Ep. 1 - Back to the Future Part II (1989)

[00:00:00] Alright then, keep your secrets. Get that frog out of your pants. I'm the guy. The real guy. Where do all these movies come from anyway? Just fucking ding-a-ling. I will take the ring to Mordor. Though, I do not know the way.

[00:00:25] Hello and welcome to Episode 1 of The Complete Works Season 5. A deep dive into the career and films of actor Elijah Wood. My name is Mike Smith and joining me on this journey there and back again is my friend, co-host and fellow woodpecker... Mike D'Acruccio. How you doing today, Mike? You know, we'll see how that one sits. We'll see. We got some time to workshop, I think.

[00:00:53] You think we should keep workshopping that? That was a suggestion from Kyle Cullen actually. Kyle was the one who came up with that one and I don't know. I thought it was good. I thought it was funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. It's not the worst, but it's certainly a thing. But otherwise... Certainly, yes. If you, the listener, come up with anything new, any other alternative that we haven't thought of for our intro thing instead of woodpecker,

[00:01:21] feel free to tweet at us or skit at us at Complete Works Pod on Blue Sky. That's the way to do it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Let us know. It'll be very funny due to podcast time travel when we're like, you know, 10 or 15 episodes in before we change it. But it'll be great. I can't wait. Yes. By the time we change it, people will already be used to woodpecker. Like people won't want us to change it anymore. Yeah. But yeah, today, Mike, we are kicking off a new season of Complete Works. It's happening.

[00:01:50] It's here. The time is now. The future is now, old man. Get ready. Here we go. Yes, exactly. And we're going to begin with a brief overview of Elijah Wood's life before the movie we're talking about today. There can't be much. That is correct. Yeah, no, he was a very young child. So Elijah Wood was born in 1981 in Cedar Rapids, Iowa to Debbie and Warren Wood, his parents.

[00:02:18] They were owners and operators of a local deli in Cedar Rapids. And so a few years ago, this is back in 2013, Elijah Wood was doing a Reddit AMA, I believe, to promote Maniac, I want to say. Would have been around that time. And he is one of those celebrities that you would be like, yeah, it makes sense that he's doing a Reddit AMA. It's just like it tracks that that he's doing that, you know? Well, it used to be. I mean, I guess it probably still is just like just a full on marketing thing at this point. Like, yeah, I guess so. But I feel like I used to see them much more frequently.

[00:02:46] I don't see Reddit AMAs that much anymore. Do you? No, I actually. Granted, I'm not on Reddit, so I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I used to be a very heavy Reddit user, probably to like the last couple of years or so. And then they went public and they did a whole bunch of, you know, now we need to sanitize the site and a whole bunch of like all this garbage bullshit. And I was just like, I'm good. Delete. Just deleted like a 13-year-old account. I was like, goodbye. Especially like I just deleted Twitter like, you know, last year or whatever. It was like, I'm good. I've had enough of you.

[00:03:17] Yes. So I have no idea. I don't pay attention to Reddit stuff anymore. But they used to be pretty legendary. It was like a whole thing. Yeah, they were huge. And so Elijah Wood did a Reddit AMA back in 2012 or 2013. And in the AMA, he did talk about how he got into acting. Somebody asked him anything, and that was one of them. And so he said that he was five years old when his mother saw a commercial on TV and kind of just had the thought that, hey, it'd be fun for you to do commercials because you have a lot of energy.

[00:03:44] He had a lot of energy as a kid, needed some kind of outlet to get it all out. And so she enrolled him in a modeling school that had an acting element to it because that was kind of the only option in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. And the school ended up taking him and some other clients to California for an international modeling and talent convention. Now there, he met the man who became his manager, who apparently stopped him in the lobby of his hotel and asked him if he ever wanted to get into acting.

[00:04:10] And then shortly after, he, his mom, and his brother all moved out to L.A. to audition for pilot season. Wow. And so it was genuinely that quick, which is kind of funny because that's one of those like Hollywood stories you hear about. Like, yeah, you think about like, oh, yeah, people move out to L.A. and I'm just waiting to be discovered or whatever. Yeah, yeah. And Elijah Wood, at the age of six, was in a hotel. Yeah. I was like, hey, kid, you got the goods. You ever think about acting? Some creep saw a six-year-old and was like, I have an idea. Like, what is going on?

[00:04:38] So after six weeks of auditioning, Elijah Wood got his first job, which is not the movie we're talking about today. His first job was actually a music video. It was the Paula Abdul music video for Forever Your Girl, which was directed by David Fincher. So he's actually the first person that ever directed Elijah Wood in anything. That's crazy. Which is pretty wild. And that's before David Fincher was making movies. This is back when he was just a music video director. This is a few years before Alien 3 comes out. So Elijah Wood did that video. I watched it, and you can see him in the video.

[00:05:08] It's a video with a lot of kids in it, so it makes sense that they kind of just wanted a bunch of child actors in there. Yeah. But he kind of pops up a couple of times throughout the video. So he did that, and then he did several commercials after. And after about a year of auditioning and kind of going to different things, he got cast in two different projects. One was a TV movie called Child in the Night, which we will be talking about in a couple of weeks. And then the other one was a minor role in the movie we're talking about today, Mike. History. Yes. Well, history is going to change.

[00:05:37] It begins now. Yeah, exactly. And today's movie, it's not some small-scale obscurity that no one's ever heard of, like so many actors' first movies. Right, Mike? Owl vs. Bombo? What's that? Who's ever heard of that movie? Well, you know, that one at least has Sam O'Hung in there. True. Yeah, you know, actually, we've had a pretty good track record of this, like considering our actors so far, right? You got Nicolas Cage, and our first episode was Best of Times, but his first movie was Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

[00:06:07] So a big, you know, high school comedy, generational classic. Jeff Goldblum, first movie, Death Wish, you know, and that's obviously a big one too. And then you got Michelle Yeoh, which is Owl vs. Bombo, which, yeah, is not one of the generation-defining Hong Kong hits of that era, but it is still, like it's a Sam O'Hung joint. So certainly if you're into that era of film, then it's something that you might come across at some point.

[00:06:29] Yeah, I do see that kind of like out of context from the rest of the movie, the singing in the rain bit from Owl vs. Bombo posted on Twitter and stuff a lot. They're like, damn, look at this shit, like that whole dance number. Like, so it's got some cultural impact. Yeah, absolutely. And then with Roy Scheider, his first movie was The Cursed Living Corpse, which is a kind of an obscurity, not one that people know about. But still, I think as far as our track record goes, pretty good.

[00:06:56] We have like some big first movies, and this continues that one. So this is in fact a big blockbuster sequel to one of the defining movies of the 1980s. And since Elijah Wood is in it, we've got to talk about Back to the Future Part 2. Do you remember the future?

[00:07:28] The future. I gotta check this out, Doc.

[00:07:56] Look what happens to your son. The complete wimp. Don't talk to anyone. You've been looking. Don't touch anything. I need to borrow your cover board. I didn't invent the time machine to win at gambling. I can't lose.

[00:08:24] I invented the time machine to travel through time. Hey, Doc, I'm all for that. What's wrong with making a few bucks on the side? No. The time continuum has been disrupted, creating an alternate. 1985. There have been a few changes. It's like we're in hell or something. No, it's Hill Valley, although I can't imagine hell being much worse. But they'll all be back. Eat less slackers! Biff? Hello! Why did it can't be you?

[00:08:52] You're so big. Michael J. Fox. Christopher Lloyd. Michael J. Fox. Well, like a couple of teenagers, you know? And Michael J. Fox. What, was that you? Steven Spielberg presents a Robert Zemeckis film, Back to the Future. Back to the Future. Part two. Coming November 22nd to theaters everywhere.

[00:09:23] So Back to the Future Part 2 is, of course, the first sequel to Back to the Future, a generation-defining classic and the highest grossing film of 1985. So according to Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale, the director and writer of the original film, a sequel was never really on their minds when making the first one. And it was only conceived after the massive success of that movie, which makes sense.

[00:09:46] Even though Back to the Future does end on this kind of like big moment where like Doc Brown shows up and, you know, he gets Marty back in the DeLorean and they fly off and say, we're going to any roads. I feel like if there was never any sequels to Back to the Future, that's still a good ending to that movie. Right? Yeah. I mean, I guess I didn't realize it until like watching. I did end up watching all three movies, which I know you did also. Yes. But watching it this time around, like that there's a four year gap between the first and second movie.

[00:10:16] It's 85 and then 89. Yeah. And I always assumed that obviously they planned it. It ends that way. Like, you know, like obviously they were meant to do this. And then like two ends with like the to be continued like sizzle reel for three. So it's like, wow, it's crazy that they made all three of these movies all in a row. And they all came out like, wow, that must have been so exciting in 1985 and 86 and 87. And then you're like, what? Like if you look at the Wikipedia page and see the release dates and you're like, wait, hold on.

[00:10:45] So, but I think it would have been, it would be satisfying if that was just the ending of the first one. But it like blew my mind this time, realizing that like, wait, they must not have meant to do this if it's a four year gap. Yes. And actually that did pose several issues with them when making two that we'll get into, which will be fun to talk about. But so after the first film was huge, Bob Gale wrote the first draft for Back to the Future Part Two on his own. Uh, while Robert Zemeckis went off to make Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Uh, that was his next movie after Back to the Future. Wow.

[00:11:14] Zemeckis, uh, you know, a filmmaker who I love, like a big filmmaker for me as a kid growing up because I was a huge Back to the Future fan, because I was a huge Roger Rabbit fan. Uh, you know, and I loved Forrest Gump when I saw, when I saw that when I was 12 and all that stuff. And I loved Cast Away. And at that point he was making the, um, his like weird CGI movies, his Polar Express and Beowulf and stuff. Uh, but I remember liking Beowulf at the time.

[00:11:36] Uh, so there is that, but he is still a filmmaker who, despite the fact that I don't think he's made a truly good movie in a very long time, I will go see everything he comes out with because he's the guy who made Back to the Future. It's just one of those things like out of respect in this household, we have to go see the new Zemeckis movie. Yeah, that buys you a lot of goodwill, you know? Yes, absolutely. So he went off to make Roger Rabbit.

[00:11:58] When he returned, he and Bob Gale cracked the story of the two sequels and decided to film Part 2 and Part 3 back to back and release them one year apart. And this was largely done because Michael J. Fox had an extended filming break from Family Ties. Uh, so he was still on that show at the time, uh, but it was kind of ending its run, so he had a little more time to, uh, film Back to the Future sequels. The film always had the first two acts take place in the future, in 2015, and then in the alternate 1985.

[00:12:26] So that was always kind of the plan for Part 2, but Act 3 did not originally go back to 1955. It did not originally revisit the events of the first film. Interesting. Interesting. Uh, it was originally written as taking place in 1967, uh, with Lorraine as a hippie protesting the Vietnam War and George McFly as a college professor. Like, that was kind of like where we were going to check in with those characters at that point in their lives, uh, at that point in their lives. Uh, and then Crispin Glover didn't come back.

[00:12:58] Fascinating. Yeah. So, uh, they, there was a contract negotiation with Crispin Glover that kind of went sour. He wanted more money and they couldn't give it to him. Uh, and so they opted for Crispin Glover to not return for Back to the Futures 2 and 3. Uh, and that's when Zemeckis had the idea of using visual effects to revisit the events of 1955 in the first film, but from a different perspective.

[00:13:18] Uh, and for George McFly to use a combination of archive footage and a different actor and heavy makeup, uh, for certain scenes, uh, to kind of pass off the, uh, the illusion of George McFly, like being there and kind of doing a Crispin Glover impression. Right. Right. I mean, yeah, that makes sense. I think I didn't even really notice that he's not in this movie outside of like the archival footage we've already seen from the, like the part one. Uh, yeah. So, yeah, that, that was like one hurdle they had to kind of get, get past when doing part two and three.

[00:13:48] The other kind of hurdle, which we'll talk about in a minute is that, uh, Claudia Wells, who played Jennifer in, uh, part one, uh, did not return for part two. Uh, and so Elizabeth, she replaces her in the, in these two movies. Uh, but they also didn't, because they weren't planning the sequels, uh, when they wrote the first movie, the first thing that like they, when they sat down to write part two, they were like, fuck, why did we have Jennifer getting the DeLorean at the end of the first movie? What do we do with this character now? Now what? And their response is to knock her out from most of the movies.

[00:14:16] Just make her unconscious. Easy. Yes, exactly. So Elijah would appears briefly in this movie as video game boy. Uh, one of the kids who tries to play wild gunman and cafe eighties who then makes fun of Marty McFly. Uh, and yeah, it's the, the line it's like a baby's toy has been stuck in my head since I was 10 years old. You know, it's just one of those things. That's fascinating. So it was part two. I mean, I guess we'll get to it. We're not, we're not done with the setup yet. Yes. We're still, we're still doing the setup, but yeah. But the whole trilogy was a big thing for me.

[00:14:46] Like that's kind of, yeah. Uh, so reprising their roles from the first film are Michael J. Fox as Marty McFly, plus his older self, his son, and weirdly his daughter, Marlene McFly. Yeah. Weird choice. Yes. Thomas Wilson as Biff Tannen, as well as his older self, his grandson Griff and the voice of his grandma, Gertrude Leah Thompson as Lorraine and her older self.

[00:15:14] James Tolkien is Mr. Strickland, Billy Zane, Casey's Masco and JJ Cole as Biff's cronies match 3d and skinhead. They all come back. Uh, always fun to see Billy Zane in this movie. Yeah. Uh, in these movies. Uh, and actually I totally forgot. He has one of my favorite lines in this movie, uh, which is when they're chasing after Marty and they're like, how did he change his clothes so fast? Um, very good. Uh, George Buckflower returns as read the bum. Harry waters Jr. Returns as Marvin Berry. Lisa Freeman plays Lorraine's friend Babs from the first movie.

[00:15:44] She's back. And, uh, Donald fully love who played mayor Goldie Wilson in the first film plays Goldie Wilson, the third in this movie in 2015. Uh, not returning from the first movie are Crispin Glover as George McFly, who is replaced, uh, by archive footage, as well as actor Jeffrey Wiseman, uh, who was also McGougal's and Max Keeble's big move. Um, if that's a movie that, uh, has any resonance for you, Mike, uh, I don't know if you were a Max Keeble kid growing up. I was, I loved that movie.

[00:16:10] Who wasn't that, but that is the first time I've heard those words put together in that order in 25 years. Truly, truly. I have not watched Max Keeble's big move since I was maybe 10 years old. That came out in like 01. So yeah, maybe by 10 or 11 years old. Uh, but every once in a while, the McGougal's song from that movie will just show up in my head. Wow. You know, McGougal's is me name. I like the swampy book. It's time to play a game with your favorite pirate frog. Wow.

[00:16:40] It's very much the triple dent gum joke and inside out just coming back, coming back in there. Um, but yeah, he played McGougal's in, uh, in that movie and he plays George McFly in this, uh, and also not returning as Claudia Wells as Jennifer Parker. Uh, so the reason she didn't return, uh, her mother had actually been diagnosed with cancer and she put her acting career on hold to take care of her. So it wasn't like in, uh, you know, there was no animosity there or whatever. It was just like, Hey, she chose not to come back, uh, to take care of her mom.

[00:17:06] Uh, so she is replaced in this movie by Elizabeth shoe, who at this point is actually already pretty well known because she's in the karate kid. She's in adventures in babysitting, uh, and a few other movies. She's cocktail right before this as well. Uh, so kind of surprising they went with like a bigger name, I guess for Jennifer in this movie, you know, and then to knock her out and then to knock her out for most of the runtime. Yeah. And for her to only appear in the last scene of back to the future three as well.

[00:17:30] Uh, so from, from there you've got griff's gang, uh, Ricky Dean Logan, who also appears in part three as part of needles as gang, uh, plays data, uh, Darlene Vogel from the TV series. Pacific blue plays spike and our favorite Kung Fu priest, Jason Scott Lee. Let's go, uh, from Dracula two and three. Uh, one of them is called Ascension and I forget what the other one's like dominion or legacy or something like that. I think legacy actually, I think it's Ascension and legacy.

[00:17:58] So Dracula two Ascension and Dracula three legacy. Uh, yeah. Jason Scott Lee, who of course we talked about on the Roy Scheider season, uh, was, uh, you texted me as soon as you watched back to the future two and be like our favorite Kung Fu priest. Yeah. Yeah. Well, cause we had, we had the moment, my friends and I were watching these movies and, uh, we had the moment where, uh, the opening credits and it's like Billy Zane and we're like Billy Zane. Like what the hell? Who is he? Like I totally missed him in the first one.

[00:18:23] And so we were like, well, he's gotta be, is he like one of Biff's like, like friend, like the, the gang or something like that? Which is what he is. Yeah. Yeah. Well then, so then when Griff shows up, I was like, where's Billy Zane? Where I was like looking really hard at them. And I was like, wait a second. I like had to pause the movie. It was like, I need to, I need to Google something right now. Like that is the Google. That is him. That's the Kung Fu priest. Like, and they were like, what are you talking about? Like, and then you press play on Dracula two. Yeah, exactly. To get them in there. Uh, yeah.

[00:18:51] So Jason Scott Lee plays whitey part of Griff's gang, uh, in this movie. Uh, he is the one who, uh, yells at Marty and says, uh, you know, or the first guy says those boards don't work on water. And then Jason Scott Lee goes, unless you've got power. Uh, yes. Uh, soap opera actress, Stephanie E. Williams plays officer Foley in the future. Uh, while Mary Ellen trainer from the Goonies lethal weapon and die hard plays officer Reese. Uh, and she was actually also married to Robert Zemeckis at the time, but she's the newscaster in die.

[00:19:21] Uh, got it. Yes. Gail and die hard. Uh, Marty's coworker needles is played by red hot chili peppers. Basist flea. Cool to see him pop up. Uh, love to see him flee in movies. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like early, like, obviously it's 89. I was like, flea was already a person that hit then. I didn't like, I don't know anything. Yeah. The chili peppers were barely a band at this point, you know, 89. Right. Yeah. So fun to see him. Uh, Al white who played one of the jive dudes in airplane, uh, is the dad in the house who tries to beat Marty with the bats.

[00:19:50] Um, uh, Wesley man from that. So Raven is the guy who thinks Marty took this wallet. Uh, Joe Flaherty from SCTV freaks and geeks and happy Gilmore plays the Western union guy who gives Marty doc Brown's letter. Uh, and finally Charles Fleischer, the voice of Roger rabbit plays two roles in this movie. Really? Yes. He is Biff's mechanic in 1955. Uh, and he's also the guy in 2015 who tells Marty, he wished he could have bet some money on the cubbies. Uh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's Roger rabbit.

[00:20:18] Uh, the movie is written by Bob Gale and directed by Robert Zemeckis. So one year after who framed Roger rabbit and one year before back to the future part three, uh, Zemeckis, his most recent movie was 2024 is here, uh, which was a forest Gump reunion between him, Tom Hanks and Robin Wright. I kind of liked it. I thought it was one of his best movies in a while. Uh, but that's a controversial take. I believe. I think so.

[00:20:40] I think part of that is just like, you know, his movie before here was the, uh, Disney plus remake of Pinocchio, which is one of the worst things I've ever seen that I've ever like sat through. Uh, so here are like a marked improvement on that one. Uh, Zemeckis currently working on his next film, which is a crime thriller called the last Mrs. Parrish, uh, starring Jennifer Lopez and Nicolai coaster Waldau, uh, which is being distributed by Netflix. Uh, which should come out sometime this year. Uh, so yeah, there's that. Let's look forward to it. We'll see what happens.

[00:21:08] Back to the future part two was the third highest grossing movie of 1989. Uh, do you want to take a guess at what the first two highest grossing movies of that year were, Mike? You know, it's been a couple of weeks or a few months maybe even since we've done a Complete Works episode recording session. Yeah. And I, I forgot the bliss of not having the pressure of this box office game foisted upon me. Yeah. Um, so no, I don't want to guess what the movies were. You don't want to guess at all.

[00:21:38] What movies came out in 1989? Nobody could possibly remember. Uh, I can give you a hint if it would help you, Mike. Ghost. No, what? No, Ghost is later. I know. Ghost is 90s. You're, you're not far off. Uh, but yeah, it's not Ghost. Uh, it's a superhero movie at number one, if that helps you. One of the Supermans. I don't know which one. DC. It's a DC character. Oh, Batman. Yeah. Yeah. It's Tim Burton's Batman. Tim Burton's Batman. That was number one. Yeah. Yes. Uh, and number two is a threequel. It's the third movie in a franchise. Um, no, I got, I don't know.

[00:22:07] Uh, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is the, uh, is number two. So those are your top two highest grossing movies of the year. Back to the Future Part Two is number three. Uh, but it was the only major release opening up in its weekend, which is why I didn't make you guess any of the other ones in that weekend, uh, just the year. Uh, but it was released on November 22nd, 1989. Of course, it opens number one. Uh, the rest of the top 10 consisted of Harlem Nights, The Little Mermaid, Look Who's Talking, Steel Magnolias, All Dogs Go to Heaven, Prancer with Sam Elliott, Dad with Jack Lemon and

[00:22:37] Ted Danson, the French film The Bear, and Crimes and Misdemeanors. Uh, so yeah, holiday season. Yeah, the Disney Renaissance is happening because Little Mermaid just came out. So that's like kind of kicking off a big thing. Uh, and you got Look Who's Talking in there, which is fun. That's, it's good for them. Good for the culture. Yes. Surprising hit. I was recently listening to, uh, because I'm, you know, seven, eight months behind on my podcast. Uh, Blank Check did an Amy Heckerling series, uh, last year. Uh, and of course, Amy Heckerling directed, uh, Look Who's Talking and Look Who's Talking too.

[00:23:07] Uh, and what a weird phenomenon those movies were. I've definitely seen them both, uh, but not since I was a kid and I've never had any desire to, to go back and watch them, you know? Yeah, I definitely have seen them also, but definitely I think before I knew movies could be bad, you know? Sure. It's like one of those, like, it's a movie. It's pretty good. Yeah, exactly. I, I, from what I, from what I remember from that podcast, I think I kind of liked the first one still. I mean, the first one still kind of held up for them. Uh, two, not as much.

[00:23:33] Uh, and there is a third one, Look Who's Talking Now, where the dog talks. Uh, Amy Heckerling was not involved in the movie. I was involved with that one. Um, but it was like a quick, like, Look Who's Talking in 89, Look Who's Talking 2 in 1990, and then Look Who's Talking Now in 91 or something like that. It was just like back to back to back. We gotta milk this for all it's worth as fast as we can, and then put this to bed forever. Yeah. Uh, so the letterbox plot synopsis for Back to the Future Part 2 reads, Marty and Doc

[00:24:00] are at it again as the time-traveling duo head to 2015 to nip some McFly family woes in the bud. But things go awry thanks to bully Biff Tannen and a pesky sports almanac. In a last-ditch attempt to set things straight, Marty finds himself bound for 1955 and face-to-face with his teenage parents again. Uh, I am using letterbox now just because they tend to have better plot synopsis than IMDb. Yeah. As I've, as we've kind of discovered in the last year or so. Sure.

[00:24:25] Especially when it's, you know, uh, the 35th straight-to-video user-submitted, uh, IMDb plot synopsis of a Roy Scheider season, you know? Absolutely. So, uh, we're using letterbox from now on. But that is our very long preface to get into our thoughts on today's film. Uh, so Mike D, what are your overall thoughts on Back to the Future Part 2? But I guess before you get into that, were you a Back to the Future guy growing up? Did you enjoy the, uh, the Back to the Future films or anything like that?

[00:24:54] What's your relationship with, uh, the series of films? Yeah, I mean, for sure, Back to the Future seems just ubiquitous. I don't know how, like, it'd be weird to meet a person, like, an American person our age that isn't into Back to the Future, even though it's, like, nostalgia bait for our parents. It's not even, like, nostalgia bait for us, which is weird. Yeah. Um, I think it speaks to just how perfect the original Back to the Future movie is, that it's just like, you know, it's about generation meeting the previous generation,

[00:25:21] and it kind of, like, despite it being the 80s to the 50s, you can kind of transplant that to any, like, anybody can relate to it, I guess. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's, uh, so weird to think about, if you did the same movie now, you'd go back to the 80s, 90s, I think, actually. 30 years, yeah. If the exact same movie was made today, uh, which thankfully they haven't done, uh, it would be, if you, if you made it in 2025, you'd be traveling back to the year 1995. Right.

[00:25:50] Uh, and, which I guess, uh, wasn't there, there was a horror movie that did that kind of recently, wasn't there, that I'm blanking on with, uh, it was, um, that sounds vaguely familiar. Yeah. It was like a horror slasher movie that was kind of riffing. It might've had Kiernan Shipka in it or something. It did have Kiernan Shipka in it, yeah. Yeah. And it was like an Amazon Prime thing, and I watched it, and it was kind of fun. And I'm blanking on what it was, but it was definitely riffing on Back to the Future. I think it was specifically like 2024 to 1994 or something like that. Yeah. That was the time gap. Yeah.

[00:26:16] And so I think it's just weird to think about like how far the culture shifted between 55 and 85 because 95 and now feels basically the same. Um, you know, like. I don't know if that's true. Uh, like technology, like, yeah. But like how big that difference is from the fifties to the eighties is way less than the nineties to now. Um, anyway, the big, big Back to the Future movie, big fan, um, specifically the first one though. That's what I was going to ask you.

[00:26:43] You seem to be much more into the second one that is, is that the one that like you always watched or were always like putting on a granted the first, uh, you know, 20 years, 25 years of my exposure to Back to the Future is whatever it's on at that point on TNT right now. Yeah. Like it's one of those things I was never like, I guess, actively choosing to put on Back to the Future. Um, but I was always excited when I did come across it.

[00:27:08] Um, so, but, but all that to say the first one for sure is the one I rewatched the most, have rewatched the most. I enjoyed the most. I think the first one is perfect. Absolutely. Um, two is really good and three is like, whatever. Three's fine. I think, I think there is definitely, yeah, I think there's definitely like a decline just in general from one, two and three, but like two is also very good. It's just not as perfect to me as the first one.

[00:27:33] Um, especially on this rewatch where I noticed how much more, you know, obviously the whole shtick, the visual effect thing of like having to, you one have, uh, Michael J. Fox play multiple people play multiple characters and be like on screen at the same time. So like they're doing that camera trick. And I think it just by the nature of visual effects, aging and stuff, and it still looks really great, but it is like, okay, this is very obviously like whatever, you know,

[00:28:03] I don't know. It just like stands out now. I think it's very noticeable when they do it. Yeah. But I think it is still kind of a pretty great visual effects when you're watching it. And it is like Zemeckis is one of those filmmakers who I think it like, and I think part of the issue with like kind of his, the back half of his career. Uh, he's somebody who became very obsessed with like technological advancement, uh, and visual effects in movies. Uh, and I think that really starts with Roger Rabbit, which is one of those movies that's just like how the fuck they do this kind of thing. That's like kind of like there had been movies that blended live action animation before that,

[00:28:32] like Mary Poppins or whatever, but like not nearly to the degree that Roger Rabbit did, you know, where it was just like this fully animated world that Bob Hoskins is in, uh, or likewise a fully live action world that Roger Rabbit is in and they're interacting with everything. And so, so seamlessly, uh, in Roger Rabbit. Uh, and you definitely feel like he's still in that mode of like, but what if we did this crazy thing or reuse all this like archive footage in the first movie and unused footage in the first movie and had them interacting with each other in different ways. Uh, and I think for the most part, it really works in, in part two. Yeah.

[00:29:02] Yeah. I think, I think the, that part works when they're going back to a few back, back to the first movie, back to the past, back to the past. I think that part really works. It's really the future section to me where it's like, okay, we don't need that many flying cars on screen. You know, it's like a little bit like a, like prequels, George Lucas-y thing reaction to me or the like special edition, whatever, where they like added all the extra shit in the background of Star Wars. Um, and it's not, not nearly that level, but I start getting like that reaction sometimes

[00:29:31] where it's like the flood, you know, when we have all these flying cars and all this future stuff going on. Um, that is not the practical, like the hoverboard and like all that stuff looks awesome. And you could tell it's like a suspended on a cable thing, whatever visual effect instead of like a completely animated or whatever, however they would do that visual effect of flying cars. Um, you know, stuff like that. So, uh, that's all fun and good. And this movie is really good. I don't know. Like, I don't know why I'm sort of nitpicking it, but I kind of had that reaction this time

[00:30:01] when I was watching it, where I was like, I don't know, the first movie is so perfect and so good and so tight and so simple and straight ahead and great that it was just like, why, why they mess with it? Yeah. I don't know. It's weird, a weird reaction, but also it's back to the future too. It's great. Yeah. I mean that, that is kind of the reaction to it is I, I really, really love both part two and part three. I think they're both great, but the first movie is just like this perfect object that it's like, like, and I was kind of like thinking about the franchise as a whole and like the entire like back to the future thing.

[00:30:30] And it's, it's pretty remarkable that they haven't done anything with it really since, uh, like no movie since 1990. Uh, look, there have been like extensions of the, of the franchise in certain ways. There was a video game, uh, back in like 2010. Uh, that was like a telltale game thing that took place like six months later. Uh, there was the back to the future ride at universal. There was, uh, you know, there was a stage musical a couple of years ago, uh, that I think Bob Gill helped write. I think so. Yeah. Um, and so yeah, it's supposedly it's pretty good. I haven't seen that.

[00:30:59] Um, but yeah, there was a stage musical. There was an animated series around the time these movies came out too, or like after part three came out. Uh, so there have been like extensions, but there has never been any kind of like new back, a new attempt at like a back to the future part four and like that. Uh, and apparently it is because Robert Zemeckis owns the rights to it and he's just like flat out. Fuck that. No, we're not doing it. I was going to say it's got to be some kind of like behind the scenes hand is preventing this from happening.

[00:31:26] Cause you know, those executives are like, please let me make this move. Like, you know, I mean, it's interesting. We talked about that a little bit with like jaws and stuff in the shiter season where yes, there were the sequels and stuff, but like it's been long enough that it's actually shocking. There has not just been like an outright jaws remake, uh, yes. Outright back to the future remake. Um, so it makes sense that it's like, Oh, Zemeckis owns this. Yeah. And, uh, Bob Gale, I think was talking about it a while back. This might've been even like, just like last year because last year would have been the, uh, 40th anniversary of back to the future, I think.

[00:31:56] Um, and so last year they were talking about it and, uh, you know, he mentioned like, listen, we, I think if we had an idea for part four, maybe we'd want to do it, but we would never want to see anyone other than Michael J. Fox playing Marty McFly. That's definitely part of it. Yeah. You know, and also because of Michael J. Fox's current like health issues, you know, he's had Parkinson's since the mid nineties, uh, you know, he can't do it anymore. Right. He just physically can't do the role. So we're not going to do any kind of back to the future part four.

[00:32:25] Also, you know, Christopher Lloyd is pushing 90 years old, uh, as well. So that makes it difficult. Uh, and there were, he had a quote like recently where he was like, yeah, people are coming up to us all the time and being like, so when are you going to make back to the future part four? And we always did the same thing, which is fuck you. And that's awesome. And I appreciate that, you know, and I think it speaks to, uh, what an incredible movie back to the future is and what a stranglehold that has had on generations since that, like, even

[00:32:51] though there has not been any new movie, uh, for the last 36 years, it is still, you know, top of mind. Like people still, it's a still beloved movie that like everybody has seen, you know, even like, you know, new generations, like still reference back to the future and all that kind of stuff. It's just, it's, it's kind of a timeless movie, which is so weird because it's such a movie of its time too. It's, it's very much a 1985 movie. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even down to the most inconsequential reference to it, which was, uh, my new obsession that I can't stop watching.

[00:33:21] Uh, are you familiar with the YouTube? It's a radio thing. K-E-X-P. You ever like seen, they do, it's a public radio. They post like live performances on YouTube. Um, and they posted one for this weird French Canadian band called Angine de Poitrine. Um, and they make, uh, they, they play like insane, like microtonal math rock and they have weird paper mache costumes. And it is just the weirdest like resurgence of like faith in human creativity against like

[00:33:49] the AI upending apocalypse and stuff. Yeah. Um, and it's very weird. It's obviously, you know, microtonal, strange music. And, uh, the top comment was you aren't ready for this, but your kids are going to love it. And that is a YouTube comment in 2026 on an obscure, like radio live music YouTube channel. And it's a quote from, from this movie. Uh, and that's, that's the thing. Like that's it. I think of that all the time. Like that quote, that moment, that, that whole bit with the, the, you know, Enchantment Under the Sea dance.

[00:34:18] And I, for forever, I thought Earth Angel was from this movie. I didn't know that was a real song from the fifties, uh, until I like became a person and learned about culture. Yes. But I certainly prefer Marvin Berry's version of Earth Angel to the real one. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. The moment when, when they kiss and Marty stands back up and plays guitar in tune, you're like, Oh baby, the movie. Yes. You know? And I, and I do think, you know, I've, I've watched the original Back to the Future so many times and I've seen it, uh, you know, I've seen it a bunch.

[00:34:45] It was a movie that, uh, a few years ago, uh, it was my birthday movie. Like in 2020, we rented out the Roxy and, uh, showed Back to the Future for my birthday. Uh, and then two months later, I think maybe even one month later, uh, the Roxy was doing Centerfield cinema that year. Some movies at the ballpark. Right. And Back to the Future was one of those movies. And it's like, well, we're going to go see Back to the Future again. We get fucking gotta, it's great. And I do think there is maybe no more moment in any movie ever that is as satisfying as the moment where George McFly punches Biff.

[00:35:14] Uh, it's, it's so good every single time. Uh, and especially watching it with a crowd, like you just, there's, there's an electricity to it. Uh, it's great. Uh, yeah. So my, my background with Back to the Future is that the original movie is perfect. Uh, but I also really love two and three and all three were movies that were just like in constant rotation in my house. Uh, when I was a kid, these are very much, you know, we've talked about the mighty babysitter movies, uh, in the past, right. You're in, which are Terminator two, Twister and Jurassic park. Uh, and of those, I definitely saw all those movies when I was a kid.

[00:35:44] Uh, and Jurassic park was probably also one of those movies that was kind of just in constant rotation. Jaws was also one of those movies for me. Uh, but all three Back to the Future is we're among those movies as well. Uh, the original Star Wars trilogy, uh, as well too. But, uh, yeah, all three of them, the first one I definitely watched the most, like you said, it's, it's, it's the one it's, it's so, so good. Um, but I've always really loved part two and three. I think there are flaws in two and three. I think there are issues with, uh, these movies. Uh, and I was kind of like, I, I, I've always kind of gone back and forth on whether I like

[00:36:13] two or three more. Uh, I think this, I think this time around I came down on, I'm liking two more, but I, I like three a lot. Uh, I think partially because it is so different from the other two because it's like, Hey, it's a Western now, uh, which is, which is fun. That's so funny because my criticism of three is like, we've already done this. Interesting. Okay. And I, and I mean the same multiple actress playing multiple characters, it's just like, Oh, it's a slightly different version of Biff. Oh, it's a slightly different version. It's like, we, that's what two is. We've already done this thing.

[00:36:42] Um, yes, it is the Western for sure. And that the Western part of it is cool. But I, that's so funny that like your thing is like, Oh man, it's brand new. It's a Western. And I'm like, Oh, come on. Yeah. I mean, I, I also like, I love the Western setting. I like the, uh, the kind of updated score cause the score is different in three, but it has like a, you know, a Western kind of twang to it. It almost made me want to watch Silverado, like as soon as it finished. Yeah. Right. That's great. Also, Alan Silvestri's score across all three movies is one of the best movie scores ever. It's so, so good. Um, but yeah, I really love, uh, the doc Brown, Mary Steenburgen love story.

[00:37:12] I think Clara's great. Uh, and she's great in this, in that movie. Uh, and you know, I like, I like Griff. I like, or not Griff. He's in part two. I like mad dog, uh, Tannen. He's great. Uh, and I also like, I think two and three work best if you do watch them back to back. Uh, and you know, I think they both elevate each other essentially because there, there are setups in two that don't pay off until you watch part three. Uh, and I'm largely thinking of the Marty McFly, like, don't call me a chicken arc, uh,

[00:37:40] which is such a weird, that's always been my kind of like weird thing with these two sequels is that, uh, you know, and I'm not the first person to say this. I think other people have noted this as weird. Um, but it is just like, that's not a part of Marty's character at all in the first movie. No, like not even a little bit, but then in part two, they introduced this thing that like, if, if somebody calls Marty McFly a chicken, he like shuts down and it's just like, I'll do whatever you want. I'm, I'm not a chicken.

[00:38:06] Like I'll fight you or I'll, you know, I'll, I'll do this like illegal, you know, money laundering scheme with you needles or whatever. Uh, and so it, it, part two introduces that. Uh, and I think it feels weird when you just watch part two after having just watched part one, which doesn't have that. Um, but I think if you watch part three right after you get the payoff to that where like, you know, he doesn't, he evolves past it and like, doesn't, you know, he doesn't care if people call him a chicken anymore by the end of part three. Yeah.

[00:38:35] Uh, and so even though that arc is just like kind of thrown in there for part two, I think if you watch it like two and three back to back, it's like, okay, it feels more complete, I guess at least, you know, even though it's like randomly thrown in there. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny cause it happens earlier. I think at like the cafe eighties or something, it's like the first time it comes up where Griff calls him a chicken or something and he like can't refuses to back down. Um, and then they have like later on when he's at his house, uh, like old lady Lorraine

[00:39:01] is like, well, you know, Marty, he never could stand being called a chicken. And you're like, no, what? Since like, since when? Thank God we invented that chicken challenge machine. You know, it's like, I have to have a lot of dialogue to explain it. Maybe it's because of his actions in the first movie because he changed the timeline in certain ways. Uh, this, uh, changed a part of his character. Uh, but usually he's, but otherwise the time traveler is usually unchanged while the rest of the world changes around them. So that shouldn't happen. But I don't know. It's a, it's a, it's a weird thing that they throw in there.

[00:39:28] Uh, and I think it ultimately works if you view two and three as their own like separate thing beyond part one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it makes sense. I mean, it's like a good character, like, you know, uh, reason for drama to happen and action and stuff is like, he just can't, he can't, he can't back down from a challenge. Um, even though it's never been talked about before. Um, the other thing I felt uncomfortable with in three, and it makes sense now the Crispin

[00:39:54] Glover thing of it all, um, where Michael J Fox is playing Lurie, like, uh, Leah Thompson's husband now. And it's like, wait a second. I mean, that mostly feels like it makes sense for Michael J Fox to play that role. Uh, I think like to, to play Seamus, uh, you know, playing his own descendant. That would be George's side. Like it's gotta be. Right. Yeah. That's that, that is true. That is very true. Uh, yeah. So I think given the situation, I think it kind of makes sense for him to play that role.

[00:40:23] I think it's weird that Leah Thompson plays, uh, Oh yes, that's, that's the, that's the weird part is that it's them. Yes. Yeah. And that's because it's Maggie McFly, uh, who is not a Baines, right? She's not, you know, theoretically is not Lorraine's direct descendant. I would hope so. It is a, a weird thing that this movie does, uh, which I think it's just part. I think mostly that is just like, Oh, we don't have a space for Leah Thompson in this movie anywhere. We got to have her in here somewhere. Yeah.

[00:40:53] Yeah. They're barely in it together. Um, and it makes sense that like, we don't have Crispin Glover in theory that would be have be played like that role would be played by Crispin Glover. Um, and it's like undeniable to like a white hot chemistry, Leah Thompson and Michael J. Fox have together. Oh my God. Um, so like, sure. Why not finally let them be together. But it is, I do think in the first movie, every single person is, you know, I'm going to every single person in that movie deserved an Oscar. Every, every single person in back to the future is giving it an unbelievable performance.

[00:41:22] Uh, and Leah Thompson plays like horny teenage girl better than anyone in any movie ever. She's an unbelievable film. Yeah. It's insane. So anyway, yeah. Back to the future too. Pretty good. Is where we land on that? Yeah, no, I, I really like it. Uh, I think it's a great time. It's a lot more madcap, uh, than the first movie. Like it just feels like it's rushing through so much. Like it's, it's throwing a lot of plot at you. Um, because it, it is throwing a lot more time travel stuff in there. You're going through three, you're doing three different time periods in part two.

[00:41:50] Uh, as opposed to the first one we were just doing, you know, you start off in the eighties and you go back to the fifties. Uh, and then in the third one, you're mostly set in 1885. Uh, but this one, you start off in the eighties, but you're immediately in 2015, uh, which, you know, we're past now. Uh, and then, uh, you do 2015 and then you go back to 1985 again, but it's an alternate version of 1985 because of their actions in 2015. Uh, and the old man Biff travels back to 1955. So they have to go back to 1955 again, uh, and revisit the events of the first movie.

[00:42:20] Uh, and so I think because it, there's so much going on in it, it feels like very overstuffed. Um, but I think the strength of it is that, uh, it has a lot of fun with that. It has a lot of fun with those concepts. And also Christopher Lloyd is the best at delivering expositions. So it never feels like it's, it's weighing anything down. Like it just feels very breezy and quick and you can kind of just get moving with it. Yeah. And, and just like the direct, is it like everything about it, the direction of it all, which I think is really the end of the movie.

[00:42:48] The scene I'm thinking about is when, yeah, it's when they go back to the DeLorean and, and Doc Brown goes back, gets hit by lightning and goes back to the old West. Yes. Which is a great cliffhanger ending too. That's so much fun. Absolutely. But the, this, the moment right before that where they're both in the street and it's Doc Brown is running away from the camera as Marty is running towards the camera and then they switch and they're running in opposite directions up and down the street doing exposition. Like it's just like just explaining what's going to be happening and stuff, but they're

[00:43:18] just so, um, like it's so cinematic, you know, we're going up and up and down the foreground, background stuff. And then every other time it's, I love the runner of, um, between all three movies of Doc Brown building a model and then apologizing it for it not being to scale. Sorry. I didn't have a lot of time. Sorry. It's not a great model. And it's like a picture perfect. Like, yeah, it's the best thing you've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah. And that, that happening all the, and like using those devices to like spice up the kind

[00:43:43] of exposition scenes sort of referencing sort of like all the president's men in, in part, I think it's part three, actually. Now I'm thinking about it when they look up Doc Brown's like history. Am I in the history books? And they're like, like library of the town and this like towering ceiling and like all this stuff. It's like so funny. Yes. Zemeckis, good director. Hot take here. You know, also real, real good. And then, and his streak in the eighties is like pretty unparalleled, but just so many great movies kind of in that run. Yeah. Um, but yeah, Elijah Woods in this movie.

[00:44:13] Oh, right. Yeah. The reason we're talking about back to the future part two today is because Elijah Wood is in it playing video game boy in cafe eighties very early in the movie. It's a, when Marty has a, when Marty and doc have traveled 2015 doc has, uh, done his taken off his old age makeup, uh, which is a very funny, uh, bit to be like, we don't want Christopher Lloyd in his old age makeup, the entire movie. Yeah. Yeah. Have him, uh, have him like he looked in the fifties. Um, and so, uh, he's done that.

[00:44:41] And Marty has been sent in the cafe eighties to intercept, uh, Griff, uh, and tell him to set, to tell him no to whatever it is that he's posing as his own son, uh, to tell Griff no, so that, uh, his son won't get arrested and then his daughter won't get arrested and his family won't like spiral into chaos, uh, from that point forward. Uh, and so he goes to cafe eighties and he's sitting there and, uh, there's a video screen of Michael Jackson, uh, which sort of predates, like it predicts like AI in a weird way or like deep fakes or whatever.

[00:45:10] That's, that's part of the fun of back to the future part two now is, uh, when you watch the future stuff and it's like, okay, we don't have flying cars yet, but they did get this right, you know, or that kind of thing, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I was like this max headroom looking ass like thing, but like, yeah, it's, it's basically that. And like the, what's, is this any different from when you're, you go to a restaurant and the waiter just like hands you an iPad and you like do it all yourself. You know? Yeah, exactly. It's so weird. And this is just a TV on like a hook that swings over to you. It is like your virtual waiter and you're like, Oh, what the fuck? You were close.

[00:45:39] So that gets basically got it. Yeah. And he gets a deep fake Michael Jackson. He gets a deep fake Ronald Reagan. Uh, and he gets to order from there. Uh, and so, yeah, it's a, a 1980s nostalgia cafe in the middle of 2015, which is a very fun concept to like look ahead to the future and then look to what the future thinks the eighties are going to be like. Yes. You know, like what the present day is that's, that's very fun. And, um, but yeah, while he's there, uh, you see these two kids, uh, who get this video game working wild gunman and, uh, the kids, uh, don't know how to play it.

[00:46:08] And so Marty, Marty comes up and say, Hey kid, I'm a crack shot at this. And he, you know, plays the game. And, uh, then the two kids go, you mean you have to use your hands? That's like a baby's toy. And then Elijah would kind of gives like a, uh, shakes his head. Like, come on, man. And, and, and they walk away and, uh, that's it. That's Elijah woods role in the movie. Yep. It's some of the, um, does Elijah would have a line. Does he say that line or is it the other kid? Cause I can't really tell it cause they're kind of like at the same time. Yeah. They're combined.

[00:46:37] So he's the one who says, uh, I got it working. Right. You know, and then, uh, when he says, you mean you have to use your hands. Right. And the other kid says that's like a baby's toy. Um, but you don't actually, like, you don't see Elijah would say that because of the cameras on Marty when he says that. Yes. His voice, like that's, it's between the two of them. So it's split between the two of them. Yes. Okay. But I was going to say, you know, um, more consequential, uh, cause he's got a line delivery unlike Nicholas Cage in, uh, fast times at El Royale. What the hell?

[00:47:07] Fast times at Ridgemont high. Now there's a movie we want to see. Exactly. Who, uh, and he doesn't, he doesn't have lines in that movie. Um, that's right. Yeah. So he's got one up on Nicholas Cage, uh, already. Yeah, exactly. Um, but yeah, it's funny. And then like that, the fact that Marty's good at that game comes back in part three cause he can shoot the Colts at the, like he could do the thing. Uh, she's like, what a weird setup and payoff to have that. He's good at this arcade game. Yeah.

[00:47:35] Well, it's also that part two also sets up, uh, him seeing the scene from fistful of dollars, uh, where he has the, uh, where he sees Clint Eastwood with like the bulletproof vest, like kind of made a metal thing, uh, which he does the same trick in part three. Um, but if you're just watching part three solo, it's like, oh wow, good idea, Marty. But like in part two, you see, oh, he saw the scene in that movie where it sets that up too. I forgot about that. You're right. Yeah. So yeah. And I mean, this is sort of what I was talking about a little bit with like culture being frozen.

[00:48:02] Like we still today have 1950s nostalgia, um, diners. Like we don't have 80, obviously we don't have eighties diners, but you know what I'm talking about? Like sure. If you went back in time now, it's the same is all I'm talking about. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah. Johnny Rockets is a, is a 1950s like kind of diner chain. Right. And that's like their whole thing. Um, there are eighties nostalgia, maybe not like, maybe not like dedicated places, but

[00:48:30] there's a lot of like eighties nostalgia out there, like just in general. Uh, and even like, it's interesting just seeing nostalgia kind of change from decade to decade. Recently there was a emo night at, uh, the Wilma here in Missoula, which is like a nostalgia night for all of like the late nineties, early two thousands emo bands. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and then later this month they're doing a two thousands night, like specifically just like, you know, the songs of now 25 years ago, that kind of thing. Uh, which is interesting to see, like, because nineties night for a very long time was like the big thing, like, or, you know, whatever.

[00:49:00] Uh, and so, yeah, I can't think of any like dedicated eighties nostalgia places. Um, but I feel like they must be out there in some capacity. Um, but yeah. What did you think of Elijah Wood in this movie? Mike? Um, I mean, I, well, what could you think? It's, it's fun. My friend, um, when it, that I was watching with, when that scene happened, he was like, I'd recognize those eyes anywhere.

[00:49:26] And it's like, yeah, I think that's really the, obviously the big standout visual thing about Elijah Wood is his big baby blues. Um, and, uh, they're for sure on display here. You know, he's got them there. He's a little kid that he's got his one line and you're like, wow, what a kid. You know, what a guy it's, it's a, it's a toy for babies. Absolutely. Uh, and this might be how a few of the next ones go, uh, is like, oh, Elijah Wood has a very small role in this movie that we're talking about or whatever.

[00:49:54] Uh, you know, Elijah Wood being in back to the future two is a great excuse for us to just talk about back to the future two, you know, correct. Yeah. Uh, because yeah, there's not much to his performance beyond just this, you know, these two lines that he has. Um, but you know, I, I, I feel like I've always known that Elijah Wood was in back to the future two. It was one of those things that like, and granted, maybe it's just because I saw this movie a lot of times when I was growing up. Uh, I certainly watched the back to the futures more often than I watched the Lord of the rings movies.

[00:50:22] If that, uh, if that means anything for what kind of kid I was, you know? Yeah. Yeah. That's probably true just on it for me also just on a, like average per TNT screenings, you know, like, sure. I mean, the, it helps that each back to the future movie is two hours shorter than the each Lord of the rings movie basically. Yeah. True. Yeah. So there is that. Um, but, uh, yeah, no, I, like I watched a lot of the rings movies when they were in theaters when I was a kid and I liked them.

[00:50:50] Uh, you know, I was, I was into them and I was very excited when return of the king won best picture at the Oscars. That was the first Oscars I ever watched. Uh, and so we'll talk about that, you know, a few months down the line when we get to the Lord of the rings movies and all that, all that stuff. Um, but I, I knew who Elijah Wood was because of the Lord of the rings movies. Uh, and then at some point after that, uh, you know, I was probably rewatching the back to the futures for the 80th time, whatever, and then realized that, uh, you know, Hey, that kid is Frodo, you know? Yeah. That's the Kung Fu priest. Yeah. Right. Well, yeah.

[00:51:20] In my, in between my watch of the Lord of the rings and back to the futures, I was also rewatching Dracula two and three, uh, over and over again, like everybody else was, I'm sure. Yes. Uh, and so normally around this time, like I would ask, how does this fit into the Elijah Wood roles that we've seen so far? But this is episode one of this season of the podcast. Uh, so how do you think this, uh, reflects the career of Elijah Wood going forward?

[00:51:46] Um, well, I think it's, that's a psychotic thing to ask him at a one line five second, uh, moment. Yeah. Um, I mean, I think it's one of those things where he stands out. He's interested, like he's interesting to look at from an interesting, from a young age, like, you know, that's just speaks to that creep in the hotel lobby being like you, we don't know that he was a creep. I don't know why I'm deciding that he's a creep. I mean, when you hear that story, it sounds a little creepy, but like they were at like an acting convention or whatever.

[00:52:15] And it was like, there's a bunch of managers there looking for kids to be in music videos and stuff. Exactly. That's what it was. No, I always just think of, um, those creeps at malls that are like, Hey, 16 year old girl, you want a modeling contract? Like, that's what, like, that's the only context I have for that interaction. Um, yeah. Yeah. So this fucking weirdo in the hotel lobby. No, no, but I think that, uh, it's, you know, he stands out. He's got big blue eyes. He's got the black hair.

[00:52:44] Uh, and he, I guess can deliver a lot of dialogue convincingly. One single line of dialogue convincingly. Um, so it's, it's, it's only up from here, you know? Yeah. I mean, uh, you know, I will say, you know, I've watched the back to the future movies many, many times. And the first one is the one that has most of the memorable lines of dialogue or the most memorable, like, you know, character moments, bits, all that kind of stuff.

[00:53:10] Uh, but there is a lot of, there are a lot of moments that I quote regularly from back to the future part two and part three. Uh, and his line is one of them. The, uh, you mean you have to use your hands. That's like a baby's toy. Uh, that is a line that, uh, you know, I've gone back too many times over the, over the years. It's in the Mike Smith rotation. Exactly. Yes. Uh, also, and one of them, like I mentioned before is McFly, you Bojo, those boards don't work on water unless you've got power.

[00:53:39] Um, yeah, back to future two. Great. Uh, big fan. Yeah. I think for me, the quotes are from one. Yeah. That are in my brain, but like the visual stuff, like the hoverboard. Like the Nikes, like the, I don't know, the Biff's scary casino hotel, you know, like we haven't even, we haven't even talked about that. Uh, sports almanac of it all. Like it's the, it's the stuff from two that I remember, but it's the lines, like the dialogue from one that I remember.

[00:54:08] Fair enough. Uh, there's also one other line of dialogue I do want to highlight because it is maybe my favorite, uh, delivered line in this movie, uh, which is from Biff when a old man Biff is in his car when he shows, uh, like he's arguing with his mechanic and he's like yelling at him from across the street. He's like, all right, whatever. And he gets there and he gets to his car and old man Biff is sitting in the driver's seat and says something. And he has, his only reaction is get the hell out of my car old man. It's the most human Biff is in all three movies.

[00:54:37] It's, it's so funny. It's so good. Uh, yeah. I, and I do love Biff as this like time traveling agent of chaos who is, uh, just, uh, I also, when I did this rewatch, I also watched, uh, so I have, uh, the back to the future trilogy on Blu-ray. Uh, it was one of the first Blu-ray sets I ever really got. It was the 25th anniversary collection. Uh, so this is the collection, uh, the Blu-ray collection that came out back in 2010. Uh, and it's like one of my first like kind of Blu-ray collections, uh, and still one of my prize possessions. It's, it's great.

[00:55:06] And it has a ton of special features, like a lot of good behind the scenes, uh, our archive stuff. And I, I have watched that, but a very long time ago, but on the back to the future three disc, one of the special features is back to the future, the ride, which, uh, which I've never gotten to go on. Like I, but by the time I went to universal studios, that ride had already closed down, uh, and was replaced by the Simpsons ride. Uh, and so, which, you know, I was excited for, I'm a huge Simpsons guy as well, but, uh, but I never got to go on back to the future of the ride.

[00:55:32] So I watched it years ago, uh, to experience the ride just via my TV. Uh, and I watched it again this past weekend, uh, just because I was, I had just finished three and I was like, Hey, you know what? I'm going to check out the ride again and see how that goes. And so you can watch like all of the, uh, like the line stuff, like all the videos that play while you're waiting in line and all that kind of stuff. Uh, and all the pre-show leading up to the ride. Uh, but the plot of the ride is that 1955 Biff has somehow traveled through time, uh,

[00:55:59] and made it to like Doc Brown's DeLorean testing center, uh, where you and like seven other passengers are testing out the eight person time machine that he's invented. Amazing. And Biff steals the DeLorean and you have to chase him down through the time stream. Uh, and you end up in 2015 and you end up in, uh, uh, 1955, I think. Uh, and then you also, or I think alternate 85 to go into, and then you also end up going into, uh, the dinosaurs, like the, the prehistoric era and the ice age. Uh, and you have to face off against a tyrannosaurus and a volcano and then the ride ends.

[00:56:29] Um, but I do love how, uh, like between all three movies, there is this like sort of cosmic balance that happens between the McFlies and the tannins. Like it is just this, like Capulets and Montagues, like they will always be fighting forevermore, uh, in every generation they are constantly at odds with each other. Uh, and I love that just like that sort of insanity to it. And I also love that, like, despite kind of how crazy the time travel stuff can get into in three, all of the action always stays in Hill Valley.

[00:56:57] Uh, they never go anywhere else besides that, you know, this fictional town in California. Uh, and so you're also seeing in addition to like, you know, the ancestors and the descendants of the McFlies and the tannins and all that stuff, you're also seeing how the town evolves, uh, over the course of these different time periods. And I always think that's really fun. That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. I like the, um, the like same thing, like, uh, there's always a Strickland, like, you know, he's the marshal, he's the principal in the 50s, he's the principal in the 80s.

[00:57:26] Uh, I forget where he is in the, in the future, if he's in the future, but, um, I don't think you see him in 2015. Um, you do see him in the alternate 85 where he's, uh, you know, in a dystopian, uh, you know, he's, he's in his own like precinct 13. Yeah. He's in his own Mad Max world. That's a, that's happening there. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so that's fun, but I do think it's funny that like the ultimate, like good resolution,

[00:57:50] uh, you know, we've corrected the timeline is the alternate 85 where Biff's like the dumb bozo doing the wax on the car. That's hilarious to me that that's the correct quote unquote universally correct one. Um, yeah, technically the correct timeline. And is the one that the movie starts off with, uh, which is, you know, where, where Marty's a pretty like, you know, fun kid, but his parents are kind of dweebs, uh, and like, don't really love each other that much. And Biff's an asshole and all that kind of stuff.

[00:58:18] And so the ending is like, Oh, Marty has like changed the timeline a little bit, but it benefits him in every single way. Yeah. And so this is the good ending. This is the good ending. His brother no longer works at McDonald's. Yes. That stuff. Yes. It's, it's a real, uh, Reagan eighties kind of ending, you know, that's sort of the thing. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and yeah, I feel, so I have a memory of being on back to the future, the ride, and I was just looking it up. It looks like it closed in 07 in Florida.

[00:58:47] Um, so I think I did go on that. I feel I for sure went there. Uh, my parents lived in Orlando. So, or my parents, my grandparents lived in Orlando. Um, so we went down there pretty frequently, um, when I was a kid. So I, I feel like I did ride that. Cause and the whole time I kept thinking like while watching these movies, I was like, wasn't there like a universal ride or something? Like it just was coming back to me. Um, yeah. So I'm glad that that footage exists though. You can watch the whole thing. Yeah. It's a, it's a special feature on the Blu-ray.

[00:59:16] It's a, it's like 30 minutes. Like it's genuinely like you can watch all of the line footage. Some of it is just like interstitials of just watching like the, like just stuff kind of going back and forth and just watching like video cam footage of like people working in Doc Brown's laboratory, uh, or whatever. So you can skip that stuff if you want to. Um, but it's, but, uh, it's pretty neat. Yeah. Um, but yeah, back to the future part two, the 2015 section, uh, I think is a lot of fun. Uh, this is also where, uh, Jennifer gets the most to do. Uh, Elizabeth Hsu gets to play around.

[00:59:46] Like she gets stuck in her house, uh, after she's been knocked out, the police take her, uh, and bring her back to, uh, the McFly home. Uh, and so she gets to see what her house looks like and you get to see the rest of the, the future of the McFly family, uh, and get introduced to the idea that, uh, oh, things didn't work out as well for Marty as expected because, uh, of this one incident 30 years ago, uh, where he got into a race with needles. Uh, I don't think they say it's needles at the time, but like, you know, you find out later that it's needles or needles get introduced later.

[01:00:14] Uh, and it's like a drag race and he gets hit, he gets hit, hit by a Rolls Royce, uh, and, you know, fucks up his hand and like, can't play guitar anymore and has to take a different trajectory in life. Uh, and so she's learning about all of this, uh, in, in that section. Uh, and then all that gets paid off in part three. Yeah. I think it's another one of those moments where there's like, they're really prescient glimpse in the future. Like, oh, you're almost correct. You know, kind of thing like the, the deep fake Michael Jackson stuff or whatever. Sure. Yeah.

[01:00:42] Where, uh, they're in the house and it's the, the kid, I forget his name, Marty's son. Uh, I think Marty jr. I think, I think it's Marty jr. Yeah, you're right. And he comes in and he's like TV on, I want cops. I want the weather channel. I want blah. And he puts like five or six TV channels on it once. And it sits down in front of all of it. Um, and I was like, holy shit, this is having Twitch. Yeah. This is Twitch open while you're watching Netflix and scrolling TikTok. Like this is the thing. Like you did it like, holy shit. Yep. And it's 1989. 1989. Like that's crazy.

[01:01:12] And on the flip side, there's a fax machine in every room of the house. Yeah. That's so funny. Like you were so close. Basically the internet, you got the internet in every room. You did it like. Yeah. There's that. There's the, the hydrated food. Um, like they bring home, they bring home like a pizza hut like thing and it's this tiny thing in foil, but they put it in this, like, you know, the hydrator microwave thing and it becomes a full size pizza, uh, which is very fun. There's a giant bowl of fruit that comes down from the, you know, all of that stuff. Um, but yeah.

[01:01:41] And you get, uh, Jennifer kind of seeing her older self, uh, which is very funny. Especially Michael J. Fox playing his older self and his son and his daughter. Uh, and again, I think he's actually doing a pretty good job in all those roles. And like, I, I think, I don't think I realized it was Michael J. Fox as the daughter for like a long time growing up. Right. Like I, I feel like it took me several viewings of back to feature part two to realize that he was playing the daughter. Yeah. Yeah. I like that part that, that, that that's like such a fun one, you know, impressive. He gets to do multiple roles kind of thing and they're all sort of on screen at

[01:02:10] the same time. Um, it's, it's a real like pre nutty professor to the clumps we had back to future part two. Exactly. Um, but also like, like, the McFly's are eternal. You know, it's like, Oh, there's always a Marty McFly or like, you know, it might as well be Michael J. Fox for all of them. Yes, absolutely. Could have been an opportunity to use Elizabeth Shumore, but alas, we, we had Michael J. Fox in there. Yeah. Um, but, uh, yeah. And so you have this whole 2015 section, uh, and during this section, that is when, uh,

[01:02:37] old man Biff sees the, uh, the DeLorean, which he remembers from the end of the first movie, uh, which, uh, actually we should speak about that too, because the, the end of the first movie has the scene where, you know, everything is, is good. Jennifer shows up. Marty has his new car and they're about to go out to the lake. And then Doc Brown shows up in the DeLorean and he comes back. It's like, I need fuel. And they, you know, all of that. And they have this whole scene at the end of back to the future part one. And they show the exact same scene at the beginning of back to the future part two, except it's

[01:03:05] not the same scene because it's not the same Jennifer. So they had to reshoot the entire thing. Holy shit. I didn't even put that together. Yeah. Uh, yeah. And that is, uh, I, I watched that years ago, but there is a, one of the special features on, I think the part two disc is like a side by side of those two scenes. Uh, so you can see kind of how exact they are. Uh, because there are like some like very small differences just because like that's the nature of human performance is like how they have to be. Um, but yeah, it's a different, uh, actress playing Jennifer. So they had to reshoot the entire scene.

[01:03:35] Uh, and then also add a couple of other things in there to kind of show you Biff's perspective, like while you're seeing that, so you can set up the fact that he remembers the DeLorean flying away. Yeah. Yeah. That's the, that obviously is the big change is like, then they have Biff step out of the house and witness this. But I did notice. Yeah. I did notice that because, uh, I think Michael J Fox does look noticeably older. He does. Yeah. He's four years older. Yeah. Which is crazy. Cause it's only four years. Uh, but he does look a lot older. He's a baby. He's an infant in the first one.

[01:04:04] Um, and then the second one, uh, he's a man. Um, yeah. And all three movies do take place in the span of like a week, you know, they're all happening like, you know, I mean, maybe like in terms of like how much time you spend in time periods, like, you know, two, maybe two weeks, but like the amount of time, like Marty travels back to like, they always go back to the same point on like October 26, 1985 or whatever. So it's like very little has happened. Like a lot has happened in a very short amount of time in these three movies. Right. Right.

[01:04:32] And I mean, I love that's the like kind of line at the end of the movie when Jennifer shows up at the first one and she's like, yeah, it's like you haven't seen me in a week. And he's like, baby, I have or whatever he says. Yeah. Uh, I did real, I did like, you know, obviously the, where we're going, we don't need roads thing at the end of the first one. And then in the third one, when they're trying to figure out, oh no, it's the end of the second one. Actually. Where is it? Is it the beginning of the third one? It's when he goes back to the old West. Uh, and he's like at the drive-in theater and, and he's like, that's three. That's part of the beginning of three. Yeah.

[01:05:01] Uh, and doc Brown is like, remember where you're going. There are no roads because he's going back to the old West. And I was like, nice. I like that. That was a good one. There's a lot of fun callbacks in these movies and you know, some of it, you know, it's, it's a weird, like this sort of predates the, the idea of like fan service or whatever. And I feel like if they were, you know, in a, in a horrible alternate future where they made a back to the future part four at some point in the last like couple of years and it was like a legacy sequel to back to the future.

[01:05:28] Uh, and you had like Marty dealing with his son who's traveling back in time or whatever. I, you know, there's a version where like somebody says something like, well, we're going, we don't need roads. And the entire audience groans like, like it just feels like, uh, now it would feel forced, but because it's like happening like within a four year span of back to the future one, two and three, like all coming out at the same time. It's like, yeah, no, this, these all just kind of like feel like they're kind of just all part of one larger thing, I guess. Yeah.

[01:05:54] Cause you know, it'd be really cool if like in like the seventh alien movie, they say, keep your hands off her bitch. Everyone's going to love it. Everyone's going to go crazy. Uh, it's still so funny that that happened to alien Romulus. And then a year later, avatar three did the same thing, calling back to aliens, a different franchise, but it was James Cameron directing Sigourney Weaver and her having a similar line. And everybody was like, hell yeah, we're in this room.

[01:06:24] It's so funny. It's all about execution. It's all about how you do it, you know? Exactly. But yeah, so Biff, uh, discovers, sees the flying, uh, DeLorean and he remembers it from 1985, uh, old man Biff. And so he takes the sports almanac, uh, that Marty was planning to use to, uh, play some bets. Stole his idea. Yeah. Stole my idea. Uh, and yeah, it goes back to 1955, uh, and gives his younger self the sports almanac unbeknownst to Marty and Doc.

[01:06:51] So when they travel back to 1985, uh, it is an alternate version of the 1985 that they know. Uh, and it's a version of that present, uh, in which Biff has become this Donald Trump esque figure. Uh, and very specifically, very specifically modeled after Donald Trump in the eighties. Like, like Bob Gale has like said, that's exactly what they were drawing from. It's just like kind of building on the image of like this idiot blowhard in a giant tower kind of thing.

[01:07:19] Uh, and you know, he has the comb over and everything like it's, it's very heavily modeled after Donald Trump, uh, which is crazy that, uh, we're in the mess we're in right now. You know, did we learn nothing from back to the future part two, you know? Clearly not. Nobody learned anything from any piece of media ever. Um, yes. Um, but for a very long time, like Donald Trump was just like the cartoonish idea of a rich man kind of thing. Right. That was, that was like a Mulaney standup bit in like 2014 or something, like years before Donald Trump became president.

[01:07:48] He was like Donald Trump's idea of a rich man is like what a homeless man thinks a rich man is. When my ideal comes through, I have a solid gold tower with my name on it. Like that kind of thing. Yeah. Uh, and that was a Mulaney bit from like 2008 or something like that was a long time ago. But like at this point he was just like, uh, you know, the image of Donald Trump was just like an insanely rich man and kind of an asshole.

[01:08:16] Uh, and you know, that was the thing in back to the future too. Also gremlins too has a lot of Donald Trump stuff in it, like at the, which was released a year after back to the future part two. So clearly like he was, you know, big in the media, people knew who he was and people could draw from him as like, Oh, a rich asshole is in my movie. Yeah. He's, he's like Donald Trump. That's the thing. Somehow Scrooge McDuck based on Donald Trump. Right. You know, just like that.

[01:08:43] So, uh, and, and I do think, uh, Tom Wilson in this movie and all versions of Biff fucking killing it. He's great. Yeah. Yeah. Um, he, he's fantastic. And so, yeah, they end up in this alternate 85, uh, and he ends up in like Biff's Trump tower version. Uh, and it's this horrible vision of the present in which, uh, George McFly has died and Lorraine has remarried, uh, Biff, uh, to give her, to give her kids a better future. Uh, just to like, you know, use his money. Uh, and all of the kids are like fuck ups in different ways.

[01:09:12] And Marty's supposed to be away to boarding school. And like the older brother has been like arrested and, uh, the daughter has like massive credit card debt and all of this stuff. Uh, also Biff, Biff cronies from the fifties are still his cronies now. So Billy Zane's in the, in the 85 version too. Love that for him. Good for him. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, so yeah, uh, the alternate 85, uh, a horrendous nightmare world, uh, from which we cannot awake. No, correct. Yeah. We've been stuck in it ever since. Um, basically. And, uh, I forget the, is, is he the guy who's Biff? Tom Wilson.

[01:09:42] Is that what you said his name was? Tom Wilson. Yes. Tom Wilson. Is he the guy has the like card? Have you ever seen those? Is he, it's like, yes, that's him. Yes. I am Biff. Yes. Like he's got the, like all the, all the questions pre-answered. Yes. He has, he has like a card that's like, yes, I was Biff Tannen. Yes. It was fun to work with Marty McFly or Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd or whatever, like all the frequently asked fan questions or whatever. Uh, and he's also like a kind of like comedian and like tours sometimes. Uh, and he had a song that went viral like a few years ago. That was like a song that was basically him answering those questions.

[01:10:11] Uh, just about like being recognized for one role, uh, in your entire career and all that kind of stuff. Uh, he's also in freaks and geeks. He's the football coach and freaks and geeks. Uh, and he is also Bo Burnham's dad on Zach stone is going to be famous. Oh my God. I forgot about that. Yes. Uh, which I remember when Zach stone premiered, like I was losing my mind, like Biff's in this. Uh, yeah, it's great. Um, but yeah, he's, he's phenomenal in these two movie in, in all three movies really. But, uh, he gets a lot more to do in two and three.

[01:10:40] Uh, whereas in the first one, he's just playing Biff. Uh, and he's just like, you know, the asshole, like rapist. A rapist. Yeah. That's the worst part, you know, you know, kind of thing, which is why, but it's why it's so satisfying when George fucking punches him at the end, you know, it's so good here. He gets to play a future Biff. He gets to play alternate timeline, Donald Trump Biff. He gets to play fifties Biff. Uh, and then in the third one, he gets to play mad dog Tannen, uh, which is a great, oh, and he gets to play Griff in this movie as well. Yes. Uh, who, who is like Biff on steroids? Uh, since when did you become the physical type?

[01:11:10] Uh, yeah, yeah. He's like a robot Biff. I think there is like a cyborg element to him, right? Yeah. In that. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah. Um, but anyway, in the alternate timeline, you do eventually learn that, uh, Biff had George McFly killed, uh, when Marty goes to confront him and he tries to kill Marty. Uh, and then Marty's able to, uh, figure out where, where in the timeline he gave himself the book. Uh, and of course it's exactly back where we started in the, in the last movie, uh, the enchantment under the sea dance.

[01:11:40] Yes. Yeah. I love doc Brown's line where it's like, it could be that that moment in time is like a, a nexus point for the entire universe. So like all the, all he goes on this whole thing. On the other hand, it could just be an amazing coincidence. Uh, good shit. Good, good stuff. Great, great stuff. Uh, and so they go back to 1955 and they have to kind of revisit the events of the first movie, uh, but from different perspectives. Uh, so you're getting more of this point of view as well. You're seeing like kind of his home life with, uh, you know, that he's like, it looks like this old lady lives here and it's, it, he lives at his

[01:12:10] grandma's house. All of that stuff. You see Biff, uh, you know, getting his truck fixed after the manure incident in part one, uh, which I love the fact that, uh, there's a newer thing that happens in all three movies. That's always good. It's a good bit. It's a, it's a good bit every single time. And then, yeah, you're seeing the other events of 1955, uh, from the first movie's perspective and you're seeing great, you know, just like wild visual effects stuff that's happening here. This is where like the movie like really shows off that element of it. Yeah. Uh, where you are like before this, you had a lot of scenes of like, wow, there's three

[01:12:40] Michael J. Fox is here in one scene. That's crazy. Um, but here you're like seeing them interact with footage from the first movie. Uh, and that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I think it is much more, uh, seamless somehow, uh, for those sections of the movie, like the stuff it's in the, the beginning when they're in the cafe eighties and it's Marty jr. And he's, they're like, get, they both get thrown over the counter by Griff and they're

[01:13:07] like past the hat to each other or he's like asleep and he takes the hat off his own head. And I was like, Oh, this doesn't look like, obviously it's impressive. Cause it's like, that was finally perfected last year in sinners, you know, like it took this long to get there. Um, uh, but here it is. And it like, it it's whatever. Um, I guess it's, I guess it's noticeable is what I'm saying. Like, it's not seamless and I don't know how it ever, I wouldn't like, that's an insane expectation. But, um, the other stuff where they're in the movie from the back in the first movie,

[01:13:36] that shit is seamless. And it's like, that's really stands out to me. Yeah. There's this great moment where, uh, Marty is like sneaking past the car where other Marty and his mom are sitting in and she's like kind of coming onto him, uh, from the first movie. And he's, and you know, he's like kind of responding to what they're saying in the car. Uh, where she, you know, she, they have like, Oh, anybody's anybody drinks. Don't be a square. You're just like my mother. Uh, and then you see like a little bit of dialogue that you didn't see from the first

[01:14:03] movie because it cut away and it's just like archive footage from it. But she's like, Oh, when I have a kid, I'm gonna let them do whatever they want. And Michael J Fox says something like, I'd like to get that in writing. Uh, and then you see current Michael J Fox, like the new one in part two, like under the car being like, yeah, me too, man. Right. You know, it's crazy. Yeah. It's wild. And it is just like, you're seeing it from the perspective of like outside the car window. So it's like the archive footage shrunk down just in the window. Uh, all that it's, it's pretty crazy. It's wild to see. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:14:33] It's, it's a, it's a, uh, real magic trick that they pull that off. And then the music performance, the Johnny B good. We're now we're in the wings of the stage watching that with the, the Biff bozos or whatever. Uh, like the others across the stage and he's crawling up on the lighting rigs and like all we're, you know, we're going all around the archival footage, but from how'd they do that? Like different angles. Like how's that possible? Yes. And then Michael J Fox, like coming out of the, uh, of the gym and the door hitting the

[01:15:02] other Michael J Fox and knocking him out. Uh, all that. Uh, there's also the scene where doc Brown gets to meet himself or talks to himself. Uh, right. Which is very cool. And that's like, you can tell like there's, Oh, there's a lamppost in the middle of this shot. Right. So it kind of like, it's an easy, like marking point to being like, okay, I can shoot this and I can shoot this and that's, that's fine. Don't cross these things. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um, but then you have like the scene with the Biff and old man Biff in the car and there's a similar thing where like, you have like the kind of dividing in dividing line in the window of the car, like the windshield, the front of the windshield.

[01:15:32] Yeah. Yeah. And so there's like clear, okay, here's, here's young Biff. Here's old Biff. But then there's a moment where they toss the sports almanac to the other side and it's just, you know, uh, there's a lot of like showing off in the technology in the, in this movie, which Robert Zemeckis loves to do. For sure. For sure. Um, that's like, it's like when they, when smoke and stack past the cigarettes back and forth and you're like, fuck dude, like how'd they do that? You're like, okay, Ryan Googler, my bad. Yeah. Yes. Uh, yeah, this, uh, there, there's been great examples of that. I'm not going to say sinners perfected it. I mean, as sinners did, there's an amazing job with it. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:16:01] But there's a lot of other movies that do a really good job with it too. That social network also a good one where there's two army hammers, which is unfortunate that's a hammer, but yeah. Same. Yeah. I'm glad we were on the same page today. Yeah. Unfortunate, but still it's, it's a very impressive effect when, when you see it there. Yeah. And so you have this whole sequence and the eventually it leads into this big chase scene where, uh, they're trying to get the sports almanac from Biff. Uh, he's in his car, Marty's chasing him down with the hoverboard. And, uh, eventually like Biff is like, you know, speed demon running down the road, like, you know, fire in his eyes, he's going to kill Marty McFly. Yeah.

[01:16:31] Like he's going to grind them up against the wall in the tunnel. Like he's going to kill this kid. Absolutely. And then eventually doc Brown's able to save him with a flying DeLorean and the get out of there and you don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't starts playing and it's the best every single time. That is my, I think my favorite deployment of the theme might be at the end of three actually, because they don't play the theme for a long time. Um, because most of three is like kind of the alternate, like kind of Western version of the theme. Uh, and they don't play it really, they play it a little bit at the beginning.

[01:16:59] Cause like you're watching the end of part two, but then at the end of three, uh, when they're doing the train heist thing, when they're the trains going, when once doc, I think it gets deployed. Once doc Brown gets in the hoverboard and saves Clara, that's when you hear like, and they fly off and like, they fly off into the ravine, but on the hoverboards, they're safe. And it's, it's great. Big fan. It's awesome. I think it's also very funny that much like the end of three where it's like, Oh, it's actually the like timeline that's corrected in favor of the McFly's. That's the good one.

[01:17:28] Like, you know, and we're just, and then we're all happy. Um, and then the time, the, the DeLorean gets demolished by the train and it's like, it's all over. It's where time travel is too dangerous for anyone to be in part, have this technology. Uh, and then bursting through the universe is doc Brown and his steam train time machine with a lady from the old West as he vanishes off into the, like the timescape adventures. You're like, two new children that shouldn't exist. Yeah. You're like, wait a second. Hold on.

[01:17:57] You're just going to go fuck up the future somewhere else. I don't understand. Yeah. Well, you know, he will, uh, he'll be responsible with it. He's not. Yeah. There's anything we know about doc Brown is that he's responsible. Exactly. Yes. Uh, and so, yeah, we have the big chase scene with Biff and then the very end of the movie, uh, the DeLorean gets struck by lightning. Doc Brown gets like sent, you know, spiraling out and we don't know where he went for a brief moment. Um, but then the Western union guy shows up played by Joe Flaherty, the dad from freaks and geeks. Yep. Uh, we're very excited to see him.

[01:18:26] Also the guy who says jackass in happy Gilmore. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and he shows up and he has a letter from doc Brown, uh, from 1885. Uh, and it's such a great cliffhanger moment to end the movie on because it's, it's truly like you think, Oh shit, what happened to doc Brown? Brown, Marty gets the letter and he realizes doc Brown's live and he goes and chases after the other doc Brown from the end of the first movie and, and who has just sent Marty back to the future. He, the ending of the last movie just happened.

[01:18:55] Uh, and then the other party comes running and Christopher Lloyd's reaction is like unbelievable. Oh, just so good. I love the last line where he's like, I just sent you back to the future. And he's like, no doc, I'm back from the future to be continued. Like, yeah. Well, he says great Scott first. And then to be continued. So like, no, it's such a good turn there. Like, you know, back from the future. Yeah. Awesome. The movie. Yeah, absolutely. It's a great cliffhanger ending.

[01:19:24] And then of course it leads into back to the future. There's, there's a little sizzle reel for part three because they had already shot it, uh, which, and says coming summer, summer 1990. The primitive audiences of the eighties didn't understand though, the sequel could come out within one year of the other. I know. I do think this was one of the, if not the first example of like two like franchise movies or no Superman one and two shot back to back. Okay. Uh, the original two, the original Superman one and two, but this is like one of the first examples of like that. That's a, it's a pretty uncommon practice. Yeah.

[01:19:55] Like I can only think of a few other major ones, uh, pirates of the Caribbean two and three shot back to back. Uh, the matrix reloaded and revolutions. That's the first one I remember obviously cause I was 12 or whatever the hell when that came out. But, and those came out like six months apart. Yeah. Uh, and then Lord of the Rings movies obviously were all shot at the same time. Um, I guess avatar two and three were shot or technically shot back to back or they were shot. Maybe four and five. Uh, yeah. And then there's like other ones that were like split into two movies like, uh, infinity

[01:20:24] war end game or Harry Potter part one and part two or whatever. Um, but yeah, it was a pretty uncommon practice at the time. Uh, and I think Superman might've been the only other example of it happening, um, before two and three of back to the future did their thing. Um, but yeah, so that, that is back to the future part two. Any other moments or scenes that stand out to you, Mike, that you feel like we haven't mentioned, uh, that we should in part two. No, I think we covered a lot of it. I mean, there's a lot of like sight gags and stuff in the future. Um, the Jaws 27 or whatever the hell it is, whatever.

[01:20:53] Jaws 19 directed by Max Spielberg. I caught that this time too. Oh really? I didn't notice that. Yeah. Yeah. Spielberg is like real life son. Max Spielberg is the credited director on Jaws 19. Fun. They're like this time. It's really, really personal or whatever. Yes. This is the subtitle or a tagline. Yep. Uh, that's fun. Uh, Nixon seeks fifth term in the, uh, in the alternate 1985 timeline. That's on one of the headlines. I also like how there's the, the newspaper headlines that are always just like Emmett Brown committed or whatever.

[01:21:23] Um, and it just happens to be the alternate version. Like the real life version of that timeline is supposed to be Emmett Brown commended. Like, right. Happens to be the same day. Just, it wouldn't be like a random, like any other headline. No, no. It's always related to you in some way. There's always a doc Brown. Um, what else is there? Stuff like that. I remember actually, so unrelated to the movie necessarily, but I took a class in college that was, uh, an English class about comedies.

[01:21:50] Um, so, you know, the classics, Shakespeare, all that stuff. Um, and my professor's last name was Brown. So I was, I took a comedy class from Dr. Brown, doc Brown. And I was like, is this like a meta thing that's happening right now where it's like, this is a joke. He's like, no, shut up. Like, okay, nevermind. So that's nice. Absolutely. Uh, I'll share one other thing too, actually.

[01:22:16] Uh, so back to the future part two, uh, obviously they go to the year 2015 and in the year 2015 and when that finally happened, that was kind of a big moment. There was a big like back to the future push. I don't know if you remember this, Mike. Um, I don't think I do. I mean, it doesn't surprise me, but sure. Okay. But yeah, there was a lot of like tie in promotional stuff happening around that same time. I remember like Michael J Fox and Christopher Lloyd, like reprised their roles on Jimmy Kimmel and stuff like that. Uh, Nike put out the self-lacing shoes. I do remember that. Yeah. All that. And I believe there was some kind of like hoverboard that was being sold all that stuff.

[01:22:45] Uh, and on back to the future day, which I think was like October 21st, 2015 or something like that, like whatever date that was, uh, they did a re-release of all three movies, like as a marathon in theaters. Uh, and me and my dad went to it because we were back to the future guys. Uh, and so this was, uh, you know, uh, personal stuff. My dad died about a year later. Right. Um, but, uh, you know, he had been diagnosed with cancer earlier that year and had made like a miraculous recovery.

[01:23:12] Like he had to go through like surgery and stuff in like July, August, uh, and was supposed to be like, you know, laid up for months. Uh, and within like a month, he's great. Fantastic. Uh, which was great. And so, uh, you know, we hung out a lot, obviously around that time and then got diagnosed with cancer again later the next year. And then that went the way it did. Uh, but it was like right after he, uh, had gone through surgery and it was supposed to be like, you know, six months of rest, whatever he was feeling fine. And he wanted to go to the back to the future marathon. And I was like, hell yeah, we're going to do it. Uh, and I remember going to the back to the future marathon.

[01:23:42] Uh, we went to all three movies, uh, and before each movie, uh, we would run up to, uh, the Ruby Tuesdays in the mall, not the Johnny Rockets, not the Johnny Rockets. We didn't have Johnny Rockets in our mall. Uh, we, we had Ruby Tuesdays, uh, and we would chug a beer like it before we had like a 10 minute intermission. So, and the Ruby Tuesdays was kind of on the other side of the mall. Uh, so before the first movie started, we went to the Ruby Tuesdays, hung out for a little

[01:24:09] bit, had a beer, went down, watched back to the future, looked at our watches and be like, we can make it. And we ran to Ruby Tuesdays, chugged a beer, ran back down, uh, watched back to the future to did the same thing before part three. It was a great time. And, uh, one of my like good, really good memories of my dad, uh, which is really, really nice. Uh, and yeah, back to the future has just always been a big part of my upbringing, I guess. And all three movies, uh, especially. So yeah, back to the future part two. Yeah. You guys invented Alamo draft house basically. We did.

[01:24:39] Yes. What if we slam beers during movies? Whoa. Yes. What if we didn't have to run to the other side of the mall to get our beers? What if there was a better way? Now hear me out. Yeah. Uh, and so before we get into letterbox views, Mike, uh, you know, you rewatched all three movies. I rewatched all three movies. I'm obviously a huge fan. You have, you have always not been a, as big a guy on back to the future part three or is that, uh. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think it's always been like one, two and three is like my order.

[01:25:06] Um, and I think for sure, like I said, it's, it's like one is perfect. Two is very good. And three is like fine. Uh, you know. And that was still your reaction this time around? Basically. Yeah. Kind of like by the end of three, I was like kind of fading out. It was like, kind of like, we're getting a little droopy and sleepy. Like, Oh, the train stuff. Oh yeah. The train stuff's cool. And like, you know, so I definitely was like, uh, and I was kind of hoping like, Oh, maybe I'll reevaluate this a little bit, but no, it's the same reaction.

[01:25:35] Like it's so fun. Like it's so fun. I still like a lot. Like it's still good. Um, but just like, I think it's just impossible for something like something like that to ever live up to the first one, you know, in its own series. So, yeah, I mean, understandable. The first one is this kind of just unchallenged masterpiece. It's so, so good on every level. Uh, and three, I still really like a lot. I think rewatching part two and three, which I don't think I'd rewatch them in full, maybe since that back to the future marathon, which was 11 years ago now at this point, you know, I've seen them a lot.

[01:26:05] I was just like in bits and pieces here and there because they're on cable all the time. Uh, so, you know, I'll, I'll leave the TV on for my dog and then end up getting sucked into half an hour of back to the future two or whatever. Yeah. Um, but it had been a long time since I actually like watched both of those like in full, I'd seen the first one several times since the marathon, uh, but two and three, I hadn't gone back to in a long time. So it was good. I really enjoyed kind of getting the chance to go back and rewatch both of those movies. Uh, and on this rewatch, I do think two edges out three for me, but I do, I do still like three a lot though. It's got ZZ top in it.

[01:26:35] How can you not like, uh, back to the future three, you know, but it's like less than I thought, you know, that ZZ top is in it. There's less ZZ top than you expected in three. Yeah. Especially when they add the, uh, they spin their guitars and drums when they do the old West thing. It's great. That's fun. Um, but especially because that's in the sizzle reel and then it's like, Oh, that's basically the only thing they do in three. I also, I was only going to watch part two. I was only going to like just for the pod. I wasn't like planning on doing all three of them.

[01:27:05] And then I was like, well, that's kind of crazy. I should at least watch part one since it's like the whole thing of part two is like, and I haven't seen it in a while. Sure. So I watched part one and two and then part two ends with that sizzle reel to be continued thing. And I was like, well, that'd be kind of crazy if I don't watch the third. I kind of just got roped into a weekend. Part two. Yeah. It's, it ends on such a great cliffhanger and it kind of gives you a sizzle reel of what to expect in the next one. You're like, man, I kind of want to watch part three right now, you know? Uh, yeah. And so, yeah, I still really enjoyed it.

[01:27:34] I think the train sequence is pretty spectacular. Uh, I like Doc Brown's love story. I think that's great. Um, it's very cute. I think Christopher Lloyd plays it really well. Uh, and Mary Steenburgen's great in her role as well. Uh, and yeah, I, I like, uh, whenever I hear Clint Eastwood's name, I, I say it, maybe I don't always say it, but like, I feel like I hear it in my head, like Mr. Eastwood. Like I say it, like Seamus, like Seamus says it, uh, all that stuff. So yeah, back to the future three, I think is, uh, is underrated. Uh, it's, it's good stuff.

[01:28:03] Both sequels I think are really, really good. Uh, two, I think I would give the edge to, and it sounds like you prefer it vastly to three. Is that fair to say? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's not even the question for me like that. It's like, they're not close, but I don't, I don't like hate three or anything. I just think it's like not as good. It's just, it's okay. It's pretty good. Did you, did you ever see a million ways to die in the West? I did not, but I remember that baby. Yeah. That was the, the Seth Macfarlane movie that he made after Ted. Uh, it's not a good movie. Uh, it's, it's quite bad.

[01:28:31] Even as somebody who, you know, can watch like an old episode of family guy and still enjoy it. Like, you know, from when I was six, I had that nostalgia from when I was 15. I watched a million waves die in the West when it came out and did not like it, but there's one great joke in it. Uh, which is when, uh, there's a moment where like, oh yeah, there's this crazy old inventor who lives over there. And like the barn like blows over and you see Christopher Lloyd as doc Brown messing around with the Delorean. That's fun. That's cool. Which is a, a very funny bit. Uh, so yeah, there's that. I do like the Christopher Lloyd.

[01:28:58] Like he'll, he'll reprise this role like for whatever, like he'll do it, uh, you know, and he'll do it for the cameo and he'll do it for other things. Uh, there was a 2015 like short film that, uh, like was tying into back to the future today when that was coming out that they released with him playing doc Brown. Uh, and of course he's the lead of back to the future, the ride, the ride only involves him and Tom Wilson, Michael J. Fox, not in the ride, uh, which I was disappointed to see. I thought, I thought, uh, there'd at least be a Marty cameo in there. You know, I don't know. Yeah.

[01:29:26] Maybe it was post diagnosis and all that stuff. I don't really know what the time. Maybe I was kind of looking that up actually recently because, uh, he was, he's, uh, been on the season of shrinking, um, which is a show which I've been really enjoying. I started watching it like earlier this year and got like sucked into it. I'm caught up with it now. And season three is airing right now. Um, but, uh, in that show, Harrison Ford plays, uh, a doctor with Alzheimer's, uh, not with Alzheimer's, with Parkinson's. Uh, and so he's dealing with Parkinson's and it's, it's progressively kind of getting worse throughout the show.

[01:29:55] Uh, Harrison Ford, by the way, giving him like some of his best work ever on shrinking. He's unbelievable on it. But in the season three premiere, uh, he's at a doctor's office and he meets a fellow patient played by Michael J. Fox who actually has Parkinson's. Yeah. Uh, and then there's another episode, a few episodes down the line, uh, where he ends up going to, uh, Ford as a therapist kind of thing. Uh, and, uh, yeah, it, it was the first time I had seen Michael J. Fox in a while. Um, but he is, he occasionally does still act here and there. Yeah.

[01:30:22] And it's a really affecting emotional turn, uh, kind of because he actually does have Parkinson's and he's dealing with this character who is dealing with it and all that stuff. Um, but he's, he's incredible in it. He's still really funny on it and very charming and, uh, really terrific. Um, but I was looking it up and yeah, I guess he was originally diagnosed in like 1991. Wow. Yeah. Didn't, didn't go public with it until like 97. Um, and was still kind of acting in that time. Um, but I think it just kind of got progressively, you know, harder and harder. Um, and so by the mid two thousands, like it's kind of more rare when he starts showing

[01:30:52] up and stuff. Right. But, uh, shrinking is a Bill Lawrence show, uh, who created, created shrinking, but he also created spin city, which, uh, Michael J. Fox was on. Uh, and then Michael J. Fox was also on scrubs, which is also a Bill Lawrence show. He played like a doctor with OCD, uh, in like a multi-episode guest arc and all that stuff. Um, but yeah, he does a lot of great work there. Uh, and he was also the voice of Stuart little back in the day. Remember, remember Stuart little? I didn't know that was him. It was Michael J. Fox. He's also the voice of, uh, the main character in Atlantis, the lost empire. Uh, my, I think I did know that. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:31:22] So yeah, he did some voice work and all that stuff. But, uh, yeah. Also I do want to give a shout out. There's one great episode of Kirby enthusiasm with Michael J. Fox in it, which, uh, plays on the Parkinson's really well. Uh, have you seen that episode? No, I haven't. No. Okay. It's like the season eight finale of Kirby enthusiasm, uh, where Larry David meets Michael J. Fox at a function and like Michael J. Fox ends up kind of like giving him a shoulder shrug or a side eye or something. Uh, and he spends the entire episode wondering if he meant to do that, if it was like an intentional slight or if it was just the Parkinson's.

[01:31:54] And it's very clear that it was an intentional slight, but Michael J. Fox is blaming it on the Parkinson's the entire time. It's really, really funny. It's good stuff. Incredible. But, uh, in any case, Michael J. Fox, the coolest, he's great. Uh, and really terrific in these movies and there can never be another Marty McFly. And that is why we'll never see back to the future four. And we shouldn't. Correct. I agree. They should never make more movies of this. Yes, absolutely. Uh, in any case that is back to the future part two. It's been a long episode, but let's talk about it's, uh, you know, Yeah.

[01:32:24] I mean, like you, like you said, we, you know, uh, for a movie that the subject of our season is in for five seconds, it happens to be some of the best movies of ever. Yes. We got an excuse to talk about them. Yes. Will we have as much to say about internal affairs next week? We'll find out. Uh, but first let's get into letterbox reviews, Mike. Let's see what the people have to say in back to the future part two.

[01:32:50] I'm sure, I'm sure they're, uh, divisive and, and mean. They're, they're largely pretty positive. Yeah. Come on. Zara, which reads, I don't think we as a society discuss enough how much Michael J. Fox slayed as Marlene McFly. Damn. Yeah. Go off queen. Yeah, there you go. Uh, really terrific. Uh, here's a four and a half star review from Leighton Trent, uh, which reads what is back to the future part two?

[01:33:17] If not that stabbing buzzed headache you get when you drink the slushy or milkshake too quickly embodied in cinematic form. That first time watching this middle part of Roberts and X's trilogy is a dizzying experience of night narrative back and forths lefts and rights zigs and zags, but where the first film's seamless transition between setups and payoffs fade away. This one takes over with the sheer hubris of making you feel as though you shouldn't be able to keep up with the screenplay hijinks that heaps upon you at each and every turn. The beauty of this one lies in repeat viewings that provide such ample rewards in the details

[01:33:45] of what's the mechanism company are doing and not only telling the second part of their story, but how they are following the first and suddenly setting up the final piece of it. This is by far the most comforting headache that has ever come in the shape of a movie. And I doubt there will ever be another like it much less a better one. Yeah, that was interesting to start it with like, you know, brain freeze. It's like, wait a second. Hold on. Yes. Uh, that, but that, I think that's an apt way to describe that. There's so much going on in this movie, you know, it's very complex.

[01:34:13] Uh, here's a four star review from Matt Singer, film critic, which reads my kids loved it. Although they did raise some objections to Marty being so singularly focused on getting rich when he had absolutely zero interest in that in the first movie. And, and they're not wrong. No, just like the chicken thing. Uh, yeah. Uh, and the next sentence here is ironically, they had no issues with the whole suddenly Marty being called a chicken. This is kryptonite that everyone always catches him. Uh, which I will say, uh, despite, you know, the chicken thing being a little weird,

[01:34:43] I think the, uh, the bit in part three where they say, what are you yellow? Yeah. Is, is really funny. Uh, when he's nobody calls me yellow. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, the cleverness of the second and third acts really hooked them though. From the alternate 1985 to the tip throwing through the events of the first back to the future and doc suddenly getting struck by lightning and sent back to 1885 followed by the Western union telegram. And then Marty going to 1955 doc to plead for more assistance right after he ends back to the future. One mark where after he sends back to the future one, Marty back to the future, laughing out

[01:35:12] loud gas, desperate, pleased to watch part three immediately. The whole thing works like a well-oiled pizza hydrator. I like the bit in three where it's got this big, crazy steam machine thing in a doc's barn and it spits out a single ice cube. Very good. Ice tea. Yeah. It's great. Uh, I got one more review here. It's a four star review from Soph, which reads they thought we were going to have flying shoes at this point in time and we barely have human rights. Damn. Whoa.

[01:35:42] Yeah. Yeah. Sorry to end the podcast on that one, but, uh, uh, but in any case back to the future part two, it rocks. I'm glad we got the chance to watch it. And that is the first episode of the complete work season five. Mike, we did it. We did it. We're back, baby. We're back to the podcast. We're back from the podcast. There you go. I think. Yeah. They're in back again. They're in back. Woodpeckers. We're here. Woodpeckers. Exactly.

[01:36:11] Uh, so yeah, we'll be talking about more Elijah Wood in the weeks to come, but Mike D, where can we find you in line this week? You could find me at MD film blog on letterbox and blue sky. You can donate to support the show on our Kofi page, which is Kofi.com slash Mike and Mike pods, where you can donate $50 to pick a topic of the bonus episodes. The bike might go to the movies. You want us to talk about an Eric Stoltz movie? We'll do it. $50. Yeah. I guess because we were talking about part two, we didn't really get into the whole backstory with the first one.

[01:36:40] Um, it's a, yeah. Eric Stoltz almost played Martin McFly. Weird. Weird. Alternate timeline. Crazy. So we could do that on the, the Mike and Mike pods. Yeah. And Kofi. Uh, and if you want merch, we have merch available on our red bubble, Mike and Mike pods. Redbubble.com. That's right. You can find me online at Emma Smith film blog on blue sky and Twitter, Mike Smith film on letterbox and radio Mike sandwich on Instagram. Thank you so much for listening to complete works. I'm Mike Smith. It's my decretio. Don't forget to rate and view the show on Apple podcasts or any other podcast app. And if you want to contact us, you can skeet at us at complete works pod on blue sky.

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[01:37:34] Uh, next week, Elijah Wood plays a minor role in 1990s internal affairs, uh, which is an early film from leaving Las Vegas director, Mike Figgis. Uh, so yeah, director of mega doc. Yes. Director of mega doc, which, uh, did you want, did you watch mega doc? No. Okay. I watched it. I liked it. It was good. I'm sure. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Well, you didn't watch a megalopolis either, so it might not have as much appeal to you if you're for that reason, but yeah, the stars are Richard gear and Andy Garcia. Uh, and, uh, supposedly it's pretty good. So I'm looking forward to checking it out.

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