[00:22:19] To Fury Road was all of the all this implied stuff that doesn't it doesn't waste our time

[00:22:25] It gets right to the action and the way all these characters behave and all that stuff

[00:22:29] It doesn't stop to tell us all these other like whatever fucking slanger and whatever

[00:22:33] You know, I go and what do these wives are and all that stuff and like the history of the war boys, you know

[00:22:38] We don't have to that doesn't really matter for the story of Fury Road

[00:22:41] And it makes sense that this the script for Furiosa was written then because you can you can feel

[00:22:47] The like weight of the knowledge of the script of Furiosa behind Fury Road, right?

[00:22:53] I can tell that they all they all knew this stuff already and that's why it comes off so well

[00:22:57] Well developed in Fury Road. So then when it's like and now here's the backstory in Furiosa

[00:23:02] It feels like well the thing is we talk about Mike a lot where it's like I want a movie or franchise like it becomes

[00:23:07] It's Wikipedia page right? Yeah

[00:23:09] And like we're in this this heading on Wikipedia is chapter one and then this heading and Wikipedia is chapter two

[00:23:14] And it's that's really reductive

[00:23:16] But that's sort of what I was like thinking and feeling a little bit in the in the back of my head while

[00:23:20] Like enjoying the cool spectacle and awesome shit that's happening. I'm also like thinking like alright

[00:23:25] Do we really like do we need to know the organic mechanic and why he's here?

[00:23:28] And I mean, that's like the most obvious example

[00:23:30] But I also I was talking to some friends the other day and I said that I had this feeling that like yeah

[00:23:35] I felt like it was just taking all this stuff and explaining it for like things that like we don't need

[00:23:40] We don't need to know the full like history of for Fury Road and my friend was like oh like like what and I and

[00:23:45] I couldn't think of an actual example of what was making me feel that so I don't know if I like that's I'm gonna

[00:23:51] Have to see this again, obviously

[00:23:53] But that was the thing that was like maybe I just I don't know why I felt that I just sort of did you know

[00:23:57] Yeah, I mean, I think here's the thing

[00:23:59] I mean we're talking about that as if it's like it's like a big thing in Furioso where they're always explaining things

[00:24:03] That happen, you know, and the thing is I don't think it's necessarily that I think it's just like this takes place before

[00:24:09] Fury Road and so things are happening that lead into Fury Road, you know

[00:24:13] It's not like it's showing you like oh and this is how Han and Chewie got like yeah, it's not that

[00:24:19] Earned like that and I think whenever it does do a thing that like shows you like, you know, for example

[00:24:23] I guess we should just say spoilers for this entire episode right spoilers for I guess. Yeah, okay

[00:24:29] Yeah, spoilers for the entire episode. We'll just say that right now for example

[00:24:34] There's a moment where it shows you how Furioso lost her arm, right?

[00:24:37] You know, and I think I really liked that moment

[00:24:40] I think that moment really works for me as because it's not about you know, and this is how Furioso lost her arm

[00:24:46] And that's why she is the way she is in Fury Road

[00:24:48] It's just about her escaping a terrible situation in this movie Furioso and it's presented so matter-of-factly

[00:24:54] And it's not like a huge like, you know moment for the character and like that like, you know

[00:24:59] And the audience knows of course. Yeah happens off screen

[00:25:02] And it's like and the audience knows of course that Furioso doesn't have an arm in Fury Road and that's what you know

[00:25:06] Yeah, it doesn't do any of that it just happens very like matter-of-factly and you know very quickly and yeah off screen

[00:25:11] And I kind of like that aspect of it where yeah

[00:25:14] It is showing you how things got to where they are in Fury Road

[00:25:16] But it does take place before Fury Road

[00:25:18] And so you're kind of getting a sense of what how things got to where they are in that movie, you know

[00:25:22] But at the same I feel like there's almost a lack of progress because it seems like when they show up to the Citadel

[00:25:29] I think I called it the Capitol earlier. Sorry

[00:25:32] When they show up to the Citadel all of the exact same guys who are in Fury Road 20 years later are there wearing the same clothes

[00:25:40] Doing the exact same thing

[00:25:42] So why like why bother with them?

[00:25:45] Like when Dementis is shown in the beginning it seems like it's going to be more of a this is Furioso's relationship with him

[00:25:53] That'll be a good majority of the movie

[00:25:56] Then she'll end up at the Citadel and then we will see why she has this sort of vengeance against Immortan Joe

[00:26:03] Which she then goes through in Fury Road

[00:26:06] But it just seems like a lot of it is just a character starts in one spot and then there's no progress whatsoever

[00:26:12] Or even Fury Ro- uh, Fury Rosa. She's like a pasta sauce

[00:26:17] Uh, Fury Rosa starts and you see her in the green place and I'm almost expecting

[00:26:24] Okay, so she's gonna be a bit more naive and have to learn these resources

[00:26:28] Immediately she's biting through fuel lines in a motorcycle and then can immediately cut through shit

[00:26:34] And she's aggressive and knows exactly how to fend for herself and knows how to fire a gun and all this other stuff

[00:26:40] And she immediately is on this vengeance track where you're kind of like

[00:26:43] So what is this next 20 years gonna show to us other than she started off this way and in 20 years

[00:26:50] She's gonna still be this way

[00:26:52] And I think that's where a lot of my frustration lies with this movie

[00:26:56] Is as beautiful as it is and as much as I'm enjoying it in the moment

[00:26:59] I don't know not that I need a why but like it's making me ask why

[00:27:03] I think part of that is that you know her arc gets complete in Fury Road

[00:27:08] You know and this is meant to be like sort of like I think more of a compliment to that movie than it is necessarily a prequel

[00:27:13] You know which I mean is tracks back with how it was written where it's like oh back to back like they were gonna

[00:27:18] Shoot him back to back. They're gonna release him back to back and then that didn't necessarily happen

[00:27:21] But I think you know her arc in this movie such as it is is like you know, she is a young child

[00:27:28] She gets taken away by Dementus. She you know becomes like becomes vengeance fueled becomes like, you know

[00:27:33] She's this tragic figure and we should mention also the like when she does lose her arm

[00:27:37] There's an added tragedy to it that she had tattooed like a star chart on that arm to find her way back to the green place

[00:27:43] Right. Yeah, the map and then yeah had to cut that off to get to escape

[00:27:47] So that map is gone, which is why she couldn't find the green place later

[00:27:50] But I think yeah, I think there's a you know, it's her it's her vengeance against Dementus

[00:27:55] That is like fueling her the entire time but it is her, you know hiding out under Immortan Joe's rule

[00:28:00] You know, there was a moment where she she could have been bred as like or like raised to be one of his wives

[00:28:05] But she escapes and pretends to be a boy for a long time

[00:28:07] And I think it's partially her learning to trust people a little bit

[00:28:11] I think is maybe her arc in this movie

[00:28:13] Which is kind of set up with her relationship with Praetorian Jack played by Tom Burke

[00:28:18] Who sort of feel who sort of feels like proto Mad Max in a way like went before Mad Max shows up

[00:28:24] She has this guy to kind of show her how to survive under Immortan Joe and you know be

[00:28:29] Be an Imperator and all that kind of stuff

[00:28:32] So yeah, I think there is an arc for her character in this movie

[00:28:36] But it's not complete until you watch Fury Road, which we saw nine years ago

[00:28:40] So if you feel it feels weird. Yeah, and I think I think that's part of the like

[00:28:45] I think Jack like Praetorian Jack is like one of the best parts of the movie

[00:28:49] What not not only just because like his character rules and he's a lot of fun

[00:28:52] But like he's a character that that that like Furiosa trusts Max because she recognizes the same thing in him that she saw in Jack

[00:29:00] Right. So like that's a prequel thing that like really informs Fury Road and makes that deeper

[00:29:04] But that he's also part of like one of the more frustrating things I think

[00:29:08] In the movie where like he's introduced in that chapter

[00:29:11] He's like I will teach you how to survive the road war cut to now you're ready to complete the road war

[00:29:16] You're like, wait a second. Where's those 10 years? Where's that chapter?

[00:29:19] Yeah, exactly like I get it, you know, you got to make a decision somewhere but yeah, I was like no

[00:29:25] I want to see all that stuff. We finally had war rig action and then we cut cut past it a little bit

[00:29:30] You know, yeah, which and that war rig action scene. Oh baby rat is hell love to see

[00:29:35] Yeah, really cool. I mean, it's it sort of feels like oh, yeah, it's Fury Road rehash, right?

[00:29:40] It's it's a lot of the same stuff you're seeing in Fury Road

[00:29:43] But with the added addition of people in parachutes, which is pretty cool. Fuck. Yeah

[00:29:47] I mean, I think it does feel like a little bit of a remix of all the Mad Max movies like that

[00:29:52] That has that Fury Road stretch

[00:29:53] It has that you know losing your family element to it from the first movie and it just has like so much

[00:29:58] Like so much stuff

[00:29:59] But you know, I think Beyond Thunderdome is probably the most sincere Mad Max movie in terms of like trying to give the characters

[00:30:05] Like a real like I mean Fury Road is actually like very sincere

[00:30:07] But I mean like Thunderdome is sincere and like, you know, love conquers all kind of way

[00:30:11] And I think there is a little bit of a sense of like, you know,

[00:30:14] And I think there is a little bit of that in this movie too with Furiosa and Praetoria and Jack and like, you know

[00:30:21] Obviously things don't end well for Praetoria and Jack

[00:30:24] But for that moment they have they have that together. So I don't know. I think it remixes the series in a fun way

[00:30:31] I think it's really interesting. It is mostly very exciting

[00:30:35] And again, I think it's anchored by these two performances which you know, Anya Taylor-Joy

[00:30:41] We should talk about her as Furiosa because obviously this role was originated by Charlize Theron in Mad Max Fury Road

[00:30:47] And it was one of those things that George Miller has said like yeah, we're making a prequel

[00:30:51] And you know for a second I considered doing like a digital de-aging thing with Charlize Theron

[00:30:56] And I was just like not convinced by it from the movies that I saw that used digital de-aging

[00:31:00] Which thank God like that. I'm really glad that didn't happen

[00:31:04] But then they do this digital facial blend thing between the other actress and Anya Taylor-Joy in the for the first 45 minutes

[00:31:10] She's not in it for a really long time, which is pretty surprising. Yeah, but this really works I think

[00:31:14] She looks like a CG person though

[00:31:17] It's way better than a lot of other versions of this

[00:31:20] But me and my friend that I went to see this with were like that's not a D8

[00:31:24] Like what is going on? Like we were freaked out by it

[00:31:27] To us it was noticeable that it was I mean it's not like it's like Planet of the Apes

[00:31:31] You know where it's like obviously a full CG creation or something like that

[00:31:35] But there was just some weird every now and then some like weird uncanny valley moment where I was like whoa this does

[00:31:40] She does not look like a regular real human

[00:31:42] I don't know what's going on to the point where I thought it was a de-aging thing for Anya Taylor-Joy

[00:31:46] And then of course Tilla credits that it's like got another person credited as like young Furiosa

[00:31:51] So I was like what the hell and then I got home and saw all that stuff where they were like oh yeah

[00:31:54] They did this weird facial blend thing. See I think the facial blend thing really worked for me

[00:31:59] I thought I thought it looked really cool. I mean, I'm jealous. I wish I wish I didn't notice it

[00:32:03] That's one of those things like I didn't know about it until afterwards also, but like originally I was like man

[00:32:08] They really got an actress who looks like Anya Taylor-Joy. Yeah, but yeah

[00:32:12] I guess what they because Anya Taylor-Joy is I think this is specifically because Anya Taylor-Joy's eyes are so distinctive

[00:32:18] Yeah

[00:32:20] That's you know

[00:32:21] They did this thing where they kind of

[00:32:23] Transplanted her eyes or a younger version of her eyes or whatever it is on this actress

[00:32:27] And it kind of to me it felt like a seamless transition between the younger actress and Anya Taylor-Joy

[00:32:32] Once you get once it cuts to her to the point where like even in like chapter three

[00:32:37] Which I think is when Anya Taylor-Joy first shows up

[00:32:39] I was like, you know, she's under a mask for a lot of it. And so for a while

[00:32:43] I was like is this the same actress or is this Anya Taylor-Joy now?

[00:32:47] Double is doing like the actual physicality part, but it's just her face just underneath. Yeah. Yeah exactly

[00:32:54] Nick did the effect work for you to that?

[00:32:57] I mean I would say like the biggest giveaway is like the eyes cuz she she has very distinct eyes

[00:33:02] She's very vibrant eyes

[00:33:04] But I think because the rest of the movie is just so highly stylized like it's one of those things where yes

[00:33:10] I think if I had focused in on it immediately, it might have been very distracting

[00:33:14] But also like I never got past Chris Hemsworth snows. So who am I?

[00:33:19] I'm not tricked by the prosthetic. So I'm way too focused on that to think about

[00:33:25] CGI face, but yeah for the most part it worked for me

[00:33:28] I would just say the the CG was I think a little bit more distracting in this than especially Fury Road and

[00:33:35] No, yeah

[00:33:36] Not with like truck explosions and stuff like that

[00:33:39] Which I understand but I just mean like certain scenes in the beginning, especially when they're in the green place

[00:33:43] Yeah, it seems like all right

[00:33:45] We have two prop trees and then the rest of this is in the volume and I know not everyone can

[00:33:50] Go into the forest or whatever and like it's hard to film with kids and stuff

[00:33:54] But I watched half of Thunderdome the good half last night afterwards and I was like, yeah

[00:33:59] That's a guy walking through dirt and you could

[00:34:04] Yeah, I mean that's one of the I mean one of the amazing things about Fury Road a movie that

[00:34:09] You know is we're gonna have to keep breaking up because there's no way you can't bring it up

[00:34:12] But when talking about this movie, yeah

[00:34:14] Is that you know it has this reputation of being like it and they did it all practically, you know

[00:34:20] But and it is like there's a lot of practical stuff in Fury Road

[00:34:23] But it is like a blend of you know

[00:34:24] Practical effects and CGI and all that kind of stuff

[00:34:27] but the movie is so well structured and so well paced and also

[00:34:32] The look of its makes it feel like it's real like and Furiosa

[00:34:36] I like leans heavily into a more digital look than Fury Road has

[00:34:41] And I feel like that's a deliberate choice on George Miller's part

[00:34:44] I think that feels like I don't think it's like a bad visual effects

[00:34:48] You know a blanket bad visual effects statement

[00:34:50] I think it is like George Miller like actively trying to go for a more fake look

[00:34:55] Which may which maybe sounds like I'm trying to excuse bad visual effects and I'm not

[00:35:01] but

[00:35:02] But I think each Mad Max movie also has their own kind of distinctive look and feel to it

[00:35:06] And I think Furiosa maybe this is just the way he wanted it to look okay

[00:35:10] and I would say the thing that I think supports that is at number one in

[00:35:14] I feel like there's a lot more stuff that looks like this where it's it's realized

[00:35:18] But like there's people with like random extra arms and stuff like that or like they're tinted gold or something

[00:35:24] And like I feel like this movie is a fable told from history, man

[00:35:28] So maybe it's like it looks like an ethereal world because it's an ethereal world of something

[00:35:33] We'll never get back to so maybe that's maybe that's how the trees looked all fucked up. I don't know that's fair

[00:35:39] Yeah, yeah, I didn't think about the the definitely everything that's in the movie

[00:35:43] It definitely ends with narration does it begin with narration? I don't remember

[00:35:49] It's like the it's similar to Fury Road and also like Road Warrior where it starts with here's what happened

[00:35:55] Like we overused our resources stuff like that

[00:35:58] And then there's even a shot of the history man standing there in the desert and then it fades away

[00:36:04] And then that's when it cuts to right is the benefit of seeing it 24 hours ago. Yeah

[00:36:09] and then it cuts straight to

[00:36:11] Furiosa in the woods with the peach right? Okay. Yeah, so I mean that that tracks to having it be like, you know

[00:36:17] I mean so much of these movies are about myth and legend and all that stuff

[00:36:22] So having it be you know, like we're deliberately being told by a historian or whatever

[00:36:27] Keeper of the stories kind of guy that stuff might be a little you know inaccurate and even at the end of the movie

[00:36:32] This like has some like unreliable narration stuff where it's like well some people say this and then it's like but the other

[00:36:37] People think this yeah. Yeah

[00:36:39] I mean so the movie ends with Furiosa killing Dementis and again or does it or does it?

[00:36:45] I mean it does seem like furious that killed Dementis because it but it shows you like three or four different versions of what could have happened

[00:36:52] Yeah, how she feels like yeah. Yeah many people say that, you know, she just shot him

[00:36:56] But others are like well

[00:36:57] That's not enough and some people say she planted a tree over his body and he still lives there to this day as he'd

[00:37:03] Like decays or like all that kind of stuff

[00:37:05] And so there's you know, there's an element of like, you know

[00:37:09] and people have said this with a Mad Max series like from the beginning that like each one kind of has its own like

[00:37:14] Sort of myth-making element to it that it is all like sort of stories told around the fireplace in the post-apocalyptic

[00:37:19] Wasteland of like, you know these mythical heroes and you know for a time those are Mad Max

[00:37:24] but that also includes now Furiosa and

[00:37:26] Yeah, I think that sort of I think that's part of why like if you watch the Mad Max movies

[00:37:31] Like, you know, they're all kind of disconnected from one another

[00:37:33] That you can watch any Mad Max movie and like be pretty good

[00:37:37] You don't have to like catch up with any of the other ones

[00:37:39] You can just watch Road Warrior on its own for example and be fine or you can watch Fury Road and be fine

[00:37:44] It's why actors change in between movies

[00:37:46] We're like, oh now it's Tom Hardy playing Mad Max and now it's on you Taylor Joy playing Furiosa and all that kind of

[00:37:51] Stuff and it's also why you know

[00:37:52] Sometimes the same actor pops up in different roles in these movies because it's like

[00:37:56] Where they're not like beholden to continuity like other

[00:37:59] Franchises and it can kind of it can kind of play fast and loose with like the myth-making aspect of it

[00:38:04] Which is a is a really fun asset for it to have, you know

[00:38:07] Like Hugh Keyes burn is the toe cutter in the original Mad Max who was represented on Nick's background screen right now

[00:38:15] But then he's also a more tan Joe and Mad Max Fury Road

[00:38:17] But then you know Hugh Keyes burn dies in between these movies and now a different actor is playing a more tango

[00:38:21] And you kind of just roll with it. It's it's part of the it's part of the series

[00:38:25] I didn't realize that the the guy who plays like Nux is like friend or whatever in Fury Road is Scrotus in this

[00:38:32] Yes, Scrotus and more tango son who was also not in Fury Road

[00:38:36] Expecting him to die. Yeah

[00:38:39] You know, it's interesting

[00:38:40] I forgot to mention in the beginning about my you know relationship to the Mad Max franchise and stuff the Mad Max video

[00:38:47] Game from like 2016 or 15 or whatever. Yeah rules

[00:38:51] It's very good and it's made by the studio that makes all those like Arkham Knight or Arkham Asylum

[00:38:57] So it's like a really brawly like kind of fist fight II kind of game with a big car action and stuff, too

[00:39:02] It's really good. And the main villain is Scrotus. So when he shows up in this I was like, yeah

[00:39:07] Like we're merging continuities like what's happening?

[00:39:12] Yeah, but I think that like feeds into again that myth-making thing of like yes Scrotus in this movie

[00:39:16] He doesn't die. So like presumably he should be in Fury Road, but he's not

[00:39:20] Because somebody else is telling the story in that one, you know

[00:39:22] Yeah, yeah

[00:39:23] And also like we don't really get a clear timeline

[00:39:25] Like obviously the movie just because of the like nature of movies feels like all these things happen back to back to back to back

[00:39:30] But like yeah, there's obviously decades or years being spanned here

[00:39:34] So who knows how long it is between the end of that chapter

[00:39:38] You know the end of the movie and then it cuts to you know, the the beginning of Fury Road basically

[00:39:43] So who knows how much time happens in between there? Maybe that's where he dies

[00:39:46] But that ending I feel like that's becoming a bigger and bigger trend maybe since like how is that Star Wars where they pull out the dead?

[00:39:52] Oh Rogue One that ends like literally seconds before a new hope starts this movie ends

[00:39:58] As Fury Road is beginning to so that I don't know that was fun though

[00:40:02] And then they show Fury Road in the credits. That was wild. That's a weird choice on their part

[00:40:07] I saw somebody or read or whatever

[00:40:11] Their theory is that that is now like moving the continuity to now we're after Fury Road and so now on you Taylor

[00:40:18] Joy could play Furious in like a sequel to Fury Road kind of thing interesting like how that's an interesting way to think

[00:40:23] I like because I was like why are they doing this? This is I mean, it's cool. Furious rocks

[00:40:27] But that was an interesting thought. Yeah, I mean it was one of those things where like oh, yeah

[00:40:32] I watched this movie that I did like quite a bit

[00:40:34] But then as soon as the credits start rolling and I'm seeing close from Fury Road, I was like man

[00:40:40] It's very good Nick, what did you think of the ending of this movie?

[00:40:43] Um, I I get I thought it was a little bit distracting because similar to what you're saying. I was like, okay

[00:40:49] Also, there's that weird

[00:40:51] Probably 10 15 minutes before this movie ends

[00:40:54] They do a wide shot of the entire desert and you see Max and the interceptor on the hill

[00:40:59] And it's like okay, that's a little bit winky nod

[00:41:03] But we know like we're getting there and then the fact that this movie literally ends with all right

[00:41:07] The brides are going up on the war rig and now we're gonna go off to Fury Road. It was like why advertise the movie?

[00:41:13] That's again not saying I didn't flat out dislike Furiosa

[00:41:18] But why advertise a better movie at the end of your movie unless you are really confident?

[00:41:22] And I feel like it would almost just the fade to black is so much more effective

[00:41:27] Where I was ready to go and then they start intercutting scenes for Fury Road and it's a little bit

[00:41:32] Just like don't do this

[00:41:33] You already you picked the good spot rogue one at least fades to black and there's the Star Wars music

[00:41:38] They should have absolutely stopped there

[00:41:41] It was like did you guys stay to the end of it?

[00:41:43] Is there more or did they I stayed I stayed to the very end because I had read that there was a post credit

[00:41:49] Scene and it turns out the post credit scenes like a two second flash of like the skull on a dashboard

[00:41:56] That's it. It's not it's not anything. It's it's just a quick flash

[00:41:59] It's another like shot from Fury Road and then that's it

[00:42:02] I had read that there was a post credit scene

[00:42:04] But I just read the word like in a post credit scene

[00:42:07] Like comma and then I like stopped so that I didn't want to know what what the post-grain was

[00:42:11] Very funnily enough. I went back and like looked at what that article had said and like in a post credit scene

[00:42:17] There's a scene where Furiosa is like looking through binoculars and she sees Max Rockitansky's car driving past as like that's not what it is

[00:42:23] That's not

[00:42:27] Specific or something

[00:42:29] That could be yeah. Yeah, I feel like we're all kind of coming down pretty negative

[00:42:33] It sounds like we're coming down pretty negative, but I don't think it any of us really are right

[00:42:38] I like I liked it a lot. Yeah

[00:42:43] And I you know, I'm just down for the world of the wasteland. I think that's part of it too

[00:42:47] I enjoy it

[00:42:48] I think any negativity that's coming out is mostly just cuz like man that next year or a perfect movie

[00:42:53] You know that's you know, and it's tough to compare to if you're real, but I think

[00:42:59] You know all of the action this movie is really cool again that the Fury Road esc scene

[00:43:03] The war rig action scene is awesome

[00:43:05] The take on Gastown is is really fun and exciting and all that all that stuff is great

[00:43:11] And I think the kind of duality of Furiosa and Dementis like I mean Hemsworth as Dementis is like co-lead of this movie

[00:43:17] It's not just that he's like a supporting actor

[00:43:19] You know Dementis is a major major character in this and I think he's so much fun

[00:43:24] He's letting loose with Dementis in a way that he doesn't get to let loose that often and that's really fun

[00:43:30] Like there's just scenes of him like torturing people

[00:43:33] There's the scene of him like, you know doing his like whole like she'd be like lady and gentlemen's

[00:43:38] Yeah, and it's like five people on motorcycles

[00:43:40] Like they're all tied to this one body and they're all about to like just tear in part. It's great

[00:43:45] Love that love that stuff. Yeah, I did like Dementis. I did want to shout out

[00:43:49] He's a fascinating

[00:43:50] Villain that he's like like a doomer right?

[00:43:53] Like he's so filled with hate and he's like the the possibility of hope is like what fuels him to destroy hope

[00:43:59] Right, you can't allow hope to exist because he has none

[00:44:02] So he has to destroy everybody else's and and all that's really fascinating and the way he like co-ops like a revolutionary language

[00:44:08] Of like, you know when he gets to the Citadel and he's like throw over throw down your oppressor the chains of your oppressors

[00:44:13] And we'll like all that just cuz he wants to be in power not cuz he wants the people to be free

[00:44:17] That was like such a fascinating side to his like strategy there and yeah, I just can't wait

[00:44:22] I mean, I don't really know if Hemsworth is still Thor

[00:44:23] I don't even know but like I can't wait for him to get out from that and just be able to do shit

[00:44:27] Like this all the time. Yeah, I mean, I think he is still Thor

[00:44:31] I think they're still planning on making Thor 5 but like nothing has like kind of come from that yet

[00:44:35] Yeah, you know so I think if they do to Thor 5

[00:44:38] I would imagine that would be his last run as Thor unless he's back for whatever next big Avengers thing is happening

[00:44:44] But we also don't really know what that is anymore because Jonathan Majors is gone

[00:44:48] Yeah, not really sure what's going on there but yeah I Nick what did you think of Chris Hemsworth as as de mentis in this film?

[00:44:55] I again other than the nose

[00:44:57] It was I think he does a fantastic job and the fact that he yes finally gets to have fun as a villain character

[00:45:04] He did that briefly in like bad times at the L. Royale

[00:45:07] But even then he shows up ten minutes before the end there and it's good to see him get to chew off the

[00:45:12] Screen for a good half of this movie

[00:45:14] Yeah, and I think just a very interesting thing that it does is at least in the beginning

[00:45:19] He has like this teddy bear when he brings in

[00:45:21] Furiosa and he makes these sort of comments about like oh

[00:45:24] This is the family that I lost and it kind of seems like it's the same path as Max

[00:45:30] Rakitansky where it was like guy who lost wife and kids and now

[00:45:33] Max sees hope and tries to restore order and he's like well screw all of this

[00:45:38] I'm just gonna try to turn the entire world against itself and fuel it with hate

[00:45:42] But again, it's it

[00:45:43] I feel like there's a lot of interesting things going on with him that you don't usually get with Mad Max villains where they're either

[00:45:49] Just crazy for the sake of being crazy or people like a Morton Joe or it's like I'm bad and I'm bad

[00:45:55] And those are my two character traits

[00:45:59] Yeah, absolutely

[00:45:59] And I do think his his death in the movie like you know as the movie ends

[00:46:03] I think it's really interesting to compare it to fear road because fear road has such a like bombastic huge action climax

[00:46:10] Like it's crazy. I mean, you know guitars are getting thrown at the screen

[00:46:14] Right all that stuff and Furiosa ends on like a relative like just kind of quiet down notes

[00:46:19] Where you don't even really know how Dementis dies? He's kind of just like a guy. He's monologuing at Furiosa

[00:46:26] He has that line like oh do you have but in you to make it epic and that kind of thing

[00:46:29] But yeah, you kind of just have like a sad moment where she kills Dementis and that's it

[00:46:34] Like there's not there's no like huge fireworks display

[00:46:37] Like there is the end of Mad Max fear road

[00:46:39] Which I think does set the tone for this movie a little bit

[00:46:41] Like it just makes it feel like I'm much weirder more different like it feels very different than fear road

[00:46:46] Which I think is a point in its favor

[00:46:47] Like I'm glad that Miller isn't just doing like alright

[00:46:50] I'm playing the hits again

[00:46:50] But he's sort of like remixing everything and turning it into something new and we have mentioned on your Taylor's joy as Furiosa

[00:46:56] And I think she's really good

[00:46:56] But I also wanted to shout out that like by the end of this movie she sounds just like Charlize Theron and it's very weird

[00:47:02] Yeah, that almost seemed more apparent than like the CGI deep fake stuff

[00:47:07] I was like did they get Charlize Theron to do the voice and then she's talking over it or something

[00:47:12] But yeah, I think about I think that's just on you told you I do in the voice like figure figuring out

[00:47:17] How to sound like her which is kind of wild

[00:47:18] It's like it's really like towards the end when she's like, you know tormenting Dementis and it's like I want them back

[00:47:24] Yeah, she sounds just like her yeah it was all that is very good

[00:47:27] I did also want to shout out the scene when they when Dementis and his crew like catch Jack and

[00:47:34] Furiosa and they like I guess kill Jack or I don't even really remember exactly the order of Jack's jack dies

[00:47:39] Yeah, I think Jack also dies off screen. I'm pretty sure he's just kind of like dragged around on a motorcycle

[00:47:47] But that whole that whole sequence maybe think of like come and see

[00:47:50] That whole cuz it's it's everyone going in circles in different directions and there's all this smoke and dust that it's all one long

[00:47:57] Steadycam take and we're like chasing different people in the crowd and it's like all just this insane mayhem

[00:48:02] That's that just was like this feels like the end of come and see which is fucking crazy

[00:48:07] So that that was cool

[00:48:09] I wanted to show and that's also when she

[00:48:10] Furiosa like rips her arm off because she's chained or whatever and yeah that whole scene is really intense and and that's like sort

[00:48:16] Of when Dementis like realizes like oh, this is all like worthless. Well, you know, he kind of just like we've killed them and it's like

[00:48:22] I'm bored

[00:48:23] Kind of thing there this movie in the last, you know

[00:48:26] Like Mike was saying in the last 20 minutes sort of turns into this like well

[00:48:28] This is kind of all like, you know

[00:48:30] Revenge isn't worth it is of course the story for millions of other stories

[00:48:33] But that's sort of where this this this movie goes to you

[00:48:35] So yes, absolutely and there's a moment where it seems like she's not gonna kill Dementis

[00:48:39] Yeah, and I was and in my head I was like you've killed so many people together here

[00:48:44] You better you better kill them you gotta kill you gotta kill Dementis and of course she does or you know

[00:48:49] It perhaps plants a tree over him and he suffers for all for all of time. Yeah, I'm not not sure what happened there

[00:48:56] But yeah also want to give a shout out to Furiosa's mom who rules

[00:48:59] Yeah, and what's her name? That was in the fast and furious movies

[00:49:03] Elsa Pataki who is a he rules Chris Hemsworth wife in real life. Yeah, I didn't realize she's in two roles

[00:49:09] I saw that this morning. Yes. Yeah, she's one. She's one of like the volvulene in the green place

[00:49:13] Yeah, and then she's also a character named. Mr. Norton who is a deformed survivor who is like part of Dementis's gang

[00:49:21] Yeah, she's the one that wins that like battle where they rip the guy in pieces that yes. Yeah. Yeah, so that's fun

[00:49:28] Yeah, Nick any any scenes or anything that you want to shout out and Furiosa anything that you want to give attention to

[00:49:33] I this goes back just to the war rig part and something we were talking about earlier with like those parachute flyers

[00:49:40] And then the I believe his name is the Octo boss the little mechanism that he has there he is. Thank you

[00:49:49] Giant like almost like jean jacket from nope like

[00:49:55] Yeah, it's floating behind the war rig like that whole scene is absolutely incredible and that again

[00:50:01] Not that we just want more Fury Road stuff

[00:50:03] But I feel like that had a good amount of the stakes are smaller because there's only like five cars involved

[00:50:08] But you'd like feel every single crash that happens there

[00:50:12] Yeah

[00:50:12] And it just feels so much more personal because you're just seeing so much hand-to-hand combat in there

[00:50:17] But I feel like the inventiveness when it comes to that sort of stuff is still top-notch where I went into the movie

[00:50:22] I was like, yeah

[00:50:22] There's gonna be cars and stuff and then the second I see like oh a parachutes opening up

[00:50:27] I like it. It's going from the city back to leaning straight forward

[00:50:32] Yeah, one of my favorite tweets about that I've seen about this movie so far is that forget who said it exactly

[00:50:37] But it's like one of my favorite parts about Furiosa is when somebody says I only answer to the Octo Boss

[00:50:42] Who's a character that has not been mentioned up to this point and then the camera turns and you're like, oh, yeah

[00:50:46] That's gotta be the octopus

[00:50:49] That's the guy that's definitely him. Yeah, and that's when it's firing on all cylinders

[00:50:54] I just want to hear a name and go okay

[00:50:56] Or just again see some peripheral character in the background like do something wacky or even like there's a chase scene later

[00:51:03] On where you see all of the bikes going through and then one of the guys just totally eat shit

[00:51:07] But it's like I feel like in a wide shot. You never see that you always just see like

[00:51:11] Oh, yes

[00:51:12] The brigade is coming through and some guy just trips and then is gonna have to catch up later

[00:51:16] Which is great that his legs are sticking out of the ground like a Looney Tunes guy. Yes

[00:51:19] That's the best that was when I was like, yeah, baby. We're here

[00:51:23] And I'd love to after that when they first get to Dementis camp

[00:51:28] And I guess it's history man is like describing, you know with like religious

[00:51:33] Intonations like that the type of motor that was in a motorcycle like I think oh, yeah

[00:51:38] It's like I love that's the shit. That's so awesome about these movies like about the wasteland stuff

[00:51:43] You know just all these little weird details of having yeah

[00:51:46] They and like the fact that they're just our history men or like, you know

[00:51:50] Storyteller people that like have to tattoo

[00:51:52] History on their bodies because they don't record them any other way for some reason

[00:51:55] Like nobody else knows how to read or something

[00:51:58] I don't know it's just such a neat neat little thing and that stuff's all in the other movie in Fury Road

[00:52:02] But then you know, you know

[00:52:04] We're gonna get like a history man the fury of Mad Max saga and then we'll learn all about why that is

[00:52:08] That's sort of how I felt with my furious that you know

[00:52:10] It's interesting

[00:52:11] I mean if any character gets the prequel series the prequel treatment nine years from now from this movie

[00:52:16] I would hope it's piss boy

[00:52:19] Now I gotta ask which one is piss

[00:52:24] Yeah, there's multiple piss boys

[00:52:27] Piss boy is the little kid war boy who is in the war rig

[00:52:30] That's guy is helping Furiosa and Praetoria and Jack and then dies and dies tragically

[00:52:37] Second to mourn his death, which was I was shocked. Yeah

[00:52:39] So if anybody should get some kind of you know an expansion, I think it should be piss boy

[00:52:45] Yeah

[00:52:46] I think this movie does in like bring in a lot of new characters and a lot of new stuff which is fun

[00:52:50] But I think it's it's also just like oh

[00:52:53] It's also bringing back a lot of old characters and part of the appeal of the Mad Max series is like oh

[00:52:57] I'm going into a whole new set of characters except for Max

[00:53:00] For you know this entire movie and so when it's like, oh hey the do for here

[00:53:04] Love that guy great to see him love to see him plays guitar all that stuff at the same time

[00:53:08] It does feel like we could have had a new character here

[00:53:11] We could we could have done something new with with this, you know

[00:53:13] Yeah

[00:53:13] The reason we care about the do for here is because it's a reverse shot of a truck and then it turns around

[00:53:19] And you just see a guy playing a guitar in front of a truck who's blindfolded and it's like that's something my brain is never

[00:53:26] Comprehended until this moment and it will never leave now that it's here

[00:53:31] Yeah, absolutely Mike D any other scenes in this movie that you feel like we should give a shout out to um

[00:53:35] I'm trying to think I mean the like sort of bullet farm big action sequence when they're like when Jack and furious

[00:53:41] I have completed their road war

[00:53:44] Tutelage that we skip over and then they are like this is this is our their original like their dry run of what happens in

[00:53:50] Fury Road, right?

[00:53:51] They're gonna like make their break in the middle of this delivery or whatever

[00:53:54] And I think that action sequence is really cool when Jack

[00:53:57] You know has to battle off the whole all of Dementia says hoard in the bullet farm and all that stuff

[00:54:02] And it's like a big you know

[00:54:03] There's molten metal and all that kind of shit is just cool. So that's a lot of fun. Yes

[00:54:08] Yeah, absolutely

[00:54:09] And then there is like a you know, there is this sort of like background of the movie of you know

[00:54:13] It's Dementia's becomes like the the Lord of Gastown, right?

[00:54:16] Like he becomes like the the head of that place and part of the movie is him doing trade with immortan

[00:54:21] Joe in the Citadel and I was reminded of Star Force the Phantom Menace

[00:54:26] Which is another prequel that is heavily, you know

[00:54:29] It just goes heavily into like the negotiations and trade routes

[00:54:32] So like the side of things and this movie also goes pretty heavily into that stuff to the point where there is like

[00:54:37] A 40-day war that happens between immortan Joe and Dementus that happens in like a two second montage. It's like off-screen at all

[00:54:45] Yeah, it's another one of the history man tells us that there was a 40 day war

[00:54:50] You know moment but it's cool. It's cool as hell, you know, it's cool

[00:54:53] It's cool when it's happening and I and again, I was I was always like engaged

[00:54:56] I was always I was always into the trade negotiations

[00:54:59] Yeah, yeah, but it is one of those things like oh, I I would also have liked to see the war

[00:55:02] That would have been nice too

[00:55:04] Maybe the problem is there was just too much stuff to like too much cool stuff in this movie

[00:55:08] We want yeah, it was already two and a half hours could have been three, you know go for it

[00:55:11] Yeah, might as well. I'm gonna make it long go longer. Yeah. Yeah, and that is the thing

[00:55:15] I mean Fury Road is I think exactly two hours and just feels so tight like it moves

[00:55:21] Like I think within 10 minutes 10 15 minutes

[00:55:23] You're already like on the Fury Road and you're going and you spend the next 45 minutes on that big chase scene

[00:55:28] You get to the place where that's not the green place

[00:55:30] They think it is they realize it's not and then you turn around and that's the next 45 minutes of the movie and then it's

[00:55:34] Over. Yeah, like, you know, I think it's interesting to like look at Fury Road is like, you know

[00:55:39] This is like the prologue that leads up to like Fury Road is just the climax of this story

[00:55:44] And I find that to be kind of interesting. I have not had the chance to rewatch Fury Road yet

[00:55:48] I kind of want to watch it again. I mean, I'm always gonna I'm always down to watch Fury Road again

[00:55:52] But I kind of want to watch it again now having seen Furiosa

[00:55:56] To see if like, you know, it feels deepened in any way

[00:55:59] I mean, I always found it to be like, you know, it's crazy

[00:56:02] It's it moves fast and I think one complaint that people have had about it is that like, you know

[00:56:06] It's not really a story. It's just too long car chase scenes and that's a feature not a bug that yeah

[00:56:11] Those people are cowards

[00:56:12] Yeah

[00:56:12] Cowards, but I also think the the story of Fury Road is told through its action and through the world around it

[00:56:17] And all that kind of stuff like it feels like I

[00:56:20] Find it very like emotional and profound by the end when they you know

[00:56:23] Max tells Furiosa his name and all Nux does is big self-sacrifice all that kind of stuff

[00:56:28] But I think fury I'm I'm curious to watch for your road now and like see if like oh now that I know

[00:56:32] Furiosa's entire backstory like will I have an even more profound connection to that character in Fury Road?

[00:56:37] Yeah, I think also a scene to shout out which just popped back in my head because it's cool as hell when they're

[00:56:43] It's the first war rig, you know seen and we don't know that Furiosa is I mean

[00:56:48] I think the chapters called the stowaway

[00:56:50] But we don't know where she is necessarily and then that one dude gets like run over or something and the camera just like goes

[00:56:56] Whoosh underneath the war rig and you just see Furiosa like buckled in underneath it

[00:57:00] Yeah, and it's just like let's but that's another like lean forward in the seat

[00:57:05] Let's go. Yeah, and then that hole and when that happened in my in my head

[00:57:09] I heard Tom Hardy go she went under the wheels

[00:57:13] It's good shit, yeah good stuff any more thoughts about Furiosa guys

[00:57:17] Anything else that you want to throw out there Nick Mike D. I'm excited to watch it again and either

[00:57:23] release all my inhibitions or

[00:57:25] Just crush or feel the rain in your skin. Exactly. Correct. Yes. I couldn't remember the second half of that line

[00:57:32] It's like Mike or Nick will save me

[00:57:35] But yeah, like either like I said with the beginning that like I still ultimately had a good time with this

[00:57:40] I'd be you know

[00:57:40] I have a lot of reservations I think with the story and stuff like that

[00:57:43] But either I'll be able to get past that or you know, it just will not change my opinion

[00:57:49] But I do I feel like I'm gonna have to see it a couple more times before I can like affective

[00:57:53] Definitively say like how positive or negative I am. Yeah fair enough

[00:57:57] I mean, I feel like every time people have asked me about it

[00:57:59] Like I've been like yeah

[00:58:00] I really liked it

[00:58:00] But it is a very different movie than Mad Max Fury Road

[00:58:04] And I feel like the more people who know that going into it the better

[00:58:09] You know Nick any final thoughts on the on fury road for wrap this up same

[00:58:13] Thing I'm curious. Oh, yeah, I have a lot of thousand very road

[00:58:16] But I same thing I am curious to again rewatch it

[00:58:21] I think it's one of those things where again now that I'm not waiting

[00:58:25] For each title card to go through because I think that's also another side effect of it being a prequel

[00:58:30] It's like well, I know it starts here and has to end here

[00:58:33] So when they cut it into chapters, I'm like, okay

[00:58:36] This is gonna be this and this is gonna be this like now with all of that gone

[00:58:39] It'll be easier to watch it through and I would also like to probably just finish it drive straight back from the theater

[00:58:46] And then watch fury road to see again

[00:58:49] Is it a perfect companion piece now or am I gonna finish fury road and go now that was enough?

[00:58:55] Cuz I think my biggest takeaway from this is

[00:59:00] Just to make another comparison to a different franchise is like dawn of the planet of the apes to war for the planet

[00:59:07] Where dawn I think aside from the original is probably the best in the entire franchise again, it's so energetic

[00:59:13] There's so much stuff going on. It's got a political intrigue and it's fascinating and then I feel like after that

[00:59:19] I was like well

[00:59:20] there's no way war is gonna be any good and I feel like war takes

[00:59:23] Everything from that and then strips it down to just being something so completely separate where I'm like

[00:59:29] Oh this blew me out of the water and I feel like Furiosa dabbles in that but is so

[00:59:34] Insistent on going back into well you like the war rig and you like a Morton Joe and you remember the war boys, right?

[00:59:41] And that part frustrates me where as soon as I feel like it's gaining steam in one direction or the other

[00:59:47] It pulls me either way too far in the prequel territory or way too far into let's just do fury road again

[00:59:55] And again, that's that's the expectations coming out of again what I have just called

[01:00:01] Probably one of the best movies of the 21st century. It's like tree of life and Fury Road are like

[01:00:07] To each other and that's it

[01:00:09] Yeah, and and I will say I don't think I said this before but yeah, I don't think I don't disagree with you

[01:00:13] I think Mad Max Fury Road might be the movie of the century

[01:00:15] It's uh, it's it's really something special and people should watch Mad Max Fury Road if they haven't seen it good film

[01:00:22] And Nick since you brought it up. I was gonna transition to this anyway at the end of the podcast

[01:00:27] planet of the apes

[01:00:30] Just

[01:00:33] So we don't we just a couple of minutes on this one

[01:00:36] But Mike D and I have been talking a lot about planet of the apes

[01:00:39] Over the course of the last couple of months because the new one was coming out and we both did a rewatch or he did

[01:00:44] A he did a first time watch of war which he hadn't seen and yeah

[01:00:47] He we and I did a rewatch of rise dawn and war before Kingdom came out and

[01:00:51] Mike and I have now both seen kingdom of the planet of the apes Nick. Have you seen it yet twice?

[01:00:55] You've seen it twice. Okay. Perfect. Well, we haven't had the chance to talk about on the podcast yet

[01:00:59] So Nick, what did you know? Can you have the planet of the apes?

[01:01:01] I think it does everything that I it does the opposite of everything. I've been complaining about in period

[01:01:09] Interesting. Okay where I feel like it's distanced itself enough from the Reeves movies

[01:01:15] But also doesn't immediately feel the need to jump into oh

[01:01:19] There's George I

[01:01:22] Feel the need to just jump straight back into here's right before Charlton Heston lands

[01:01:27] And I feel like it does a job of building this mythology where there's even also in Raqqa. There's like a history man character

[01:01:35] Yes, there's enough to bridge the gap between it, but it's still so self-contained where at the end of that movie

[01:01:42] I'm not going there's Taylor's spaceship and it's about to land like they don't

[01:01:47] Know I I've seen many interpretations of I don't want to spoil the end of kingdom of the planet the apes

[01:01:53] But I've seen many interpretations of it

[01:01:56] My thought is the world is bigger than they thought it was because they're very secluded apes

[01:02:01] And I feel like what they could do is you keep building with Noah and you have still a thousand years of growth or

[01:02:09] Just do more apes and cut to a different clan. We don't need Eagle clan. We got we got apes around the world

[01:02:14] It's a whole planet of them

[01:02:17] But I need to I need to follow up on Eagle Sun, I don't care about Noah I need to know what right is it Eagle Sun

[01:02:25] Is that the cat the the dance? Yes. Oh, yes

[01:02:29] Yeah that Eagle Sun, but also got to bring back Raqqa. I know it seems like Raqqa dies

[01:02:33] But there's no way he's actually dead and they didn't show it. That's easy. He got taken away by the water

[01:02:37] I'd like to imagine he lands like it's like the end of Congo or something where he's like lands with the other similar apes

[01:02:45] Not to bring up Congo, sorry

[01:02:48] And now we're gonna get into Congo. Yeah

[01:02:52] Mike D what do you think of Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes?

[01:02:54] I thought Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes was pretty good. I had a fun time with it

[01:02:58] I think overall, you know, I so yeah, we've recapped it on the on the pod recently

[01:03:03] But yeah, I watched Rise Dawn and rewatch those and then war for the first time

[01:03:07] Before this and had my brain melted by how good war for the planet

[01:03:12] Has no reason to be that good. I don't understand why Riz went that hard

[01:03:16] But but I love that movie. So I was like, I don't know, you know, it's the same kind of thing

[01:03:21] It's like really high expectations on this kind of I mean, it's not pretty cool

[01:03:23] But like I don't know do I really need another one? But yeah, I mean, it's funny

[01:03:27] I had a fun time with it. I think Noah as a main character is like pretty annoying. He's he's he's so

[01:03:34] Obviously like the audience or get and he's got it

[01:03:36] He doesn't know any and I get it like, you know, like he said there's a clueded clan and all that stuff

[01:03:40] He did they haven't they're not allowed outside the valley or whatever it is or in the valley or wherever they can't go

[01:03:44] So, you know, he doesn't know what's going on

[01:03:46] But that leaves us as audience members knowing a lot more than him. At least I felt that way

[01:03:50] So it's like kind of like we're waiting for him to catch up to it

[01:03:53] But you know that that's I can get past that stuff because it's it's fucking monkey tapes, you know, like it's cool

[01:03:59] Proxima Caesar is that the bad guy?

[01:04:01] He's fucking awesome. He's so much fun

[01:04:04] But what was I gonna say the one thing I thought was kind of annoying or like a nor confusing or let down a little

[01:04:10] Bit is that we spend that that trilogy with Caesar like so clearly like the humans are the but even though in dawn

[01:04:16] Jerry no Jason Clark. What's that?

[01:04:19] Clark he's a good guy. He's a good he we like him, you know

[01:04:21] And then Caesar's whole thing is that like the humans deserve a chance kind of thing

[01:04:25] That's like sort of his whole philosophy a little bit

[01:04:27] Yeah

[01:04:28] but like the humans are the bad guys and all those movies especially in war so that for it to have

[01:04:32] Kingdom flip it around and be like, I mean, I guess it's a sort, you know

[01:04:36] Whatever Freya Allen becomes like one of the main characters like the humans are good

[01:04:40] They're kind of becoming the main characters a little bit for the back half of the movie

[01:04:43] We don't follow Noah. We follow her and all this stuff a little bit

[01:04:46] And then like one of the most evil things

[01:04:48] Possibly almost happens in the at the end of the movie with her character and Noah and I was like, whoa

[01:04:54] This is great. And then it doesn't go there. Yeah, and that was a letdown I think

[01:04:58] I think they're they are good ish, you know, it's like yeah

[01:05:03] I know, you know

[01:05:04] I think the end of this movie does kind of imply that like if people if more people are coming that's gonna spell problems

[01:05:09] For these apes. Yeah

[01:05:10] Like I think the ultimate thesis is that like the intelligent humans and the intelligent apes like most likely cannot coexist

[01:05:16] And so if they are to continue like with these movies, which it seems like they will I think Kingdom did pretty well

[01:05:20] You know, I think that's it's going to lead into another, you know, perhaps a war for the planet of the apes

[01:05:25] More conflict yeah more conflict that's only gonna lead to more conflict essentially

[01:05:29] I do have one more point sorry Mike to cut you off because I threw a lot of shade when we were doing our last

[01:05:36] apes discussion, which feels like it was like two or three weeks ago

[01:05:40] Pretty soon pretty recent at the quote-unquote the Maze Runner guy and I got to take it back

[01:05:44] He proved me right, you know, he proved me wrong

[01:05:47] I think he did think the direction is really good

[01:05:49] The action is really good and it was much more competent than quote-unquote the Maze Runner guy could do it

[01:05:55] I don't remember his name off the top of my head. So that's maybe this isn't the best walk back of that shade

[01:05:59] But Wes West ball is the best

[01:06:02] Good job thumbs up elevated out of enemy of the pod status. There you go. Appreciate that. Yeah, I really enjoyed Kingdom

[01:06:08] Also, I have a great time

[01:06:09] I had a great time with it a really fun continuation of the story and I think a really interesting way to kind of

[01:06:14] Build on the original trilogy while doing its own new thing where you have Proxima Caesar who is you know

[01:06:19] It's 300 years later and Caesar has become the sort of like Messiah like Christ like figure and you know

[01:06:24] In terms of like certain people they they revere that and other people like Proximus are twisting that for their own devious ends

[01:06:31] Which you know hard-hitting that's a very it's a very good like very solid like very planet of the apes way to go

[01:06:38] And I think that was really really fun

[01:06:40] My one minor quibble

[01:06:42] I mean, yeah

[01:06:42] I have minor couples here and there but like that my one like minor thing that I kept coming back to with

[01:06:46] Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes that I also sort of had with Anya Taylor

[01:06:49] Joy and Furiosa is that Freya Allen looks too glamorous to have been like a

[01:06:54] Child that was like supposed to be like, you know

[01:07:01] Spoilers for what happens but yeah, yeah, but at the same time like I don't know it's 300 years in the future

[01:07:05] I'm not even sure that like showers exist, you know, that's like crazy thing about that reveal

[01:07:11] Anyway, but yeah, I mean it's so funny like she's so clearly a main character

[01:07:16] It was soon as she shows up like, you know

[01:07:18] It's a big well

[01:07:19] She shows up for the first time like in the end like that night crawling it in the rain and stuff

[01:07:23] But like when they do that later

[01:07:24] redo that like oh the humans are being captured seen from the original and you know in the river and all that stuff it's

[01:07:29] Like everyone else is in literal loincloths and she has a full pants and I think a tank top on

[01:07:36] It's like okay. You're some here's something else that's going on here. Yes. Yeah exactly

[01:07:40] I did have that a little bit with Furiosa when I when Anya Taylor Joy first like shows up and you start

[01:07:45] Seeing her full face. I was like, okay

[01:07:47] This is this is the wasteland where in the post-apocalyptic like everybody's everybody looks like, you know, Elsa Pataki's other character

[01:07:53] Right. Everyone's got tumors and yeah exactly. Yeah, mr. Norton and everybody looks like that

[01:07:58] And then here you are looking like Anya Taylor Joy

[01:08:02] And I think she like, you know gets past that like at a certain point in the movie

[01:08:05] She shaves her head and does all the stuff but and her performance is so good that it like, you know

[01:08:09] You know supersedes that but it is one of those things like when it first shows I was like

[01:08:13] I don't know like Charlize Theron, you know, it still looks like Charlize Theron

[01:08:15] She looks great, but she like had like I don't know. She had like a world weariness to her

[01:08:21] Exactly yeah, and I tell you joy looks like you know, she is a model who is like wearing dirt on her face

[01:08:27] That's sort of what it felt like when she first showed up a little bit

[01:08:30] Yeah, but Freya Allen feels the same way to you. It's what you're saying. Yes, exactly

[01:08:34] Yeah, that was kind of my thing as soon as she shows up. She's like, ah, yes

[01:08:36] So this is a this is the movie star. This is the human

[01:08:39] Yeah, who's in here also William H Macy pops up in the kingdom and that's kind of fun, too

[01:08:44] Oh, yeah, that is so weird. Yes, great. I love it. Yes. And also as the history man actually the history man a recurring character in these films

[01:08:51] But I think the people yearn for an oral tradition. I think

[01:08:56] I mean what what if the twist at the end of all of this is that these two franchises actually take place within the same universe

[01:09:03] They collide. Yeah

[01:09:05] and so the Matt the Mad Max universe just happens to like all be in Australia and in the rest of the world the

[01:09:10] Heavy great pretty good throw that out there. Let's get snow boats. Yeah, that's it's landlocked. Yeah

[01:09:18] All right, I think we can wrap this episode up guys, what do you think I think so? Yeah

[01:09:22] All right, then let's do it Nick

[01:09:24] Thank you so much for joining us once again

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[01:11:05] Which Nick is on deck to be a guest on our jaws 2 episode when we get to it

[01:11:09] So excited about that Nick. Are you a jaws 2 fan? I am a big jaws 2 fan

[01:11:16] I'll save the rest of my thoughts

[01:11:18] I'm excited about that one because I've only seen jaws 2 once when I was maybe like 13 or something

[01:11:23] Whoa, and did not like it

[01:11:25] I was not I was not a fan

[01:11:27] But I like I've heard that there is like a fan base out there people who like jaws 2 and I hope to become one

[01:11:32] Of them when we get to it in the Roy Scheider podcast. I think if you approach it more as a

[01:11:37] Water slasher movie and less of a sequel to jaws. I think that's where it gets a lot better

[01:11:43] So I think if I approach it as Furiosa compared to Fury Road, is that the way to?

[01:11:52] Yeah, but yeah Nick will be on for jaws 2 when we get to it

[01:11:55] We still have some time until we get to that one. We still haven't covered the original jaws

[01:12:00] Relatively, yeah, we we just got we did the French connection recently

[01:12:04] Which we recorded but that episode will be out after this

[01:12:07] So yeah, it'll be a it'll be a little bit but we'll get there

[01:12:10] All right, and that's gonna be it for this week Nick. Once again, thanks for joining us

[01:12:13] Thank you for having me. Yeah, and that is the end of this week's episode of Mike McGonagall to the movies

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