Ep. 21 - 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984)

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[00:00:18] Hello and welcome to episode 21 of The Complete Works Season 4,

[00:00:27] a deep dive into the career and films of actor Roy Scheider.

[00:00:31] My name is Mike Smith and joining me on this journey across the Scheiderverse

[00:00:35] is my friend, co-host, and fellow Roy boy...

[00:00:38] Mike Trecio.

[00:00:39] How'd you do today, Mike?

[00:00:40] I'm doing great. I am well-rested from a podcast time travel vacation, I guess.

[00:00:45] Yes. Yeah, you were in Los Angeles for about a week.

[00:00:48] Yeah, I went for a long weekend for my birthday times.

[00:00:51] Yes.

[00:00:51] It was a lot of fun, which I guess we gotta do it.

[00:00:55] Now that we're recording, we gotta do a birthday bylaw episode too.

[00:00:57] Man, we got a... we're a busy couple of guys here.

[00:00:59] Yeah, that had occurred to me too. And usually your birthday bylaw does get delayed until November.

[00:01:04] Yeah.

[00:01:05] Just because we're usually doing so much Halloween stuff.

[00:01:07] And in this case, it's delayed because we just have been too busy to actually do anything.

[00:01:13] Yeah, we're all over the place. We're all... we're going to different states. We're doing a lot.

[00:01:17] Yes.

[00:01:17] And yeah, so I went to visit some friends in California, went to see some...

[00:01:20] some movies in the theaters.

[00:01:23] Yeah.

[00:01:23] It happened to be during Beyond Fest.

[00:01:25] So I saw some cool, cool movies. It's a good time.

[00:01:27] Yeah, absolutely. I'm sure you'll talk about those more on an upcoming...

[00:01:31] Mike, I'm gonna go to the movies, do some discussions or however we do it.

[00:01:34] We're about to record our Joker Follet Adieu episode as well, which you also saw while you were in Los Angeles.

[00:01:39] But I can't imagine we're going to have too much to say about Joker.

[00:01:42] So maybe you can throw out a few...

[00:01:44] That's a good point.

[00:01:45] Throw out a few other ones while we're there too.

[00:01:47] But anyway, Mike, for the second time this season, we are talking about the sequel to one of the greatest movies ever made.

[00:01:54] That's insane. You're 100% correct. I didn't even...

[00:01:57] That's weird, right?

[00:01:57] That is weird. It's...

[00:01:59] It's...

[00:01:59] It's happened twice and it's weird that it's happened twice.

[00:02:02] Exactly. So back in 1978, Roy Scheider fulfilled his contractual obligation and starred in Jaws 2.

[00:02:08] But this time around, we're talking about a sequel where Scheider was not the star of the first movie.

[00:02:14] Ten years before Roy Scheider starred in Jaws 2, Stanley Kubrick adapted Arthur C. Clarke's sci-fi novel to make what would become one of the most influential films of all time.

[00:02:24] 2001, A Space Odyssey.

[00:02:26] What a picture.

[00:02:27] Yeah.

[00:02:29] Yes, I have heard of it. I think I've actually only seen it once though.

[00:02:32] Really? When did you see it?

[00:02:34] In college, I don't really remember what year, but in college, you know, and of course it was the beginning of the streaming of Netflix on a laptop era stuff.

[00:02:45] So like, you know, not the best way to experience a movie such as 2001, A Space Odyssey on a 13 inch MacBook, you know?

[00:02:52] Yeah, no, definitely.

[00:02:53] Here's my brief history of 2001, Mike, by the way.

[00:02:56] Okay.

[00:02:56] I have a history with this movie.

[00:02:58] As you know, I used to have the Netflix DVD plan.

[00:03:01] Yes.

[00:03:01] And actually before that, when I was like maybe 11 or 12, we had a Blockbuster DVD plan.

[00:03:06] Oh.

[00:03:07] So there was a Blockbuster by Mail plan back in the day where you can order DVDs and things like that.

[00:03:12] I had a five disc DVD player.

[00:03:15] So you would put a DVD in and you can kind of rotate between five different discs all at once, right?

[00:03:19] Yeah.

[00:03:19] It was pretty cool.

[00:03:20] And so I was really, really obsessed with the AFI top 100 lists.

[00:03:25] And I believe it was the AFI 100 movie quotes list that had the quote, open the pod bay doors, how?

[00:03:32] Right.

[00:03:33] That was like, you know, on the list.

[00:03:34] And so I was obsessed with kind of going through the entire list and seeing every movie that was on it.

[00:03:39] And so when I was 11, I got 2001 A Space Odyssey from Blockbuster DVD by Mail.

[00:03:44] And I watched it with my dad and my brother.

[00:03:46] And we got about 30 minutes into it.

[00:03:49] The board out of my mind.

[00:03:50] Yeah.

[00:03:51] That tracks.

[00:03:52] Did not like it.

[00:03:53] I was 11 years old.

[00:03:54] And then it broke my DVD player.

[00:03:57] That movie broke your DVD player?

[00:03:59] That movie.

[00:04:00] Apparently there was glue on the back of the disc that we didn't know about.

[00:04:05] And so it was in the DVD player.

[00:04:08] And then suddenly, like 30, 40 minutes into the movie, it just started shorting out like the thing just like broke.

[00:04:14] And not only did it break my DVD player, it also destroyed all the other discs that were in the player.

[00:04:21] No.

[00:04:22] So there were four other movies in there or four other discs, rather.

[00:04:25] One of which was, I think, disc two of season two of Lost in Space, which was a real loss.

[00:04:30] The real big loss here was that I lost my DVD of all of Weird Al Yankovic's music videos.

[00:04:36] Wow.

[00:04:37] That's pretty tragic for 11-year-old Mike Smith.

[00:04:39] Especially, you know, back then, YouTube wasn't really a thing yet.

[00:04:42] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:04:43] So I couldn't just easily watch Weird Al videos.

[00:04:46] Oh, my God.

[00:04:46] This was my Weird Al video outlet.

[00:04:48] And so 2001 A Space Odyssey destroyed that for me.

[00:04:51] And I held a grudge against that movie for many years.

[00:04:54] Eventually, I saw it again in college.

[00:04:56] I took a sci-fi course and I think I was maybe like 19 or 20, watched it again.

[00:05:00] I was like, okay, well, this movie's incredible.

[00:05:01] It's really, really good.

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:03] I get it now.

[00:05:05] And so that was my sort of history with it.

[00:05:07] I actually did recently rewatch it and watch it in a theater for the first time.

[00:05:11] We showed it for Sci-Fi Summer at the Roxy and I got to see it there.

[00:05:14] That was kind of the kickoff film for that series.

[00:05:17] And man, if you have the chance to watch 2001 in a theater, you probably should.

[00:05:21] It's really cool.

[00:05:22] Yeah, I bet.

[00:05:23] I have sort of mixed feelings, mixed opinions on 2001 because I only saw it the one time.

[00:05:29] I just haven't really gotten around to watching it again and giving it an actual watch.

[00:05:34] Because like I said, watching on a 13-inch MacBook, you're 20 or whatever.

[00:05:38] Sure, yeah.

[00:05:39] Slamming beers while you're watching it.

[00:05:41] Yeah, and I absolutely fell asleep in the middle of the extended spacewalk sequence

[00:05:45] where it's just audio of a guy breathing and you're listening in headphones

[00:05:48] and you're like, well, I guess this is relaxation now.

[00:05:51] You're like meditation, I'm going to sleep.

[00:05:53] So I definitely fell asleep in the middle.

[00:05:55] I was like, yeah, I guess this is a cool movie or whatever.

[00:05:58] But yeah, it's one of those things that I have to actually sit down and give it a full attention

[00:06:03] and see it on a big screen at some point.

[00:06:06] Because I'm sure that's the way it was meant to be seen.

[00:06:09] Yeah, it's a pretty mind-blowing experience.

[00:06:11] So back in 1968, Arthur Clarke and Kubrick, they co-wrote the film together.

[00:06:16] And the book, 2001 Space Odyssey, was actually released after the movie was.

[00:06:20] Like they were kind of written in tandem with each other.

[00:06:22] Many years later, Arthur C. Clarke decided to return to the well

[00:06:26] and he would ultimately write four books in the Space Odyssey series.

[00:06:30] Whoa.

[00:06:31] Yes, although after the first, only the second book would get adapted into film.

[00:06:35] There have been a couple of other attempts to get books three and four off the ground.

[00:06:39] Actually, Tom Hanks, around like 99, 2000, he was trying to make book three into a movie

[00:06:45] to star in for himself.

[00:06:47] Also, the Sci-Fi Channel attempted to do a mini series of books three and four.

[00:06:50] Neither of these things ever came to pass.

[00:06:52] That's wild.

[00:06:53] Yes.

[00:06:53] So there is like, you know, a continuation of the story for 2001 in book form that just

[00:06:58] doesn't exist on film.

[00:06:59] But the reason they never came to pass might have something to do with the initial reception

[00:07:03] to the movie we're talking about today.

[00:07:06] Whoops.

[00:07:06] Uh, but like Jaws 2, is there good stuff here that is simply overshadowed by the fact that

[00:07:12] it is a sequel to 2001?

[00:07:14] We'll find out, I guess.

[00:07:15] We'll find out since Roy Scheider is in it.

[00:07:17] We've got to talk about 2010, the year we make contact.

[00:07:23] How are you going to convince your people to allow Americans to go on the flight?

[00:07:26] We are going to get there first and you have the knowledge to make the trip work.

[00:07:33] I'm going on the flight.

[00:07:38] Ma!

[00:07:39] Mommy said you're going to be asleep for a long time.

[00:07:42] Are you going to die?

[00:07:43] Dr. Floyd.

[00:07:44] Dr. Floyd.

[00:07:46] Dr. Arloff has encountered some strange data coming from Europa.

[00:07:50] I will send Max down with a pod.

[00:07:52] I wouldn't do that.

[00:07:53] Oh really?

[00:07:54] You want to send a pod down there, send an unmanned one.

[00:07:57] Hey.

[00:07:58] A piece of pie.

[00:07:59] Cake.

[00:07:59] A piece of cake.

[00:08:01] Cake, yes.

[00:08:01] If this data is correct, then there's something down there.

[00:08:07] It is correct.

[00:08:09] It was organic.

[00:08:10] There was life.

[00:08:12] Is it moving?

[00:08:12] Yes.

[00:08:14] It's incredible.

[00:08:18] Listen for a minute.

[00:08:19] We've got to get out of here.

[00:08:21] I can't just order us to leave here for no reason.

[00:08:23] Forget reason.

[00:08:25] There's no time to be reasonable.

[00:08:33] I can't find him!

[00:08:36] Are you sure you're making the right decision?

[00:08:40] I think we should stop.

[00:08:56] You see, something's going to happen.

[00:08:57] What?

[00:08:58] Something wonderful.

[00:09:25] All right.

[00:09:26] So, Arthur Clarke published the novel 2010 Odyssey 2 in 1982.

[00:09:31] And though he joked with Stanley Kubrick that no one should ever make a movie out of it,

[00:09:36] he did eventually make a deal with MGM and the movie was quickly in the works.

[00:09:41] And they tried to get Stanley Kubrick back to direct it, naturally.

[00:09:44] I mean, that would be the first logical step, right?

[00:09:46] Yeah, of course.

[00:09:47] Yes.

[00:09:47] But Kubrick had no interest.

[00:09:48] He didn't want to do it.

[00:09:49] And this would have been about two to three years after The Shining.

[00:09:52] Shining was 1980.

[00:09:54] His next movie was Full Metal Jacket in 1987.

[00:09:56] So there will be a seven year gap between Kubrick movies there.

[00:10:00] Right.

[00:10:00] And he's filming Full Metal Jacket for a long time.

[00:10:03] Yes.

[00:10:03] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:10:05] But there was a director very interested in taking the project on.

[00:10:09] That was Peter Hyams, who had a few films under his belt, including some sci-fi or sci-fi

[00:10:13] adjacent work like Capricorn One and Outland starring Sean Connery.

[00:10:18] Hyams was excited about the idea of the movie, but only wanted to do it with the blessing

[00:10:21] of both Clarke and Kubrick.

[00:10:23] And he met with Kubrick.

[00:10:24] He had like a three hour phone call with him and actually met with him in person.

[00:10:28] And this is one of those Kubrick stories where, you know, Kubrick is one of those

[00:10:31] filmmakers that everybody tends to idolize.

[00:10:34] Everybody kind of looks up to as like one of the greats.

[00:10:36] But every time you hear about a filmmaker meeting with Kubrick, it's always Kubrick asking them

[00:10:41] how they made their movie.

[00:10:42] And so Kubrick was like, wow, you got some really cool shots in Outland.

[00:10:45] I want to really get to see how you did that.

[00:10:48] And so they talked about that for three hours.

[00:10:49] And then when Hyams was like, oh, by the way, they want me to make this movie that's a sequel

[00:10:54] to 2001.

[00:10:54] Is that OK?

[00:10:55] And Kubrick pretty much said, sure, go do it.

[00:10:59] I don't care.

[00:11:02] Fascinating.

[00:11:02] I can't off the top of my head.

[00:11:03] I don't think he ever made sequels, right?

[00:11:06] Like Stanley Kubrick.

[00:11:07] Yeah.

[00:11:08] Yeah.

[00:11:08] No, I don't.

[00:11:09] I don't think there's a sequel in his filmography.

[00:11:10] Yeah, no, it's I mean, you got Pads of Glory.

[00:11:13] You got Spartacus, which, you know, is an adaptation of Spartacus.

[00:11:15] Well, yeah, he did a lot of adaptations and stuff.

[00:11:18] And I meant like they ever think him like, yeah, he's definitely coming back for 2001

[00:11:23] to.

[00:11:24] Right.

[00:11:26] Yes.

[00:11:26] Yeah.

[00:11:26] No, he he never made a sequel in his filmography, although I mean, there is a sequel to 2001.

[00:11:31] Obviously, there is now also a sequel to The Shining.

[00:11:34] True.

[00:11:34] Yeah.

[00:11:35] Dr. Sleep, which Mike Flanagan's Dr.

[00:11:37] Sleep, I really like.

[00:11:38] Yeah.

[00:11:39] I think you like it, too.

[00:11:40] And that's a really weird one that is very much a direct sequel to Kubrick's movie,

[00:11:45] but is also like an adaptation of the Dr.

[00:11:48] Sleep book.

[00:11:48] And it's also like a direct sequel to the Stephen King book, The Shining.

[00:11:52] Right.

[00:11:52] It does a pretty good job of like merging those two worlds in an interesting way.

[00:11:55] It's it's weirdly like the only comparable film to 2010 as like a sequel to Kubrick's

[00:11:59] movie.

[00:12:00] Right.

[00:12:00] Yeah.

[00:12:00] Yeah.

[00:12:00] Yeah.

[00:12:01] You're right.

[00:12:01] Absolutely.

[00:12:03] But Roy Scheider stars in the lead role of 2010 as Dr.

[00:12:06] Haywood Floyd and his character actually does appear in the original film, but not played

[00:12:11] by Roy Scheider.

[00:12:12] He's played by William Sylvester in that movie.

[00:12:14] He's the one who sends the discovery crew on their mission in the first one.

[00:12:18] So we're apprising their roles from the first film.

[00:12:20] You got Keir D'Elia as Dave Bowman and Douglas rain as the voice of Hal 9000.

[00:12:25] From there, we've got a crew of both American and Russian astronauts.

[00:12:29] John Lithgow plays Walter Kernow, which makes this an all that jazz reunion.

[00:12:33] That's right.

[00:12:34] Yeah.

[00:12:35] Didn't see that one coming.

[00:12:35] Helen Mirren, who had only recently broken out in the long, good Friday plays Tanya Kerbuck,

[00:12:41] who, by the way, her name backwards is Kubrick.

[00:12:44] Whoa.

[00:12:45] Whoa.

[00:12:46] There's layers to this thing, man.

[00:12:48] Uh, Bob Balaban, one of my guys, love seeing Bob Balaban pop up and stuff.

[00:12:52] One of those guys of all time.

[00:12:54] Yes, absolutely.

[00:12:55] What was your first Bob Balaban role?

[00:12:57] Like just have a curiosity.

[00:12:57] Man, not that I, I could, I don't think I could even put a, put a moment on that.

[00:13:02] I don't really know.

[00:13:03] I can absolutely tell you like the first time I saw Bob Balaban or notice Bob Balaban at least,

[00:13:07] which was a season four of Seinfeld.

[00:13:09] He plays, uh, Russell Dalrymple, the NBC executive who gets Jerry on the air.

[00:13:13] Incredible.

[00:13:14] Uh, and so he's in a lot of episodes of season four, but Bob Balaban plays Dr. Chandra, uh,

[00:13:19] who has an interesting relationship with the Hal 9000, uh, computer.

[00:13:22] Natasha Schneider from the band 11 plays Irina Yakunina and Elia Baskin, who is a,

[00:13:27] as Mr. Dickovich in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies, uh, plays Maxime Barlovsky.

[00:13:32] Uh, we've also got Madeline Smith, uh, who we of course recognize Mike from two Jeff Goldblum

[00:13:37] TV movies.

[00:13:38] Uh, how could we forget?

[00:13:41] How could we forget?

[00:13:42] She was in rehearsal for murder and she played his wife in Ernie Kovacs behind the laughter

[00:13:46] or between the laughter.

[00:13:47] I think, uh, yeah, I think it's between, uh, she plays Caroline Floyd, uh, Roy Scheider's

[00:13:52] wife in this movie.

[00:13:53] Dana Elkar from MacGyver plays Dmitry Moisevich, uh, who helps organize the mission with Roy

[00:13:58] Scheider.

[00:13:59] Uh, Taliesin Jaffe, who might do you remember from Critical Role?

[00:14:03] I like spat my drink out when that, that his name showed up in the, uh, in the opening

[00:14:08] credits.

[00:14:09] Um, and I forgot cause I remember they used to make fun of him on Critical Role like the

[00:14:13] other cast members all the time and would call him Mr. Mom because he's the kid in Mr.

[00:14:17] Mom, which is the movie he made right before that came out right before this.

[00:14:19] Uh, so this is his second movie ever.

[00:14:21] Uh, yes.

[00:14:22] And I was just like, what the fuck is going on?

[00:14:24] Yeah.

[00:14:24] He plays Roy Scheider's son in this movie, Christopher Floyd.

[00:14:27] Wild.

[00:14:28] Cool to see.

[00:14:29] Uh, Mary Jo Deschanel, who was Donna's mother on Twin Peaks, uh, and also the mother of Emily

[00:14:34] and Zoe Deschanel plays Betty Fernandez, the widow of Dave Bowman.

[00:14:38] Uh, and Candace Bergen and Murphy Brown herself is the, is the voice of Sal 9000.

[00:14:43] Uh, another one of the peers.

[00:14:45] Yeah.

[00:14:45] Also, uh, Arthur C.

[00:14:47] Clark can be seen as a man feeding pigeons outside the white house.

[00:14:50] Uh, and there is a moment where you see a time magazine cover with the president and

[00:14:54] the Soviet premier.

[00:14:55] The president is Arthur C.

[00:14:56] Clark.

[00:14:56] The Soviet premier is Stanley Kubrick.

[00:14:58] That's the way he would have wanted it.

[00:14:59] Yes, absolutely.

[00:15:02] Uh, so 2010 was written and directed by Peter Hyams.

[00:15:04] Uh, one year after his previous film, the star chamber and two years before his next film

[00:15:09] running scared with Gregory Hines and Billy Crystal.

[00:15:11] Uh, he would also go on to do a few Jean-Claude Van Damme movies.

[00:15:14] Uh, sudden death, uh, is one of his ones in time cop.

[00:15:17] I think as well as another Peter Hyams joint, uh, 2010 opened to number two at the box office

[00:15:22] on December 7th, 1984 opening to number one.

[00:15:26] That weekend was the highest grossing film of that year.

[00:15:29] Mike, do you want to take a stab at it?

[00:15:31] What was the highest grossing film of 1984?

[00:15:34] I don't know.

[00:15:35] 1984.

[00:15:36] No, I have no idea.

[00:15:37] It did come out in 1984, but no, it's not that.

[00:15:40] Uh, I will give you a hint.

[00:15:41] There was a new installment in this franchise this year.

[00:15:44] Is it Ghostbusters?

[00:15:46] It's not Ghostbusters.

[00:15:47] Damn.

[00:15:47] There's too many to pick from cause we're, we're just mining the eighties now.

[00:15:51] Yeah.

[00:15:51] So I have no idea.

[00:15:52] Okay.

[00:15:53] Fair enough.

[00:15:53] Number one, the highest grossing film that year was Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills.

[00:15:57] Okay.

[00:15:58] I would've never got there.

[00:15:59] Did you ever watch the new Beverly Hills?

[00:16:00] No, it forgot all about it.

[00:16:03] I was, I was, I was pleasantly surprised by Beverly Hills cop, Axel F.

[00:16:06] Um, but yeah, that was the number one movie of the year and the number one movie that weekend opening

[00:16:10] to number three was city heat with Clint Eastwood and Burt Reynolds.

[00:16:14] Uh, the rest of the top 10 consisted of the Terminator missing in action night of the comet,

[00:16:20] Supergirl.

[00:16:20] Oh God, you devil falling in love and Amadeus, which would go on to win best picture at the

[00:16:25] Oscars that year.

[00:16:26] Hell yeah.

[00:16:27] Yeah.

[00:16:28] Uh, and the IMDB plot synopsis for 2010 reads a joint USA Soviet expedition is sent to Jupiter

[00:16:34] to learn exactly what happened to the discovery and it's how 9000 computer.

[00:16:39] Uh, so Mike going into this, it sounds like you, uh, you haven't seen 2001 in a very long

[00:16:43] time and the way you watched it, it was maybe not under ideal circumstances for the movie.

[00:16:48] Uh, so you don't have that much relationship with the original films.

[00:16:51] Is that fair to say?

[00:16:51] Correct.

[00:16:52] Yeah.

[00:16:52] I mean, yeah, I recognize it, uh, you know, as the, the towering influential achievement

[00:16:57] as it is and everything.

[00:16:58] But, uh, yeah, personally I'm not super invested in, you know, I don't, I haven't rewatched

[00:17:02] it in 10 years or 15 years or whatever it's been.

[00:17:05] And yeah, so, uh, yeah, I don't have a ton of like connection or attachment to, you know,

[00:17:10] the property of 2001 or whatever, you know, any nostalgia for it at all.

[00:17:14] Okay.

[00:17:15] Fair enough.

[00:17:16] So going into 2010, uh, what exactly were you expecting it to be?

[00:17:20] And what are your overall thoughts on this movie?

[00:17:22] I kind of thought this movie and I don't really know why I, I, I don't, I remember at a certain

[00:17:29] point learning that there is a sequel to 2001 and you're like, well, there's a sequel.

[00:17:33] I got the hell.

[00:17:34] That's crazy.

[00:17:35] Weird.

[00:17:36] That's a weird thing where like, you know, even though like Jaws two, three and four, like

[00:17:39] I feel like people know those exist.

[00:17:41] Yeah.

[00:17:42] You know, people are aware of the Jaws sequels.

[00:17:43] Maybe that's because they air all the time and AMC or whatever, but like, they haven't

[00:17:47] been like overshadowed by the original.

[00:17:49] Like obviously they are, but like they exist.

[00:17:51] People are aware of those movies.

[00:17:53] Uh, and 2010 is like one of those things.

[00:17:55] It's like, Oh, it's, it's sort of been forgotten a little bit like eclipse by, by the monolith

[00:17:59] that is 2001.

[00:18:00] Yeah.

[00:18:01] Yeah.

[00:18:01] And if you're there with the word monolith, that's a good job.

[00:18:03] Proud of you.

[00:18:04] Yeah.

[00:18:04] Um, yeah.

[00:18:05] And it's like the, a little bit like when you're, uh, at least in America before Fury road comes out

[00:18:12] and you're like, did you know that, that road warriors, the second Mad Max.

[00:18:16] And you're like, what?

[00:18:17] There was one before.

[00:18:18] Right.

[00:18:18] It's so weird when that thing happens, we're like a certain thing in a franchise, I guess

[00:18:22] makes more sense when the first one, uh, becomes like so towering that you forget the whole

[00:18:26] rest of the franchise goes away.

[00:18:28] Right.

[00:18:28] So yeah, I had heard about 2010 and was like, wow, that's crazy.

[00:18:31] I can't believe somebody made a sequel to that movie.

[00:18:34] Uh, and then to find out like, Oh, also it's an Arthur C.

[00:18:36] Clark novel.

[00:18:37] Like, Oh, Kubrick, I guess blessed it or whatever, signed off on it.

[00:18:41] Um, so there's like some involvement, which is interesting.

[00:18:44] So I thought maybe it'd be a hot mess just in terms of just the, uh, cultural perception

[00:18:51] or whatever I've heard, like I've heard about it, but I, I heard about its existence, but

[00:18:54] never like knew anything else about it.

[00:18:56] So to that form the thought that like, Oh, it must kind of be worthless or kind of be

[00:19:00] like bad or whatever.

[00:19:02] Um, cause there's never in that, like, kind of like, Oh, this movie actually deserves

[00:19:05] some sort of cultural reappraisal or whatever.

[00:19:07] It's time we re we reclaim 2010 or 2010.

[00:19:11] Right.

[00:19:11] So I was kind of going in expecting that kind of thing.

[00:19:14] Uh, and I think it's better than that, but I think it definitely suffers from one, of

[00:19:20] course, being a sequel to the great, one of the greatest movies, most influential

[00:19:23] movies of all time, you know, by cultural standards.

[00:19:27] Right.

[00:19:27] Uh, even if I don't feel that way, it's hard to, you can't deny that about 2001.

[00:19:31] So it definitely suffers from that.

[00:19:33] And then also definitely suffers from, in my opinion, having to just explain everything.

[00:19:39] We got it.

[00:19:40] It's a, this is a sequel to 2001, a space odyssey.

[00:19:43] We must know what happened to how we must know why this guy did this.

[00:19:48] We must know what, what is the model?

[00:19:49] We must explain the model.

[00:19:51] If you're like, why, why must we explain that?

[00:19:53] In my opinion.

[00:19:54] Um, no, I don't think it really gets into all that stuff, but there is a little bit

[00:19:58] of the Han Solo like effect thing going on where you have to know why these things are

[00:20:04] all happening.

[00:20:05] Overall.

[00:20:05] It's fine.

[00:20:06] I think, I think it is, it still looks really cool.

[00:20:08] There, there's a lot of, we've talked about this recently and, uh, and I can't remember

[00:20:12] what exactly the movie we were talking about.

[00:20:15] It was, I don't even know if it was on complete works, but just the idea, like somebody, I think

[00:20:20] it was Brazil actually, where it's like somebody, we fucking, uh, we've, they built this, like,

[00:20:24] there's a set, there's a real, a real place.

[00:20:26] These people are standing on, you know, in a lot of things.

[00:20:29] And of course that's one of the huge things about 2001 a space odyssey, uh, in particular

[00:20:33] is all the, uh, the technical achievements of how they filmed all these things and how

[00:20:37] they created these sets and special effects and all that.

[00:20:39] So that, that's very interesting.

[00:20:40] I think, uh, I don't know if, you know, to 2010 doesn't come anywhere close to being

[00:20:44] as groundbreaking, obviously, um, as the original, but I think it is just in, in the

[00:20:49] year of our Lord 20, 2024, they built a fucking set.

[00:20:52] And that says, that's saying something, you know, really like, I mean, there's so many

[00:20:57] sets that are painful recreations of the 2001 sets.

[00:21:01] I mean, because the sets from 2000, I was reading about this, the sets from 2001 were

[00:21:05] destroyed after the movie.

[00:21:07] Oh my God.

[00:21:08] You know, I mean, and that, that was kind of just common practice, uh, for a lot of

[00:21:11] movies because once you're, once you're done filming, what are you going to do with the

[00:21:15] set?

[00:21:15] You know, you, you destroy it and you have to make room for new sets kind of thing.

[00:21:19] Right.

[00:21:19] I think about this all the time because Joe Dante tells this story on the movies that made

[00:21:23] me his podcast where he has apparently one of the original screen used rosebud sleds

[00:21:31] from Citizen Kane.

[00:21:32] Really?

[00:21:33] Because he was walking on whatever lot past some guy dumping shit into a dumpster and

[00:21:39] was like, Hey, is that a rosebud sled?

[00:21:41] And he was like, yeah, we're cleaning out the vault.

[00:21:43] And he's like, can I take that?

[00:21:44] And they were like, yeah, sure.

[00:21:45] And it turns out it's one of the original, it's just the original sleds.

[00:21:49] But one of the, yeah.

[00:21:50] Like one of the few props.

[00:21:51] Yeah.

[00:21:52] Like one of the screen used props.

[00:21:53] Uh, that's amazing.

[00:21:54] Which is insane.

[00:21:55] Just some dumpster.

[00:21:57] Um, so that's the way these guys, these exec, you know, Zaslavs treat these things.

[00:22:02] Yeah.

[00:22:02] Right.

[00:22:02] We're going to blame Zaslav for that one too.

[00:22:04] Yeah.

[00:22:04] I think Zaslav types.

[00:22:06] Yes.

[00:22:07] Uh, yeah, no, I, I, so yeah, all the sets from 2001 were destroyed after the, after they

[00:22:11] finished filming, after the movie was done.

[00:22:12] Uh, and so every like set you see that is like from 2001 in this movie is like a painstaking

[00:22:19] recreation of that.

[00:22:20] Uh, I think they do it and make like, it looks the same.

[00:22:23] It looks good.

[00:22:24] Yeah.

[00:22:24] When, when, uh, David is in the orange seat, you're like, Oh baby.

[00:22:28] Or the red seat, whatever, whatever he's in the, uh, it is, it is undeniably cool that

[00:22:33] like, Oh shit, it's, it's the, they remade this.

[00:22:35] They brought it back.

[00:22:36] Absolutely.

[00:22:37] Uh, yeah, I'll say, so I have seen 2012, uh, 2010 once before, uh, I was curious about

[00:22:41] it a few years back and it was like, Oh, I should watch the sequels.

[00:22:43] Doesn't want to space out.

[00:22:45] And in my memory, I was always like, I really liked 2010.

[00:22:49] Like I, I, I was always a guy who was like, yeah, 2010 is pretty cool.

[00:22:53] Uh, and then I went back to my letterbox, uh, and I discovered that I had given it two

[00:22:56] and a half stars and I was like, that doesn't sound right.

[00:22:59] I think I liked this more than I thought I did, uh, or whatever.

[00:23:03] So maybe just over, over the years, I've like thought back to it every once in a while

[00:23:06] and been like, Oh yeah, that was a cool movie.

[00:23:07] I liked this thing that it did anyway, I rewatched it and I think it rocks.

[00:23:10] It's a, it's a, it's a cool time.

[00:23:13] I mean, I think what I like about it, uh, is that it is, uh, you know, it is a direct

[00:23:18] sequel to 2001.

[00:23:19] It is also so different, uh, than that movie.

[00:23:22] And I think, uh, having just recently rewatched 2001 kind of helped me a little bit, uh, where

[00:23:26] 2001, I remember being very, very abstract and it is, uh, you know, at many different points,

[00:23:32] but there's also like a lot more dialogue in the movie that I remember there being.

[00:23:35] Um, and there's this whole stretch in the middle.

[00:23:37] That's just like, you know, people talking on a ship and like explaining the mission and

[00:23:40] all that kind of stuff.

[00:23:41] And I completely blocked that stuff out of my memory from 2001.

[00:23:44] I was like, yeah, you know, there's the apes in the beginning and then they find the monolith

[00:23:47] and then yeah, there's the zoomies.

[00:23:50] There's the crazy shit.

[00:23:52] And then a giant baby.

[00:23:52] Yeah, that's it.

[00:23:53] Um, so that, that's like the, the imagery that sticks with you the most in 2001, but there

[00:23:57] is that element of just like, you know, hanging around, uh, reciting expository dialogue.

[00:24:02] Right.

[00:24:03] And this movie is just more about that than anything else.

[00:24:06] Uh, and I think it's actually like a very solid kind of sci-fi procedural, uh, with a

[00:24:11] really, really great cast, uh, kind of doing interesting things, uh, with that material.

[00:24:15] Uh, especially with Roy Scheider.

[00:24:17] I think he's fantastic in this movie.

[00:24:19] Yeah.

[00:24:19] Look, I'm a sucker for a space rescue mission.

[00:24:22] No matter what's going on.

[00:24:24] Yeah.

[00:24:24] I'm in, uh, having just rewatched event horizon for the 10th time or whatever, like with

[00:24:30] Paul WS Anderson in attendance, attendance to had some fun stuff to talk about.

[00:24:34] So like just the, the conceit, like when this movie starts and it's like the Russian guy at

[00:24:38] the radar array or whatever, trying to convince Roy Scheider that like, we have to go rescue

[00:24:43] to, we have to send a mission to the discovery and find out what happened.

[00:24:47] And I'm just like, Oh baby, like rubbing my hands again.

[00:24:50] Like let's go.

[00:24:51] Yes.

[00:24:52] But it's such a vast difference from how 2001 starts, which is, you know, 10 minutes of

[00:24:57] monkeys jumping around.

[00:24:58] Exactly.

[00:24:59] Yeah.

[00:25:00] And then that guy just doing a jogging on the space station or whatever for what feels like

[00:25:04] an hour in my memory.

[00:25:05] Right.

[00:25:06] It's probably 30 seconds.

[00:25:08] Right.

[00:25:09] But yeah, so I, I think it does a really effective job of it's, it's a fun enough sequel.

[00:25:14] Like it's, it's a weird thing where it's like, yes, it's a sequel.

[00:25:16] 2001, 2001 is obviously better.

[00:25:19] It's, you know, but I think there is a lot of distinct pleasures to have out of 2010.

[00:25:25] I think it looks really, it looks great.

[00:25:27] All the actors are given really solid performances.

[00:25:30] I think the, the mission that they kind of come up with is really interesting.

[00:25:33] And I think the ways that it ties back to this one are pretty interesting.

[00:25:37] When like the ghost of Dave Bowman is like sort of haunting their ships and stuff into

[00:25:41] it.

[00:25:42] I liked that a lot.

[00:25:43] I like the way it incorporates how 9,000 and like, it's a weird thing where like, how is

[00:25:46] sort of the villain of the first movie, but he's kind of the hero of this one.

[00:25:50] It's really weird that they, they, they decide to have a redemption arc for, for how it explain

[00:25:56] that, uh, they like lied to him and that's why he went crazy and killed everybody.

[00:26:01] Right.

[00:26:02] What the fuck?

[00:26:05] Yeah.

[00:26:05] But yeah, so it's, it's a real, uh, you know, he's part of the family now.

[00:26:08] It's like a fast and furious thing where he's like, yeah, he's, he's one of the good guys

[00:26:12] now.

[00:26:13] Um, but, uh, yeah, so I think they, uh, there's a lot of really interesting stuff in this movie

[00:26:16] that I really enjoyed.

[00:26:17] So yeah, 2010 on a rewatch, still dig it.

[00:26:20] Still, still have a good time with it.

[00:26:21] I guess I didn't like it that much when I first saw it, even though I thought I did.

[00:26:24] Yeah.

[00:26:25] Well, you, you hadn't fully come into your star Trek, the motion picture personality yet.

[00:26:30] That is true.

[00:26:31] That is very true.

[00:26:32] Star Trek, the motion picture, the best star Trek movie, uh, as we all know.

[00:26:37] Uh, that's my, that's my favorite thing.

[00:26:39] I love that.

[00:26:40] What did you think of Roy Scheider in this movie, Mike?

[00:26:42] Um, I think he's really good.

[00:26:44] I think, uh, it's another, uh, entry in the short swatch.

[00:26:47] Uh, he's starts off rocking some short shorts on the antenna array or radar array or whatever.

[00:26:53] And I think it's interesting in a movie like for a movie where we we've seen him phone it

[00:26:57] in.

[00:26:58] I don't know if he's phoning it in and jaws too, right?

[00:27:00] Necessarily.

[00:27:01] But I don't think he's phoning it in.

[00:27:03] Like he got to, he came to blows with the director over the, uh, over the direction

[00:27:07] of the film.

[00:27:08] Like he, like, even though he didn't want to do it, he cared passionately about, uh, about

[00:27:11] that movie.

[00:27:12] Exactly.

[00:27:12] That's a good point.

[00:27:13] There's a lot of potential for somebody like him to phone it in, in the sequel to 2001.

[00:27:18] Right.

[00:27:18] And he doesn't is what I'm, it was where I'm going.

[00:27:20] I think he's given a really good performance.

[00:27:22] It's funny to see him just like still be in these sort of, I mean, he's a scientist,

[00:27:28] but it's like part of the military, right?

[00:27:30] Or whatever is going on, whatever the whole, I don't really know how the weird space astronauts

[00:27:35] occupy between scientists and fighter pilot or whatever.

[00:27:38] Right.

[00:27:39] That whole thing.

[00:27:40] Um, so he's in there.

[00:27:41] Uh, but yeah, I think he's given a, it's a really good performance and the cast rules.

[00:27:45] Like there's so many, it's wild to be like, I had to pause and be like, is that Helen Mirren?

[00:27:50] Did I just not notice her name in the credits?

[00:27:52] And yeah, I had to like go on IMDb and look and then it was like John Lithgow, Bob Balaban,

[00:27:55] of course.

[00:27:56] Um, and when I saw Bob Balaban's character name, cause like he puts it, his hand on like

[00:28:01] a, uh, like hand fingerprint scanner thing.

[00:28:04] And it's like Dr. Chandra.

[00:28:05] And I was like, Oh no, is he going to be like in brown face?

[00:28:08] Like what's going to, like, this is going to be so awkward.

[00:28:10] And then he's not.

[00:28:10] And I was like, thank God.

[00:28:11] Okay.

[00:28:11] Yeah.

[00:28:12] It's a weird, like, yeah, he's supposed to be, uh, of Indian descent, uh, in the movie.

[00:28:16] Yeah.

[00:28:17] Apparently I think it was Arthur C. Clark who wanted, uh, Ben Kingsley to play the role

[00:28:20] because, because Ben Kingsley had just been in Gandhi.

[00:28:23] Right.

[00:28:24] Uh, and then he, I think he passed on it.

[00:28:26] And so Bob Balaban got the role instead.

[00:28:29] Wild.

[00:28:29] So yeah.

[00:28:29] Anyway, yeah, it's, it's just a cool cast of character actors and rush writer.

[00:28:33] And it's like, it's, you know, people that look like it.

[00:28:35] I saw some review, maybe Matt Singer, maybe on letterbox or somebody talking about,

[00:28:40] how this movie has more of a aesthetic closer to alien than it does like the more working

[00:28:46] class kind of almost truckers in space vibe.

[00:28:49] Yes.

[00:28:50] Uh, then it does closer to 2001 with his like pristine white lines and all that stuff going

[00:28:55] on.

[00:28:55] So yeah, I think it just looks, it looks cool.

[00:28:57] I think Shiner's given a good performance.

[00:28:59] Uh, we also have another one of our, um, opening intro quotes.

[00:29:04] I didn't know.

[00:29:05] You sons of bitches.

[00:29:07] Yes.

[00:29:08] I didn't know.

[00:29:10] Just a really weird line reading.

[00:29:12] Honestly.

[00:29:12] He's a few of those in this movie, which I appreciate it, which is fun.

[00:29:16] Uh, Helen Mirren has a Russian accent in this movie.

[00:29:18] So that's fine.

[00:29:19] Did, was the Russian untrans unsubtitled for you?

[00:29:23] Was it Russian unsubtitled?

[00:29:25] I don't recall.

[00:29:27] Okay.

[00:29:28] There's not a lot of sequences that are just in Russian, are there?

[00:29:30] There's not a lot, but there's like a couple, like in particular, it's the, the first time

[00:29:34] you hear it is when, uh, they're bringing Shiner like out of hibernation or deep, whatever

[00:29:40] the deep sleep stuff they do in this movie.

[00:29:42] Yeah.

[00:29:43] Uh, in all space travel movies.

[00:29:44] Right.

[00:29:44] Uh, but there's like, it's like, you know, maybe 20 seconds of them talking in Russian

[00:29:47] because he hasn't woken up yet kind of stuff.

[00:29:49] And I was like, huh, this is weird.

[00:29:50] And I had the download.

[00:29:51] I had, had 10 subtitle tracks and I went through all 10 of them and all of them either had no

[00:29:58] subtitles or just man speaking Russian.

[00:30:01] Okay.

[00:30:01] And I was like, so that leads me to believe that the, like it's intentionally unsubtitled,

[00:30:05] but I, cause you're kind of Roy shatters your point of view character.

[00:30:08] And so if he doesn't understand Russian, you don't understand Russian kind of thing.

[00:30:11] Yeah.

[00:30:11] Sort of.

[00:30:11] And then in particular, the movie is sort of about us Russian relations, which the first

[00:30:16] one is also, I guess, but like explicitly in the plot is sort of like a Cuban missile

[00:30:20] crisis thing happening on in Honduras or whatever.

[00:30:23] Right.

[00:30:23] Where they're trying to blockade each other.

[00:30:25] Well, yeah.

[00:30:25] And this movie is comes out in 1984.

[00:30:27] So it's a real like height of the cold war kind of a movie.

[00:30:30] Right.

[00:30:31] And like the resolution of the movie solves the cold war.

[00:30:34] Right.

[00:30:36] So that's weird.

[00:30:36] Uh, or solves this crisis.

[00:30:38] So, so like, yeah, it, it, it feeds into the, uh, thematics of the movie that they don't,

[00:30:43] they don't speak the same language a lot and they don't trust each other to be speaking

[00:30:46] a common language yet.

[00:30:47] All that stuff.

[00:30:48] Yeah.

[00:30:48] It is interesting that like in the, uh, in this movie's vision of the future in the year

[00:30:52] 2010, like America and Russia are still at odds.

[00:30:56] Yeah.

[00:30:56] We, we never, artistically, we never saw a world where we would be at peace until 1991

[00:31:02] when the Berlin wall fell.

[00:31:03] Like, right.

[00:31:04] Cause it's like a big deal when they like kind of set this mission.

[00:31:06] It's like a Russian mission of cosmonauts that are going into space and Roy Scheider

[00:31:10] kind of like, and the other guy who kind of sets up the mission with him are like, well,

[00:31:13] we can try to get some Americans on there to help look at, look for the discovery.

[00:31:16] And like, you know, like we know that's going to be like a political minefield, but we have

[00:31:20] to do it.

[00:31:21] Yeah.

[00:31:21] And then, uh, yeah.

[00:31:22] And then there's this moment, uh, when, uh, back on earth, like this sort of Cuban

[00:31:26] missile crisis thing is happening.

[00:31:27] And, uh, I think Russian and American forces are, are told to separate.

[00:31:31] And so the American astronauts have to leave the ship.

[00:31:33] Right.

[00:31:34] Yeah.

[00:31:34] Yeah.

[00:31:35] There's a whole thing going on where like, I think it's Honduras or somewhere in central

[00:31:39] or South America, the U S has blockaded the Russian ships in the port or something like

[00:31:45] that.

[00:31:45] Right.

[00:31:46] And they're like, won't let them leave or something.

[00:31:47] And yeah.

[00:31:48] And so they must, they must separate, uh, on the ship on the spaceship.

[00:31:52] Um, and, and they have like the Roy Scheider and John Lithgow discuss this like secret

[00:31:57] bomb they've planted to, to set if the Russians seem like they're going to sabotage, we'll

[00:32:01] sabotage first.

[00:32:02] And it's like all this crazy shit.

[00:32:03] And you're like, aren't we here to talk about how let's, what's all this?

[00:32:07] Yeah.

[00:32:07] But at this point, like they've, they've been sort of like bonding as a crew over the

[00:32:11] course of the movie.

[00:32:11] And so it's sort of like the sort of, um, you know, kind of battle between like where

[00:32:15] do your loyalties lies or between like the human connections that you've made with

[00:32:18] these people, uh, or to your country who are telling you to do this thing.

[00:32:21] Right.

[00:32:22] Right.

[00:32:22] Exactly.

[00:32:22] Yeah.

[00:32:23] You know, sort of like Hal in the mission.

[00:32:25] What's his royalty to the crew or to the middle?

[00:32:27] Oh my gosh.

[00:32:28] Yes.

[00:32:29] I, I love Bob Balban's relationship to Hal.

[00:32:32] I don't know.

[00:32:32] Like the, the, the, the, the weird obsession he has with, uh, that, like what happened on

[00:32:37] the mission?

[00:32:37] Like, you know, what, how, where did Hal go wrong?

[00:32:39] I don't understand.

[00:32:40] Like, you know, uh, and yeah, I, I liked that a lot.

[00:32:43] That was cool.

[00:32:44] Yeah.

[00:32:44] Whatever his, they, they, they call him, I forget what they call him.

[00:32:47] I don't think it's like his official title, like, you know, position or whatever, but they

[00:32:51] call him something about, uh, computer psychologist or whatever.

[00:32:55] Cause like, right.

[00:32:55] How like they're, they're fully autonomous, uh, AI, right?

[00:32:59] AI beings.

[00:32:59] Yeah.

[00:33:00] AI and, or Hal and Sal.

[00:33:02] And, uh, that's why he has to come along to reprogram and puts Hal back together.

[00:33:07] Cause they know that, that, uh, David destroyed him at the, at the end of the discovery mission.

[00:33:11] Right.

[00:33:12] Right.

[00:33:12] And so they want to figure out what happened at the end of discovery and that's why they

[00:33:15] kind of start to reprogram how, right?

[00:33:16] Right.

[00:33:17] Exactly.

[00:33:17] Uh, but that's fascinating.

[00:33:19] Um, all that stuff, like that whole, uh, philosophical debate are, are these people and

[00:33:24] he keeps like, you know, I think he keeps referring to how as a person and Roy Scheider keeps

[00:33:29] calling it saying it and like all this stuff.

[00:33:31] Right.

[00:33:31] Very, very fascinating.

[00:33:33] Yes, absolutely.

[00:33:34] So how do you think this fits into the Roy Scheider roles that we've seen so far, Mike?

[00:33:38] Well, it's interesting that he's kind of pivoted from like beat cop, uh, specifically to like

[00:33:44] pilot, right?

[00:33:46] Like after blue thunder and now this, yeah.

[00:33:49] And now this, although I guess he's more of like a scientist, right?

[00:33:51] He, like I said, that like weird space astronauts, uh, straddle between like military pilot and

[00:33:58] that and scientist.

[00:33:59] Um, right.

[00:34:00] So I'm not exactly sure what his position is, but yeah.

[00:34:02] Which by the way, blue thunder back in the news.

[00:34:04] I don't know if you saw, I saw your, I, I refuse to believe this is real.

[00:34:08] Uh, yeah.

[00:34:08] I mean, it's a, you know, a shot in the dark Reddit comments that the word, this, this

[00:34:12] rumor is coming from, but the rumor is that Christopher Nolan's next film, while not a

[00:34:17] remake of blue thunder is heavily inspired by blue thunder.

[00:34:20] Yes.

[00:34:21] Uh, which, uh, and he's supposedly according to the rumor, he's been like passing out DVDs

[00:34:25] to all his cast members and crew members to be like, you gotta watch blue thunder, man.

[00:34:30] That sounds so cool.

[00:34:32] Uh, and I have to imagine if that is true, it's because Christopher Nolan's hyped up about the

[00:34:36] Roy Shatter podcast.

[00:34:37] The complete works.

[00:34:38] He's excited for our blue thunder episode, which, uh, as of this recording has not been

[00:34:41] released yet.

[00:34:42] Uh, as soon as it does, we'll be getting a call.

[00:34:45] I'm sure.

[00:34:45] Exactly.

[00:34:45] Yes.

[00:34:46] We're going to, we're going to give script notes on Nolan's next film.

[00:34:51] Exactly.

[00:34:51] So yeah.

[00:34:52] Uh, he's, he's pivoting more into like a military advisor type thing.

[00:34:56] Also like as he's the head or for the former chief of whatever national space, but thing,

[00:35:01] right?

[00:35:02] Uh, it's not NASA, but whatever it is.

[00:35:04] So yeah, I don't know.

[00:35:04] He's, he's becoming, he's aging into a slightly different military police type of role that

[00:35:10] he's been occupying lately.

[00:35:12] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:35:13] I mean, I think, uh, you know, we've talked about jaws too, a little bit and how it's a

[00:35:16] sequel to one of the great movies ever made.

[00:35:18] And this is also one of the, one of those, but I think it is actually does kind of connect

[00:35:21] back to his role in jaws as well.

[00:35:23] Uh, where he is a family man and he's a family man in this movie.

[00:35:26] Uh, and he has to leave his family for an extended period of time.

[00:35:29] It's a good point.

[00:35:30] Yeah.

[00:35:30] You know, in jaws, it's only for a few days while he goes to hunt the shark.

[00:35:33] Um, but in this it's, you know, for several months, he's going to be like in cryo sleep,

[00:35:37] all that stuff.

[00:35:38] But, uh, it does have sort of a similar setup.

[00:35:40] This is like if the back half of jaws was the entire movie.

[00:35:44] Um, but the first like 15, 20 minutes or so it's Roy shatter on earth, uh, being

[00:35:48] with his family, kind of learning what the mission is, accepting the assignments, all

[00:35:51] that stuff.

[00:35:52] Uh, and so you're seeing, you're seeing, you're building an emotional connection with him and

[00:35:55] his family and then he has to leave.

[00:35:57] Yeah.

[00:35:57] That's a good point.

[00:35:57] I didn't, I didn't make that connection that yeah, it's a lot of it is it's, you know,

[00:36:01] the, the, the first 15 minutes are the first 45 minutes of jaws or whatever.

[00:36:06] Right.

[00:36:06] And yeah, I don't, what other, is there other direct movies that it connects to?

[00:36:09] I can't think of off the top of my head.

[00:36:11] How does it relate to shielding is dead and living in earth?

[00:36:14] Yeah.

[00:36:15] Hmm.

[00:36:16] Yeah.

[00:36:17] I mean, it's, it's a weird, uh, you know, he's still a leading man at this point and

[00:36:20] he's still like, you know, leading movies.

[00:36:21] And this is like position that's sort of a big blockbuster.

[00:36:24] Uh, I think it does well enough.

[00:36:26] I think it's the 17th highest grossing movie of 1984 or something like that.

[00:36:30] It's not in the top 10 or like that, but you know, I think it performs.

[00:36:33] It does.

[00:36:33] All right.

[00:36:34] Yeah.

[00:36:35] We'll take it.

[00:36:35] I'll take it, you know?

[00:36:37] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:36:38] It made a, okay.

[00:36:39] I had a budget of $28 million.

[00:36:40] It made $40 million in North America.

[00:36:43] Uh, so yeah, it did.

[00:36:45] Okay.

[00:36:45] It's fine.

[00:36:46] It only almost doubled.

[00:36:47] Pshaw.

[00:36:50] Exactly.

[00:36:50] But you know, at this, at this point in his career, you know, I mean, we've talked

[00:36:53] about that miracle seventies run, where she's like so many incredible movies.

[00:36:56] Uh, and then in the eighties, I think that starts to falter a little bit.

[00:37:00] Uh, I mean, there's still the night, uh, which is Meryl, well, Meryl Streep considers her

[00:37:03] worst movie ever made and kind of bombs.

[00:37:06] But then there's blue thunder, which is a, you know, a pretty solid hit and like a pretty

[00:37:09] cool one for Roy shattered have.

[00:37:11] And there's this 2010.

[00:37:12] And then, you know, it's, it's a mixed bag from this point forward.

[00:37:14] So some, some stuff hits, some stuff doesn't, uh, nothing is like going to be as like

[00:37:20] culturally relevant 50 years later as some of the stuff he made in the seventies, you

[00:37:24] know, like blue thunder, as much as we enjoyed it is not, uh, the French connection,

[00:37:28] you know, that kind of thing.

[00:37:31] And so there's, uh, other stuff.

[00:37:32] I mean, there's, there's big movies coming up.

[00:37:34] Like, uh, next week we're talking Paul Schrader's Mishima, a life in four chapters, uh, which

[00:37:38] were shuttered the narration for, uh, you know, later, later on, we're going to have David

[00:37:42] Cronenberg's naked lunch, uh, all that stuff.

[00:37:45] But, uh, you know, it's going to be more movies like 52 pickup, you know, like, yeah,

[00:37:50] yeah, yeah.

[00:37:51] Which is a John Frankenheimer joint.

[00:37:52] I'm excited.

[00:37:53] I'm excited to get to it, but it's going to be more stuff like that or Cohen and Tate, uh,

[00:37:57] or things like that, you know?

[00:37:58] Yeah.

[00:37:59] I mean, and plus to just thinking about, this is like almost a legacy equal.

[00:38:02] Like there's how, how long is it between the first 2001 is 1968 and this is 1984.

[00:38:09] So it has been 16 years since this one came out when this, so yeah, I mean, this is weirdly,

[00:38:15] uh, it's sort of, it is sort of, it's, you know, there are a couple of returning cast.

[00:38:19] There's Kira D'Elia and Douglas Fran is Hal 9000.

[00:38:21] Uh, but it's largely focused on a new set of characters.

[00:38:24] Cameos.

[00:38:25] Yeah.

[00:38:25] Yeah.

[00:38:26] Some cameos.

[00:38:27] Uh, yeah.

[00:38:28] You know, it is kind of a legacy equal to 2001.

[00:38:31] Uh, I, I have always kind of considered the first legacy equal to be Martin Scorsese's

[00:38:35] The Color of Money.

[00:38:37] Right.

[00:38:37] But this is before that.

[00:38:38] So maybe 2010 is actually like, it's among the first legacy equals at least.

[00:38:42] At least.

[00:38:42] Yeah.

[00:38:43] Fascinating.

[00:38:43] That was just an interesting thing I was thinking about.

[00:38:45] I was like, wait a second, how long it's cause they keep talking about in the movie,

[00:38:48] it's been nine years.

[00:38:49] And I was like, oh, so it's probably nine years since the, and then I was like, wait,

[00:38:53] that's more 1968 to 19.

[00:38:54] That's more than nine years.

[00:38:55] I got to math this out in my head.

[00:38:57] Yeah.

[00:38:57] Hold on.

[00:38:58] Count my fingers and see how many years it's been.

[00:39:02] Uh, any other scenes or moments in 2010 that stand out to you, Mike, anything you wanted

[00:39:05] to mention?

[00:39:05] I did want to talk about the fact that Roy Scheider owns dolphins.

[00:39:09] I was going to bring up the dolphins cause that is, that is the most futuristic this

[00:39:13] movie gets.

[00:39:14] Like it's, it's boldest prediction for 2010.

[00:39:18] Yes.

[00:39:18] It is.

[00:39:19] Uh, we own dolphins as pets.

[00:39:21] Yes.

[00:39:21] If you're in Roy Scheider's house, it seems like, oh wow, he must be very wealthy.

[00:39:25] He has a pool in his house.

[00:39:26] Yeah.

[00:39:27] Uh, like eating doors.

[00:39:28] Uh, and then dolphins swim up.

[00:39:29] You're like, oh my God, there's dolphins in the house.

[00:39:31] And toddler Taliesin Jaffe feeds them.

[00:39:33] Yes.

[00:39:34] Like what is going on?

[00:39:36] Uh, yeah, that's bizarre.

[00:39:38] The boldest prediction the movie could have made.

[00:39:40] Yeah.

[00:39:40] It's not about the spaceship or the monolith or Jupiter becoming a sun or whatever the

[00:39:45] fuck happens at the end of this movie.

[00:39:46] It's about the fact that on earth we own dolphins as pets.

[00:39:50] Exactly.

[00:39:50] Yes.

[00:39:51] Crazy.

[00:39:52] Uh, were you going to say something before I brought up the dolphins?

[00:39:54] Um, well I wanted to bring up just the, uh, it's interesting that the movie has a extended

[00:40:02] spacewalk sequence also where the only sound is people breathing just like in the first

[00:40:06] one.

[00:40:06] But in this one, it's really intense.

[00:40:09] John Lithgow has a panic attack.

[00:40:10] Like when they first do that, uh, the, uh, spacewalk thing to get to the discovery between

[00:40:14] the ships, they like the boarding party.

[00:40:16] Um, and it's, it's a really long sequence of about, you know, them slowly drifting to

[00:40:21] the discovery.

[00:40:22] Uh, and they're having, I think, I think, uh, Mr. Dickhead does great.

[00:40:26] Um, um, and yeah, I mean, it's an intense sequence cause then he starts to panic and

[00:40:30] he's talking about how he's afraid of heights and he's looking down at the surface of a planet

[00:40:33] and like all this stuff.

[00:40:34] And, uh, he's, he has a full on like hyperventilating panic attack and stuff and it's, it's scary.

[00:40:40] Yeah, no, absolutely.

[00:40:41] It reminded me of stuff from, uh, sunshine, which we talked about in the show podcast too.

[00:40:45] Yeah.

[00:40:45] Uh, yeah, that's a great sequence.

[00:40:47] Uh, I really like when, uh, Roy Shatter first wakes up, uh, in the, in the spaceship and,

[00:40:51] uh, he wakes up a while before John Lithgow and Bob Balaban do.

[00:40:55] Um, but, uh, yeah, so it's just him and the Russian cosmonauts and he's trying to get a

[00:40:59] sense of what's going on and they're kind of hiding information from him because he's a,

[00:41:02] he's an American.

[00:41:03] He can't be trusted.

[00:41:04] Uh, and, but he's like, I need to know this information if we're going to, you know,

[00:41:09] succeed in this mission.

[00:41:09] If we're, if we're going to do what we plan to do, I need to know what you guys are doing.

[00:41:13] Uh, and like very like reluctantly, they're giving him information.

[00:41:17] There's this one line read where, uh, you know, he's, they, they've discovered chlorophyll

[00:41:20] on Jupiter, I think.

[00:41:21] And there's like, well, that's major news.

[00:41:23] That's the, that's something that, that's support life on Jupiter.

[00:41:26] Like that's, that's insane.

[00:41:27] And like, what are you guys doing?

[00:41:28] And it's like, well, you know, we're going to send a probe down.

[00:41:31] And like Roy Shatter has this one, like good.

[00:41:35] Yeah.

[00:41:36] Do that.

[00:41:38] Yeah.

[00:41:39] Um, yeah.

[00:41:40] And he has this thing where he's like, he's like, well, I, I forget exactly the whole thing.

[00:41:44] He's like, I thought we'd do this thing where like, I'll ask you questions and you tell me

[00:41:48] things and then you ask me questions and I'll tell you things like, like, like, yeah, this

[00:41:51] is how conversations work.

[00:41:52] Yeah.

[00:41:53] Cause they're very clearly not telling him the full story, uh, before they reveal that yes,

[00:41:57] they have discovered evidence of life on IO maybe or something.

[00:42:01] One of the moons of Jupiter.

[00:42:01] One of the moons of Jupiter.

[00:42:02] Yeah.

[00:42:02] Yeah.

[00:42:03] It's, it's, it's fascinating.

[00:42:05] That scene is I think intense.

[00:42:06] And then that's part of why they woke him up early, right?

[00:42:08] They, they start, they're really cagey about the fact that, you know, because of our readings

[00:42:13] or whatever, our government instructed us to wake you up, even though we don't want

[00:42:17] to kind of thing, right?

[00:42:18] That's how they all start off.

[00:42:19] And that's yeah.

[00:42:20] The beginning of the monolith evolution or whatever, which the monolith is weird.

[00:42:24] I don't know.

[00:42:24] We really know what this movie decides to do with the monolith.

[00:42:26] I guess.

[00:42:27] I think the monolith is still like a sort of unknowable thing by the end of the movie.

[00:42:32] Like it's, it sort of tries to explain it a little bit.

[00:42:34] Yeah.

[00:42:34] But it's still like a, it's, it's this crazy weird thing out in the distance that we don't

[00:42:39] really know too much about by the end.

[00:42:41] Right?

[00:42:42] Well, I don't know.

[00:42:42] I think, I think the movie tries to do both way.

[00:42:45] All right.

[00:42:45] Cause the 2001, it's always like there at it's, it's present at these like important historical,

[00:42:50] uh, human evolution moments, right?

[00:42:52] Like when the monkey picks up the bone for the first time, right?

[00:42:55] The whole thing, whatever the tool, um, and all that stuff.

[00:42:57] And in this it's present on IO presumably for like the evolution of the creation of a new

[00:43:03] life.

[00:43:03] But is the monolith the life?

[00:43:05] Because there's like millions of them inflating in like creating Jupiter, turning Jupiter into

[00:43:10] a sun or whatever.

[00:43:11] Right.

[00:43:11] At the end of the movie.

[00:43:13] Um, so it's like, I don't know.

[00:43:14] Just like, is it, is this, and I guess that's the philosophical question.

[00:43:17] Is it this passive observer of these things or is it causing them?

[00:43:20] Uh, and that's right to me, it's pretty definitively causing them by the end of this movie.

[00:43:25] Uh, that's less interesting than the question of which one is it?

[00:43:28] Uh, interesting.

[00:43:29] This, the sequel thing of like, we must explain.

[00:43:31] I think it's actually Europa, not IO.

[00:43:33] Is it Europa?

[00:43:34] Okay.

[00:43:34] Yeah.

[00:43:35] I mean, just cause that's where the, uh, the monolith is at the very end of the movie.

[00:43:38] Um, and, and when you there, like when Hal kind of goes through the whole thing, uh,

[00:43:42] there is a message that's transmitted, uh, from the monoliths, right?

[00:43:46] Yeah.

[00:43:46] Well, yeah.

[00:43:47] Cause it's David who I guess is in the monolith or whatever.

[00:43:50] He is one with them now.

[00:43:52] He's in the nether verse or whatever.

[00:43:53] Uh, yeah.

[00:43:54] And so there's this message that gets sent out that says all these worlds are yours except

[00:43:58] Europa.

[00:43:59] Attempt no landing there.

[00:44:01] Use them together.

[00:44:02] Use them in peace.

[00:44:03] Oh, we solved the cold war.

[00:44:04] We did.

[00:44:05] Yes.

[00:44:06] Like a news, like a news bulletin.

[00:44:08] Like, oh, those ships are going home at the end of the movie.

[00:44:10] Right.

[00:44:11] Okay.

[00:44:11] Yes.

[00:44:12] Although if I know Americans, they're getting to Europa.

[00:44:15] They're coming back.

[00:44:16] Sure.

[00:44:16] For Europa.

[00:44:18] If we tell, if you told them there's one place they can't go, they're going to try to

[00:44:21] go there.

[00:44:22] Um, but yeah.

[00:44:22] And the final image you see is, uh, is Europa kind of transforming into a jungle and there's

[00:44:27] a monolith that shows up and it's, it's there.

[00:44:29] Uh, yeah, no, I, I think the ending is, is very hopeful.

[00:44:32] It's very, it's, I don't know.

[00:44:33] It feels different than the ending of 2001 for sure.

[00:44:36] Yes.

[00:44:36] Yeah.

[00:44:37] It definitely ends on a very triumphant feeling moment of that shot of the monolith in the

[00:44:42] swamp with the second sun behind it or whatever.

[00:44:45] Right.

[00:44:45] Which is weird.

[00:44:45] I don't know.

[00:44:46] I don't know.

[00:44:46] I just, that was part of a like deflating or whatever.

[00:44:49] I don't know.

[00:44:49] Like it is very hopeful and maybe trite.

[00:44:51] Is there where, I don't know.

[00:44:51] I don't know how I felt, I felt weird about it.

[00:44:52] And I was like, why do you think you're solving anything with the, like, come on.

[00:44:55] The, the first one S ends on the question mark and the whole thing.

[00:44:58] Uh, and this one is like, no, we sold peace.

[00:45:01] We solved it.

[00:45:01] We did it.

[00:45:02] I guess.

[00:45:04] Yeah.

[00:45:04] Fair enough.

[00:45:05] But I think, you know, and it's again, one of those things where it's like it, because

[00:45:07] it exists under the shadow of 2001, that's sort of why it feels that way.

[00:45:11] But like, if you kind of just take this movie on its own terms where it's like, this is

[00:45:14] yes, it's a seal 2001, but it's, it's doing its own thing.

[00:45:18] Yeah.

[00:45:18] Uh, I think the ending works, uh, for me, uh, we should talk about Dave Bowman, uh, more,

[00:45:24] you know, cause, uh, yeah, he doesn't show up until like at least halfway through the

[00:45:27] movie.

[00:45:27] And, uh, I think what, I think what it does with Dave is pretty interesting where he is

[00:45:31] like, you know, sort of a ghost figure who, uh, I think, I think the first thing you see

[00:45:36] him do is, uh, contact his wife.

[00:45:39] Yeah.

[00:45:39] Well, you find out that you've been hearing him, right?

[00:45:42] There's that, like, my God, it's full of stars audio clip.

[00:45:45] That's like his final transmission or whatever.

[00:45:47] Um, throughout the movie, you've been hearing him.

[00:45:50] Uh, and I think we should talk about the opening sequence too, but we'll get there in

[00:45:52] a second.

[00:45:52] Um, yeah.

[00:45:53] The first time you see him is like on a TV screen that his wife is watching.

[00:45:58] Right.

[00:45:59] Uh, and I was like, wow, that's going to be a wild.

[00:46:01] And it's kind of like a max head room.

[00:46:03] Like it looks really distorted and weird and funky.

[00:46:05] Uh, and I was like, is this a first like AI version of a cameo or like a digital recreation

[00:46:10] of an actor that didn't come back or something?

[00:46:12] Yeah.

[00:46:13] Cause I'm this really distorted TV image.

[00:46:14] And then, yeah.

[00:46:15] And tells her like, I'm okay.

[00:46:17] Or something.

[00:46:18] He said it has some like final goodbye moment or something.

[00:46:20] He offers closure.

[00:46:21] Right.

[00:46:22] Yeah.

[00:46:22] And cause it's been so many years since this one and she's so shocked to hear from him.

[00:46:26] Yeah.

[00:46:26] Uh, yeah.

[00:46:27] Although what's interesting, I mean, Kira D'Elia, you know, he's in this movie and

[00:46:29] he does actually like from that moment, make an appearance.

[00:46:32] Yeah.

[00:46:32] Yeah.

[00:46:33] Later on.

[00:46:33] Yeah.

[00:46:34] Uh, and he does look like he has not visibly aged all that much.

[00:46:37] Really impressive between 68 and 84.

[00:46:40] Yeah.

[00:46:40] So that's, that actually really helps sell it is that he like seems preserved in like

[00:46:44] that, the way he looked.

[00:46:46] Um, but you do, you do also see him in other forms.

[00:46:49] You see the old man version that like you see pop up at the end of 2001 and all that stuff.

[00:46:53] And that sequence where he contacts Roy Scheider and like kind of leads him into the other

[00:46:57] room.

[00:46:57] And like every time it cuts back to Dave, it's a different version of him that you're seeing.

[00:47:00] Yeah.

[00:47:03] It's the case.

[00:47:03] The movie gets, I think in terms of like the most, like what's happening sort of thing,

[00:47:07] you know?

[00:47:08] Yeah.

[00:47:08] Yeah.

[00:47:08] I don't remember.

[00:47:09] Is it how it's after they've reawoken Hal, right?

[00:47:12] I think he's on the discovery.

[00:47:13] I think so.

[00:47:14] Yeah.

[00:47:15] And, uh, Hal tells him that he's got a, he's been receiving this message without it was

[00:47:20] without an origin or something like that or no, it's untraceable or whatever.

[00:47:25] I forgot what he says.

[00:47:26] Right.

[00:47:26] Um, yeah.

[00:47:27] And then he tells him like go into the other room basically.

[00:47:29] And he turns around and it's Dave.

[00:47:32] Um, and, and yeah, that's when he's in the orange or red, I forget red space.

[00:47:35] Again, you're like, Oh shit.

[00:47:37] And I did think that was really cool.

[00:47:39] Really intense.

[00:47:40] The whole, every time it cuts back to him, it's the, it's the different versions of him

[00:47:43] that he's, we see in the end of 2001, including the giant baby or the floating baby.

[00:47:47] Right?

[00:47:48] Yeah.

[00:47:48] Yeah.

[00:47:48] Yeah.

[00:47:48] Yeah.

[00:47:48] Do you see the floating baby very briefly, which was very cool.

[00:47:50] Uh, by the way, Kier D'Elia still working.

[00:47:52] He's alive, still working.

[00:47:54] He popped up in an episode of halo two years ago.

[00:47:56] Hell yeah.

[00:47:57] Uh, which is kind of cool to see.

[00:47:59] Yeah.

[00:47:59] No, I, I, he's one of those actors who like, he's so associated with a Dave Bowman in 2001.

[00:48:04] Like I don't really think of him at like, I, I see him and I'm like, I don't think I've

[00:48:07] ever seen this guy in anything else.

[00:48:08] Yeah.

[00:48:08] Same.

[00:48:08] Honestly.

[00:48:09] But, uh, but in fact, I mean, he's in black Christmas, he's in a black Christmas in 74.

[00:48:14] Wow.

[00:48:14] Uh, and yeah, he's in, you know, a bunch of other movies and stuff.

[00:48:17] Uh, nothing that that's like super big.

[00:48:20] I mean, he's probably been in some notable movies that I'm just kind of like skimming

[00:48:23] through or whatever.

[00:48:24] Um, but he's consistently been working since then and has, yeah, a 2022 is his last credit,

[00:48:30] I guess, but he's still alive, still doing stuff.

[00:48:32] So hell yeah.

[00:48:33] And I, yeah, I think it's it, that whole thing is cool that he's comes back as David and then

[00:48:37] a couple of times or you hear his voice more.

[00:48:39] I don't remember if he comes back like as a, an appearance after the sequence when he

[00:48:43] appears to Scheider's character.

[00:48:45] I don't remember.

[00:48:46] I think he does pop up once or twice.

[00:48:48] Um, maybe not like appearing to Scheider, but I think, I think you do see him again.

[00:48:53] I mean, he definitely has like a moment with Hal, right?

[00:48:55] Yeah.

[00:48:55] Well, he talks to Hal.

[00:48:56] I get the end after Hal's doing, after Hal does the like fuel bird or whatever.

[00:49:00] Yes.

[00:49:01] He, he, he, he saves the day after Hal becomes part of the fam, the family.

[00:49:05] Yeah.

[00:49:06] Yeah.

[00:49:07] The thousands opening up a Corona at the barbecue.

[00:49:09] Exactly.

[00:49:10] Exactly.

[00:49:11] And yeah, he, he, he like talks Hal through his death basically or whatever, you know,

[00:49:17] whatever happens to Jupiter becoming a sun, uh, and destroying the discovery.

[00:49:22] Uh, Dave is there to comfort his best friend, Hal.

[00:49:25] I don't like how tried to kill him or tried to kill him.

[00:49:30] It's water under the bridge, man.

[00:49:32] It's like, uh, you know, Han and, uh, Shaw, right?

[00:49:36] It's right.

[00:49:37] Exactly.

[00:49:37] Yeah.

[00:49:37] Yeah.

[00:49:39] Yeah.

[00:49:40] He, uh, it's okay that you didn't open the pod bay doors.

[00:49:42] It's fine.

[00:49:43] We're besties now.

[00:49:44] Yes.

[00:49:45] One thing people know about this, this movie is that you killed me.

[00:49:49] Right.

[00:49:49] I wanted to talk about the opening sequence too, because the movie, the movie starts with

[00:49:53] like a highlight reel of 2001.

[00:49:55] Cause it's like, yeah.

[00:49:57] And it's revealed that it's, it's like the report filed by, uh, Shider's character, but

[00:50:02] it, it starts with just like text on screen over still images from 2001.

[00:50:06] Well, the, you know, like monolith discovered out on the surface of the moon.

[00:50:10] It's just like a timeline of the events of the first movie, um, for like five minutes.

[00:50:15] It's like a pretty lengthy thing in it.

[00:50:16] And that was part of the like legacy equal thing of it to me, or like the time, the time

[00:50:20] different gap between the two movies.

[00:50:22] I was like, is this movie soon enough that they thought it wasn't like an indelible classic

[00:50:28] and everybody would know all of this movie?

[00:50:30] Uh, or was it just long enough that like they thought people would forget?

[00:50:35] Like, I don't, I couldn't tell, I couldn't understand, but now I'm thinking about like

[00:50:37] 16 years, you know?

[00:50:39] Sure.

[00:50:39] Yeah.

[00:50:39] I think it's just meant to kind of recap you, catch you up on what happened in 2001.

[00:50:43] Yeah.

[00:50:43] But I thought, I don't know.

[00:50:44] I thought it was kind of cool.

[00:50:44] I got to kind of, I think like, I think the, my God, it's full of stars thing is like

[00:50:50] introduced there.

[00:50:51] I don't really remember that being in the other movie, but yeah, I mean that, that is like

[00:50:54] the, that's the line towards the end of that.

[00:50:55] That is okay.

[00:50:56] Yeah.

[00:50:56] Cool.

[00:50:56] But anyway, yeah, that's where you hear that for the first time and it's like really creepy

[00:50:59] and distorted and like gross.

[00:51:01] Uh, then it slowly gets cleaner and cleaner before it's revealed to be like the final

[00:51:05] transmission from Dave, uh, Dave Bowen and stuff.

[00:51:08] So yeah, I don't know.

[00:51:08] I thought that, I thought that was interesting that not, not many movies.

[00:51:12] We often, not many movies take the time these days that are sequels to like, be like

[00:51:17] from previously on kind of thing.

[00:51:19] Yeah.

[00:51:20] I will say, I mean, 2001, uh, you know, you think of it as like this, you know, big artistic

[00:51:23] achievement and all that kind of stuff.

[00:51:25] And like did audiences like this.

[00:51:26] All right.

[00:51:27] True.

[00:51:27] Second highest grossing movie of 1968, 2001, space odyssey.

[00:51:31] Number two.

[00:51:31] How did Kramer versus Kramer beat it?

[00:51:35] Just it wedged its way in there 10 years early.

[00:51:38] Exactly.

[00:51:39] Uh, no, it was beaten out by funny girl.

[00:51:40] Funny girl was number one.

[00:51:41] 2001, space odyssey was number two, the odd couple number three.

[00:51:44] Um, but, uh, yeah, so 2001 was a huge movie.

[00:51:48] I'm, I'm looking at it.

[00:51:49] The, the budget was 10 million.

[00:51:50] They boxed up overall $146 million, uh, which I mean, I, I think that's like including like

[00:51:56] the years and years of rep screenings and stuff since, but, uh, still that's, that's

[00:52:00] huge for 2001.

[00:52:01] It was a, it was a major, major film.

[00:52:03] Uh, so even though, yeah, 16 years later, um, you know, do people remember this?

[00:52:07] I think people would remember it.

[00:52:08] Uh, and I think that's sort of why it like cast a shadow over 2010 and maybe underperformed

[00:52:13] it's been relatively compared to this.

[00:52:15] But, uh, yeah, I think it was still long enough where it's like, we got to like catch people

[00:52:19] up on what happened, you know, 60, 16 years is a long time.

[00:52:21] It's like, you know, when you go see, you know, any star Wars movie, uh, you get the

[00:52:25] opening crawl that tell it like kind of sets you up where you're at.

[00:52:27] Right.

[00:52:27] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:52:28] Yeah.

[00:52:29] Uh, all right.

[00:52:29] Any other scenes or anything you want to give a shout out to in a 2010 Mike for wrap this

[00:52:33] up?

[00:52:33] Um, I thought there was also a really interesting scene or exciting scene, but like, I don't

[00:52:38] know, I was gonna say exciting by the standards of the time, but like star Wars is already

[00:52:42] happening, you know, like, yeah, very exciting shit going on.

[00:52:45] Yeah.

[00:52:45] At this point, star Wars is done.

[00:52:47] Return of the Jedi was last year.

[00:52:48] Uh, so yeah, for, as far as the audience knows, there will never be any more star Wars

[00:52:52] movies.

[00:52:52] Yeah.

[00:52:53] Wow.

[00:52:53] It's crazy.

[00:52:54] Three movies.

[00:52:54] Um, but when they do the like arrow break thing where they're like gonna, they don't

[00:52:58] have enough fuel to stop.

[00:52:59] So they're going to like skim the surface of Jupiter or the skim, the atmosphere to slow

[00:53:04] down so they could get to the discovery or whatever, or to, or whatever they're going to

[00:53:08] Europa or IO or wherever the fuck they are.

[00:53:09] Um, uh, and it's like this big, scary, exciting, nobody knows this only ever, uh, it's a theoretical

[00:53:16] thing.

[00:53:16] Nobody knows if you can actually do this.

[00:53:18] Uh, and it's this big, long extended sequence.

[00:53:20] Um, and it's really just shaky cam.

[00:53:24] Like there's like for, you know, a couple of minutes, it's just the set shaking.

[00:53:28] Oh, right.

[00:53:28] And it's this big, crazy thing they're doing, uh, which is pretty funny, but it is cool.

[00:53:33] Nice.

[00:53:33] I, I did, I did have one other, uh, fact I wanted to bring it up to other things.

[00:53:36] Really?

[00:53:37] Uh, one is that the score for this movie, uh, which is composed by David Shire, not the original

[00:53:42] score.

[00:53:43] Uh, actually, I mean, so it is the, it is the score that ultimately ended up with in the

[00:53:46] movie, but the original person hired to do the soundtrack for 2010, uh, was Tony banks.

[00:53:50] The keyboard is for Genesis.

[00:53:52] Whoa.

[00:53:53] Uh, and his material was rejected and they, uh, that would have been pretty wild.

[00:53:59] I can, I can imagine a very like eighties kind of new wavy school, but a very synthy score

[00:54:04] or something with that.

[00:54:05] Right.

[00:54:06] Uh, so there was that, uh, also, uh, it was a very sci-fi heavy, uh, couple of weeks in

[00:54:11] the box office because 2010 came out, uh, this weekend, December, uh, the following week,

[00:54:16] John Carpenter star man and David Lynch's dune, uh, both opened up.

[00:54:21] Uh, and this movie outgrossed both of them.

[00:54:23] It did like face competition, but it did outgross both of them.

[00:54:26] Um, I mean, they were both kind of bombs famously a bomb.

[00:54:30] I don't know about star man.

[00:54:32] Yeah.

[00:54:32] So this one fared much better.

[00:54:33] Um, but you know, I, I think star man and dune have gained a cult over the years that

[00:54:40] I don't think 2010 really has.

[00:54:41] Yes, definitely.

[00:54:42] I think dune is fully reclaimed, uh, at this point.

[00:54:45] Yeah.

[00:54:46] And now we have the new versions of dune, the billion new versions.

[00:54:49] Uh, and so that, that has kind of brought more interest into the David Lynch dune, uh,

[00:54:53] which I think is like generally considered the worst David Lynch film.

[00:54:56] But because it's David Lynch film, it's like, you gotta watch dune.

[00:54:59] Right.

[00:55:00] Exactly.

[00:55:01] Uh, and I've actually been really like, I have now read dune post the villain of movies.

[00:55:05] Uh, and I've been kind of curious to revisit the David Lynch dune.

[00:55:08] I haven't gotten around to rewatching yet.

[00:55:10] I saw it a few years ago and was like, this is not my thing.

[00:55:13] Yeah.

[00:55:14] Yeah.

[00:55:14] And, and I know, and I know, is it arrow somebody just this year or the end of

[00:55:17] last year, like a huge, like a huge David Lynch dune, blue, right?

[00:55:22] Yeah.

[00:55:22] Box set thing.

[00:55:23] Yeah.

[00:55:24] So yeah.

[00:55:24] A box set of one movie, but with a lot of special features.

[00:55:27] Yeah.

[00:55:28] So spend the 200 bucks on that or what I don't know.

[00:55:30] Right.

[00:55:30] 200 bucks.

[00:55:32] I think it might be close.

[00:55:33] Yeah.

[00:55:34] Uh, do that.

[00:55:35] I think now that you're a big dune guy.

[00:55:37] Yeah.

[00:55:37] I'm, I'm, I'm becoming a big dune guy.

[00:55:39] I'm, I'm midway through reading dune Messiah right now.

[00:55:42] Okay.

[00:55:42] Uh, so after this four more books, gotta get through it.

[00:55:47] Then you got to get into the 2001 space odyssey franchise, whatever.

[00:55:51] I am really curious about the 2001 books.

[00:55:54] I've never read them.

[00:55:55] Uh, I'm assuming you haven't either.

[00:55:56] No, yeah, me neither.

[00:55:57] Yeah.

[00:55:58] Uh, and so, yeah, I'm here.

[00:55:59] There's four of them.

[00:55:59] I'm really curious about specifically what happens after 2010 or like what happens in

[00:56:04] books three and four, like how far does it go?

[00:56:06] I think the last book is called 3,001.

[00:56:08] Whoa.

[00:56:09] So it really jumps ahead, like very far into the future.

[00:56:12] I mean, you catch kind of what you get.

[00:56:13] This movie ends, like we said with Europa as a jungle, right?

[00:56:18] Uh, like new life in the solar system and Jupiter becoming a second son.

[00:56:23] Um, I gotta know what happens a thousand years from now.

[00:56:26] Like what's going to change.

[00:56:28] That is very true.

[00:56:29] That's very true.

[00:56:29] All right.

[00:56:30] Should we do some letterboxd reviews, Mike?

[00:56:31] See what the people have to say.

[00:56:32] Tell me, tell me what they say.

[00:56:33] All right.

[00:56:33] Well, first off, I got a three star review from Matt Singer, who you mentioned before.

[00:56:37] I'm reading Michael Benson's book on the making of 2001 and recently visited the museum of

[00:56:41] the moving image exhibit about the film.

[00:56:43] So I had to finally watch this sequel.

[00:56:46] It's such a strange effort in that it feels almost nothing like Kubrick's work, even though

[00:56:50] it takes place in recreations of several of his sets and features several members of

[00:56:54] his cast, along with the lead character from his film played by a new actor.

[00:56:58] Visually 2010 is dim corridors and sweaty workmanlike astronauts look a lot closer to alien than

[00:57:02] 2001.

[00:57:03] Like you said, Mike, we cited the right person.

[00:57:05] Yes.

[00:57:06] And there are probably more lines of dialogue in this movie's first 15 minutes than in

[00:57:10] the entirety of the original.

[00:57:12] Just about everything Kubrick left deliberately unexplained or unspoken is explained and spoken.

[00:57:18] Sometimes literally, in the case of Dave Bowman's famous, my God, it's full of stars line

[00:57:22] from Arthur Clarke's 2001 novel, which finally appears as the first words in Peter Hyam's

[00:57:27] sequel.

[00:57:27] Oh, so I guess it wasn't in 2001.

[00:57:29] Maybe that's what I was thinking of.

[00:57:30] Yeah.

[00:57:31] That's what he mentioned that.

[00:57:31] Yeah.

[00:57:32] There it is.

[00:57:33] And while Kubrick's ambitions took 2001 from the earliest dawn of man to a place beyond

[00:57:37] the infinite, 2010 is largely a humble rescue mission to Jupiter with little of the visual

[00:57:41] splendor or cosmic trippiness that distinguishes Kubrick's masterpiece.

[00:57:44] That's not to say it's without its pleasures.

[00:57:46] The solid new cast includes Roy Scheider, Helen Mirren, Bob Balaban and John Lithgow.

[00:57:51] And Douglas Rain once again makes Hal 9000 so terrifying and pitiable all at once.

[00:57:55] The effects aren't as impressive or oddly as futuristic as Kubrick's, but they're solid.

[00:58:00] Also, Scheider's character appears to have dolphins as pets who live in his house.

[00:58:05] That is appealing to me.

[00:58:07] 2010 is not a movie I expect to return too often, but I'm not upset I watched it.

[00:58:11] Yeah, I think that was how I felt also when I read that review after I finished watching

[00:58:16] it.

[00:58:16] I was like, I'm not sure I'm going to rewatch this ever or much.

[00:58:19] Well, I don't hate that I watched it.

[00:58:22] Yeah, that's that's doable.

[00:58:23] I liked it, I guess, even more this time around.

[00:58:26] And I think it's worth worth watching, especially if you've only seen 2001.

[00:58:30] I think it's it's cool to see where the story goes from here.

[00:58:33] Yeah, here's here's a three and a half star review from Andrew C.

[00:58:37] On one hand, I can see why many would dismiss 2010 the year we make contact outright given

[00:58:41] a status as a sequel to a film that is so widely considered one of the greatest ever made.

[00:58:46] And because it is such a different film completely.

[00:58:48] However, it's also not even trying to capture the same singular nature of Kubrick's 2001

[00:58:52] as in the workmanlike hands of Peter Hyams, 2010 is instead a straight science fiction film

[00:58:56] done in a conventional manner, but one that also has the same sense of wonder to it.

[00:59:00] Those aspects are confined more towards the final act of the earlier parts are more of a sci fi

[00:59:04] adventure behind this directs it. Well, I find the story to be pretty engaging and the cast here is really solid.

[00:59:09] The sense of optimism and the ending also feels in line with a lot of what Kubrick did.

[00:59:13] And it's there that this feels like a true sequel to 2001,

[00:59:15] I'll buy one that is more of a spiritual follow up in that way.

[00:59:18] It's somewhat similar to psycho to in that 2010 is an 80s sequel to us allotted 60s classic

[00:59:25] which goes in a completely different direction yet is also intriguing and which works in its own ways.

[00:59:30] Have you seen psycho to Mike?

[00:59:31] I have not, but also another legacy cool interesting.

[00:59:34] Yes. Yeah, you know I let psycho to I have seen and I like it a lot. It's really good.

[00:59:39] Um, but that is it's a weird one. Norman Bates is the main character of psycho to

[00:59:43] and you're kind of following like a new adventure that he's on and it's it's a really good Hitchcock homage.

[00:59:49] Uh, and yeah, I think, uh, you know, you could do like a an early legacy cool series, uh, of like 2010 psycho to and color of money together.

[00:59:59] Uh, and I think you could have a lot of fun at a theater. If any theater wanted to program that would be pretty fun.

[01:00:03] Hey, I know a guy. Hey, I, hey, I work at a theater. Wait a minute.

[01:00:08] It's hurting to look in the mirror. Yes, we actually we actually tried to play color of money last year.

[01:00:13] Uh, and we couldn't cause Disney wouldn't let us bastards. Yeah, no, it was, uh, we were doing a series called Scorsades.

[01:00:20] Uh, and the plan was to play all of Scorsades films from the 1980s. He has five movies. We had five Wednesdays.

[01:00:26] It's like, all right, perfect. We're playing raging bull. We are playing a king of comedy.

[01:00:30] We are playing, uh, after hours. We're playing color of money or playing last temptation to Christ.

[01:00:34] Uh, and we got the other four and we couldn't get color of money and we were planning to show the hustler also like to kind of complete it.

[01:00:40] Uh, and yeah, I just, uh, it didn't work out. So we, uh, we played good fellows instead.

[01:00:45] Uh, because it's like, well, it was shot in 89. So.

[01:00:50] Oh man. Sometimes you gotta fudge, fudge it a little, you know?

[01:00:52] Yeah. And I, you know what? I went to good fellows. Great time at the movies.

[01:00:55] Uh, so there's that here's a review from, uh, Brandon Streisnik with, uh, no rating.

[01:01:01] There's a cut in this of Roy Scheider looking in his son before he leaves for a space mission to the ship floating in space.

[01:01:06] That's so abrupt that it knocked the wind out of me. Just a quietly devastating moment.

[01:01:10] High Ames is so great at that for all the things you could say about him being one of our greatest unsung craftsmen.

[01:01:15] It's the little inserts of our jobs and passions taking us away from those we love most.

[01:01:19] It's here. It's certainly an outland. There's even a bit in sudden death autobiographical, who knows?

[01:01:24] But it's eternally sweet that he's D P'd so much of his sons equally excellent work.

[01:01:29] Anyhow, impossible sequel. High Ames has balls of steel to take it on. Great fucking film.

[01:01:33] Which by the way, yeah, Peter High Ames is the father of John High Ames, uh, who was the director of the newer universal soldier movies like re uh, day of reckoning and regeneration and that kind of stuff.

[01:01:43] And it's done a lot of the DTV action work.

[01:01:45] Uh, but I know Peter High Ames did act as director of photography on one of those universal soldier films.

[01:01:49] That's cool. Yeah. So that's a neat little thing there.

[01:01:52] Uh, and then finally got one more review here. It's a four star review from Andy Levy found a huge continuity error when the movie was made 2010 was in the future.

[01:02:01] But now when I'm watching it, it's in the past surprise. Nobody caught, you know, sometimes you get to throw it in as a goof.

[01:02:11] Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, and yeah, that is the weird, uh, you know, 2001 space odyssey. I've never watched it before the year 2001, right?

[01:02:20] Like I was, I was eight years old when 2001, uh, happened the year. Uh, and so, uh, yeah, no, it's, it's a weird, like, oh, we're, it's a movie about the future, but we are constantly looking back on it now.

[01:02:30] Yeah. I mean, what's that, uh, is it running man, whatever that starts with like the dystopian future of 2015 or.

[01:02:36] Yep. Yeah. That's, uh, 2017. I think it was the running man, but yeah. And then like back to the future to like goes to 2015.

[01:02:42] Right. Uh, you know, all that stuff. So yeah, all the, all the movies from the eighties, they kind of set it around now and now we are passing that point.

[01:02:48] Well, then they were only off. It seems about for the impending doom of society by like 10 years. They were pretty close. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:02:55] Pretty good guess. Uh, all right. Any other thoughts about 2010 money before you start wrapping this up?

[01:02:59] Um, no, I think, I think even though I wasn't like super engaged or I wasn't blown away or anything, I think it is still pretty good. It's, it's, it's a solid movie, solid sci-fi movie that I think is better than maybe the cultural memory of it or would lead you to believe. Cause I thought this was going to be just like a hot mess just from the way nobody talks about this movie. Um, but it's pretty good.

[01:03:20] Yeah, absolutely. All right. Uh, any, uh, or sorry, where can we find you online this week, Mike?

[01:03:24] You can find me at MD film blog on Twitter and letterbox and blue sky. Hopefully more on blue sky. Got to get away from Twitter. Now they're getting rid of blocking people. Like what the fuck? What are they doing?

[01:03:35] Yeah. I mean, every time I'm like, ah man, I got to get it back on blue sky. And then suddenly, I don't know, I'm back on Twitter.

[01:03:40] Yeah. There's not really much going on over there. So it's hard. I've sort of adopted the attitude of, uh, you know, like, like the office space line where it's like, why should I leave? He's the guy who sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So you can find me there at MD film blog. And if you want to donate, support the show, you can do that on our Kofi page, which is Kofi.com slash Mike and Mike pods, where you can also donate $50 and pick a topic for a episode of Mike and Mike go to the movies, our bonus pod, pick a topic. We'll talk about it. We double dug to air you. Oh yeah.

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[01:04:40] Who you can reach for your own podcast themes at Kyle's podcast themes at gmail.com. And our logo was designed by Mac V or at fearless guard on Twitter. Next week, Roy Scheider provides the narration of Paul Schrader's 1985 film Mishima, a life in four chapters, uh, which neither of us have seen.

[01:04:56] Yes. You have never seen it. Uh, it's weirdly hard to find. We discovered. Yes. I think there is a, so we were looking into it and yeah, Roy Scheider provide the narration of the original theatrical cuts. Um, but I think there were DVD versions that replace it with the Japanese narrative. Yes. Yeah. And then also like a second English narrative or something. There's like, whatever. I don't remember. Right. And so the version that's on the criterion channel is not the Roy Scheider version. Is that right? The default version. If you just search Mishima life in four chapters, it's got a thing. It's the Japanese narration.

[01:05:26] Um, but if you search Mishima Roy Scheider, it is available. You just have to like specifically search for the Roy Scheider version. Okay. Playing along at home. It's on the criterion channel. You just got to look for the Roy Scheider cut or whatever. It's like special features. It's got a different name. Yeah. It's a different listing on criterion channel than just the regular Mishima listing. Okay. Good to know. So we will be talking about that version of Mishima life in four chapters. Uh, cause otherwise what are we doing here? You know, that's exactly.

[01:05:54] Paul Schrader, my favorite director air quotes. Yes. Yeah. No, you're, you're a big Paul Schrader guy, Mike, and you endorse everything he's ever said. Okay. Only the Taylor Swift stuff. No, I don't remember. I don't even remember what he said about Taylor Swift. Just, I think the Taylor Swift stuff that he said, he was like, yeah, Joe, I, I think he was just really pro Joe Alwyn. Um, I think you're right. I think that was the thing. Cause I remember he had like a post, uh, and you know, you start the phrase, Paul Schrader had a post and you're like, Oh no, no. But I think he like had dinner with Joe Alwyn.

[01:06:24] Joe Alwyn one night or something. And he was like, uh, you know, a lot of people are saying like, Oh, does Taylor Swift, like, you know, can she do better than Joe Alwyn or whatever? And it's like, or like, Oh, Joe Alwyn can't do better than Taylor Swift. It's like, no, Taylor Swift can't do better than Joe. He's the guy. And I'm sure Joe Alwyn's fine. He was pretty good in, uh, kinds of kindness. Uh, so there was that, but yeah, that that's maybe there were more Taylor Swift. That was like one thing that I remember. Yeah. I think, I think the thing is people need to stop asking people over

[01:06:54] 85, like what they think, you know, just like stop any questions. Just cut it out.

[01:07:00] Uh, yes. Uh, by the way, Paul Schrader has a new movie coming out this year. Uh, Oh Canada. And it's supposed to be great. Uh, I'm hearing very good things about this one, uh, which I'm excited about. Cause I really hated his last one.

[01:07:09] Uh, the gardener or whatever the fuck master gardener. Yes. Uh, with Joel Edgerton. Uh, that was a boring movie. I thought, uh, but I, yeah, overall I, I like more of his movies than I dislike. I mean, first reformed incredible. Great. I'm talking about the recent Paul Schraders here, but yeah, first reformed. Great card counter. Pretty good. Uh, and then there was master gardener. I feel like there was like one other one in there that I'm missing, but Oh Canada. I'm excited. But Mishima is what we're talking about. First Mishima life. First Mishima. Yes, exactly. Uh, and you're going to check it out.

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