Ep. 18 - Still of the Night (1982)

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_06]: It's showtime, folks!

[00:00:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Some bad-hat areas.

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_06]: What was the way to the car when you got it, uh...

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_06]: You're not right for me, bro.

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_06]: You just don't care.

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Then why?!

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Those sons of bitches.

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know.

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know.

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And welcome to Episode 18 of The Complete Works Season 4, a deep dive into the career and films of actor Roy Scheider.

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_00]: My name is Mike Smith, and join me on this journey across the Scheiderverse is my friend, co-host and fellow Roy Boy.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Mike Trecia.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Jenna DeMike.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing just great and say wonderful day here at The Scheiderverse.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: We're a bunch of inshiders and Roy between the line?

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember the email in it.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: We're taking rides in the Scheider side.

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_00]: We're riding between the lines.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_00]: We're coming back in here and chum some of this shit.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: What's her saying at all?

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We got them all.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We're excited is what I'm saying.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm pretty excited to be exploring kind of a new era in the Scheider filmography.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about this a lot in the All That Jazz episode last week, but All That Jazz really feels like kind of the end of like one era of Scheider's career, right?

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_00]: The 70s run, which is just insane.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So many great films in there.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And then when you get to the 80s, it's going to be a more eclectic mix, I think.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I sort of realized it when we were posting the marathon man tweet.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh yeah, we're in my dad's favorite movies era basically.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And here we are entering a new phase.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited to dig into these.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be a lot more discoveries, I think for us in this decade of the podcast.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So looking forward to it.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But today we are going to have to refer back to another movie that even though Roy Scheider isn't in it and we're not doing a full episode on it, Aaron, like that has weirdly cast a show.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Shadow over the podcast over the last couple of episodes.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And that movie is Robert Benton's 1979 best picture winner slash highest grossing film of that year, Kramer versus Kramer.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Just when I thought I was done with the Kramer's they pulled me back in.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: They pulled me back in.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And to recap, you've never seen Kramer versus Kramer.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, basically though, I think I've seen it sometime in the past and maybe in like on AMC or something like that with commercials.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think I've ever seen the actual full movie.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I watched it when I was in college and it's very good.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a really terrific, you know, solid drama.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about all that jazz last week as a movie that feels like a closing out of the 70s era of filmmaking in some ways.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_00]: As I said already before I realized that I said wrote that down in this.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And while Kramer versus Kramer is perhaps a more conventional choice to sweep the Oscars,

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_00]: the fact that a mid-budget drama about a couple's divorce and the subsequent custody battle became the biggest financial hit of the year

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: is something that would basically never happen today.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: A movie wouldn't even get made or it'd be dumped on a streamer and nobody would talk about it.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be something somebody had a podcast and you'd be like, you guys really should check this out.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And then that person would also forget about it in like two weeks.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it is similar to a marriage story which came out in 2019.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of the modern day Kramer versus Kramer.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It is also a movie about a couple divorcing that also was on a streamer.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I did see it in a theater, but it was one of those like very limited Netflix releases that day that happened.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But that is one of the few Netflix movies that I think did have a cultural life beyond just premiering on Netflix and then being forgotten about.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I guess.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's only a meme.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: There was that one meme.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It went to the Oscars like it had a bunch of Oscar nominations and it was a movie that I think people actually did watch.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what's funny?

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: There is a movie that I was thinking about the other day and I was like, wow, I can't believe we've all just moved on and forgotten about it.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's so forgettable.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I forget what movie I thought that thought about.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the problem with streaming movies.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was a streaming movie.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It was an Amazon movie that I remember was like, wow, that had like a impact for a second.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's gone and I don't remember what it is at all.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Was it the tomorrow war?

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I think earlier this year it's definitely not the tomorrow war.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Brown vehicle.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was the first Amazon movie that I could think.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'll think about it and see if I can remember it before the end of the episode.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But I literally had that thought.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, huh, we really all just moved on from that.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was two days ago and I can't remember it now.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Also tomorrow war hive rise up.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty good.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I liked that movie.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You and producer Colin.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you thinking of a roadhouse?

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: The remake of roadhouse?

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it might have been roadhouse.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That was an Amazon original.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is a movie that I actually watched the original roadhouse for the first time to prepare for the new roadhouse

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and then never watch the new roadhouse.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's probably for the best, I think.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, according to what I've heard about it, yeah, it's supposed to be pretty bad.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, just for context, like I said, Kramer vs. Kramer, 1979 highest gross movie of the year.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The highest gross movie of this year is currently inside out two.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And just the fact that this year's movie is not a superhero movie makes it feel like a huge victory of some kind.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we, the tides have turned.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: We're out all my homies hate superhero movies and we all like sequels.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how to make of it.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It does seem like, you know, it's a weird kind of balance.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But legacy sequels have been around for like 10 years where it's like you take a long dormant franchise and kind of create a new movie that is sort of reverent of the old one,

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's starting to play something new, you know, force awakens and all that stuff.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they've been around for longer than 10 years, but force awakens really like set the template for what a legacy sequel is.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And you see so many movies being compared to force awakens alien Romulus got a lot of force awakens comparisons, right?

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Which just came out this past weekend.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it a color of money like the first like, I think typically color of money might be the first legacy sequel.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, something like that.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Something along those lines, but you know, it does seem like in the larger blockbuster landscape, like it's less about being like a force awakens type thing,

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: but more just like, hey, let's take a some kind of brand or franchise or whatever that hasn't been sequalized to death and come out with a new one

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and bring back at least some of the creative team or whatever.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But like Topka Maverick, huge obviously Barbie, huge, which you know, there's no original Barbie movie, but it's obviously a very well known thing.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have Beetlejuice 2 in September and I don't think the world is prepared for how big that movie is going to be.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Beetlejuice 2 is going to be a pretty big hit.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You think so?

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice is going to be sizable.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm making that call right now and by the time this episode is out, we'll know it.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: We will know for sure.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: How crazy you are.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It just feels like, I think the original Beetlejuice is just such a like a staple of so many people's lives.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's always on cable to this day.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I was surfing through cable.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: If I leave cable on for my cat a lot and I would say like three out of seven days a week, if I turn on the TV,

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Beetlejuice is probably playing somewhere.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's yeah, that feels true.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been in enough doctor's office waiting rooms to believe that.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, I think is going to be pretty big.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that in the Michael Keaton season when we get to it.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Could have been this season.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But the point is, Kramer vs. Kramer was the Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice of its day

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and it gave director Robert Benton the clout he needed to finally make a movie

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: that he had been developing for some time.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: He had tried to make it in the 70s and its original form was actually much more of a comedy.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Roy Scheider signed on back then, kind of in an attempt to show off a lighter side of himself

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: after his roles in films like French connection and the Seven Ups.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And he was meant to star opposite Lily Tomlin.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Lily Tomlin is going to be the main lead of this movie when it was a comedy.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You make sense though, when you say it like that.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, yes, absolutely.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But that project never really materialized and it kind of started to morph into something more serious.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: A sort of pastiche film noir of the 40s and 50s.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of critics compared it to Alfred Hitchcock and while there are a lot of Hitchcock parallels

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Robert Benton insists that he was more drawing from the genre and not just Hitchcock's films

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_00]: including films from directors like Jacques Tournier and Fritz Lang.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: He would name those guys.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: But he just couldn't get the movie off the ground

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and he turned his attention to Kramer vs. Kramer instead

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and fun fact, he actually originally wanted Roy Scheider to be the lead in Kramer vs. Kramer.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Whoa.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we've talked about this movie so much over the last few weeks.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe I didn't know this fact until now.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, no, he wanted Roy Scheider for Kramer vs. Kramer.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And instead of course went to Dustin Hoffman who won Best Actor at the Oscars.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So it worked out for Kramer vs. Kramer.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Good for them, I guess.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it won Best Actor beating out Roy Scheider for all that jazz.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Which having not really seen Kramer vs. Kramer still feels crazy.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Still seems wrong, right?

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So once the movie was an unqualified success,

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: he brought back Meryl Streep who was in Kramer vs. Kramer

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to fill in the role once occupied by Lily Tomlin.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Roy Scheider was still signed on and the result was a movie

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: that Meryl Streep has since called one of the worst movies she's ever been in.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And since Roy Scheider is in it, we've got to talk about Still of the Night.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, Sam, what's happening?

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I lost a patient.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: What happened?

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_06]: A guy named George Bynum who's all over the daily news.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Stand to death.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I was wondering if I could talk to you for a moment.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_03]: My name is Brooke Reynolds. I was a friend of George Bynum.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_06]: What exactly was it that you were treating the deceased for?

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry, that's confidential information.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Why isn't it just so afraid of?

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I was with him the night he was killed.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_06]: You're not responsible for what happened to George Bynum

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_06]: just because your clan is dead.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Somewhere between passion and fear.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Reason and revenge.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_06]: If I thought you knew something about George Bynum's death,

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I got it killed and I get the same idea.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Love and terror.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Actually, I'm the only one who knows about it.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Except for you.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Some things happening in the life of a woman.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I should be very, very careful of him that he would do anything for the money.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_06]: In the heart of a man.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_06]: What I'm doing now may be irrational.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it is foolish, but I gotta do it.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_06]: In the mind of a killer.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_06]: We're pretty sure Bynum was killed by a woman.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And they think she'll try it again.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_06]: In the still of the night.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I know the police think you killed George Bynum.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think I killed him?

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_03]: We're probably dealing with a woman who on the surface seems childlike and innocent,

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_03]: but underneath is capable of extreme violence.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Bynum had a dream. This house was in the dream and so was the person who killed him.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_05]: All I kept thinking was, I'm so glad he's out of my life.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Listen to me.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what he is trying to do. He's trying to kill me.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_06]: No!

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_06]: The word for you, George Bynum would still be alive.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Roy Scheider, Merrill Street.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Still of the night.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so Still of the Night stars Roy Scheider as Dr. Sam Rice,

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_00]: a psychiatrist who begins to investigate the death of one of his patients

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: while simultaneously falling in love with the patient's mistress,

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: who may be responsible for the murder.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: That woman is Brooke Reynolds, played by Merrill Streep.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_00]: The patient, George Bynum, is played by Joseph Summer,

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: who was also in movies like Witness and Strange Days.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: From there, Joe Grafasi, a character actor who popped up in films like

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Moonstruck and the Hudsucker Proxy.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_00]: He plays Detective Joseph Fatouji, the cop investigating the case.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Sarah Botsford best known for the Canadian drama series ENG

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: plays Gail Phillips, Bynum's assistant, and Jessica Tandy,

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: who was also in Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds,

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and who would later win an Oscar for driving Miss Daisy,

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: plays Roy Scheider's mom, Dr. Grace Rice, also a psychiatrist.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And actually having the best scenes in the movie

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_00]: are when it's just the two of them psychoanalyzing the whole thing.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fun.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fun little, like, you know, the way that like,

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: M. Night Shyamalan just cast Hailey Bills in Trap

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's a movie about trapping a parent.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, get the Hitchcock lady.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a little Hitchcock nod, which is neat.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: The movie was written by Robert Benton and David Newman.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Newman was a freaking collaborator of Robin Benton's,

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: also co-wrote the first three Superman movies.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was directed by Robert Benton

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_00]: three years after Kramer vs. Kramer

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and two years before his next film, 1984's Places in the Heart,

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: which would be another big Oscar contender

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: with seven nominations including Best Picture

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and a win for Best Actress for Sally Fields in that movie.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Still of the night, opened in a few theaters on November 19th, 1982,

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: before going wide a month later. And guess what, Mike?

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: What?

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to just run down the top 10 of the year anymore

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: because we've reached a point where we've got it

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_00]: for every weekend now.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go, baby.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It's finally happened. We've reached that time.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So number one at the box office was

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: the 1982 re-release of The Empire Strikes Back.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_00]: That's not fair.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: How could they be that?

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: The shadow that Star Wars casts continues

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: to hang over this podcast.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Empire Strikes Back and its technically first week

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: of its re-release this weekend.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Star Wars stays winning.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Also opening that weekend were the animated cult classic

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_00]: The Last Unicorn, which opened to number six.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Heidi's Song, another animated movie,

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: which opened at number seven.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And Bugs Bunny's third movie, 1001 Rabbit Tales,

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: which is mostly a compilation of older Looney Tunes shorts.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen this.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like a bunch of stuff from the 30s and 40s

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: with kind of a loose wraparound story

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: that is happening.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That opened at number 13 at the box office.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: The kids didn't care about Bugs Bunny.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: 13's not shabby for a cobble together thing.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_00]: This movie was really hastily put together, I think.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the top 10 consisted of First Blood, Creepshow,

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: E.T., and it's 24th week of the box office.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: That was the number one movie of the year.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: An officer and a gentleman, they call me Bruce,

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: my favorite year and the missionary.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I believe E.T. actually also, not only the number one movie of the year,

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it became the highest gross movie of all time.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds right.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It was Jaws and then it was Star Wars

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and then I think E.T. broke Star Wars' record.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm remembering those pictures of them that they would send to each other.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I would send them to each other.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then Titanic and all that stuff.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess Titanic,

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Return of the Jedi might have dethroned E.T.?

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, yeah.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously Titanic was such a huge...

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_00]: We're in the billions now.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now we're in...

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Not even just billions.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_00]: We were almost two billion with Titanic.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It was packed.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it was like six years until another movie

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_00]: grossed a billion dollars, which was Return of the King,

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Lord of the Rings, Return of the King.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And then suddenly it happened once a year.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Movies just started grossing a billion dollars left and right

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and this started happening.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't imagine why it looks at my $24 movie ticket.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what could be the reason?

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: That could certainly be part of it.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But the IMDB plot synopsis for Still of the Night reads,

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Manhattan psychiatrist probes a patient's murder

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and follows for the victim's mysterious mistress.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So Mike D, going into this movie,

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I am a fan of Kramer vs. Kramer.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I was curious to see Robert Benton's follow up to that.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe I was just on the high of discovering Last Embrace,

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: which is very much a Hitchcock influenced thriller

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_00]: directed by Jonathan Demi, which we both really liked.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But I had read that this was also a Hitchcock influenced thriller.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, hey great, another Hitchcock pastiche,

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Roy Shiders in it, let's go.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of Still of the Night?

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So Still of the Night, I think is one of those movies

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: that somehow is less than the sum of its parts.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those kind of situations.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a lot of great individual things going for it

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: that just somehow does not come together into a great

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: or exciting movie.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like bad necessarily.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just missing.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You hear a Hitchcock-esque thriller,

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: even if it's just like Hitchcock ripoff,

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: you're like, oh baby, let's go.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Last Embrace has that juice.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But Still of the Night somehow just does not.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's only an hour and a half, I think,

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: or like hour 40 or something like that.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And it just feels so goddamn long.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe I also did it at disservice,

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: watching it after the movies we're talking about

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: for the upcoming, as of the recording episode

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: of Mike and Mike Go to the Movies,

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: where we do the Mike makes Mike watch

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: for Stargate and Adventures of Tin Tin,

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: which for all their stuff got some pep in their steps.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: At least Tin Tin does.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I would finish those movies

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and I was like, oh yeah, the Shider movie.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I put it on and it's just like going through molasses, man.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It just, it felt so long by comparison,

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: which is unfortunate because I think in the moments

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: where it's got like the Hitchcock stuff

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and it becomes a slash, like a straight up slasher

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: in the last 45 seconds.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, where's this been the whole time?

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: There's moments of tension and excitement

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and stuff like that, but there's a long stretches

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: of we're at an auction or we're, I don't know,

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, we're listening to tapes

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: of a psychiatrist session,

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but we're not seeing the session.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: We're just watching right Shader listen to tapes.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, come on, do a little something.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there's just moments like that

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: where it's just like, feels like we're really dragging

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and especially after coming off Tin Tin,

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: move a camera, do something.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Like come on.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's just, it's just not that exciting,

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: which I want in a thing that's labeled

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Hitchcock thriller ripoff.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think the thing about

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Alfred Hitchcock films that there is a lot of substance

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: to them, but they are very, very stylish.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: There was usually like, you know, a lot of really interesting

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: camera work that's happening or whatever

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: that individual movie has.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: There's always something going on in Alfred Hitchcock movie.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, in the 80s,

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: there were a lot of these Hitchcock pastiches

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and the ones that are the most successful

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: are the ones that are also stylish,

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes in a way that's aping Hitchcock

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and sometimes in their own way.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think this one really pales in comparison

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_00]: to the Brian De Palin movies that are coming out

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: at this time, which you know, this is 82.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a year after blowout.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It's two years after Dress to Kill.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is this movie.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: This is basically like this.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very similar premise to Dress to Kill.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have the transphobic stuff at the end,

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's got the rest, you know?

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And Dress to Kill is just such a much more stylish,

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_00]: like interesting movie to watch.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's so much stuff going on

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: like in every frame of that movie.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And you watch this and it's like,

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: hey, this is basically the same plot.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And you're just not nearly as engaged

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: as when you're watching Dress to Kill, you know?

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I just kept thinking about Dress to Kill

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and in particular that one scene,

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: which is maybe the sexiest scene that's ever been put to film

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: in the museum where they're just following each other

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and like the first act.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like lightning compared to this movie.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just two people walking around that aren't museum.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's got the juice, you know?

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's got the juice.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, like I said,

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: there are so many other Hitchcock omage

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_00]: that are happening around this time.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And this just feels, you know, very like,

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, undercooked, I guess.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's not much going on here,

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: which is a little bit of a bummer.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like it's poorly directed or anything.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And the performances in it, I think are good.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think Roy Shatter is good.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Meryl Streep is pretty good.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a little miscast is like a femme fatale

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: sort of character.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But she has like a great monologue towards the end,

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: which is like a whole like three minute unbroken

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_00]: take where she brings out all those Meryl Streep

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: acting tricks that is pretty fun to watch.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I expected more from this movie.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I watched it without knowing that Meryl Streep had called it

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: the worst movie she's ever been in.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That feels kind of extreme.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so when she said that it was like on a talk show.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I forget what it might be like a Graham Norton show

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: or something and she's like,

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: oh, what's like somebody asked her like,

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: what is like the movie you would say is like it bad

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: or you were bad in it.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And like she's paused for a second and she said,

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: still the night I think is probably the one.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, and this was like 2010, 2011-ish

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: like it was, and I think, I don't know.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Meryl Streep is somebody who I like Meryl Streep.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But I've never been like passionate about her as an actor.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe it's because...

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You hadn't seen The River Wild.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's true.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: She's amazing on The River Wild.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_00]: 10 out of 10, one of her best performances.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: She's so good in that movie.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good point.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I had just watched that for a few months ago

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_00]: for the first time and it's amazing.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Makes me so happy.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But like Meryl Streep is somebody who is in some movies

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: that I really love, like Dear Hunter, for example,

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Cranbers Cramer, like I said, there's movies

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: like Death Becomes Her and Postcards on the Edge

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and a lot of like very good movies.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, I think maybe because she has been

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_00]: synonymous with like a great actor my entire life,

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel less passionate about her as an actor in some way.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a weird case of like she is very good,

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: but at the same time it sort of feels like

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I never use the word overrated

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: because I'm always going to enjoy something.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's going to be things that I like about things,

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_00]: things that I don't, whatever.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But Meryl Streep is somebody who has been nominated

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_00]: for like 21 Oscar.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it became like a recurring joke at a certain point

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_00]: where I was like,

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_00]: did she really need the nomination for Into the Woods?

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that where we're at?

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that where we're at, you know?

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It does feel to me, not to totally cut you off

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_01]: because I don't know if you actually got to your point yet.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I lost that point a long time ago.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it does feel like a different Meryl Streep, right?

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: To me she's, you know, her current age

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and sort of this actor, you know, like you said,

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: type thing, but sort of see her as this like young,

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_01]: sexy femme fatale kind of character.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, well, this is totally out of my expectations

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and the preconceived notion of like what a Meryl Streep role is.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So for that part it's pretty fun,

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_01]: even if she doesn't think she's doing a great job,

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess in hindsight now,

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think she's pretty good in this movie.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I think she is, like I said,

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's good in it.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And it is a weird thing where like,

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_00]: if you look at her career now,

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: like the entire breadth of Meryl Streep's career,

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she's kind of pivoted towards

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: a little more TV stuff.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: She's not only murders in the building now

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's pretty good in that show.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But like her last like major movie role was Don't Look Up.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: She was the president in Don't Look Up.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's one of those things where like,

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she's like doing a ton of like really big

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: or challenging acting work anymore,

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: but when she shows up in something,

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_00]: it has like the extra degree of pedigree

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: where it's like, oh, now Meryl Streep's

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: part of the cast of this movie.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Now we got something here, you know,

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and like Big Little Lies like season two,

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: she was like brought in the cast of that show

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and it was like, oh my God,

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: they got Meryl Streep on like that kind of thing

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: or little women, she's like plays the ant in that movie.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Just like things like that where it's like,

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: she's utilized like very well in certain projects

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_00]: over the last couple of years as like an extra degree of like,

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_00]: this is a real movie because it has Streep's in it, you know?

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're making the third Mamma Mia.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, she's lived the dream.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. Well, who knows if she'll be in that.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: She was killed off in between Mamma Mia one and two.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Although she does appear in Mamma Mia two.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think that was a big factor

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_00]: for a lot of people going into Mamma Mia two

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_00]: who like haven't seen it and didn't want to

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_00]: is because they thought she wasn't going to be in it

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: because her character was killed off.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But she does like have a song from Beyond the Grave

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: at the end of the movie.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_00]: She's got a force ghost.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: She's got a force ghost

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and Lily James is in the movie as young Meryl Streep.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Also Mamma Mia two way better than Mamma Mia one.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so, so good.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a big Mamma Mia two fan.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. Heard it here first.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. I mean maybe not here first.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Clay Kailor on screen drafts

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_00]: is also a big Mamma Mia, here we go again guys.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Actually I've been trying to, so this past summer

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: at my house, you know, we have a projector

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and like we did a thing, an outdoor movie for my birthday

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: which was top secret.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And we've been planning on doing at least one more

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_00]: before the summer ends.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Like gathers and friends, watch a movie outdoors

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: all that kind of stuff.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But this time my girlfriend would choose

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and her movie is probably going to be Mamma Mia

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_00]: but number one because she's never seen number two.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But she just wants to watch one with like the crowd

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm like, but I really want to maneuver this

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: so that Mamma Mia two is the movie.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Put your finger on the scale, Mike. You can do it.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. I don't know.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's now would be good.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But in any case, Roy Shider not in Mamma Mia two

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_00]: but he is in still of the night.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of Roy Shider in this movie, Mike?

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean just on a just pure visual level

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: he looks old now.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know what, it's only how many years?

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's three, three year, four years?

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So we should, there's been like a little bit

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_00]: of a time gap.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_00]: All that jazz was 79. This is 82.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Not that long.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Not that long.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Probably made it in 81, right?

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It's been about three years since his last film appearance.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So he obviously like took some time off to do like all that jazz

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and like, I mean honestly a lot of his projects

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_00]: have been like extremely daunting physically for him,

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I think.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go into the jungle for sorcerer.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the four years where he made Jaws sorcerer

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and all that jazz in like close succession

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: has got it has had to be taxing, you know,

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_00]: that had to be a lot.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And so he, I guess took some time off

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and then comes back with this movie.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, he does seem older.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder how much of that is, you know, the performance,

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: how much of that is the way they kind of dress him up

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: in this movie because he is supposed to be like,

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, a pretty like, you know, a mild mannered psychiatrist

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_00]: who doesn't, who's not really interesting,

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, that kind of thing, right?

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. That's true.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got glasses on for most of the movie.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: His hair is a little gray around the edges and stuff

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: like that.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got some wrinkles, you know.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I wonder how much that is,

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like makeup or in plus costuming and stuff.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause yeah, he's in like, you know,

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: khakis in a polo and like a sweater or like cardigans.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's in mild, like you said,

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: mild manner psychiatrist mode for most of the movie

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: for the whole movie.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's definitely, that's definitely part of it.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, I think Shader overall is pretty good.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not a, it's not a,

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: like we were saying, it's not a bad movie.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just maybe poorly paced or missing something

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: or I don't really know.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a lot of spark generally in the story

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and stuff, which is what you kind of need in a,

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: in like a sort of conspiracy thriller thing, you know.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think he's, I believe him when,

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: in the psychiatrist sessions and like, you know,

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: he's kind of doing the psycho analysis things

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and gets warned by the police.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you may be a target if the person,

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: cause it's his patient that gets killed,

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: like, oh, you may know something that there

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: or the killer might think you know something.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And you may become a target.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's interesting.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, him sort of just kind of getting

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: pulled into the like, oh, a little bit of excitement

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: in my boring life or whatever, you know.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And he kind of goes off the deep end a little bit.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So there, there is certain that certainly that aspect,

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but I feel like he doesn't go as crazy

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: until like something like last embrace

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: or like a guy who knew too much

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: or got it over his head kind of character normally would.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's sort of like a tempered thing he's got going on.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no like big blow up scene that he has, you know.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he dives into the role of psychiatrist very well

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and like does the kind of psychoanalyst,

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_00]: psychoanalyzing of like the situation pretty well.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I think where the movie does, I think fall flat the most

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_00]: is the relationship between Roy Shatter and Meryl Streep.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Which, you know, that role that Meryl Streep has

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_00]: in the movie is supposed to be like the femme fatale,

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: seductress type sort of thing, right?

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: There's moments where like, you know,

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: she actually does appear like semi-nude or like, you know,

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: she's like laying down and getting a massage

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's fully naked and all that stuff.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's meant to be like, you know, sort of a tempting thing

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: for Roy Shatter.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And they do have like a relationship that kind of blossoms

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: throughout the movie.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, maybe that's just like a weird mode

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: for Meryl Streep to be in.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: That's me.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's sort of what I mean.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He, and it sort of just like comes out of nowhere.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you sort of get the idea he's having through like

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_01]: those, those psychiatrists or the sessions with the guy.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the guy even notices that he doesn't ask about

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the mistress and like he's sort of is having this like

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: voyeuristic vicarious thing, creating his own chiters,

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_01]: creating like his own relationship with those women

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: through this guy's stories.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But then, so then like when they finally meet,

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just like, and now you're there a couple

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and you're like, wait, what?

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Where did that come from?

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It just feels like this is a story that does necessitate

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: like some kind of like a stronger emphasis

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_00]: on the lust that he feels for that character.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And be subheat.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And this movie is rated PG and is not able to do that.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the thing about a lot of those like

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Hitchcock pastiche movies that are doing things like that

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: or these like neo-noirs of the 80s, they're all rated R

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're all sex thrillers.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine how like heated this movie could be

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: if like Kathleen Turner was playing the girl's street

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: role and it was basically just body heat.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The problem with this movie is it's not body heat

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: which is a really good movie.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is much better.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Body heat.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's also maybe one of the things

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: up against this movie is there's so many other

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: versions that are better that you could just like

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: while you're watching it, you're like,

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I wish I was watching Dressed to Kill or body heat.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basic instinct or whatever.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Basic instinct or whatever.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Just name any of them, right?

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a thing stacked against this movie too.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, there's not even a,

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_01]: is it North by Northwest that has the like

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: pan to train going in the tunnel?

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that's Northwest by Northwest, yeah.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's nothing half as clever as that

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: in this movie, you know?

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, it doesn't have any of the Hitchcock style stuff.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_00]: There's really like no hint of sex between Roy Shatter

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and Meryl Streep.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_00]: They kiss once or twice.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's nothing like more than that.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And then when you get to like the last like

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_00]: 20 minutes of the movie where like you said

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_00]: it does kind of become a slasher movie.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And it turns out the only other possible,

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_00]: like if they're not going to go the route

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: that Meryl Streep is actually the one who kills him

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_00]: then the only other possible person it could be

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: is the person that it is.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the second woman in the movie.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It's either her or Roy Shatter's mom.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot about the mom, you're right.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But then it just like immediately devolves

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_00]: into like the dumbest stuff that could possibly happen.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he gets to the castle that she's hiding out in,

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Meryl Streep and he's like, we got to get out of here

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and they run away and Meryl Streep's like,

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_00]: wait a minute, I forgot my keys inside.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Just goes back inside.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the sprawling North Shore Long Island estate,

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_01]: which they did nail, that's the vibe of North Shore.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Long Island.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I don't know the scene before like that,

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's when Hermann Lag is right

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: is at that house, which is a big acting scene, you know.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: She nails it like it's great.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's powerfully performed and everything.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Where it sort of reveals the entire blackmail plot

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that's been going on in the background of the movie

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: that we didn't know about till right now.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, him sort of recounting the dream

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and walking through realizing that this house

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: is the house from his patients dream

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and like that whole thing was fun

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and the bloody teddy bear shit, that was creepy and weird.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, the dream stuff is the stuff

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_00]: that worked for me the most in this movie.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Like when you first see the dream

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and like, yeah, he pulls the eye off the teddy bear

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and starts bleeding.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Cool.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Great.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Love that image.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Really fun.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it starts dripping out of the eye

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and like, yeah, there's a lot of blood coming out.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Really cool.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And like when you're watching the dream

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and like he's describing it

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and you're seeing him kind of like maneuver his way through it.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I really liked when Rory Shatter

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: was like kind of reenacting the dream

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: at the end of the movie.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_00]: When he's like, oh, this is what this means

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and this is what this means

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and he like knows that like, you know, green box

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_00]: means like, you know, distressed woman or something.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he just like has these like psycho and like, you know

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: it has been like analyzing dreams for years.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is his field

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and so he knows like all this means kind of thing, right?

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: All the dream logic symbolism stuff.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He had all clicks in a place

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and they realized who the actual killer must be.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's forget our keys inside, I guess.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That's just the next scene.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So that Rory Shatter can be alone to get shanked.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, that happens.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: He's sitting in the car

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and the other woman who is Binham's assistant

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_00]: who like was also in an affair with Binham

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: but he passed over her for the job that she wanted

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: so that he could hire Meryl Streep instead.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And start an affair with her.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And start an affair with her.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So she feels shafted by him.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: She's the one who gives Rory Shatter the tour

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_00]: right place earlier in the movie.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, she's in the backseat of the car.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: She stabs Rory Shatter and you're like,

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: oh man, I can't believe this movie killed Rory Shatter.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: He's fine.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_00]: He's fine.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_00]: He's okay.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I missed I guess.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no explanation for it.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_00]: She stabs him and I mean it's in the back.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_00]: She missed whatever.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But he like falls on the horn of the car.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He does the whole thing.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: The horn is going.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And that really feels like a moment where it's like,

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_00]: oh wow.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I get like crazy Rory Shatter died.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she goes in to chase after Meryl Streep.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And they have like this confrontation up on the high tower.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a, you know, a scuffle between the two of them.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And they end up switching places and the lady falls instead.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_00]: The assistant falls, the killer falls.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And Meryl Streep tries to hold on to her,

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_00]: but she can't.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Rory Shatter shows up and it's like,

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_00]: oh man, crazy.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I just got stabbed.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that crazy?

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it ends.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically there was a funny thing that I just saw recently,

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe a couple of days ago or last week or two on Twitter,

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: going around saying like we should really bring back

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: like very obvious ragdolls in movies.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it was just people like quote,

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: teening it with their favorite moments of that.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Where like somebody jumps out a window and then he cut to

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: a very obvious dummy, like, you know,

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: jumping out, being thrown off the window.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And this movie has that when the assistant,

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: when they switch places or whatever and the slasher falls

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: off the balcony and then cut to a very obvious,

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: like dummy falling off a cliff.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that's weird.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's all right, whatever.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_00]: It's still the night, you know?

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's okay.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you think this fits into the roles

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_00]: that we've seen Shatter play so far, Mike?

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess it's a new like profession

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that we've seen from when we haven't seen him be this

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of erudite doctor type character before.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He's always a rough common man, blue collar cop guy.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little different in that regard.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't think of any direct comparisons necessarily.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's maybe the movie in general sort of feels

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: in the continuum of corpse or curse of the living corpse,

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: just like the updated to the 70s, 80s version of that kind of.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not really that sort of like a state gothic horror

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_01]: thing the way that movie is, but it's got that vibe there.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think last embrace we should mention

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_00]: just as the other kind of Hitchcock pastiche

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: that Ray Shatter was in.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And that one's more of like doing like a

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_00]: North by Northwest type thing.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And this one's kind of more doing a rear window type thing

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: where it's much more about the voyeurism thing there.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there is like a scene that is like directly

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_00]: recreating rear window where he's like spying on real

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_00]: strange in like the next building over, right?

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, there's some other man there

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and he sees her on dressing and all that kind of stuff.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It turns out that's the masseuse we didn't know then.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but it does feel like a kind of rear window homage.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: There I think the fall at the end of it feels like vertigo,

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_00]: which last embrace also has, because you know, vertigo

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_00]: frequently referenced movie. It's very good.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be the one you reference, right?

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a weird like, I don't know.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the Hitchcock standing in pop culture,

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Psycho is the one that's probably

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_00]: like the most referenced.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, true.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But among film nerds, like I wouldn't think

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_00]: it was vertigo for whatever.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I like vertigo quite a bit and it was like

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_00]: names number one on like the site and sound list in 2012,

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_00]: which is when like that's when I saw vertigo

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_00]: because it like dethroned citizen canyons.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Like well, it's time for me to watch vertigo.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So I did and it's very good, but I prefer rear window.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I prefer dial in for murder.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of hitchhiking movies I like more than vertigo.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's true.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I went to see this.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember going to see vertigo at the Madison Theater

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in Albany.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You remember that little?

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I do. Yeah.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I saw reality bites there.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a shitty $5 second run theater that they renovated

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and made into a like rep theater for a second.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was a rep theater, but it wasn't like advertised

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: as a rep theater.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It was just like, you know,

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_00]: they would just be playing old movies.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was definitely like the blue ray.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it definitely wasn't anything fancy or whatever.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I went to see blues brothers there once too actually.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Nice.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_00]: That was fun.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But I hadn't seen vertigo in a really long time.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So I went to go and I was like all hyped

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and I remember coming out of it being like,

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I remember that being much more exciting.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like,

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I was probably thinking of Northwest when I saw that one.

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I saw those when I was 15 or whatever

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and I don't remember them.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously, of course,

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: vertigo is great, but yeah,

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not the most exciting of his movies.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the one that like, I mean, it's so big in the canon now.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I think because of when it was named number one on sight

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and sound, but yeah,

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_00]: there are other hitchhiking movies that I definitely prefer,

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_00]: but I also haven't seen vertigo in 10 years.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I should rewatch vertigo.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_00]: True.

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's great.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a good time.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_00]: In any case, this movie is no vertigo.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not even a last embrace.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even a last embrace was last embrace rocks.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, controversial opinion,

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe last embrace better than vertigo.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That is controversial.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That would be a hot take.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't possibly say that until I rewatched vertigo.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take that back right now.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, any other scenes or moments

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and still the night to stand out to you, Mike,

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_00]: anything else that you feel like we should talk about?

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's one scene that feels like the other most thrilling

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_01]: scene in the movie is when, you know,

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_01]: this perfectly encapsulates sort of what I was talking about.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Richard or doing laundry.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like a little bit of a while

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: of him just kind of doing laundry.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's listening to tapes.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I think while he's doing it, right?

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He's listening to tapes and reading files or whatever.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a real David Fincher protagonist kind of thing.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he hears like a bump down the hallway or something.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, hello.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he just goes, okay, hit play again on his tape.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, all right.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But eventually it's like this kind of really tense suspense scene

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_01]: where he thinks he's being stalked

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_01]: in the basement of his apartment building doing laundry.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's in an incredible fit.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Look at the picture I tweeted.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, I mean,

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought this was actually a pretty well constructed

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like suspense scene.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He's going down this dark hallway,

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_01]: there's pipes bursting with steam and drips

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and all this just kind of jump scary, loud noise things

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: until he runs into Meryl Streep's character.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she's coming out of the elevator

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_01]: or down the staircase or whatever.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like a big jump scare.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, what are you doing here?

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of thing.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Because we've already been planted.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's already been planted I think by the detective

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that it was a woman that did the killing

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_01]: because they can tell somehow.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So now we think it must be her, right?

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's part of the whole plot of the whole movie.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But I thought that whole laundry dark hallway scene stuff

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_01]: was pretty good.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I agree.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_00]: That took us really like solidly constructed sequence

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and it does kind of give you that like,

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_00]: ooh, maybe Meryl Streep is the killer or something.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_00]: What's she doing down here?

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_00]: She's coming to kill Roy Scheider.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But I thought it was very funny that he like explicitly grabs

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the tab can.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what are you doing?

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_00]: The tab can really makes the scene I think.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Just really dates it into 1982.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Which was good.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Also I should mention,

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I really liked Roy Scheider's mom in the movie.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought she was great.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I liked their relationship.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I liked whenever she showed up like on a down set

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_00]: his house and you know,

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_00]: she's trying to get him to go to a party for his uncle

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_00]: that you know, you're his favorite.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You got to go.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like,

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_00]: oh, you got to make up an excuse for me or whatever.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But like she's also a psychiatrist.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And so whenever like,

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_00]: she's like psychoanalyzing him while he's

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: psychoanalyzing himself and the whole case

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and all that stuff.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And so whenever,

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_00]: whenever like they're together and bouncing off each other,

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was very fun.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: They're a fun dynamic with the all the like,

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: don't start all that stuff with me mom.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, she's like, oh, interesting.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, all that.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So I liked their dynamic to you.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I also did want to shout out the detective

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: who definitely feels like a remnant from

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: when this was a comedy.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Now that you've put that context in my brain

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: because he's like sort of a bumbling idiot,

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but like actually he's hot on the case.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like he's kind of portrayed as like a,

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_01]: like a, like a dick or whatever.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's really funny.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a moment when he first shows up.

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's right after Meryl Streep has first shown up

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_00]: at Roy Shider's office and he helps her leave.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But she like leaves a watch that was given to her by,

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_00]: or it's like, it's like a,

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_00]: it's actually Bynum's watch, right?

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Bynum's watch that was like left with her

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_00]: that like is actually for his wife or whatever.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it was an anniversary gift or something.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It is an inscription on it.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's an inscription on the watch that says like,

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, George Bynum, like in like big bold letters.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's on Roy Shider's desk when the cop walks in

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and there's like a moment where Roy Shider like

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_00]: sees the watch, looks at the cop,

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_00]: like is looking back on it

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and is like trying to figure out how to hide the watch.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he like puts the notebook down

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_00]: over the watch as he's like showing his dates

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_00]: like the schedule.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the cop takes a look at the notebook

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_00]: so it's not covering the watch anymore.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And he just like kind of very conspicuously

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_00]: like takes the watch and moves it into his desk.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And just gives up on being subtle.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Very funny.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And the cop has no idea, does not notice at all.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they visit a couple of times

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's just like keep trying to tell him

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_01]: like we think the killer is going to come after you

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: because you might know too much.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Even, you know, he's doing the whole

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01]: like confidentiality thing with the cop.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And Shider's just like blatantly ignoring him.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's so, like I don't know, it's so wild.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So, but yeah, I thought he was funny.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: There's also the scene when Shider gets like willfully

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: mugged in Central Park at night.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So, like he gets held up by a knife point

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and the guy takes his money and he's like,

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, you want my wallet too?

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Like offering, how about my coat?

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Or the guy wants his coat, whatever.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So that this guy ends up being killed

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: because he's dressed like Roy Shider's character.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And you can see the person walking on the stairs

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_00]: behind him once Roy Shider leaves.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like almost immediately.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like under a bridge

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and as soon as he walks out of the light

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: onto the other side of the bridge,

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_01]: coming into the darkness, you see a figure.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So like hot on his tail

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and he ends up being dead or being killed

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and the two detectives being like,

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I just lost 20 bucks on this show.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're just like real New York detective guys

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_01]: all of a sudden from Law and Order or some shit.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Having the context that this was once a comedy,

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_01]: those two guys make a lot more sense.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: That kind of reminds me of the two cops

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_00]: from Curse the Living Corpse actually too.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Also like incompetent buffoons who were like,

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, just like, oh, this guy's been drinking

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_00]: the whole time but he said he was, you know, all that.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty much the same.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So I wanted to shout them out, but yeah,

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: we were basically covered it all, I think.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think we can wrap it up, Mike.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Or well first, we got to get in some letter box.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yes.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Got to see what the people have to say

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_00]: about Still of the Night.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's get into that.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a two star review from Sunny Jim,

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_00]: which reads, it wants to be a trashy thriller,

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_00]: a la de pama or even a proto basic instinct,

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_00]: but lacks the courage to go all in

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: or is simply too embarrassed.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Shiter and Streep are decent enough.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of dull.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_00]: The ending isn't terrible, I guess.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_00]: The tension of one scene is undercut

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_00]: by a conspicuous product placement for Tab.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: At least we know how Roy stays so trim.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Incredible.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It really stands out.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it must have been product placement

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: now that I think about it.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if it was like a Pepsi or something,

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have noticed.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_00]: If it was like another soft drink,

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_00]: would have been fine.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he does a lot of business with the Tab can.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like really holding it out

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and the Tab can is so pronounced.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It's such a dark scene

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and the Tab can is like bright pink.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Wild.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a four star review from Ari,

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_00]: which reads, gorgeous Hitchcock riff

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_00]: that plays like a PG rated Jello

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_00]: with Meryl Streep at the height of her beauty.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's why it's so underrated.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_00]: If it were punctuated by more

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_00]: orgiastic episodes of gruesome violence,

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it would be more highly praised.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And the more I see Shider in the diversity of roles he played,

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_00]: the more I appreciate him as an actor.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, PG Jello kind of makes a lot of sense, actually.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's kind of what this is.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a two and a half star review from Nathan.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Meryl calling this the worst film she's been in

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_00]: like The Iron Lady doesn't exist.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Damn, shots fired.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, shots fired at The Iron Lady,

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_00]: which was Meryl Streep's third Oscar win.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember that one.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a weird, like Meryl Streep has been nominated

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_00]: like 21 times, but she's actually only won three times.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So her losing rate is much higher than her winning rate

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_00]: as far as the Oscars go.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the last review here.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It's one with no rating from Sydney Loo Hoo.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: This is Meryl's debut year

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_00]: as an honoree on Summer Under the Stars

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and I've been reflecting on her legacy

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_00]: as a star a lot today.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Summer Under the Stars is like a TCM programming thing.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a month long thing where they were like,

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_00]: do you like, hey, here's a spotlight on this actor?

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's interesting how her reputation has shifted

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot over the years from the most respected actors

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_00]: of her generation to, according to some anyway,

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_00]: the most overrated.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder how much of that is perhaps by her own design.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I get it.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Once you become established and highly regarded,

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_00]: you just want to have fun

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_00]: or you want to stop emptying all the gas

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_00]: in the tank on every role.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I understand this.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I just reflect on the way we speak about her now

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_00]: compared to when she was doing roles like this

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and I mourn that Meryl.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_00]: This Meryl? Still an absolute legend.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_00]: This film goes down in Meryl Lour

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_00]: as the film she says is the worst she's ever acted in.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And while I don't know about that

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm not interested in debating that,

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she is fantastic in it.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_00]: She understands the assignment.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_00]: She is the femme fatale.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_00]: The ice blonde.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Is her character a bit of nothing personality wise?

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but that is the assignment

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and she plays it perfectly.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_00]: An ambiguity that culminates

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_00]: in a truly incredible one take monologue from her

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_00]: where she lays on those famous Streep tears

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_00]: with nothing but a black background behind her.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_00]: She is captivating even in her self-admitted worst film.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_00]: She is memorable.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_00]: She knocks it out of the fucking park.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_00]: That, whether you like her or not,

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_00]: whether you agree with it or don't,

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_00]: is star power, baby.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And Meryl has it.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, undeniable.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's got stars.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_01]: We used to have movie stars.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, an impassioned defense of Meryl Streep

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_00]: which I would say again,

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's fine in the movie if maybe miscast,

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_00]: but go check out the River Wild, man.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_00]: She is unbelievable in that movie.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Truly like in my top five Meryl Streep performances

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I think in River Wild.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_00]: She's great in that movie.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So, so good.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Any final thoughts on still of the night?

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Might have to wrap this up.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think this is, you know,

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_01]: could have been a exciting, fun discovery

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_01]: the same way Last Embrace was,

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_01]: but it ends up being a disappointment,

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's not like a waste of time.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just not that great, you know?

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I watched it with ads on Tubi

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and that seemed like the way to watch it.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That feels appropriate.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was a little bit bored with the movie,

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_00]: but every like 20 minutes or so

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I had like 90 seconds to look at my phone.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what kind of ringing endorsement that is, but...

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But that is how I watched it.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, still of the night.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Go check it out if you want.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Where can we find you online this week, Mike?

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[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Next week,

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_00]: we're getting our helicopter action on, baby.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You've been so excited since this won the poll

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_01]: for this movie.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the one that I'm most excited about.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen it.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It just looks like a fun time.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_00]: John Adams 1983 thriller, Blue Thunder,

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_00]: starring Roy Scheider and Warren Oates.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck yeah.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously baby, I didn't know Warren Oates was in this movie.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_00]: They're the co-stars.

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're like co-leads together.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I am stoked.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_00]: This looks like a great time.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_01]: This has ultimate dude's rock potential.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: This could be my number one movie of this season.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that jaw still looks like a-

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Well okay, no more discovery.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But it could be like yeah, my biggest discovery

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_00]: because I had seen most of the major 70s stuff.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So this has big potential for me right here.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Excited about Blue Thunder.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_00]: That'll be happening next week.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Remember to check out our other podcasts.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Mike might go to the movies

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_00]: for all kinds of other movie related stuff

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_00]: including recent releases, ranked lists,

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_00]: general discussions and a lot more.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much for listening guys

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and thanks for taking a ride on The Scheider Side.