Ep. 40 - The Definite Maybe / No Money Down (1997)

[00:00:00] It's showtime folks! It's on bad hat Harry's. What was the weight of the car when you got it? You're not right or wrong. You just don't care. Benway! Oh sons of bitches. I didn't know. I didn't know.

[00:00:18] And welcome to episode 40 of The Complete Works season 4, a deep dive into career and films of actor Roy Scheider. My name is Mike Smith and joining me on this journey across the Scheiderverse is my friend, co-host and fellow Roy boy, Mike DiCricio. How'd you do today Mike? I'm doing great. How exciting is it that we're on episode 40? That's crazy.

[00:00:44] Yes, we are breaking off another 10 here on The Scheider Podcast and I think this can be our shortest episode yet. What an unfortunate movie to be episode 40 but I think we could cruise right through this. If only there was one movie before this could it like the Rainmaker would have been a fine episode for it. Yeah, that would have been great. Now last week Mike I did start the pod by saying hey we got a real movie this week. Yeah. This week we do not. We do not. We do not. We do not have a real movie. Maybe the least movie we've ever watched.

[00:01:13] This might be the most non-existent film that we've ever talked about. I don't know if people saw my, I guess timeline wise, who knows, podcast time travel, but I recently posted on Blue Sky that this movie had less views on Letterboxd than Assignment Munich which was an unpicked up TV pilot. Yeah. That had 23 logs and this current movie had 16. Yes, and one of them was me because I watched this before you. Yeah, one of them is you. Yeah, exactly.

[00:01:41] So when I watched, so when I went to go log it, it had 15 total logs on Letterboxd. Crazy. Uh, and only two reviews. Uh, three now because I threw a review in there. Are you gonna read your own review? You should. Uh, I probably should but I'm not gonna do that. The, the, the, gotta give people a little extra incentive to follow us online, Mike. That's right. Uh, go there. Uh, but today is sort of a milestone, Mike. Um, because we have finally reached the end of Roy Scheider's 1997.

[00:02:06] Uh, what a, what a whimper to leave 97 on. Exactly. That was of course the year where Roy Scheider really started to appear very frequently in direct to video fair, usually action movies. Now today's film, not an action movie. Uh, it's a comedy. I think it sure thinks it is. Uh, and it's got a pretty solid cast, all things considered. And since Roy Scheider is in it, we've got to talk about the definite maybe. Maybe. Or no money down.

[00:02:37] Uh, that's right. So yeah, the definite maybe also known as no money down is a comedy about two hapless 20 somethings trying to make their way in the world. And Roy Scheider appears for one scene, uh, as Eddie Jacobson, who I think is the stepdad to one of the characters who they asked for money. Sure. Something like that. I don't think they even say, I don't even know. I think he's Ziggy's stepdad is, uh, he's definitely Ziggy something. Yeah, he's Ziggy Stardust. Uh, that, that would be, that's a movie right there.

[00:03:05] So the two guys are Eric Traber played by Josh Lucas, who's also movies like American Psycho and Ang Lee's Hulk and Ziggy played by Jeffrey Buell. Uh, from there, a very eclectic cast of characters. Bob Balaban plays Wolf Rollins, Josh's boss. Terry Garr from Young Frankenstein and Close Encounters plays Deanne Waters, the realtor. SNL's Al Franken plays a vagabond. Sportscaster Dan Patrick appears as himself. Basketball player Alex English plays the premiere. Lark Spees from the TV show Strangers with Candy plays Henry.

[00:03:35] And Ally Sheedy from the Breakfast Club and War Games plays Joanne. So you got some people in this. Yeah, there's definitely people. There, there are definitely people in this movie. The movie was written and directed by Rob Lobel and Sam Sokolow and was released sometime in 1997. Okay. All right. Uh, I cannot find an exact release date for this movie, Mike. Uh, so unfortunately we can't, uh, find out what the box office was for that day specifically. Ugh, tragic.

[00:04:02] Uh, I will tell you the number one highest gross movie of that year, 97. Actually, do you want to take a stab at it, Mike? It's a pretty big one. Lost World. No, uh, Lost World's number two, actually. Damn. What do you think was the number one highest gross movie of, uh, 97? Uh, I don't know. I can't remember. I can't think. Uh, it's Titanic. Titanic. Yeah, of course it was. Yeah. Uh, Titanic was number one. Lost World number two. Uh, then it was Men in Black. Tomorrow Never Dies. Cover it on the red yo pod.

[00:04:28] Uh, Air Force One, As Good As It Gets, Liar Liar, My Best Friend's Wedding, The Fifth Element, and The Full Monty. So those are your top 10 highest grossing films in 1997. Uh, which man, I was, I was kind of looking at that list and being like, there's only like two sequels on this, uh, top 10 list. That's pretty impressive. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. I do, I do know that there's been sort of a, uh, you know, the, one of the canonization of like the good years of movies like 1999 or whatever. Uh, 97 is creeping up in, in that list. I've seen a lot of people talking about actually.

[00:04:58] Yeah. A lot of good movies there. I mean, that's a, what Boogie Nights is also 97, LA Confidential, uh, Lost World Jurassic Park. Really? Stop it. Stop it. Number two. We don't need it anymore than Lost World Jurassic Park. Right. Exactly. If he was a kid in his job and kicked out of his apartment, he fears the worst. But his best friend Ziggy shows up AWOL from the Peace Corps and leads him out to the Swank Hamptons for Easter weekend in search of betterment and understanding.

[00:05:27] Once there, they confront the adult roles of life for the first time. Fraud, attempted murder, two-faced disloyalty, and well-catered cocktail parties. Yeah. All right. Yeah, sure. Why not? Uh, all right. Uh, so Mike going into the definite maybe, uh, what were you expecting from this film and what are your overall thoughts on the movie? Going into it, I didn't have, I was scared basically because I had obviously never heard of this. Seems no one else has. Right.

[00:05:53] It's 16 letterbox, uh, logs and it was impossible to find. Basically it's only available in a VHS rip on YouTube. Yes. Uh, under the title, no money down, I think on YouTube, right? Under the alternate title with the only comment being looks like the wrong movie. And I was like, oh no, like what, what are we going into? Yes. And you know what? Sometimes cause we had to watch, uh, I think listen to me was also on YouTube. I think so. Yeah.

[00:06:19] Going to that, like listen to me had like a surprising amount of views and a lot of comments like for a fairly forgotten eighties movie. Uh, there was a lot of people who were watching, listen to me on YouTube. This was not the case for the definite. Maybe I think the, the viewership number is probably under like 50. Right. It's and, and even like paper lion too, I think was a YouTube watch. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And so anyway, yeah, back, definitely. Maybe when you're watching it, it's got that, uh, vibe of, you know, it's, it's the

[00:06:48] independent cinema boom in the nineties. Right. And, and it, it, it ends up having the vibe of, it seems like somebody wanted to pay, get a paid vacation to bridge Hampton with them and their actor friends. Uh, which like, I guess is fine, you know, like in the, in the grand scheme of things and you, and it has a little bit of that like shaggy improv. I mean, I don't know obviously if they're improvising stuff, but it has that sort of feel. It definitely feels like it. Yeah. It definitely feels like it.

[00:07:15] There's a couple of times there's one scene in particular where Bob Balaban like stumbles over a line, uh, and it's just in the movie. I mean, and it's not like he falls out of character. He just like stumbles and repeats it. Uh, so like it kind of works, but it's like, Oh wait a second. Huh? Interesting. All that to say is that this movie is just like nothing. And that's unfortunate. I don't, it's not, I mean, it's terrible. It's not even like so bad. It's good. So it doesn't have that kind of like, Oh, this is sort of fun in what a kind of train wreck it is.

[00:07:43] Um, it just is like sort of boring. There's a couple of cutaway scenes that are very, like the basketball thing where the guy, the ESPN announcer is himself and like slides in at a frame, like a mighty Python sketch or something, uh, is very funny to, to, to like color commentate this imagined basketball one-on-one basketball game is fun. Uh, Terry Garr is pretty great. Yeah. I don't know. It's like, whatever. I don't know. This is, this is a movie that, uh, we will likely never think about again and that's fine. Uh, yeah, I feel, uh, I think I'm going to struggle with this episode a little bit only

[00:08:10] because I feel like the movie evaporated from my mind, uh, seconds after it ended. Uh, it's, uh, it was truly like, uh, yeah, no, this is, this is maybe the most, uh, I think we said this at the top of the episode, the most non-existent movie we've ever talked about. Uh, it's fun that men in black was in the top 10 that year. Cause it's like we got flashed by the memory thing and men in black. Yeah, exactly. Um, but I think, uh, you know, kind of comparing it to the sort of independent cinema boom of the nineties is a good call. I mean, this is obviously an indie movie, uh, and it was made for very low budget.

[00:08:41] Um, but they were able to get a couple of cool people involved with it, which I think that cast is great. Bob Balaban, Terry Garr, Ali Sheedy. Great. Awesome. Of course. Uh, and, uh, yeah, I think, uh, what this kind of reminds me of, it feels like the filmmakers, uh, watched kicking and screaming and like Noah Baumbach's first movie, um, which would have been like two years before this came out, uh, and tried to make something of a similar vein about like kind of 20 somethings kind of figuring out their life and all that stuff, but maybe on a little wackier scale. Yeah.

[00:09:10] Um, and so there's, you know, elements like the imagined basketball game or things like that, but it just feels like every, everything really falls flat for me. Uh, it just did nothing really worked. I mean, that, that, that is one of the more memorable scenes, the basketball scene. Uh, like that was kind of funny. Everything else. Like I, I like Bob Balban. I liked Terry Garr. I like Ali Sheedy. And it's like, man, none of them are really giving me anything to work with in this film. Is it, is it Eric Stoltz is the guy who with the, with the eye patch in the bar? Do you even remember? Is Eric Stoltz in this movie? Is that Eric Stoltz is my question. I have no idea.

[00:09:40] I did not see him on IMDB. Um, yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if he found a way to scrub all knowledge of his, of his role in this movie. Yeah. Uh, from the internet or something. So I, I, I missed that, but, uh, it might be. I, yeah, I, I did know also, of course, where, like I said, where it's a VHS rip. So low quality, pretty grainy. Uh, and I was just like, that vaguely looks like Eric Stoltz. So I'm deciding it is like, I did no, no attempt to verify or disprove whether or not that's him. And yeah, I don't know.

[00:10:08] It's like, I think the thing with a lot of those nineties independent movies that Noah Baumbach stuff, uh, you know, uh, the link later stuff, even a little bit also like those movies are going for like a, uh, a certain like versatility. Like they were trying to capture like an authentic lo-fi, like this is really what dudes in their twenties or whatever, like is like, uh, and this movie is, has like wacky hijinks in it.

[00:10:32] So it doesn't fit the aesthetic of the movie it's making when you have the real ESPN color commentator guy sliding off screen or whatever, you know, whatever else is going on, going on in this movie. Cause I can barely remember other than like, they're trying to buy their dad's house or something. It's something on his house. Yeah. So at the beginning of the movie, uh, Eric Traber, that character, Josh Lucas, this character like gets fired from his job. He is like behind on his rent.

[00:11:00] Uh, and like the girlfriend of his roommate is like kind of hounding him on that. Right. Or something like that. Or maybe she's the roommate and the, and his friend is like just hanging out or whatever. But, uh, yeah, so he's getting kicked out of his place and he's gotten fired from his job. Uh, and he talks about his best friend Ziggy, uh, who sort of left him to go be in the peace corps, but I guess has left the peace corps or got kicked out of the peace corps. Peace corps or whatever it was. Yeah. Uh, and so Ziggy like shows up one day, uh, and the two of them, yeah, hatch a harebrained scheme to get money essentially.

[00:11:29] Basically. Yeah. I think, I think the, the, the setup at the beginning is that Ziggy of the two best friends, Ziggy is the one who like got his life together and like joined the peace corps and is off doing something grand with his life. And Josh Lucas is, uh, getting fired from his job and kicked out of his apartment. Right. Uh, until you meet Ziggy and he's just like a psycho basically. Um, who's, who's like, yeah, skipped out of the peace corps because his father died.

[00:11:54] And, uh, left him the house or something, but his step or left his stepmother, their house in the Hamptons and Ziggy wants to buy it with the money his father left him. And so they leave the, yeah, like they hatched the scheme to like buy the house out from under their step, his stepmom. Uh, but, and you know, shenanigans ensue or whatever basically. So, but I can't even like really place any specific things that happen other than they tail, they tail Terry Garr or something at one point.

[00:12:21] Yes. Yeah. She's like a realtor who's selling the house. Uh, I think it's, is it Josh Lucas's character who ends up in a relationship with this girl? Um, who like he's popping up at different places. Right. Um, I forget what her name is. Jane maybe, uh, or Jane is the roommate's girlfriend's maybe. Um, yeah, she, cause it's the Hamptons. So she, they keep running into her at stuff in the Hamptons. Right. And it turns out she's married to his ex boss. Right. Big twist. Yes. Uh, and so Bob Balaban comes back into the movie. Uh, yeah, no, there's just a lot going on.

[00:12:51] Uh, but at the same time, nothing going on. There's nothing happening in this movie, but you know what? Roy Scheider is in it. He's in this movie. Very briefly. He's in one scene of this film. And I got to say he's given a pretty good performance. I, I, what? It's not a bad performance, but I don't think 45 seconds is enough to calibrate whether or not good or bad. I think the second Roy Scheider comes in, the movie like picks up a little bit. Okay. All right. I think that's kind of like, as soon as he shows up, there's like some kind of like, I don't know,

[00:13:21] innate gravitas that he has that, uh, you're like, Oh shit. You lean forward at your chair a little bit. Yeah. I don't know. I, and maybe that's just because we've been doing this podcast. So I'm like, you know, trains to pay attention to the Roy Scheider scene or something. Um, but I do think like when he showed up, it was like, Oh man, he's acting circles around everybody in this movie. For sure. Yeah. He's got, yeah. He, he like is a real human, right? Like he's in the movie that the Noah Baumbach version or whatever, you know, like, um, he's not doing some crazy voice or talking a thousand miles a minute. Like, uh,

[00:13:51] Bob Balbin is, is talking very fast and he's this like high powered businessman or whatever, you know, that he's doing. Roy Scheider is just a normal guy that's trying to like help, I guess his stepson. I, I, that makes sense. Cause I was like, who, why is he caring about Ziggy? Like, who is this guy? They keep talking, they keep talking about Ziggy's mother and it kind of felt like Roy Scheider was in a relationship with her in some way. Right. Yeah. No, that makes sense. Um, and he like offers to pay for the house or something. Cause I forget how they, why they lose the money or some shit. I don't know. Some stuff. Yes. Yeah. But they, they go to him, like,

[00:14:21] kind of asking for money and, uh, he does ultimately agree to give them the money, I think. But he like also kind of like makes Ziggy take stock of his life in that moment too. And like, uh, you know, what are you doing with yourself? All that's the end. I don't know. I thought all that was like, cause I think these were all questions that I would be asking myself about Ziggy. Like, what are you, what are you doing with yourself? Yeah. Who are you? Uh, and so when Scheider comes in and is, you know, kind of like the only sort of real feeling person in the movie, I don't know. I think the movie picks up like just a little bit.

[00:14:50] It doesn't like save the movie by any means. He's only in one scene. It's not very long. Um, but when he's there, uh, I think he elevates it. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I'm not, I'm not disagreeing. Uh, just, I didn't feel it, you know, it wasn't there for me. Um, but it definitely feels like he must've like been in the Hamptons that summer or something. He like happened to be around while they were shooting a movie. Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Um, how do you think this fits into the shadow roles I've seen so far, Mike?

[00:15:16] I mean, I guess it harkens back to, you know, stuff like Plato's run or sure. The other, the other direct to video movies. Yeah. From 97 specifically. Right. Yeah. Um, but I think I'm, I'm afraid that this could be the harbinger of many of these movies to come. Uh, I am sort of with you. I am also worried about that. Uh, I do think more of them are action movies than anything else. Okay. Um, so there might be, you know, the occasional movie like this, that's kind of meant to be a comedy or whatever. Um, and so we'll see how those goes, but I feel like, you know,

[00:15:46] like direct to video action movies, maybe they just have like a better hit rate for me than this kind of thing. Cause we did enjoy, I think we all enjoyed to various degrees. Plato's run executive target, the rage and kind of the peacekeeper. Uh, you know, I think we, we had stuff to enjoy about all those movies. Yeah. They were, they at least had really fun stunts for most of them. Right. Yes. So there's that, but I'm, I'm real afraid just like looking at how many of them don't have Wikipedia articles coming up, uh, Wikipedia pages. Um,

[00:16:17] and just kind of like the volume of like the next 10 years, uh, of Scheider's career and life. Um, it's like, oh man, I could foresee lots of single scene. And, and so a lot of them like executive target, he's in one scene at the beginning during the opening credits and then a couple of scenes at the end. Right. And a lot of them are like that where the ones we've watched already, like he's already sort of in them kind of thinly. Uh, and in this he's literally in maybe 90 seconds. Yeah. Uh, like a single scene. So I'm scared that he's just like chalking

[00:16:46] them up, you know? Uh, I mean, I have no, I like no proof and we'll find out, but I, I could at least survive 20 more episodes of the rage. Uh, I don't know about 20 more episodes of definite. Maybe. I think that is a good way to put it, Mike. And I'm hope I'm hopeful, you know, we're in the trenches here. We're going to be doing it. We're doing it. Fingers crossed. Uh, but it's like, oh no, like I didn't even consider that this kind of thing could happen. I was like, oh yeah, he's going to be the one guy that's there for a week or one day or whatever. And he'll be in a

[00:17:16] bunch of, a couple scenes at the beginning, a couple scenes at the end. Uh, but it was like, oh no, like gripping my armchair or the armrests, uh, when I was watching this. So when choosing this season, you saw the highs of sorcerer and jaws and all that jazz. And you're like, this is going to be one of our best seasons. It ends with Punisher. Like, oh man, can't wait. Um, but I didn't know, I don't know what we're going to have to get through to get there.

[00:17:38] Yes. Uh, but we, we've been through worse, Mike, maybe. Um, yeah, we've, we've been through a lot of the Nicholas Cage direct video era. We've had some weird Goldblum one-offs, the, uh, you know, weird, like the Michelle Yeo Netflix stuff that's popped up. Right. Uh, we've been through worse. We're going to get through this. It was fine. I was describing this podcast, uh, to somebody who I was meeting for the first time and had never like, so I was like just describing it. Like I was just offhandedly.

[00:18:08] And we, uh, talk about, uh, you know, every single one of their movies. And she was like, that's a great idea for a podcast. I was like, yeah, no. So we did Nicholas Cage and, uh, we did Jeff Goldblum. And he's like, wow. Yeah. Great. And now we're doing Roy Scheider. Yeah. Yeah. And she's like, I don't know who that is. It's like, okay, well, well, you've seen Jaws. Yeah, of course you've seen Jaws. Uh, it's like, so the podcast is getting more niche, huh? I was like, yeah, you could say that. Um, the best part is by popular vote. So really who's, who's at fault here? The people demanded that, uh, we talk about the definite maybe. Exactly.

[00:18:38] Right. And, uh, yeah. Do you, are there any moments or scenes in this movie that stand out to you in any conceivable way, Mike, uh, that we haven't touched on already? Well, I mean, let's talk about Al Franken. Okay. What, what, what is happening? That's crazy. Remind me what Al Franken's doing. He's the, so after the Josh Lucas. Yeah. Uh, Eric or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Not Ziggy. Uh, when not Ziggy gets fired. It's really just Ziggy and not Ziggy. Yeah. Yeah. Gets fired from his job. There's like a title card.

[00:19:08] And it's like, like Friday, 6 45 AM. And it's him stumbling out of a bar. Um, right after he gets fired. Uh, and he's walking back to his apartment and he walks past a vagrant, I guess. This is his character's name. Uh, a vagabond. Vagabond. That was it. Yeah. Uh, who like stops him. I don't think he asks for money, but he asks like, he's, he's just like a crazy guy in the street who keeps being like, I've been framed. And he holds up like an empty picture frame. Uh, and he like, I just accosts the main guy, main character. Uh, not Ziggy.

[00:19:38] Uh, and he's like, Oh, look, man, I just lost my job. Like, I don't have time for this. He's like, you just lost your job, man. And he's just like, that's crazy. Me too. I've been framed. And he just keeps doing that. Uh, and I was like, is that fucking Al Franken? Is that future Senator Al Franken? Crazy. Um, so that was wild. Yeah. I mean, I think this was at a point, uh, cause Al Franken was mostly known as a writer on SNL. Um, you know, he, uh, worked on it in the seventies and then came back in the nineties.

[00:20:06] Um, but then he, he ended up like not in the cast, but he would have, he had his character. He had Stuart, uh, from Stuart saves his family, Stuart Smalley. Uh, and so there was like a, a brief period in the nineties where it kind of felt like Al Franken was like kind of making a play to be an actor. Uh, was he on like, I don't know, like the Barry Sanders show or something like, like the Larry Sanders show. Yeah. Uh, he, I'm looking at his, he was on one episode of Larry Sanders show. Okay. That's definitely not what I'm thinking of that. Um,

[00:20:34] Um, but yeah, around. Yeah, he was around. I mean, he was, uh, it looks like he was in cone or he wrote cone heads. Okay. Uh, and then, yeah, he was wrote and starred in Stuart saves his family, the SNL movie based on his character, Stuart Smalley. Uh, he had a show called late line, uh, which was like a sitcom that he was the lead of. There was a show, there was a radio show called the Al Franken show. Um, but yeah. And then eventually he decided to pivot into, uh, politics, I guess. And, uh, did that for a while and then didn't.

[00:21:00] Uh, we don't even go into why I think that's the polite way to describe it. Right. Um, but, uh, yeah, no, it is, uh, certainly a weird thing to see Al Franken in this movie, uh, doing that. And he never shows up again. Right. He's in that one scene. Just a vagrant on the street. Yeah. On the street. And who is it that, uh, Ally Sheedy plays? Like what's her role in this movie? You know, you said her name and, uh, I don't, didn't know that she was in this movie. Okay. Fair enough. I know her, I know her character's name is Joanne. I'm wondering if she was maybe was, did,

[00:21:31] Ziggy's or the other guy's mom show up at some point? So I'm wondering if maybe she was her. Oh man. I honestly can't tell you. Okay. Fair enough. Uh, yeah. Again, this movie has completely left our minds and we were watching a pretty grainy version of it on YouTube. So yeah. And there is a couple of scenes of like Hampton's parties, you know, with like rich, right. Tooty people. So she could just be at one of those. She just might be one of the people. Yeah. I don't remember. Fair enough. All right. Any other scenes that stand out to you, Mike, or should we, should this be our shortest episode? I think this should be our shortest episode. You know, 15

[00:22:00] views, go get on, get on the letterbox, log them, watch it on YouTube. Pump those numbers up. That's really it. Yeah. I mean, truly you can, you can, if you want to. And, uh, yeah, I mean, I think us talking about the definite, maybe for a little over 20 minutes, that might be more than anyone's ever talked about this movie. Yeah. There is actually, I just remembered one bit that really made me laugh, uh, where it's there. It's Ziggy and not Ziggy are at the bar and they see Bob Alaban and Terry Garr there, who Terry Garr turns out

[00:22:30] to be Ziggy's something, right? Like he, he knows that. And she's the realtor, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that must be it. And then not Ziggy's like, Oh shit, that's my former boss. What, what are they doing together? We have to follow them. Right. So they follow them. They tell them in the car, Terry Garr goes to her office. Ziggy's like, I'm going to go investigate. And they're at least like, be careful. Don't get like, don't let anyone see you, whatever. Uh, and he's like standing next to a like restaurant door, like on the street, like peering in the window into the realtor office. And

[00:23:00] everybody that walks out of the restaurant knows who's like, it's like a string of like, and it's like seven, it's not seven, but whatever. It's a, but a couple of times where he's like, Oh, I didn't know you were back in town. He's like, yeah. Hey, Mr. What? Like, you know, this, this whole thing. And he gets back in the car and he's like, don't worry. Nobody saw me. And I, I chuckled and that's about as hard as any reactions I got out of a definite baby. I mean, that's, that's a, it's better than no chuckles. You got one chuckle out of this, right?

[00:23:26] Yeah. A couple of something. Uh, all right, let's move on to letterbox reviews. Uh, for indefinite, maybe, uh, there are only two reviews other than mine, uh, on, on letterbox. So we'll read both of them. Uh, here is a review from Vigo. It's a, a half star review, uh, which reads it takes real talent to make a movie with Roy Scheider in it. That sucks this much balls.

[00:23:49] Damn. Yeah. I mean, uh, yeah, fair. Absolutely. And then, uh, the other review here is from lease. It's a one star review, uh, which reads, I watched this on VHS. It was really bad. And that's it. That's all we got. That's it. All right. The people have spoken. So that is the definite maybe slash no money down. You can watch it on YouTube right now. I wouldn't recommend it, but if you're a Roy Scheider completist, uh, which if you're listening to this podcast, there's a stronger than average chance that you are.

[00:24:19] Especially this episode. Yeah. I will be, yeah, we're going to get exactly the number of downloads on this episode that there are views on letterbox for this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. But if you know, if you're a Balaban completionist, if you're a Terry Garr completionist, like, you know, there's options. Apparently Ally Sheedy. Apparently Ally Sheedy's in here somewhere. Yeah. No. And Terry Garr. So great. Young Frankenstein. What a performance. Yeah. After Hours. Wonderful. After Hours. One from the heart. She's in Francis Coppola's One from the heart.

[00:24:49] That's cool. And it's really, it's really terrific in it. Uh, all right. Mike D, where can we find you online this week? You can find me at MD film blog on letterbox and blue sky. You can also donate to support the show on our Kofi page, which is Kofi.com slash Mike and Mike pods, where you can donate $50 and pick a topic of the bonus episodes. Mike and Mike go to the movies. You got a movie you want us to watch. You got a Mike makes Mike white or a, uh, that's, that's the thing I decide for you. Um,

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[00:26:13] I think we're back. Maybe I think we're back. Maybe. Uh, yes. No excited about that one. Ray Y is one of those actors who, if he pops up with like a direct to video thing, I'm like, yeah, that's fine. He just says, he says yes to everything. Uh, he's, he's in all the things he's fantastic. Uh, so yeah, looking forward to, uh, checking that movie out and check out other podcasts. Mike, my go to the movies for all kinds of other movie related stuff, including recent releases, ranked lists, general discussions, and a lot more. Thanks so much for listening guys. And thanks for being a Hollywood insider.