Ep. 23 - The Men's Club (1986) | Rapture Press Network

Finally, a club for men! Roy Scheider stars alongside Harvey Keitel, Frank Langella, Jennifer Jason Leigh and more as we discover that men will literally throw knives, hit up a brothel, and stage a wedding with a sex worker rather than go to therapy.

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[00:00:18] Hello and welcome to episode 23 of The Complete Works season 4,

[00:00:27] a deep dive into the career and films of actor Roy Scheider.

[00:00:31] My name is Mike Smith and joining me on this journey across the Scheiderverse

[00:00:35] is my friend, co-host and fellow Roy boy.

[00:00:37] Mike's Tree Ship.

[00:00:38] How you doing today Mike?

[00:00:39] I'm doing just swell.

[00:00:41] I'm happy to report our podcast time travel this week as we're recording this,

[00:00:46] our Tiger Town episode just went up on the feed.

[00:00:49] Yes.

[00:00:49] And I mentioned to my dad like, oh yeah, did you know Roy Scheider?

[00:00:53] Was it the first Disney movie thing or whatever?

[00:00:56] Disney Channel original movie, yeah.

[00:00:57] Yeah, right. Yeah, TM.

[00:00:58] And he was like, I think I saw that. I think I've seen that.

[00:01:02] And I was like, what?

[00:01:03] And he's like, yeah, it's gonna be like a baseball player or something.

[00:01:06] And I was like, what the? Like falling out of my chair.

[00:01:08] How does like, how do you remember this movie, this forgotten movie, TV movie from 1983 or whatever?

[00:01:14] Yeah, that's fantastic.

[00:01:15] While doing research for Tiger Town, I did find an old promo for the movie with that's introduced by it's like a couple of years after it came out.

[00:01:23] It was like 86.

[00:01:24] And it's Michael Eisner and Mickey Mouse and Goofy like two costumes like Mickey Mouse and Goofy are playing baseball.

[00:01:31] And Michael Eisner comes out and he's like, oh, I'm here to tell you about this new this movie Tiger, which was pretty fun to see.

[00:01:36] Also, since you mentioned this, you know, as of this recording, the Yankees are currently in game four of the World Series.

[00:01:42] And friend of the show, producer Colin is there.

[00:01:46] He is there at the World Series game, presumably because he thinks he is the kid in Tiger Town who will help the Yankees win the World Series.

[00:01:55] Just believe hard enough, producer Colin, and you can change history.

[00:01:59] Yeah, which is pretty cool.

[00:02:00] So, yeah, congrats to producer Colin for getting in on that.

[00:02:02] That's amazing.

[00:02:04] And we will know that the World Series will be long over by the time this episode actually comes out.

[00:02:09] Yeah.

[00:02:09] So who knows?

[00:02:10] Maybe something crazy happened or maybe it didn't.

[00:02:13] Something crazy might happen and the World Series might be over before we're done recording this episode also.

[00:02:18] Because it is game four and Yankees have to win or it's over.

[00:02:21] So that is very true.

[00:02:23] So we will see what happens there.

[00:02:25] But today, Mike, we are not doing Tiger Town Part 2.

[00:02:28] That's not even a movie that exists.

[00:02:31] It's Tiger Town 2, the playoffs.

[00:02:34] Yes.

[00:02:34] Because remember, that movie ends at the end of the regular season.

[00:02:38] Right.

[00:02:38] That's true.

[00:02:39] So you have to do a whole trilogy where two is the playoffs and then three is the World Series, right?

[00:02:43] Exactly.

[00:02:44] Yes.

[00:02:44] Correct.

[00:02:44] Okay.

[00:02:45] So in the Tiger Town legacy sequel that is inevitably brought up on Disney Plus.

[00:02:48] Yeah.

[00:02:49] That's maybe the direction they could go in.

[00:02:51] But, you know, Mike, on season two of this podcast, way back in the day, we talked about Jeff Goldblum in Lawrence Kasdan's The Big Chill, which is a large ensemble comedy drama about a group of middle-aged friends going through their own kind of personal crises after the death of their friend.

[00:03:06] I'm kind of a fan of The Big Chill.

[00:03:07] You were kind of lukewarm on that one, if I recall right.

[00:03:10] Yeah.

[00:03:10] I remember just kind of being annoyed at these rich boomers plotting their white-collar crimes and feeling sad about it.

[00:03:19] Shut the fuck up.

[00:03:20] You know?

[00:03:21] It's how I felt.

[00:03:22] Good music, though.

[00:03:23] Yeah.

[00:03:23] I mean, hey, they're playing the Rolling Stones.

[00:03:24] You're having a good time.

[00:03:26] So I bring that movie up because ensemble movies that were largely just people talking had become a sort of popular subgenre in the 80s.

[00:03:34] And in 1985, we had a very notable example of that that became a huge hit, The Breakfast Club.

[00:03:39] Right.

[00:03:40] You know, which obviously a younger generation in that movie, but still large group of people hanging out.

[00:03:44] All they're doing is talking.

[00:03:45] In 1981, author Leonard Michaels published his first novel about a group of men gathering together to discuss their lives and their attitudes towards everything in them, including women.

[00:03:56] And in 1986, Leonard Michaels adapted his book into a screenplay.

[00:04:00] And after The Big Chill and The Breakfast Club became big hits, that book got picked up by a studio.

[00:04:05] Some big names got involved and it got adapted to film.

[00:04:08] And since Roy Scheider is in it, we've got to talk about The Men's Club.

[00:04:13] For every woman who ever loved a man.

[00:04:17] For every man who ever had a secret.

[00:04:21] Sarah and I were arguing three months after we were married.

[00:04:24] That's all there was nothing but pain at home and anger in me.

[00:04:28] If I made it with another woman, it would degrade him.

[00:04:31] What if you didn't tell her?

[00:04:33] She'd get sick.

[00:04:36] Thing is, you have to keep a record.

[00:04:38] I have had 622 women.

[00:04:42] Personally, I prefer courtship.

[00:04:44] There was a woman who used to like to taste my food in restaurants.

[00:04:49] I went out with her for months.

[00:04:51] I almost married her.

[00:04:52] I understood then the whole problem with our marriage.

[00:04:56] She doesn't like me.

[00:04:58] But I've been sitting here and I've been listening.

[00:05:01] My stories are obscene.

[00:05:02] You don't have to like our stories.

[00:05:04] Thank you, but I was afraid I had to like them.

[00:05:07] Man to man, you know, really talk.

[00:05:10] Except a woman comes along and it's every man for himself.

[00:05:13] She's waiting for my call.

[00:05:15] I can feel it.

[00:05:16] She's waiting for it.

[00:05:17] How long has it been since you spoke to her?

[00:05:19] Five years.

[00:05:20] That's your love story?

[00:05:22] For me, one woman makes another woman necessary.

[00:05:25] Do I remind you of your wife?

[00:05:28] Not yet.

[00:05:30] Complain about something.

[00:05:31] You wouldn't be jealous if she made it with another guy?

[00:05:34] No, man.

[00:05:36] I'm liberated.

[00:05:39] I don't feel anything.

[00:05:41] I just like being analyzed, Kramer.

[00:05:42] I'm not one of your patients.

[00:05:43] I thought you were my friend.

[00:05:45] Maybe I was wrong about you.

[00:05:46] Maybe I ought to kick your...

[00:05:49] I live only for peak experiences.

[00:06:11] A wonderful club.

[00:06:12] This is a wonderful club.

[00:06:18] It all begins after they kiss their wives goodnight.

[00:06:42] So speaking of Tigertown, Roy Scheider plays Cavanaugh in the men's club,

[00:06:46] of a retired baseball star,

[00:06:49] now working as a college professor who loves to cheat on his wife.

[00:06:53] This could be an unofficial sequel to Tigertown, actually, Mike.

[00:06:56] I think so.

[00:06:57] Yeah, I think there is one of those things where he drops his stats at the beginning of the movie.

[00:07:03] He's like, yeah, 320 lifetime average, a World Series ring, whatever.

[00:07:06] And they're very close to the actual stats from Tigertown, I think.

[00:07:09] Yeah, it was over 300 was the same thing.

[00:07:11] I think the Tigertown, he didn't have a World Series yet,

[00:07:13] but that was like the point of that movie.

[00:07:15] But it's not a lot of times, but it's weird that it happened twice.

[00:07:19] You know?

[00:07:19] You know, like that it's...

[00:07:20] Oh, the stats, he says he's one of the best hitters of all time.

[00:07:23] Right.

[00:07:23] And he's a retired baseball player for retiring.

[00:07:26] I think you can assume that they did win the World Series,

[00:07:28] and then, you know, after Tigertown, he retired,

[00:07:32] became professor at this university,

[00:07:34] and now she's on his wife all the time.

[00:07:35] Yeah.

[00:07:36] Defining only characteristic about this guy.

[00:07:38] Right.

[00:07:38] And most of these characters, in fact.

[00:07:40] He gets his pal, Philip, to join him at the men's club.

[00:07:43] Philip is played by David Dukes, not David Duke.

[00:07:47] Gotta have the worst time of his life.

[00:07:49] Every time.

[00:07:50] Not that one.

[00:07:51] No relation.

[00:07:52] Not KKK leader David Duke.

[00:07:55] Other guy.

[00:07:55] David Dukes.

[00:07:56] Plural.

[00:07:57] Although it's just one guy.

[00:07:58] Yeah.

[00:07:59] From there, Richard Jordan, from films like Logan's Run

[00:08:02] and The Hunt for Red October, plays Kramer, the therapist.

[00:08:05] Harvey Keitel plays Solly Berliner.

[00:08:07] Frank Langella plays Harold Canterbury, the guy whose wife just left him.

[00:08:11] Craig Wasson from Brian De Palma's Body Double, plays Paul.

[00:08:14] And Treat Williams from Prince of the City and Once Upon a Time in America,

[00:08:18] plays Terry.

[00:08:19] And then there's the women of the picture.

[00:08:22] It's not just a men's club.

[00:08:23] There are, in fact, women in this movie.

[00:08:24] Turns out.

[00:08:25] Stockard Channing, who is Rizzo in Grease.

[00:08:28] She plays Nancy, Kramer's wife.

[00:08:30] Jennifer Jason Leigh, who had just broken out a few years earlier

[00:08:33] in Fast Times Ridgemont High, covered in season one of this podcast.

[00:08:36] She plays Teensy, one of the sex workers who hooks up with Frank Langella.

[00:08:40] Anne Wedgworth from Three's Company, plays Joe, the madam of the brothel,

[00:08:44] who also carries around a ventriloquist dummy, which disguises a gun.

[00:08:48] An almost unexplained ventriloquist dummy.

[00:08:51] Yes, until the very end of the movie.

[00:08:53] Yeah.

[00:08:54] Chekhov's dummy.

[00:08:55] I like that no one questions the ventriloquist dummy.

[00:08:57] No one ever, like, thinks to themselves,

[00:08:59] this is a strange thing for a person to carry around.

[00:09:02] No follow-up questions, Your Honor.

[00:09:03] Exactly.

[00:09:04] Cindy Pickett, Ferris Bueller's mother, plays Hannah.

[00:09:07] Playboy Playmate Penny Baker plays Lake.

[00:09:10] Gwen Wells, who appeared in three Jeff Goldblum movies over the years, Mike.

[00:09:14] Do you remember these movies?

[00:09:14] Nah, not a chance.

[00:09:16] Okay, Gwen Wells was in California Split, Nashville, and Between the Lines.

[00:09:19] She plays the redhead that Harvey Keitel hooks up with early in the movie.

[00:09:23] Yes.

[00:09:23] Does that ring any bells for you at all?

[00:09:25] It's all coming together now.

[00:09:26] Okay, yes, great.

[00:09:27] And then finally, we actually have a Jaws 2 reunion here, Mike.

[00:09:30] Anne Duesenberry, who plays Tina Wilcox in Jaws 2,

[00:09:34] the girl that Roy Scheider's kid had a crush on in Jaws 2,

[00:09:37] plays Paige, the sex worker that Roy Scheider hooks up with in this movie.

[00:09:41] You know what?

[00:09:42] That's weird.

[00:09:45] That is weird.

[00:09:46] And to Roy Scheider's credit, he did once comment,

[00:09:49] that was weird.

[00:09:51] Yeah, all right.

[00:09:52] At least I'm glad he acknowledged it.

[00:09:53] It's like, huh, that's an odd thing that happened.

[00:09:56] You know, maybe that speaks to the kinds of roles available to women in Hollywood

[00:10:00] and that are available to men in Hollywood and how people like Scheider

[00:10:02] stick around and women don't as much.

[00:10:05] I don't know, whatever it is.

[00:10:06] In any case, a weird Jaws 2 reunion happening in the men's club.

[00:10:11] The men's club was written by Leonard Michaels based on his book

[00:10:14] and directed by Peter Medak, who also directed the horror movie The Changeling

[00:10:18] with George C. Scott, which I've not seen The Changeling,

[00:10:21] but I've always heard great things.

[00:10:23] I've heard it's really good.

[00:10:23] It's really good.

[00:10:24] It's intense.

[00:10:25] I love it.

[00:10:25] I love a, like a, you know, very serious actor,

[00:10:29] like George C. Scott turning, like given in like a real powerful horror movie turn.

[00:10:33] Sure.

[00:10:34] Yeah.

[00:10:34] Which also, Exorcist 3, same deal.

[00:10:36] Exactly.

[00:10:36] Great movie.

[00:10:37] The men's club was released on September 19th, 1986,

[00:10:41] where it opened to number nine at the box office,

[00:10:44] opening to number 13, David Lynch's Blue Velvet that same weekend.

[00:10:49] That's crazy.

[00:10:50] Yes.

[00:10:51] This movie made more money.

[00:10:54] I think this opened in a lot more screens than Blue Velvet did.

[00:10:57] That's crazy that this movie opened in a lot of screens.

[00:11:01] That's crazy that this movie was allowed to exist.

[00:11:04] Yes.

[00:11:05] What the fuck?

[00:11:06] The number one movie that weekend was Top Gun,

[00:11:10] which was number one in its 19th week at the box office.

[00:11:13] Jesus Christ.

[00:11:15] Highest gross movie of that year.

[00:11:16] The rest of the top 10 consisted of Stand By Me,

[00:11:20] The Karate Kid Part 2,

[00:11:21] The Fly, featured on the Jeff Goldblum podcast,

[00:11:24] Nothing in Common, Aliens, Ruthless People,

[00:11:27] Back to School, and Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

[00:11:29] 1986, good year for movies.

[00:11:31] That's a lot of bangers right there.

[00:11:33] Yeah.

[00:11:34] Nine out of ten are pretty good.

[00:11:38] And then there's the men's club.

[00:11:40] And there's also the men's club.

[00:11:42] The IMD plot synopsis for the men's club reads,

[00:11:45] A group of men get together to form a discussion group.

[00:11:48] They share their feelings about women, life, love, and work.

[00:11:52] The party gets rowdier and rowdier,

[00:11:54] and then the wife returns home.

[00:11:56] Thrown out, the men are not yet willing to call it a night.

[00:12:00] Okay.

[00:12:01] So Mike D, you've hinted at your thoughts about this movie already.

[00:12:06] Yes.

[00:12:08] It sounds like you're not a big fan of the men's club,

[00:12:10] and I'm curious as to why.

[00:12:12] I mean, I'll make it clear.

[00:12:13] I was also not a big fan of the men's club.

[00:12:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:12:16] But I'm curious because this is a movie that ostensibly,

[00:12:19] I think we generally enjoy,

[00:12:22] here's guys being dudes, that kind of thing.

[00:12:24] The hangout movie.

[00:12:26] The boys are back in town.

[00:12:27] I love movies that are about people just hanging out,

[00:12:31] talking, going through their feelings, all that kind of stuff.

[00:12:34] Like I said, I liked The Big Chill a lot more than you did.

[00:12:36] I like Breakfast Club.

[00:12:37] I like those movies.

[00:12:39] And the men's club, man, just did not work for me.

[00:12:41] But I'm curious why it didn't work for you.

[00:12:42] One of the top reviews on Letterboxd for this movie is some fucking red pill bullshit,

[00:12:48] being like, well, I can't wait to see the woke's reaction to it.

[00:12:51] And I'm so mad that that's one of the top rated things.

[00:12:55] It makes you feel better.

[00:12:57] My Letterboxd review for this movie got three likes,

[00:12:59] and now I'm in the popular reviews section.

[00:13:02] Okay, good.

[00:13:03] Because the movie isn't even egregious in that regard.

[00:13:08] I mean, it is obviously a movie in the mid-'80s with guys talking about how much,

[00:13:15] literally saying I hate my wife a thousand times in this movie,

[00:13:18] and then all of them cheating on their wives, almost all of them or whatever.

[00:13:22] Actually, no, I think all of them do.

[00:13:24] I don't think Philip does ultimately, right?

[00:13:25] Does he?

[00:13:26] The one who's kind of chastising Roy Scheider for like,

[00:13:28] why did you even bring me here?

[00:13:29] Yeah.

[00:13:30] He pretends to call Scheider's wife at one point,

[00:13:33] or he's calling his own wife to let her know that Scheider is cheating on his wife

[00:13:36] and that they're in a brothel.

[00:13:38] Yeah.

[00:13:38] I don't remember if he does, because he's speaking French.

[00:13:41] She might not actually have sex with that woman,

[00:13:45] but he holds the vibrator for her and all that stuff, right?

[00:13:48] There's that whole scene.

[00:13:50] It's the guy from Body Double, who I don't know if he does.

[00:13:54] Okay, I think he probably does.

[00:13:56] I think Philip is the professor guy that Roy Scheider is friends with.

[00:13:58] I don't think he ever actually does.

[00:14:01] Yes, maybe.

[00:14:01] I don't remember.

[00:14:02] There's a lot of guys.

[00:14:03] He's the one guy who seems like genuinely kind of like his wife.

[00:14:05] Exactly, yeah.

[00:14:07] But anyway, it's like not even about that is my reaction to it.

[00:14:11] Because I think, you know, it's one of those,

[00:14:13] there's a lot of criticism or things put forth nowadays that like,

[00:14:17] you know, media literacy is so bad that we need characters to turn to the camera

[00:14:21] and say, I disagree with these actions.

[00:14:23] You know, that whole shtick.

[00:14:24] Yeah.

[00:14:25] We can have flawed characters,

[00:14:27] and we know that they're not the like worldview of the people or whatever,

[00:14:31] of the actors and the filmmakers and stuff.

[00:14:33] So I'm fine with that.

[00:14:34] I'm fine with watching dudes who suck shit destroy their own lives also,

[00:14:39] you know, kind of by the end of this movie.

[00:14:40] Many of my favorite movies fit that description actually.

[00:14:42] Exactly, right?

[00:14:44] But there is something like on a weirdly technical level

[00:14:47] that is just missing from this movie.

[00:14:50] There's something that doesn't work.

[00:14:52] There's multiple scenes that are just straight up out of focus.

[00:14:55] Like to get two people sitting on a bed talking,

[00:14:57] neither of them are really in focus.

[00:15:00] And I don't think that's like a artistic choice.

[00:15:03] It doesn't seem to be.

[00:15:05] The camera is like always moving, basically.

[00:15:08] Like other than the moments which this movie has a lot of

[00:15:10] where the people are just direct to camera,

[00:15:13] like, you know, to center frame direct to camera,

[00:15:15] which that's deployed pretty interestingly or whatever.

[00:15:19] I'm okay with that for the first half of the movie

[00:15:21] because it's like guys telling stories, right?

[00:15:23] It's a very theatrical single room,

[00:15:27] six guys getting drunk and smoking cigarettes,

[00:15:31] telling stories or whatever.

[00:15:32] It's like, I'm okay.

[00:15:32] Like they're going to tell the story direct to the camera and stuff

[00:15:34] because that's interesting.

[00:15:37] But other than that,

[00:15:38] the camera is always like circling somebody

[00:15:41] or it's always like, it's not really a dolly zoom,

[00:15:43] but it's like zooming in and zooming out

[00:15:45] and like all this stuff that is just like,

[00:15:47] you can almost feel the filmmakers being like,

[00:15:50] hmm, this is guys sitting around a table.

[00:15:52] How do we make it look like there's stuff going on?

[00:15:54] And they're just like, I don't know,

[00:15:55] we'll just go in a circle or whatever.

[00:15:57] And there's, I don't know why that works sometimes, right?

[00:16:00] Like when Tarantino does it in Reservoir Dogs

[00:16:03] or all of his movies,

[00:16:05] it's the fucking coolest shit I've ever seen, right?

[00:16:06] I don't know like why just one continuous dolly

[00:16:09] in a circle around the table for 15 minutes in Reservoir,

[00:16:12] the beginning of Reservoir Dogs and I'm locked in.

[00:16:15] But we do it in this movie for 30 seconds

[00:16:17] and I'm like, all right, calm down.

[00:16:19] You know, I don't know what the difference is.

[00:16:21] Maybe it's the thing, like the literal dialogue,

[00:16:25] like the stuff they're saying in Reservoir Dogs

[00:16:27] is more interesting and more engaging

[00:16:29] and stylized and fun.

[00:16:31] Sure.

[00:16:31] And this is just old dudes talking about

[00:16:34] how much they hate their wives, right?

[00:16:35] And that's just not engaging.

[00:16:37] So I'm like, okay, calm down.

[00:16:39] So yeah, there's all that.

[00:16:41] And I think this movie is definitely in two halves, right?

[00:16:44] There's two locations basically,

[00:16:46] the house and then the brothel.

[00:16:48] And I think the house for all the annoying shit

[00:16:51] like I was just talking about,

[00:16:52] I think it's pretty good.

[00:16:53] I was like pretty into this group of guys

[00:16:56] having their man, talking man to man, right?

[00:16:58] Like that they keep talking about,

[00:16:59] like this idealized thing they think they're doing

[00:17:02] and then not being able to access their emotions

[00:17:05] in any meaningful way so they can't do that.

[00:17:08] And ends with them just destroying that guy's house,

[00:17:10] which is pretty fun.

[00:17:11] So like, I don't know, they're all fun.

[00:17:12] That whole segment up until they leave

[00:17:14] to go to the brothel, I was kind of like,

[00:17:16] this is flawed, I'm not super into it,

[00:17:18] but like I'm kind of here,

[00:17:19] the performances are good, whatever, it's interesting.

[00:17:21] And then they go to the brothel and it's just like,

[00:17:24] boom, slam the, hit the wall, slam the brakes.

[00:17:26] And I'm just like, I'm not down.

[00:17:27] I'm not interested anymore.

[00:17:29] This is weird and sad now.

[00:17:32] So yeah, it's just no good.

[00:17:34] No good dirty, rotten movie basically.

[00:17:36] Yeah.

[00:17:36] I mean, weird and sad might be what the movie is going for.

[00:17:39] I think so.

[00:17:40] Yeah.

[00:17:41] I think so.

[00:17:42] Especially like we were saying,

[00:17:42] they basically all acknowledge

[00:17:44] they've destroyed their lives or whatever, basically.

[00:17:46] But yeah, I don't know.

[00:17:48] There's just some, there's,

[00:17:49] there's something missing once they go to the brothel

[00:17:52] or something changes that doesn't feel right anymore

[00:17:54] when they go to the brothel.

[00:17:55] And that's why I was shocked that this movie

[00:17:58] was even in the top 10 and had any kind of profile at all.

[00:18:00] It seems like it would be one of these,

[00:18:01] like Tiger Town, completely forgotten history artifacts.

[00:18:05] But no, it seems like it was at least for a week,

[00:18:08] mildly successful.

[00:18:10] Yeah.

[00:18:10] No, I mean, I'd say mildly might even be generous,

[00:18:13] you know, but still, yeah, no,

[00:18:15] I think I'm kind of exactly right there with you, Mike.

[00:18:18] I think the first half is not, I didn't love it,

[00:18:21] but I was at least a little bit engaged.

[00:18:23] I think that like you have these really great actors

[00:18:25] kind of just kind of doing monologues for the most part.

[00:18:28] And some of them are pretty good.

[00:18:30] Like some of them are pretty interesting monologues.

[00:18:31] I think the movie opens with Roy Scheider

[00:18:33] looking directly into the camera

[00:18:35] and telling a story about this woman that,

[00:18:37] you know, he ran into,

[00:18:39] like he had been kicked out by his wife.

[00:18:41] They were separated at the time.

[00:18:42] And so this is before you know

[00:18:43] that he's like a serial cheater and everything.

[00:18:44] So you don't know that he's the worst person

[00:18:46] in the world yet.

[00:18:47] And so, you know,

[00:18:48] he talks about when they were separated

[00:18:49] and he runs into this woman

[00:18:50] and they have this encounter

[00:18:51] and they sleep together.

[00:18:53] And then when he leaves,

[00:18:54] he says like, I'm going to call you.

[00:18:55] But then he realizes afterwards,

[00:18:56] I don't know her name

[00:18:57] and I don't know her number.

[00:18:59] And so he like goes back to the grocery store

[00:19:01] every day for like a week

[00:19:02] to try to find her and never does.

[00:19:04] And that sort of thing

[00:19:05] that kind of haunts him to this day.

[00:19:07] And that's like how the movie starts

[00:19:09] is him giving this like, you know,

[00:19:10] five minute monologue

[00:19:11] directly straight to the camera.

[00:19:12] And then it's the opening credits.

[00:19:14] And I think that does set the tone

[00:19:15] for what the movie is going to be.

[00:19:17] And I think when I saw that,

[00:19:19] that first five minutes,

[00:19:20] I was pretty into it.

[00:19:21] I think that opening scene,

[00:19:22] I think is very, very good.

[00:19:23] And Roy Scheider,

[00:19:24] giving a great performance,

[00:19:26] I think throughout this movie,

[00:19:27] he's really, really great in the movie.

[00:19:30] Despite how I feel about the movie,

[00:19:31] I think he's great.

[00:19:32] And I think everybody's very good in it.

[00:19:34] I think they all are.

[00:19:34] Yeah.

[00:19:35] Scheider is like especially like killing it.

[00:19:36] I think he's great.

[00:19:37] Yeah.

[00:19:37] I also really like,

[00:19:39] uh,

[00:19:39] Franklin Angela is great.

[00:19:40] Uh,

[00:19:41] I don't remember his name,

[00:19:41] the therapist guy.

[00:19:43] Oh,

[00:19:43] Richard Kramer or Kramer is the character.

[00:19:46] Richard Jordan.

[00:19:47] Yeah.

[00:19:47] He's really great too.

[00:19:48] Yes.

[00:19:48] And he gets knocked out of the movie early.

[00:19:50] Uh,

[00:19:51] he devastating,

[00:19:52] literally not like his wife hits him with a tea kettle or whatever.

[00:19:56] And the,

[00:19:57] the amount of blood that was coming out of his head was,

[00:20:00] uh,

[00:20:00] was pretty wild.

[00:20:01] He no shells that were so good.

[00:20:03] That is like amazing.

[00:20:05] Yeah.

[00:20:05] Yes.

[00:20:06] So,

[00:20:06] yeah,

[00:20:06] but I agree with you.

[00:20:07] I think all the,

[00:20:07] all the performances are solid.

[00:20:09] I think there's just something's not working,

[00:20:11] you know?

[00:20:11] Yeah.

[00:20:11] And I,

[00:20:12] and I think it is like,

[00:20:12] it's meant to be,

[00:20:13] uh,

[00:20:14] this sort of examination of,

[00:20:15] of masculinity.

[00:20:16] I mean,

[00:20:17] the,

[00:20:17] the phrase toxic masculinity wasn't really a thing in 1986,

[00:20:19] but like,

[00:20:20] you know,

[00:20:21] it's sort of is about that,

[00:20:22] right?

[00:20:22] It's sort of about,

[00:20:23] yeah.

[00:20:23] I mean,

[00:20:23] a hundred percent.

[00:20:24] It's like about like how men relate to each other and how they relate to

[00:20:27] women and how like,

[00:20:28] you know,

[00:20:28] these sort of self tortured ideals that they kind of,

[00:20:31] uh,

[00:20:32] impart upon themselves and all that stuff.

[00:20:34] Uh,

[00:20:34] and I,

[00:20:35] I do wonder if just something is lost in translation between the book and

[00:20:38] the film.

[00:20:38] Uh,

[00:20:38] I,

[00:20:39] I,

[00:20:39] I will say,

[00:20:40] uh,

[00:20:40] Mike Emmons,

[00:20:40] uh,

[00:20:41] also a friend of the podcast.

[00:20:42] Uh,

[00:20:42] he had this,

[00:20:43] he had this movie on his want to watch list and letterboxed.

[00:20:46] Uh,

[00:20:47] in like my friends list.

[00:20:48] I was like,

[00:20:48] Oh,

[00:20:49] people that I know who have seen this movie or people that I follow who

[00:20:51] have seen it.

[00:20:52] Uh,

[00:20:52] and there were two people I follow who had actually seen it.

[00:20:55] They both given it one star.

[00:20:57] And then there is Mike Emmons in the want to watch category.

[00:21:00] And he commented on my review saying,

[00:21:02] Oh man,

[00:21:02] the novel this is based on is really good.

[00:21:04] And I,

[00:21:05] I assume that's why he wanted to put it in the want to watch thing.

[00:21:08] Uh,

[00:21:09] so yeah,

[00:21:09] I,

[00:21:10] I,

[00:21:10] I do wonder if something is maybe like lost in translation in terms of

[00:21:12] its examination and those kinds of themes.

[00:21:14] Uh,

[00:21:14] but I do think it's,

[00:21:15] it's pretty successful in exploring that stuff for the first half of the

[00:21:19] movie.

[00:21:19] Yes.

[00:21:20] Uh,

[00:21:20] and it still is exploring that stuff at the brothel,

[00:21:23] but I think it's just a lot less interesting.

[00:21:25] Um,

[00:21:26] you know,

[00:21:26] as opposed to just like having these great actors,

[00:21:28] uh,

[00:21:29] kind of talk out their problems with each other at a table.

[00:21:31] Instead,

[00:21:32] now we're having them,

[00:21:33] I don't know,

[00:21:34] just fool around with women for like 40 minutes.

[00:21:36] Uh,

[00:21:36] and you know,

[00:21:38] it's,

[00:21:38] it's whatever.

[00:21:39] Yeah.

[00:21:40] Yeah.

[00:21:40] I mean,

[00:21:40] it does have the energy injection of like Jennifer Jason Lee walks on

[00:21:44] screen and she's great in the movie,

[00:21:45] but otherwise it's the brothel stuff feels very superfluous to the rest of it.

[00:21:49] Yeah.

[00:21:50] The only person that really feels like they have an arc through the brothel

[00:21:55] stuff is Frank Langella's character.

[00:21:57] Right.

[00:21:58] Who's like also potentially within the context of the movie,

[00:22:02] the only one who's single,

[00:22:04] right?

[00:22:05] He's single by like his wife has left him.

[00:22:06] Yeah.

[00:22:06] The movie opens or one of the first things you see is,

[00:22:09] like Frank Langella comes home to like a completely empty house.

[00:22:12] Yeah.

[00:22:12] Uh,

[00:22:13] and he's kind of just confused and walking through and,

[00:22:16] uh,

[00:22:16] he gets to the kitchen and like the dog is still there and it's eating the

[00:22:20] tuna that was left out for him.

[00:22:22] Uh,

[00:22:23] and,

[00:22:23] uh,

[00:22:23] there's like a note on the dog's collar telling him that,

[00:22:26] his wife from his wife telling,

[00:22:27] him that she's leaving him.

[00:22:28] Yeah.

[00:22:29] It's just,

[00:22:29] she's left him.

[00:22:30] So,

[00:22:31] you know,

[00:22:31] he's the only one that like is sort of guilt free,

[00:22:33] uh,

[00:22:34] in the brothel once he sort of realizes that,

[00:22:36] right.

[00:22:36] There's like,

[00:22:37] he,

[00:22:37] he wants nothing to do with this really,

[00:22:38] even though he's the one that bring them there.

[00:22:40] Right.

[00:22:40] He's trying to be one of the cool guys.

[00:22:42] Right.

[00:22:42] Cause up until then he's not been partaking necessarily in the men's club ethos or

[00:22:47] whatever.

[00:22:48] And he's only there because his friend invited him to the men's club and his

[00:22:52] friend died before the,

[00:22:53] uh,

[00:22:54] like the week before the meeting.

[00:22:55] Yeah.

[00:22:56] Uh,

[00:22:56] and so,

[00:22:57] and it's all news to everybody there,

[00:22:59] including Harvey Keitel,

[00:23:00] who was friends with this guy.

[00:23:01] Yeah.

[00:23:01] But so once he starts talking to Jennifer Jason Lee and he,

[00:23:05] and whatever she's doing her sex worker thing and,

[00:23:08] making him comfortable and he kind of like realizes like,

[00:23:10] Oh,

[00:23:10] like she starts talking about his wife and how she's like left him and all

[00:23:13] this stuff.

[00:23:14] And then he's kind of like,

[00:23:15] Oh,

[00:23:16] well,

[00:23:16] okay,

[00:23:16] actually I'm into this.

[00:23:17] Um,

[00:23:17] and then for the rest of the movie,

[00:23:19] he's like got his shirt off and his suspenders and he's like all,

[00:23:22] you know,

[00:23:23] King shit now,

[00:23:23] uh,

[00:23:24] which is pretty funny.

[00:23:24] But then everybody else is like destroying their lives or just completely

[00:23:28] unraveling.

[00:23:28] Um,

[00:23:29] so it is pretty weird.

[00:23:31] And,

[00:23:31] uh,

[00:23:32] and yeah,

[00:23:32] I think,

[00:23:32] I think potentially in a novel,

[00:23:36] uh,

[00:23:36] where you can,

[00:23:37] you know,

[00:23:38] expound on the inner thoughts and,

[00:23:39] and,

[00:23:40] uh,

[00:23:40] other connections and all this stuff.

[00:23:42] Maybe these explorations feel more complete,

[00:23:45] uh,

[00:23:46] in that section of the,

[00:23:47] of the story.

[00:23:47] I don't know,

[00:23:48] but I think the house stuff is pretty good.

[00:23:50] Like the actual meeting of the men's club,

[00:23:51] they all think they're going to be doing this thing and the,

[00:23:53] the way they're going to,

[00:23:54] I forget what the,

[00:23:55] that phrase that he's keeps saying,

[00:23:57] uh,

[00:23:57] but he keep man to man,

[00:23:58] right.

[00:23:59] And that whole thing and right.

[00:24:00] Opening it up and exploring,

[00:24:01] you know,

[00:24:02] their feelings and stuff.

[00:24:03] And then really it just devolves into like Lord of the fly shit,

[00:24:06] right.

[00:24:06] They just like destroy the house,

[00:24:07] eat all the food and drink all the wine and like all this stuff that his

[00:24:10] wife has set out for her woman's club.

[00:24:12] That's supposed to happen the next day.

[00:24:14] Yeah.

[00:24:14] Like the book club or something.

[00:24:15] Yeah.

[00:24:15] Whatever it is.

[00:24:16] Um,

[00:24:17] but then as soon as she comes home,

[00:24:18] they're like,

[00:24:19] Oh yeah,

[00:24:19] we live in a society.

[00:24:20] Right.

[00:24:22] Oh shit.

[00:24:23] What have we done?

[00:24:24] Yeah.

[00:24:25] It is very funny how quickly they just like ravenously grab all the food

[00:24:28] out of the fridge,

[00:24:29] like literally handfuls of salad and stuff.

[00:24:32] Okay.

[00:24:34] Uh,

[00:24:34] yeah,

[00:24:35] no,

[00:24:35] it's a true,

[00:24:35] like,

[00:24:36] uh,

[00:24:36] men will literally,

[00:24:37] uh,

[00:24:37] destroy a house and throw knives at the door and then go to a

[00:24:40] brothel rather than go to therapy.

[00:24:42] And one of them is a therapist.

[00:24:43] And one of them is a therapist.

[00:24:44] And that first,

[00:24:45] like,

[00:24:46] you know,

[00:24:46] section of the movie,

[00:24:47] it's largely like kind of a group therapy session for,

[00:24:50] uh,

[00:24:50] that's what the men's club is all about for a little while,

[00:24:53] at least for a minute.

[00:24:54] And he's even like a bad therapist,

[00:24:56] right?

[00:24:56] It is that,

[00:24:57] that him talking about,

[00:24:58] he has to record everything,

[00:24:59] his patients and stuff like that.

[00:25:00] Right.

[00:25:01] Well,

[00:25:01] that too.

[00:25:01] Yeah.

[00:25:01] But he,

[00:25:02] he's,

[00:25:02] uh,

[00:25:03] he has to record all the sessions cause he doesn't really listen to

[00:25:05] them.

[00:25:06] Oh yeah.

[00:25:06] So he can listen back to the recordings and then actually like give

[00:25:10] them whatever advice and stuff.

[00:25:11] Uh,

[00:25:11] so he's like a terrible therapist and he's trying to like analyze his

[00:25:15] wife and he's like,

[00:25:16] I'm sensing a little bit of anger here.

[00:25:18] Like,

[00:25:20] we've been talking mostly positively about the movie.

[00:25:22] However,

[00:25:23] neither of us like this movie dilemma.

[00:25:25] Yeah.

[00:25:25] Well,

[00:25:26] that's what I mean.

[00:25:26] There's this like,

[00:25:27] you know,

[00:25:28] alchemy to movies that sometimes they,

[00:25:30] it comes together and it's beautiful magic.

[00:25:32] Uh,

[00:25:32] and sometimes it just doesn't come together.

[00:25:34] And this movie just for some reason,

[00:25:36] even though the individually,

[00:25:38] some scenes are pretty good.

[00:25:39] Some of the,

[00:25:40] like we've been talking about stuff is pretty positive.

[00:25:41] The performances are good,

[00:25:42] but it just doesn't,

[00:25:43] doesn't all come together.

[00:25:44] It's all just kind of like a,

[00:25:46] well,

[00:25:46] this was fucking pointless.

[00:25:47] It's sort of how it feels at the end.

[00:25:49] You know,

[00:25:49] I don't know.

[00:25:49] Yeah,

[00:25:50] no,

[00:25:50] that's definitely,

[00:25:51] it kind of has this sort of deflating feeling by the end of the movie,

[00:25:54] but Roy Scheider is in the men's club.

[00:25:57] So what do you think of his performance in this movie?

[00:25:59] Mike,

[00:25:59] I mean,

[00:25:59] we've talked about a little bit,

[00:26:00] but yeah,

[00:26:00] I think he is genuinely really great.

[00:26:03] Yeah.

[00:26:03] He's really good.

[00:26:04] Uh,

[00:26:05] he's a fucking rat bastard,

[00:26:07] you know,

[00:26:08] like all of them are in some way.

[00:26:10] Well,

[00:26:10] I think,

[00:26:11] I think in particular Scheider and,

[00:26:13] Harvey Keitel who Harvey Keitel is basically playing the same character.

[00:26:17] He always like,

[00:26:18] like psychotic criminal that he always is.

[00:26:21] Um,

[00:26:22] which is very weird.

[00:26:23] I would love to,

[00:26:24] the movie doesn't really explain how,

[00:26:26] who knows who and,

[00:26:27] and like what the connection,

[00:26:29] like who,

[00:26:29] who's hanging out with this guy?

[00:26:31] You know what I mean?

[00:26:31] Right.

[00:26:32] How did he,

[00:26:32] how did he get involved?

[00:26:33] I mean,

[00:26:34] I guess he,

[00:26:34] uh,

[00:26:35] you know,

[00:26:35] it sounds like he knew the guy who died that invited Frank Langella.

[00:26:39] Right.

[00:26:39] So maybe that guy also invited Harvey Keitel or whatever it was.

[00:26:42] Yeah.

[00:26:42] It's Kevin Costner.

[00:26:46] It's a big chill reference for everyone.

[00:26:48] Yeah.

[00:26:49] Yeah.

[00:26:49] Tight.

[00:26:49] Everyone knows my references are tight,

[00:26:51] um,

[00:26:51] which is another reference.

[00:26:52] Oh no,

[00:26:52] what have I done?

[00:26:53] Um,

[00:26:54] yeah.

[00:26:54] Anyway,

[00:26:55] so I,

[00:26:55] I think Rush Heider is really good in this.

[00:26:57] Uh,

[00:26:57] I don't think anybody's really bad,

[00:26:59] which is,

[00:26:59] which is what makes it weird that it's,

[00:27:01] who just sucks.

[00:27:02] Yeah.

[00:27:04] Uh,

[00:27:04] yeah,

[00:27:04] I will say,

[00:27:05] I mean,

[00:27:05] I do think Roy Scheider gets the most focus out of anybody in the movie too.

[00:27:08] He,

[00:27:09] uh,

[00:27:09] he's definitely the main character.

[00:27:11] Yeah.

[00:27:11] If there is a lead,

[00:27:11] I mean the end of the movie,

[00:27:12] like he's,

[00:27:13] it's sort of starts and ends with him.

[00:27:15] Uh,

[00:27:15] and it is about his relationship with his wife,

[00:27:17] uh,

[00:27:18] who we see,

[00:27:19] uh,

[00:27:20] earlier in the movie,

[00:27:20] like he's in bed with his wife and he like tries to start having sex with her.

[00:27:23] And she's like,

[00:27:24] no,

[00:27:24] what do you,

[00:27:25] it's like three in the morning.

[00:27:26] Yeah.

[00:27:26] She's actively asleep.

[00:27:27] Yeah.

[00:27:29] You know,

[00:27:30] very weird.

[00:27:31] Uh,

[00:27:31] and so,

[00:27:32] and he's like,

[00:27:32] ah,

[00:27:33] women,

[00:27:34] uh,

[00:27:35] uh,

[00:27:37] yeah.

[00:27:37] And then they go to the men's club and he talks about all the times he's shooting on his wife

[00:27:40] and how,

[00:27:40] when he was a baseball player,

[00:27:41] like he was married to his wife,

[00:27:43] but he was on the road.

[00:27:43] And so he was sleeping with groupies all the time and all that kind of stuff that somebody

[00:27:47] mentions like,

[00:27:47] uh,

[00:27:48] what you're like batting 300.

[00:27:49] And it's like,

[00:27:49] yeah,

[00:27:50] almost like,

[00:27:50] like something like that.

[00:27:52] Right.

[00:27:52] And then,

[00:27:53] yeah,

[00:27:53] they go to the brothel and he hooks up with,

[00:27:55] uh,

[00:27:55] the teenage girl from jaws to his son's crush from jaws to,

[00:28:09] uh,

[00:28:11] uh,

[00:28:11] to his,

[00:28:12] uh,

[00:28:12] buddy who he invited to the men's club,

[00:28:13] uh,

[00:28:14] who is another professor at the university.

[00:28:16] And he's kind of lamenting the fact that like they used to be very good friends.

[00:28:20] Uh,

[00:28:20] and now it's like,

[00:28:21] you know,

[00:28:22] I see you across the quad.

[00:28:23] Like,

[00:28:23] I don't even say hi sometimes because,

[00:28:24] uh,

[00:28:25] you know,

[00:28:25] it's just,

[00:28:25] it's too much effort to go see you.

[00:28:27] And so it's,

[00:28:28] it's sort of about him wanting to rekindle something with this friend of his that,

[00:28:32] uh,

[00:28:33] is a very good friend of his,

[00:28:34] but this guy is also like,

[00:28:35] you know,

[00:28:36] yeah,

[00:28:36] I see you when I see you,

[00:28:37] you know,

[00:28:37] I like you as a friend.

[00:28:38] Like we're,

[00:28:38] we're good friends,

[00:28:39] but like,

[00:28:40] you know,

[00:28:40] I don't love the way you treat your wife and that's like really uncomfortable for me.

[00:28:43] And like,

[00:28:44] I'm friends with her too.

[00:28:44] Like,

[00:28:45] well,

[00:28:45] you know,

[00:28:45] that kind of thing.

[00:28:46] Right.

[00:28:46] Yeah.

[00:28:47] He's now put his friend allegedly,

[00:28:51] right.

[00:28:51] His alleged friend,

[00:28:52] uh,

[00:28:53] in a position of knowing that he cheats on his wife all the time.

[00:28:56] And now his friend who can't say any,

[00:28:59] like,

[00:28:59] what do I say?

[00:28:59] Like,

[00:29:00] how do I talk to your wife in a normal way?

[00:29:01] There's some kind of discussion they have about that,

[00:29:04] uh,

[00:29:04] about like you're like Kavanaugh is such a selfish asshole that he doesn't even recognize that he's also now ruined his wife's friendship with Philip.

[00:29:12] Right.

[00:29:12] Because Philip,

[00:29:13] how do I live with this guilt now of knowing this?

[00:29:15] Right.

[00:29:15] Uh,

[00:29:16] kind of thing.

[00:29:17] And yeah,

[00:29:17] that,

[00:29:17] that comes up.

[00:29:18] Like it doesn't even really resolve.

[00:29:19] I don't know.

[00:29:20] I don't know.

[00:29:20] Right.

[00:29:20] It doesn't,

[00:29:21] it doesn't cause he,

[00:29:22] uh,

[00:29:22] Philip has that moment at the brothel where he called,

[00:29:25] picks up the phone and calls his own wife.

[00:29:27] Yes.

[00:29:28] Or pretends to call his own wife.

[00:29:29] Yeah.

[00:29:30] Pretends to call his own wife and tell her,

[00:29:31] yeah,

[00:29:32] I'm at a brothel.

[00:29:32] I've cheated without you.

[00:29:34] I've just watched,

[00:29:34] uh,

[00:29:35] Kavanaugh have sex with two women on the floor in front of everybody.

[00:29:38] Right.

[00:29:38] Like there's all their dancing and all this stuff.

[00:29:40] And yeah,

[00:29:40] we all did it,

[00:29:41] baby.

[00:29:42] kind of thing.

[00:29:42] And then he reveals that he's like,

[00:29:44] just called from like the weather report or whatever.

[00:29:46] Cause he used to be able to do that.

[00:29:48] Um,

[00:29:49] I guess shatter has a big like blow up about that,

[00:29:52] but it doesn't really go anywhere.

[00:29:54] Right.

[00:29:54] I don't think.

[00:29:55] Yeah.

[00:29:55] Well it's,

[00:29:55] it's after that.

[00:29:56] I mean,

[00:29:56] so yeah,

[00:29:57] he hooks up with two women on the floor and they have that scene where he's

[00:29:59] like kind of,

[00:30:00] it's sort of him like making a point,

[00:30:01] like trying to make shatter feel guilty about everything.

[00:30:03] I think I,

[00:30:04] I kind of lost track of what was happening,

[00:30:05] but somebody got married to one of the sex workers or something,

[00:30:07] or it's like a kind of goofy little,

[00:30:09] that's the thing too.

[00:30:10] So yeah,

[00:30:11] before that shatter tells Philip or Kavanaugh tells Philip,

[00:30:15] don't worry about it.

[00:30:16] Sarah and I are actually getting a divorce,

[00:30:17] right?

[00:30:18] Like he said,

[00:30:19] he's like,

[00:30:19] don't worry about it.

[00:30:20] It's fine.

[00:30:21] Uh,

[00:30:21] which you get the sense that that's a lie to rational,

[00:30:24] like either rationalization or to make Philip stop being upset.

[00:30:27] Right.

[00:30:28] Yeah.

[00:30:28] And that doesn't really,

[00:30:29] I don't remember if there's closure to that or not.

[00:30:32] I don't like,

[00:30:32] cause the movie ends with like three of them jogging in slow motion across a

[00:30:36] bridge or some shit.

[00:30:37] It's like,

[00:30:38] okay,

[00:30:38] whatever.

[00:30:39] It seems like it's shatter,

[00:30:40] like sort of realizing he wants to go back to his wife or something.

[00:30:43] Right.

[00:30:43] Yeah,

[00:30:44] exactly.

[00:30:44] Yeah.

[00:30:45] Uh,

[00:30:45] and so,

[00:30:45] yeah.

[00:30:45] And he's like walking alone across the bridge and then two of them,

[00:30:47] Philip and one of the other guys,

[00:30:49] maybe Langella,

[00:30:50] the body double guy,

[00:30:51] the body double guy.

[00:30:52] He's the lead of body double,

[00:30:53] right?

[00:30:53] He's like the main guy.

[00:30:54] Yeah.

[00:30:54] He's the main dude.

[00:30:55] And he rocks in that movie.

[00:30:56] That movie's great.

[00:30:57] Yeah.

[00:30:57] Everybody's watched body double.

[00:30:58] It rules.

[00:30:59] Yeah.

[00:31:00] yeah.

[00:31:00] Uh,

[00:31:00] speaking of movies with weird attitudes towards women,

[00:31:03] um,

[00:31:03] the,

[00:31:04] true,

[00:31:05] but yeah.

[00:31:06] And so he's kind of joined by those two guys.

[00:31:07] So it's a little bit of like,

[00:31:09] you know,

[00:31:09] him,

[00:31:10] I think it's meant to be like,

[00:31:12] you know,

[00:31:12] he's realized what's important to him and he's going to go back home to his

[00:31:16] wife.

[00:31:16] And he does still have like the camaraderie of some of his male,

[00:31:19] male friends,

[00:31:20] which he was so seeking out with the men's club because these two guys came

[00:31:23] with him.

[00:31:24] Yeah.

[00:31:24] And they seem to be the ones that,

[00:31:26] are the most normal,

[00:31:27] right?

[00:31:27] Uh,

[00:31:28] I guess Philip feels very bad about everything that's going on.

[00:31:31] Right.

[00:31:31] He hates all of them.

[00:31:32] Uh,

[00:31:33] and the body double guy puts up the most,

[00:31:37] uh,

[00:31:37] which is awful.

[00:31:38] If we not,

[00:31:38] we can't remember his name.

[00:31:39] Um,

[00:31:40] but Craig Watson is the actor's name.

[00:31:42] Yeah.

[00:31:42] Puts up the most defense or whatever at the,

[00:31:46] at the brothel.

[00:31:47] Right.

[00:31:47] He's he,

[00:31:48] the woman that is like sitting next to him talking and trying to get him to go

[00:31:50] upstairs.

[00:31:50] He keeps saying,

[00:31:51] no,

[00:31:51] like I,

[00:31:52] I actually do love my wife.

[00:31:53] Like,

[00:31:53] no,

[00:31:53] I should write all this stuff.

[00:31:55] And I don't remember if they do go upstairs or not,

[00:31:56] but I,

[00:31:57] they probably do.

[00:31:57] But yeah,

[00:31:58] then there's Harvey Keitel,

[00:31:59] just the sex criminal.

[00:32:02] And,

[00:32:02] uh,

[00:32:03] Sally goes up with the woman,

[00:32:05] tells her afterwards,

[00:32:06] says that I love you.

[00:32:07] I want to marry you.

[00:32:07] And she's like,

[00:32:08] what are you like,

[00:32:08] what are you talking about?

[00:32:09] Like,

[00:32:10] this is a job.

[00:32:10] Uh,

[00:32:11] and he like slaps her and she slaps him.

[00:32:13] And then,

[00:32:14] and then they have like a fake wedding ceremony in the,

[00:32:16] in the lobby of the brothel.

[00:32:17] Right.

[00:32:18] Uh,

[00:32:18] with Frank Langella because he's a lawyer,

[00:32:20] the power invested in me,

[00:32:21] and he,

[00:32:22] you know,

[00:32:22] all this stuff.

[00:32:22] And he's like,

[00:32:23] you should say a poem.

[00:32:24] And the only,

[00:32:24] I forget what poem he knows,

[00:32:25] but it's like,

[00:32:26] Mary had a little lamb or whatever.

[00:32:28] Something like that.

[00:32:28] Yeah.

[00:32:29] And then,

[00:32:29] yeah,

[00:32:29] that's,

[00:32:29] that's sort of the end with them going to get dinner or something.

[00:32:32] Harvey Keitel and the woman get dinner,

[00:32:34] which is against the rules of the brothel.

[00:32:36] Right.

[00:32:36] They're going to let it go this one time.

[00:32:37] So he doesn't murder everyone is like kind of the vibe.

[00:32:41] I don't know.

[00:32:42] It's very weird.

[00:32:43] Uh,

[00:32:44] yeah,

[00:32:44] it's very,

[00:32:44] very weird.

[00:32:45] Um,

[00:32:45] and so,

[00:32:46] yeah,

[00:32:46] and Jennifer Jason Lee is also,

[00:32:47] I think she's great in this movie.

[00:32:48] She's very,

[00:32:49] very good.

[00:32:49] Um,

[00:32:50] you know,

[00:32:50] and it is interesting.

[00:32:51] And like,

[00:32:51] if you want,

[00:32:52] if you look at the poster for the men's club,

[00:32:53] it is just Jennifer Jason Lee on the poster.

[00:32:56] Um,

[00:32:56] it's,

[00:32:57] it's her in like a seductive pose and like a list of the men's names like next to

[00:33:01] her.

[00:33:01] Uh,

[00:33:02] and it,

[00:33:02] the tagline is like in the style of the big chill and the breakfast club

[00:33:05] comes.

[00:33:06] It says that on the poster.

[00:33:08] Yeah.

[00:33:08] We're ripping these two movies off.

[00:33:10] Yes,

[00:33:11] exactly.

[00:33:11] Uh,

[00:33:12] and so,

[00:33:12] yeah,

[00:33:13] it is interesting that like,

[00:33:14] you know,

[00:33:14] I mean,

[00:33:15] she was obviously,

[00:33:15] uh,

[00:33:16] she had kind of just broken out with fast times.

[00:33:18] And so she's kind of a big star at the time.

[00:33:19] But I love seeing Jennifer Jason Lee.

[00:33:21] She's great.

[00:33:21] Uh,

[00:33:21] and she doesn't have too much to do in this movie other than like be the cool

[00:33:25] sex worker who hooks up with Frank Langella.

[00:33:27] And,

[00:33:27] and she's the one who gets like the most character,

[00:33:29] the most personality out of all the sex workers there too.

[00:33:32] Um,

[00:33:32] but at the end of the day,

[00:33:34] like she,

[00:33:34] she's much less like developed than the male characters in the movie.

[00:33:38] There's,

[00:33:38] there's lots of scenes,

[00:33:39] um,

[00:33:40] of the men pretending to be interested in the women,

[00:33:43] right?

[00:33:43] Like once they go up to their,

[00:33:44] to the rooms,

[00:33:45] right?

[00:33:46] There's like a couple of them.

[00:33:47] Like it's,

[00:33:47] it happens a couple of times in a row or whatever.

[00:33:49] Where they're like,

[00:33:50] so,

[00:33:50] uh,

[00:33:51] tell me about yourself.

[00:33:52] And they're like,

[00:33:52] what do you want to know why I'm here?

[00:33:54] Or what?

[00:33:54] Like,

[00:33:54] you know,

[00:33:55] like,

[00:33:55] uh,

[00:33:55] why ruin this facade or whatever kind of thing is basically the women's

[00:33:58] response to every time the men ask,

[00:34:00] right?

[00:34:00] Like where are you from?

[00:34:01] Uh,

[00:34:01] or whatever.

[00:34:02] Why do you,

[00:34:03] why are you into this?

[00:34:04] All right.

[00:34:04] Right.

[00:34:04] Kind of thing.

[00:34:04] Um,

[00:34:05] but Jennifer Jason Lee does get to have that pretty extended scene with

[00:34:09] Franklin Jella and,

[00:34:10] and fixes him basically.

[00:34:12] That's what the movie seems to be saying that before that he didn't know it

[00:34:16] was okay to go to brothels.

[00:34:17] And now he does.

[00:34:18] And now he's cool.

[00:34:19] And his,

[00:34:20] his shirt is off and she does his makeup or does like makeup on him.

[00:34:24] And right.

[00:34:25] That is a pretty funny reveal though.

[00:34:27] Like what,

[00:34:28] after that,

[00:34:28] like it's him with the full face of makeup,

[00:34:30] uh,

[00:34:30] in the bedroom.

[00:34:31] And then it cuts to just a pair of feet,

[00:34:33] like tapping to the music,

[00:34:34] uh,

[00:34:35] that's playing slowly goes up and reveals his Franklin Jella and his

[00:34:39] makeup is all fucked up now.

[00:34:40] Yes.

[00:34:41] Yeah.

[00:34:41] That was funny.

[00:34:41] Pretty good.

[00:34:42] Yes.

[00:34:43] Um,

[00:34:43] yeah,

[00:34:43] she's great in the movie.

[00:34:44] Also,

[00:34:44] I think Stocker Channing is really great in her scene as well.

[00:34:47] Um,

[00:34:47] where she comes home,

[00:34:48] the quiet rage that she is feeling like throughout.

[00:34:52] Uh,

[00:34:52] and then she just finally explodes on her husband,

[00:34:55] uh,

[00:34:55] and knocks him in the head with a tea kettle.

[00:34:57] Uh,

[00:34:58] is really,

[00:34:58] really great.

[00:34:59] I think she's great.

[00:35:00] She's really good in the movie.

[00:35:01] Yeah.

[00:35:01] She's excellent.

[00:35:02] That scene is actually very good,

[00:35:03] right?

[00:35:03] Cause it's the,

[00:35:03] they're sitting around the tables drinking and smoking and telling

[00:35:06] stories or whatever.

[00:35:07] And,

[00:35:08] Harvey Keitel has an explosion of violence with treat Williams or

[00:35:12] somebody.

[00:35:13] I forget who maybe Phillip.

[00:35:14] I don't remember in order to diffuse that Kramer's like,

[00:35:16] Hey,

[00:35:17] why don't we throw these throwing knives over here?

[00:35:19] Hey,

[00:35:19] isn't this cool?

[00:35:20] He's like,

[00:35:21] we'll throw them at the door.

[00:35:22] And then it's a pretty,

[00:35:22] pretty fun montage of them drinking and throwing,

[00:35:25] doing the throwing knives and just fucking up.

[00:35:27] Everything in the house.

[00:35:28] And like,

[00:35:28] yeah,

[00:35:29] this is the real boys are back in town moment.

[00:35:31] kind of thing.

[00:35:32] Yeah.

[00:35:32] Hell yeah.

[00:35:33] Uh,

[00:35:34] like pottery literally exploding.

[00:35:35] Like you can see like sparks and stuff.

[00:35:37] Like,

[00:35:38] yeah,

[00:35:38] it's just the montage.

[00:35:39] And then in the montage ends with like that realization of like,

[00:35:42] Oh,

[00:35:42] we've thrown holes through the door.

[00:35:44] Like the door is in splinters and all this stuff.

[00:35:47] And then the,

[00:35:48] the front door opens and Ian walks the wife.

[00:35:50] Uh,

[00:35:50] and it's just like record scratch freeze frame.

[00:35:53] It's that kind of vibe.

[00:35:54] Yes.

[00:35:54] And he's like trying to talk to her like,

[00:35:56] Oh yeah,

[00:35:57] honey,

[00:35:57] it's okay.

[00:35:57] You know,

[00:35:58] the boys were just,

[00:35:59] don't worry.

[00:36:00] We'll clean it up tomorrow.

[00:36:01] And yeah,

[00:36:02] you know,

[00:36:02] Oh yeah,

[00:36:03] we got into your food,

[00:36:03] but you know,

[00:36:04] I'll,

[00:36:04] I'll cater your event.

[00:36:05] It's okay.

[00:36:05] And like,

[00:36:06] just,

[00:36:07] yeah,

[00:36:07] just,

[00:36:08] she's simmering with rage.

[00:36:09] Uh,

[00:36:09] and then she finally just blows up,

[00:36:11] uh,

[00:36:11] and makes them clean it up tonight.

[00:36:13] Uh,

[00:36:14] and he's got blood gushing down his head for the tea kettle.

[00:36:18] Yes.

[00:36:19] Yeah.

[00:36:19] It's good stuff.

[00:36:20] Uh,

[00:36:20] so yeah,

[00:36:20] she,

[00:36:20] she's great.

[00:36:21] The movie.

[00:36:21] She's really good.

[00:36:31] Yes,

[00:36:32] absolutely.

[00:36:33] The,

[00:36:33] the debauched retirement,

[00:36:35] a era of that character.

[00:36:36] Um,

[00:36:37] yes.

[00:36:38] Yeah.

[00:36:38] I think,

[00:36:39] I think Scheider's got a womanizing element just like in actually,

[00:36:45] I might be confusing.

[00:36:46] She'll have been is dead and loving it.

[00:36:47] I don't remember.

[00:36:48] He,

[00:36:48] I mean,

[00:36:48] he's like dead living in New York,

[00:36:50] dead,

[00:36:50] dead and living in New York.

[00:36:51] You're thinking of Dracula.

[00:36:52] I am.

[00:36:53] Yeah.

[00:36:54] Uh,

[00:36:55] she'll have been is dead living in New York,

[00:36:56] but I don't,

[00:36:57] but he's not like got the,

[00:36:58] he doesn't have like the violent edge.

[00:37:01] He's just like the cool hot guy,

[00:37:02] right?

[00:37:03] He's just like,

[00:37:03] right.

[00:37:04] All the ladies want them,

[00:37:05] but there's like weird simmering violence thing that's going on between him and

[00:37:08] Solly.

[00:37:09] What's the,

[00:37:09] I can never remember the name of the puzzle of a downfall child.

[00:37:12] Uh,

[00:37:13] yeah.

[00:37:13] Yeah.

[00:37:13] Puzzle enough.

[00:37:14] You got it.

[00:37:14] I got there.

[00:37:15] Uh,

[00:37:15] I think it's who is dead and loving it.

[00:37:17] Who is dead and loving it.

[00:37:18] Uh,

[00:37:19] I think it's like that character where he just comes in and he's got this,

[00:37:22] he's going to throw a backhand at like the slightest,

[00:37:24] slightest,

[00:37:25] uh,

[00:37:26] inconvenience or whatever.

[00:37:27] Um,

[00:37:28] so yeah,

[00:37:28] those,

[00:37:29] those movies stood out to me.

[00:37:30] Yeah.

[00:37:30] I think that's,

[00:37:31] that's a good poll.

[00:37:31] I was going to say Clute,

[00:37:32] um,

[00:37:32] you know,

[00:37:33] Clute also a movie about a sex worker,

[00:37:34] uh,

[00:37:35] from a very different perspective.

[00:37:36] I mean,

[00:37:36] I think Clute gets much more into the,

[00:37:38] uh,

[00:37:38] the interior,

[00:37:39] the interiority of the female perspective of being a sex worker in 1971,

[00:37:43] uh,

[00:37:43] with Jane Fonda and her therapy sessions and all that kind of stuff.

[00:37:46] Uh,

[00:37:46] and this is obviously more about the men's relationship to sex workers in the

[00:37:51] brothel,

[00:37:51] but still,

[00:37:52] you know,

[00:37:52] it counts.

[00:37:53] I think that,

[00:37:54] yeah.

[00:37:54] Yeah.

[00:37:55] Uh,

[00:37:55] yeah,

[00:37:56] that was pretty much my only,

[00:37:57] my only other one,

[00:37:57] but yeah,

[00:37:58] I think Puzzle enough,

[00:37:58] child and,

[00:37:59] uh,

[00:38:00] the other one you said,

[00:38:01] Sheila Levine.

[00:38:01] I think they're both,

[00:38:02] uh,

[00:38:02] good polls,

[00:38:03] uh,

[00:38:03] for this one too.

[00:38:04] Yeah.

[00:38:05] It's interesting that,

[00:38:05] you know,

[00:38:06] and he's definitely,

[00:38:07] definitely looking a lot older than he does in those movies.

[00:38:09] Uh,

[00:38:10] sure.

[00:38:11] I mean,

[00:38:11] at this point,

[00:38:11] you know,

[00:38:12] like it's,

[00:38:13] it's a weird thing where like Roy Scheider didn't really get famous until he

[00:38:16] was like late thirties,

[00:38:18] early forties.

[00:38:19] Right.

[00:38:19] Uh,

[00:38:19] yeah.

[00:38:20] So at this point,

[00:38:21] 1986,

[00:38:21] he was born in 1932.

[00:38:24] He's 54 years old.

[00:38:25] Here he is sleeping with the teenager from,

[00:38:29] from just to,

[00:38:30] right?

[00:38:30] Jaws too.

[00:38:31] Yeah.

[00:38:32] So it's getting,

[00:38:32] it's getting,

[00:38:33] it's starting to get a little weird.

[00:38:34] Um,

[00:38:34] but there is like a,

[00:38:35] you know,

[00:38:36] I mean,

[00:38:36] he's a retired baseball player or whatever.

[00:38:38] There's,

[00:38:38] there's a little bit of like a world weariness to that,

[00:38:40] you know?

[00:38:40] Yeah,

[00:38:41] absolutely.

[00:38:41] Absolutely.

[00:38:42] Uh,

[00:38:42] any other scenes,

[00:38:43] uh,

[00:38:43] or moments in the men's club that stand out to you,

[00:38:45] Mike,

[00:38:45] anything that you want to give a shout out to before we move on to letterbox

[00:38:48] reviews?

[00:38:49] There's a moment at the beginning of the movie.

[00:38:52] So like the,

[00:38:52] the first,

[00:38:53] I don't know,

[00:38:53] 10,

[00:38:53] 15,

[00:38:54] maybe not even 15 minutes,

[00:38:55] uh,

[00:38:56] is like just all of the men,

[00:38:57] why they're in a position to want to go to this men's club thing.

[00:39:01] Right.

[00:39:01] Or whatever.

[00:39:02] And Harvey Keitel's is just the weirdest fucking,

[00:39:05] like,

[00:39:05] so like I said,

[00:39:06] sex criminal,

[00:39:06] right?

[00:39:07] He,

[00:39:07] this woman's like,

[00:39:08] Oh,

[00:39:08] you do a real good job parking your car.

[00:39:11] You know what?

[00:39:11] Like clearly trying to pick them up or whatever.

[00:39:13] And it just smash cuts later on to him,

[00:39:15] uh,

[00:39:16] like getting dressed and going to leave the,

[00:39:19] uh,

[00:39:20] hotel room that they're in together.

[00:39:21] Right.

[00:39:22] And she's on the bed in like with just the sheet.

[00:39:25] And she's like,

[00:39:25] how am I going to write to you?

[00:39:26] I don't even know your address.

[00:39:27] And his only response is to walk over and undo his belt and unzip his

[00:39:30] pants.

[00:39:31] Uh,

[00:39:31] and then they get interrupted by the maid thinking they've checked out

[00:39:34] already.

[00:39:37] You know,

[00:39:38] there's certain guys,

[00:39:40] certain characters or whatever that like in the real world,

[00:39:43] you wouldn't talk to,

[00:39:44] you wouldn't hang out with that guy shows up.

[00:39:46] You'd leave.

[00:39:46] Like,

[00:39:46] I don't understand.

[00:39:47] Right.

[00:39:48] So I don't know.

[00:39:49] He's very strange.

[00:39:49] But if you're desperate for male companionship,

[00:39:52] Mike,

[00:39:52] for,

[00:39:52] for connection with your other dudes,

[00:39:54] I guess,

[00:39:55] then I don't know.

[00:39:55] It's a,

[00:39:56] it's a,

[00:39:56] it's a weird thing.

[00:39:57] Uh,

[00:39:58] I mean,

[00:39:58] yeah.

[00:39:58] Harvey Keitel is known for playing guys like that.

[00:40:01] That's great.

[00:40:02] Yeah.

[00:40:02] And he kills it.

[00:40:03] He's great.

[00:40:04] He's,

[00:40:04] I think he's good in this movie and obviously he's in a ton of

[00:40:06] Scorsese movies doing that kind of thing.

[00:40:08] I recently watched who's that knocking on my door for,

[00:40:10] uh,

[00:40:11] the first time earlier this year,

[00:40:12] uh,

[00:40:12] which is Scorsese's first movie.

[00:40:13] Harvey Keitel's the star.

[00:40:14] He's phenomenal in it.

[00:40:15] He's so good.

[00:40:16] He's a piece of shit,

[00:40:17] uh,

[00:40:17] in that movie.

[00:40:19] Nice.

[00:40:19] Uh,

[00:40:20] but yeah,

[00:40:20] he's,

[00:40:21] I don't know.

[00:40:21] He's somebody who I always get excited to see pop up for

[00:40:23] whatever.

[00:40:23] Like he's,

[00:40:24] he's just always really good.

[00:40:25] He,

[00:40:25] he would be a great complete work season,

[00:40:27] but unfortunately he's disqualified for season five.

[00:40:29] He was in Grand Budapest hotel.

[00:40:31] Uh,

[00:40:31] yes.

[00:40:32] Yeah,

[00:40:32] he was,

[00:40:32] uh,

[00:40:32] he's in,

[00:40:33] he's in a couple of Wes Anderson's.

[00:40:34] I think he's in Moonrise Kingdom also.

[00:40:36] He's like the scout master in that.

[00:40:37] Yeah.

[00:40:38] Well,

[00:40:38] I was trying to think of,

[00:40:39] but I guess season two,

[00:40:40] like,

[00:40:40] so we did.

[00:40:41] Yes.

[00:40:41] But yeah,

[00:40:42] he was in Grand Budapest and I love dogs actually.

[00:40:44] Oh,

[00:40:44] that's right.

[00:40:45] Yeah.

[00:40:45] But I don't think he was in any Michelle Yeoh movies.

[00:40:47] So we could have done him for season four.

[00:40:48] We could have done him.

[00:40:49] You're right.

[00:40:49] But alas,

[00:40:50] we did not think of it.

[00:40:51] Uh,

[00:40:52] so anyway,

[00:40:54] but here we are in the Roy Shatter season.

[00:40:55] Thanks a lot,

[00:40:56] Mike.

[00:40:56] Yeah,

[00:40:56] we did it.

[00:40:57] Um,

[00:40:58] I,

[00:40:59] what was the other one too?

[00:41:00] Oh,

[00:41:00] Treat Williams is the doctor and the,

[00:41:02] the,

[00:41:02] Oh yeah.

[00:41:03] The woman coming in to like woo the doctor to get a prescription.

[00:41:07] It's very funny.

[00:41:07] And the only thing he wants to do is like memory tricks,

[00:41:10] like memory party tricks.

[00:41:11] Cause she's so good at it.

[00:41:13] Yeah,

[00:41:13] definitely.

[00:41:13] Uh,

[00:41:14] yeah,

[00:41:14] it's,

[00:41:14] it's a good cast.

[00:41:15] It's a,

[00:41:15] it's a good ensemble cast that this movie does assemble who are all giving good performances.

[00:41:20] And it just doesn't,

[00:41:20] just does not come together.

[00:41:21] I think.

[00:41:22] And it just sucks.

[00:41:23] Yeah.

[00:41:24] Somehow.

[00:41:24] Just the general vibe is,

[00:41:26] is not one you want to hang out in after a while.

[00:41:28] I think that might be it.

[00:41:29] Actually,

[00:41:29] I'm at a party and somebody like Harvey Keitel shows up or Harvey Keitel's character in this movie.

[00:41:34] I'm like,

[00:41:34] you know what?

[00:41:34] Maybe I should go.

[00:41:35] And I think,

[00:41:36] I think this movie has a vibe of like,

[00:41:39] maybe I don't want to be here.

[00:41:40] You know,

[00:41:41] there's something going on.

[00:41:42] I don't really feel that comfortable with.

[00:41:44] Yeah.

[00:41:44] This is a party that you can't leave because you're watching the movie.

[00:41:47] Yeah.

[00:41:47] I identify with Franklin Jell's character in the first half where I'm like,

[00:41:51] this is uncomfortable and weird.

[00:41:52] And I don't like it.

[00:41:55] Fair enough.

[00:41:56] All right.

[00:41:56] Should we move on to letterbox reviews,

[00:41:57] Mike?

[00:41:57] Should we see what people have to say?

[00:41:58] We should.

[00:41:59] All right,

[00:41:59] let's do it.

[00:42:00] The men's club.

[00:42:01] What a picture?

[00:42:02] A picture.

[00:42:03] A picture.

[00:42:04] Here's a two and a half star review from Dante.

[00:42:07] If there was any condemnation whatsoever of the behavior portrayed on screen,

[00:42:11] then this surely would be good.

[00:42:12] Even great.

[00:42:13] It's technically competent enough with a great cast,

[00:42:16] giving at least passable performances,

[00:42:17] even with a questionable script.

[00:42:18] The issue that I personally have with this film is that I have no idea if this

[00:42:21] film is misogynistic or if it's about misogyny.

[00:42:25] Even if the film itself is misogynistic,

[00:42:26] it definitely does say a lot about the attitudes of the men that wrote it and also about the

[00:42:29] attitudes of the society in which it was made.

[00:42:31] I actually do think that masculinity is worth examining and worth portraying,

[00:42:35] even if it does seem pointless and boring and inaccessible,

[00:42:37] because it does say a lot about men.

[00:42:38] And I especially think that homosocial relationships between men versus the way that

[00:42:41] men interact with women is so interesting to look at,

[00:42:43] as well as the way that men talk about and view women.

[00:42:45] But I feel like this movie misses out on having anything to say about it.

[00:42:49] Just kind of shows it off.

[00:42:50] I will say to this movie's credit,

[00:42:52] there is only one F slur,

[00:42:54] which is pretty impressive for a movie like this.

[00:42:57] I feel like there was real high potential for that to be flying around a lot.

[00:43:00] That's true.

[00:43:01] That's true.

[00:43:01] I mean,

[00:43:01] this is a movie from 1986 with the cast exclusively of like 30 to 60 year old men.

[00:43:07] Yeah,

[00:43:08] exactly.

[00:43:11] So anyway,

[00:43:12] that did stand out.

[00:43:13] That is a,

[00:43:14] that is a good point.

[00:43:15] All right,

[00:43:16] here's a two and a half star review from Tierney Alvin,

[00:43:18] a curio that would otherwise be offensive if it wasn't so absolutely ridiculous in almost every level.

[00:43:24] Bonus points for any film that ends with Roy Scheider running across the Bay Bridge with his bros,

[00:43:29] desperate to get back to his wife,

[00:43:30] whom he had just cheated on with two women on the floor mere moments previously.

[00:43:35] Yeah,

[00:43:36] correct.

[00:43:37] And that is how the movie ends.

[00:43:38] And they're even,

[00:43:39] they're even jogging in the,

[00:43:40] in the lane.

[00:43:41] Like they're in the road.

[00:43:42] They're not even on the sidewalk.

[00:43:44] That is true.

[00:43:45] Any car that comes up,

[00:43:46] it's going to be a real piss.

[00:43:47] Yeah,

[00:43:47] very strange.

[00:43:49] Here is a half star review from Thomas Becker.

[00:43:52] After all that bleeding,

[00:43:53] I love that instead of getting Kramer medical attention,

[00:43:56] the club decides to leave him at home with his homicidal wife and,

[00:43:59] and go to a whorehouse instead.

[00:44:01] In an alternate universe,

[00:44:02] I would like to think he just bled to death and all the men got charged with leaving the scene of a crime or something.

[00:44:07] Then they could have club meetings together in prison.

[00:44:10] Sequel.

[00:44:11] If you want me to take your examination of the male psyche seriously,

[00:44:13] you cannot introduce a madam who walks around with a ventriloquist dummy.

[00:44:16] So she can see her gun in it.

[00:44:18] Like it's totally normal to do that and not have at least one character think that's strange.

[00:44:22] That's just not how human behavior works.

[00:44:25] You know what?

[00:44:25] Fair.

[00:44:26] Honestly,

[00:44:27] that points to just all the stuff that doesn't really come together.

[00:44:30] You know?

[00:44:30] Yes.

[00:44:30] Yeah.

[00:44:31] It is like,

[00:44:31] it's an odd like character beats.

[00:44:34] And then it's just a,

[00:44:35] it's just a thing.

[00:44:36] It's just walking around with a ventriloquist dummy for most of the movie.

[00:44:39] Yeah.

[00:44:39] Which like,

[00:44:40] I'm fine with like,

[00:44:41] you know,

[00:44:41] like the eccentric madam or like whatever.

[00:44:42] Like I'm fine with him not commenting on it until it's revealed that she's got a gun inside and she's like going to shoot them or whatever.

[00:44:48] Like she blows the head off the doll.

[00:44:50] That's how she reveals the dummy.

[00:44:52] That's what I feel like they should have.

[00:44:53] Somebody should have said,

[00:44:55] turns to the camera and said,

[00:44:56] this,

[00:44:56] this girl's weird.

[00:44:57] You know?

[00:44:57] Like,

[00:45:00] uh,

[00:45:01] uh,

[00:45:01] yeah.