It's time for a Mike Makes Mike Watch! This week, Mike D is reckoning with the work of Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach in 2015's MISTRESS AMERICA, while Smith brushes up on his John Grisham with 1993's THE PELICAN BRIEF!
[00:00:00] Let's get together, talk about the movies that we saw this week.
[00:00:04] We'll have discussions, talk film news, we'll laugh a lot and act like geeks.
[00:00:07] Sometimes we'll have a guest or two, sometimes it's just the two of us.
[00:00:09] Let's crack some jokes and tell some folks to come along and hang with us!
[00:00:12] Mike and Mike go to the movies.
[00:00:17] Mike and Mike go to the movies.
[00:00:22] Yeah!
[00:00:25] You have chosen wisely.
[00:00:28] There's a conspiracy of foot and it goes all the way to the top of this podcast.
[00:00:32] It's Mike and Mike go to the movies.
[00:00:34] I'm Mike Smith and Jeremy, as always, is someone who does not give a shit
[00:00:37] because he's not a friend of Tennessee Williams.
[00:00:40] Mike DiCiccio.
[00:00:41] How are you doing Mike?
[00:00:42] I'm doing great.
[00:00:44] And I'm glad that you know that when I try I tried to get some friends to watch
[00:00:49] one of these movies with me, the one that you had to watch,
[00:00:52] and I told them I asked, do you guys want to watch a movie where it goes all the way to the top?
[00:00:57] And they were like, yeah, I mean,
[00:01:00] they didn't meet my intensity.
[00:01:03] But yes, they knew the whole time.
[00:01:07] Yes, it was a they knew.
[00:01:10] Yes, that is what we're doing today.
[00:01:11] We're doing a Mike Pikes Mike Watch our monthly series on the podcast where
[00:01:16] I make Mike D watch something and then he makes me watch something.
[00:01:20] Ideally something we've never seen before.
[00:01:21] I guess we could make us watch rewatches, but that's no fun, right?
[00:01:24] We want to expose each other to new new horizons.
[00:01:27] Correct. That's that's reserved more for the birthday bylaw movies where it's like
[00:01:31] let's watch an old fave or something.
[00:01:33] Or that was the impetus behind those movies.
[00:01:35] The Mike Makes Mike Watches was the stuff that mostly you've been telling me to watch
[00:01:39] for the decade that we've known each other.
[00:01:41] And I'm like, yeah, I'll get to it.
[00:01:42] And you're like, no, for the podcast, we're doing it.
[00:01:45] Right. Yeah. OK.
[00:01:46] Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, I got to think about my birthday bylaw.
[00:01:49] My birthday is coming up in June.
[00:01:51] Yes. And I am reserving my right because
[00:01:54] Joker 2 comes out on my birthday.
[00:01:57] Is it really on your birthday?
[00:01:58] It's my birthday day to invoke the bylaw.
[00:02:01] I mean, but unless somebody wants to pay us, then like, yeah, sure.
[00:02:04] I guess I'll watch it.
[00:02:05] I will say I'm not sure the bylaw works in reverse.
[00:02:08] I don't think you can.
[00:02:11] That's an additive thing.
[00:02:13] Yeah.
[00:02:15] But I will.
[00:02:15] I think it would be really fun to talk about Joker 2 on this podcast,
[00:02:19] partially because I think Joker 2 could be pretty good.
[00:02:22] I don't know. You shut your god damn mouth.
[00:02:23] I think it could be a pretty good movie.
[00:02:25] How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?
[00:02:30] I don't know.
[00:02:31] Did you watch the trailer for Joker 2, Mike?
[00:02:33] Is that a curiosity? No, of course not.
[00:02:34] Check it out. Looks pretty good.
[00:02:36] I mean, it's such a big swing from what Joker was.
[00:02:40] You know, Joker 2019 was, you know, I mean, granted,
[00:02:44] I liked Joker more than you did.
[00:02:48] It's a pretty low bar to hit.
[00:02:50] You might be famously not a fan of the film Joker from 2019.
[00:02:56] But I think Joker is a pretty good movie, you know, much much like
[00:03:01] we were just talking about this off off Mike Alex Garland Civil War.
[00:03:04] You know, that is a movie that people either really loved or really hated.
[00:03:07] And I was just somewhere in between.
[00:03:09] Yeah, it's fine. It's pretty good.
[00:03:10] I didn't dislike it.
[00:03:11] I enjoyed parts of it, you know, in Civil War.
[00:03:13] Kind of the same thing.
[00:03:14] Joker, I think, is like a fairly hollow, you know,
[00:03:18] reimagining of Martin Scorsese movies like Taxi Driver and King of Comedy.
[00:03:22] Right. Right. And Joker, Folley, I do is going to be this like
[00:03:27] big swing romantic musical that seems more heavily influenced by New York,
[00:03:31] New York than anything else.
[00:03:33] And also like like the Umbrellas of Sherbrooke gets like a specific
[00:03:36] shout out in the trailer, like this one shot that like calls pays homage to that.
[00:03:40] And I don't know, it just seems like a wild turn for like the sequel
[00:03:44] to Joker to be.
[00:03:46] And, you know, I don't really like to have Phillips all that much as a filmmaker.
[00:03:49] I do think Joaquin Phoenix was good in Joker and in general.
[00:03:53] I think he's like he's one of our best actors and Lady Gaga's playing Harley Quinn.
[00:03:57] I don't know. I'm in there.
[00:04:01] I think there's something going on in the Joker in Joker Folley.
[00:04:03] I do. Maybe you'll keep the ball in air this time.
[00:04:07] Maybe this time it'll be different.
[00:04:10] Yeah. Speaking of man, still got to watch Rebel Moon, man.
[00:04:12] So I got around. Yeah, exactly.
[00:04:15] Come on. So I got to get around to it.
[00:04:18] Yeah, no, I do think Joker Folley, I do could be good.
[00:04:22] And I think we should talk about it.
[00:04:26] It doesn't have to be on your birthday, Mike.
[00:04:29] We could do it a week later.
[00:04:30] You could do it a different week.
[00:04:31] OK, maybe I'll give you a possible maybe.
[00:04:35] OK, so that's yeah.
[00:04:38] But if anybody wants to, you know, really kind of put the weight
[00:04:41] their weight on the scale, if they want to donate $50
[00:04:44] to the podcast and make us watch Joker 2, can't say no.
[00:04:46] That's a thing.
[00:04:47] Yeah. Kofi donation.
[00:04:49] 50 bucks right there.
[00:04:50] And the more 50 z donate, the more times Mike D has to watch Joker.
[00:04:57] Just like for every $50, we're going to make Mike
[00:05:00] Scriscio watch Joker 2 one more time.
[00:05:03] I'm glad that the trailer did not.
[00:05:05] I also saw Civil War this past weekend.
[00:05:10] And same down the line.
[00:05:11] It's pretty good.
[00:05:12] It's down the middle.
[00:05:12] Like it's fine.
[00:05:13] It looks amazing.
[00:05:14] I think there's really great performances, but ultimately kind of hollowed.
[00:05:17] But I'm glad the trailer didn't play before that.
[00:05:20] But the trailer for Maxine did because also 824.
[00:05:23] Yeah, the movies are back, baby.
[00:05:25] That's all I got to say.
[00:05:26] Make sure you watch Angel, which was a Mike Makes Mike watch
[00:05:30] before you watch Maxine,
[00:05:31] because it feels like they're just one in the same.
[00:05:33] They're going to be referencing the same stuff.
[00:05:35] I think you are correct.
[00:05:36] And that Maxine trailer does look really fun.
[00:05:37] I'm very excited about that.
[00:05:39] Also, the long legs trailer looks really cool.
[00:05:40] There's a lot of cool stuff coming out.
[00:05:41] A lot of cool shit happen.
[00:05:42] Yeah, a lot of cool stuff.
[00:05:43] Long legs, which of course we'll talk about on the complete works
[00:05:45] because Nicolas Cage is in it.
[00:05:47] And then, yeah, Furiosa is out next month also, which that's all
[00:05:50] I'm thinking about.
[00:05:51] Yeah, I can't wait.
[00:05:52] There's also there's this one moment.
[00:05:54] You've seen the Furiosa trailer by now, I'm sure.
[00:05:55] Right.
[00:05:55] Like, actually, I don't think I have.
[00:05:57] I don't think it played before Civil War or first omen.
[00:06:00] Yeah.
[00:06:00] Wow.
[00:06:00] OK.
[00:06:01] Yeah.
[00:06:02] Furiosa has had two trailers now.
[00:06:03] The first trailer is pretty good, but the second trailer, I think rocks.
[00:06:06] And there's this one moment in the trailer where Anya Taylor-Joy
[00:06:09] is like narrating it, like as Furiosa, like, you know, doing the voiceover
[00:06:12] and stuff.
[00:06:13] And there's this one moment where she has this like guttural sound
[00:06:15] to her voice about wanting her family back.
[00:06:17] And she has this line like I want them back.
[00:06:20] And then there's a pause.
[00:06:21] I want them back.
[00:06:22] And she's like, like it takes the like the lever of the vehicle
[00:06:26] and starts like, yeah, it just looks so fucking rad.
[00:06:29] It looks cool.
[00:06:30] I can't wait.
[00:06:31] Furiosa, we will definitely be talking about on this podcast.
[00:06:33] I think.
[00:06:33] Absolutely.
[00:06:34] Yes.
[00:06:35] That's got to happen.
[00:06:36] That will do for free.
[00:06:37] Yeah.
[00:06:39] If we review only two new movies this year, it's going to be Furiosa
[00:06:42] and Joker for the ads.
[00:06:45] My God.
[00:06:48] Anyway, today we're not talking about any new movies, Mike.
[00:06:51] That's right.
[00:06:51] In fact, both movies that we're talking about are at least 10 years old
[00:06:54] at this point.
[00:06:55] And so today, Mike D, you're making me watch Alan J.
[00:06:58] Paquilla's The Pelican Brief from 1993.
[00:07:02] And I am making you watch Noah Baumbach's Mistress America from 2015.
[00:07:06] And so, yeah, which one of these movies would you like to talk about first, Mike?
[00:07:09] Let's talk about Mistress America first.
[00:07:10] Okay, let's do it.
[00:07:11] Let's get into Mike makes Mike watch.
[00:07:30] I was sleeping.
[00:07:30] Turn that off.
[00:07:31] Sorry.
[00:07:32] I'm your roommate.
[00:07:35] You know the feeling of being at a party where you don't know anybody?
[00:07:38] College is like that the whole time.
[00:07:41] You should call Brooke.
[00:07:42] I hear she's fun.
[00:07:44] Hey, baby Tracy.
[00:07:48] Being around Brooke made you want to find life, not hide from it.
[00:07:51] I'm going to shorten that, punch it up and turn it into a tweet.
[00:07:54] She sang with the band and knew everyone and didn't owe anyone anything
[00:07:58] and couldn't pay up even if she did.
[00:08:00] High five, sister.
[00:08:01] That was an amazing night.
[00:08:02] Best of my life.
[00:08:04] You got a honey?
[00:08:05] No, there's just one guy.
[00:08:06] Hey.
[00:08:08] Hey.
[00:08:08] But he's got a girlfriend.
[00:08:09] There's no cheating when you're 18.
[00:08:12] You should all be touching each other all the time.
[00:08:15] I'm starting a restaurant.
[00:08:16] The front part would be like a shop.
[00:08:18] We don't have cooking classes.
[00:08:19] Maybe cut hair.
[00:08:21] If I did a cabaret, it would be called High Standards and I would sing all the standards.
[00:08:25] That's clever.
[00:08:26] I tutored junior high, but I would love to get into the app business.
[00:08:29] I freelance as an interior decorator.
[00:08:32] I want to write short stories.
[00:08:33] Oh, me too.
[00:08:34] Not short stories though.
[00:08:38] I think I'm sick and I don't know if my ailment has a name.
[00:08:43] I just am in love with everything, but can't figure out how to make myself work in the world.
[00:08:49] I think I have that too.
[00:08:51] I am so impressed by you and so worried for you at the same time.
[00:08:56] Oh, sometimes I don't know if you're a Zen master or a sociopath.
[00:09:01] I'm just normal.
[00:09:05] All right.
[00:09:06] That was from the trailer for Mistress America directed by Noah Baumbach from 2015 starring
[00:09:10] Greta Gerwig in the sort of lead role.
[00:09:13] I guess technically the other character Lola Kirk is the lead of the movie, but
[00:09:17] they're co-leads.
[00:09:18] I would say they're pretty equal in the film.
[00:09:21] So yeah, I think, you know, weirdly I didn't intend for this to happen.
[00:09:25] But over the course of Mike Makes Mike Watch, I think I've been like slowly filling in
[00:09:28] Greta Gerwig's entire filmography.
[00:09:31] Yes.
[00:09:33] For Mike DiCrecio who like this time last year, I don't think you had seen like
[00:09:36] any of her movies, right?
[00:09:37] Yeah, no, correct.
[00:09:38] I hadn't seen anything and you've so far made me watch Lady Bird, Frances Ha and
[00:09:42] now Mistress America.
[00:09:43] Right.
[00:09:44] And so Frances Ha and Mistress America both directed by Noah Baumbach but co-written
[00:09:48] by Noah Baumbach and Greta Gerwig and you know, it counts like they're married.
[00:09:52] They work together.
[00:09:53] She's like sort of co-director on these movies too.
[00:09:56] Yeah, but credited to Noah Baumbach.
[00:09:58] But yeah, so Frances Ha is I think the most recent one that I made you watch
[00:10:01] before this.
[00:10:02] Yes.
[00:10:03] And I think you had a similar reaction to Frances Ha and Lady Bird where
[00:10:07] you're kind of like, yeah, I like this.
[00:10:09] This is pretty good.
[00:10:10] I'm not sure I like this as much as everybody else does, right?
[00:10:13] Correct.
[00:10:13] And also to preview same for Mistress America, which is wild, but I've come
[00:10:19] to realize I'm going to have to go back and rewatch Lady Bird now because of this.
[00:10:23] I rewatched Frances Ha this past weekend.
[00:10:26] Okay.
[00:10:26] Thanks to a certain film critic who writes or used to write all of their
[00:10:31] things in the character of a Marvel, in character as a Marvel.
[00:10:34] Film Crit Hulk?
[00:10:35] Film Crit Hulk, yes.
[00:10:36] Who sometimes randomly streams on Twitch unannounced untitled movie
[00:10:40] marathons just will which is like, you know, I don't know, there's
[00:10:44] some kind of copyright dodging that they're doing over there to make
[00:10:48] that happen.
[00:10:48] But I saw that they were streaming on I think it was on Saturday or
[00:10:51] something this past weekend and I was just like, this is cool.
[00:10:53] I checked in and I forget what movie it was.
[00:10:55] Maybe I think it was Casablanca or something.
[00:10:56] I was like this rules but I have to go do some stuff.
[00:10:59] Yeah.
[00:10:59] So I left.
[00:11:00] I think it was D&D actually.
[00:11:01] I went to play D&D.
[00:11:01] D&D ended my friends and I were hanging out on Discord.
[00:11:04] We didn't know what to do.
[00:11:05] I was like, well, this is guy.
[00:11:06] Let's see what Film Crit Hulk streaming.
[00:11:08] Yeah.
[00:11:08] Popped it on.
[00:11:09] It was the opening credits of Frances Ha.
[00:11:11] It's like, well, okay, we got nothing else to do.
[00:11:14] Let's watch this.
[00:11:15] And was totally won over by it.
[00:11:17] Really?
[00:11:18] Oh my God.
[00:11:19] This is incredible.
[00:11:19] And but it was funny.
[00:11:20] My friends were that I was watching and had never seen it and they
[00:11:23] were where I was the first time I watched it where they were like,
[00:11:26] I fucking hate Frances.
[00:11:27] What is she doing?
[00:11:29] Like and I was like just wait, just trust me.
[00:11:31] Like, you know, I remember there being a moment in the back
[00:11:34] half of the movie that I like really won me over and then Frances
[00:11:37] Ha it's the basically after Paris after she goes to Paris just
[00:11:40] because she said lies that she has plans to go to Paris and
[00:11:43] it's like this whole awful thing.
[00:11:44] And yeah, and then she spends the summer at Vassar College.
[00:11:48] Like in the dorms and after that the back half of the movie or
[00:11:52] like the third act or whatever.
[00:11:53] I was like totally on board for Frances.
[00:11:55] So knowing that's coming, I was able to enjoy the first
[00:11:57] half of the movie a lot more and then the same thing
[00:12:00] happened my friends that like when we got to that point
[00:12:01] they were like, oh no, like in there like Frances you
[00:12:04] poor you poor sweet child like, you know, so all that
[00:12:07] to say I really enjoyed Frances Ha and then when I was
[00:12:10] watching Mistress America, I was like, I hate this character.
[00:12:14] I cannot handle it.
[00:12:16] And then there's a moment in the back half of the movie
[00:12:18] where it turns and I'm like, I fucking love this character.
[00:12:20] So now I got to go back and rewatched Mistress America
[00:12:22] with that knowledge and I got to go back and watch Lady
[00:12:24] Bird and be like maybe there's just a barrier to
[00:12:28] entry for me with these, you know, like Arrested
[00:12:31] Development annoying precocious people that that
[00:12:35] that thaw out throughout the first act the first
[00:12:37] half of the movie and then by the third acts you're
[00:12:39] completely on their side for me and and that makes
[00:12:43] it more enjoyable.
[00:12:44] So I had I've had a journey with Noah Baumbach and
[00:12:46] Greta Gerfick movies in the past three days.
[00:12:48] Yeah, that's so great.
[00:12:52] I'm glad you got the chance to rewatch Frances Ha
[00:12:54] and you kind of came around on it.
[00:12:55] That's great.
[00:12:56] I think we like threw out there that out there
[00:12:58] as a possibility when we talked about Frances Ha.
[00:13:00] Yes that like when you watch it again at some
[00:13:02] point, but like I figured if you watched it
[00:13:04] again, it would be like years from now, like it
[00:13:06] would be like more than a couple months.
[00:13:09] Yeah.
[00:13:09] Yeah, exactly.
[00:13:10] So I'm glad you ended up rewatching Frances Ha
[00:13:12] and I hope that you end up rewatching Mistress
[00:13:13] America because this is my favorite Noah Baumbach
[00:13:17] movie.
[00:13:18] It's probably my favorite Greta Gerfick movie.
[00:13:20] I really love Mistress America.
[00:13:21] This is like the one that I really really
[00:13:23] responded to and I mean Frances Ha was probably
[00:13:25] a grower on me as well.
[00:13:27] Like I saw Frances Ha when it was in theaters
[00:13:29] liked it quite a bit didn't really think about
[00:13:31] it too much for like 10 years and then you
[00:13:34] know, finally watched again and really loved
[00:13:35] it.
[00:13:35] Mistress America.
[00:13:36] I watched I didn't see it in theaters, but I
[00:13:38] saw it like when it hit Blu-ray I think like
[00:13:41] back of my Netflix disc plan, which RIP missed
[00:13:43] that so much.
[00:13:45] The ancient past.
[00:13:46] I watched Mistress America off my Netflix disc
[00:13:48] plan when it came out and I was like completely
[00:13:51] won over by immediately.
[00:13:52] I loved this movie.
[00:13:53] I was like it was a full like four and a
[00:13:55] half five stars for me.
[00:13:56] Like I was so in for Mistress America and I
[00:13:59] think part of that is the turn it takes about
[00:14:01] halfway through where the first half of it
[00:14:03] is, you know, it's heightened.
[00:14:05] There's like a lot of like wacky dialogue and
[00:14:06] stuff and you're kind of just seeing this sort
[00:14:08] of like larger than life character that Greta
[00:14:10] Gerwig is playing a little bit just like what
[00:14:12] a what a wild weird person to be around and
[00:14:14] like she's a little bit insufferable.
[00:14:15] But like why is she this way and all that
[00:14:17] stuff and then the back half turns into like
[00:14:19] just a really fun screwball comedy.
[00:14:22] And I was just so enchanted by it.
[00:14:24] I was so delighted by this movie when I
[00:14:26] first saw it.
[00:14:27] Yeah.
[00:14:27] Yeah.
[00:14:27] I mean, that's that's the same thing for
[00:14:29] me where I was watching it and it's kind
[00:14:30] of like the first half of the movie.
[00:14:33] Greta Gerwig is basically playing like
[00:14:34] Francis if she could make rent right like
[00:14:37] she's she's the same kind of character
[00:14:39] who's just like getting in over her head
[00:14:42] saying yes to stuff and like doing all
[00:14:44] these things like, you know, trying to
[00:14:45] open a restaurant.
[00:14:45] That's also a barber shop.
[00:14:46] That's also a community whatever I don't
[00:14:48] know all this stuff moms, right?
[00:14:50] That's the name of the place she's trying
[00:14:51] to open right and she's the soon-to-be
[00:14:53] stepsister of the main character who is
[00:14:55] this like literature English major writing
[00:14:59] something student at like Baruch College
[00:15:01] and all this stuff.
[00:15:02] And I don't know if it's if it's also
[00:15:04] my reaction to the first half of both
[00:15:06] Francis Ha and Mistress America is that
[00:15:08] it's like like too much of a mirror of
[00:15:10] me and my friend groups at the like when
[00:15:13] we were 21 and 22 and we're in the
[00:15:15] changes cut close.
[00:15:16] It's real close.
[00:15:18] Yeah, I was like, I don't know.
[00:15:20] I don't know if I like this.
[00:15:23] So so there's that that's definitely
[00:15:25] possible possibility to my initial
[00:15:27] like recoiling from these movies.
[00:15:30] But yeah, and then and then she goes
[00:15:33] they go to this like psychic who's
[00:15:34] like you got to heal that old wound
[00:15:36] or something.
[00:15:36] You just throw it out stuff and they're
[00:15:38] like we have to go to we have to go to
[00:15:40] Greenwich and ask our old friend or
[00:15:42] ask your old friend that stole your
[00:15:44] t-shirt idea or whatever ask them for
[00:15:46] money and yeah, once they get to the
[00:15:47] house in Greenwich, it's just like
[00:15:49] 30 or 45 minutes straight of screwball
[00:15:51] comedy with like five or six levels
[00:15:53] of diet conversations going on at
[00:15:55] the same time in the same room and
[00:15:56] it's fucking hilarious.
[00:15:57] Yeah, and I was like totally won over
[00:15:59] by all that and it reveals this
[00:16:01] kind of like, you know deeper.
[00:16:04] I don't even know what the right word
[00:16:05] is right now.
[00:16:06] I can't think of it but this deeper
[00:16:07] level to these characters that is
[00:16:09] beyond just like insufferable and
[00:16:12] makes bad choices and it's like,
[00:16:13] oh wait, you're a real person like
[00:16:14] your real character behind all this.
[00:16:16] Right the introspection or whatever
[00:16:19] and yes, it's just it wins me
[00:16:21] it won me over like I was like
[00:16:22] on board with this with this crew
[00:16:25] credit girl again her 18 year old
[00:16:28] posse is like, you know, four or
[00:16:29] five 18 year olds that are with her
[00:16:31] just as emotional support and the
[00:16:33] way they all turn on the main
[00:16:34] character when they're when it's
[00:16:35] discovered that she's written a
[00:16:37] story based on what they're going
[00:16:38] through and all this stuff is so
[00:16:40] funny. So yeah, I had a journey
[00:16:42] ups and downs emotional roller
[00:16:43] coaster. Nice.
[00:16:44] Yeah, I think one of my favorite
[00:16:45] things about this movie.
[00:16:47] So I've seen this movie a couple
[00:16:47] of times now because I saw it
[00:16:49] like when it came out and one
[00:16:51] of my favorite blu-ray purchases
[00:16:52] ever was I was at the dollar
[00:16:55] store and I found Mistress
[00:16:56] America on blu-ray and I was
[00:16:57] like snatched like that.
[00:17:00] Got that.
[00:17:01] So now I have it.
[00:17:02] I got it for $1 and I've
[00:17:03] watched it. I think once or twice
[00:17:04] since then I showed it to my
[00:17:05] girlfriend and I think she liked
[00:17:06] it but wasn't like crazy about it
[00:17:08] as as into it as I was.
[00:17:09] She really likes Francis Ha and
[00:17:11] for whatever reason didn't
[00:17:11] didn't connect with this one as
[00:17:13] much. But yeah, I
[00:17:15] really, really liked this movie
[00:17:16] and I think part of it is
[00:17:17] because you know Francis Ha is
[00:17:18] very much about like, you
[00:17:19] know, navigating your 20s
[00:17:20] and like kind of having that
[00:17:21] like, you know, you're out of
[00:17:22] college. You're expected to be
[00:17:23] an adult, but you're not quite
[00:17:24] sure how that works and
[00:17:26] you're kind of just figuring it
[00:17:27] out.
[00:17:28] Constantly asking people, do
[00:17:30] I look old?
[00:17:31] I'm only 27.
[00:17:32] That's not that old.
[00:17:34] And Mistress America.
[00:17:35] I think, you know, you have
[00:17:36] that college perspective, but
[00:17:38] then you also have the perspective
[00:17:38] of somebody who is in their
[00:17:40] 30s at this point.
[00:17:41] And but like somebody who's
[00:17:43] in their 30s, but still very
[00:17:44] much feels like they are in
[00:17:46] college and they're but
[00:17:47] they're trying to project an
[00:17:48] image of like what they
[00:17:50] expected a what they expect
[00:17:52] a 30 year old person to look
[00:17:53] like based on what they thought
[00:17:54] they should be when they were
[00:17:55] in college. And so to that
[00:17:57] today and like Greta Gerwig
[00:17:58] lives in Times Square
[00:18:01] and says like this is the first
[00:18:03] place I got off.
[00:18:04] I like when I got off the bus
[00:18:06] into New York.
[00:18:06] This is where I was and I thought
[00:18:07] it's where cool people live.
[00:18:10] Nobody would think
[00:18:12] I mean even right down to her
[00:18:14] introduction is like coming
[00:18:16] down those like red steps in
[00:18:17] the middle of Times Square, but
[00:18:19] for so much longer like it's
[00:18:20] it's like calls out when
[00:18:22] she's at the top of the
[00:18:23] stairs and it's like a good
[00:18:24] 20 seconds of her.
[00:18:25] Yes, like arms out like
[00:18:27] reaching for a hug, but for
[00:18:29] 20 seconds because the stairs
[00:18:30] are so long.
[00:18:32] Hilarious.
[00:18:33] Very funny.
[00:18:33] Yeah. And so you have you
[00:18:35] know, this this kind of
[00:18:36] insane ish person that sort
[00:18:38] of like takes everyone and kind
[00:18:39] of brings them into her own
[00:18:40] like, you know, whirlwind of
[00:18:42] emotions and like, you know,
[00:18:43] whole everything's going on.
[00:18:45] And then you also have Lola
[00:18:45] Kerr's character who is a
[00:18:47] fairly down to earth college
[00:18:49] student but is like, you
[00:18:51] know, kind of enraptured in
[00:18:53] this new character.
[00:18:54] But she also I think realizes
[00:18:55] like how insane she is.
[00:18:57] And so very early on,
[00:18:58] she's like, oh, this is great
[00:18:59] material for my book that I'm
[00:19:01] going to write this short
[00:19:03] story that I'm going to submit
[00:19:04] to the Literature Society or
[00:19:05] whatever it is.
[00:19:06] Yeah. And I love that they
[00:19:07] keep bringing up like you
[00:19:09] printed this on onion skin
[00:19:10] like the game.
[00:19:12] It's such a superficial thing
[00:19:13] to do. I don't know.
[00:19:14] It's just very funny.
[00:19:15] And yeah, the way that
[00:19:17] she gets wrapped up in the
[00:19:18] like the frenzy of
[00:19:20] Greta Gerwig's character
[00:19:21] who to a college student
[00:19:22] looks like has it all
[00:19:23] together, right?
[00:19:23] Like she's opening a
[00:19:24] business. She's living in
[00:19:26] commercial space like
[00:19:27] you know, whatever all this
[00:19:28] stuff all for it to just
[00:19:29] come all collapsing down
[00:19:31] when the rich boyfriend pulls
[00:19:32] out or breaks up with her
[00:19:34] or whatever. I forget exactly
[00:19:35] what happens, right?
[00:19:35] Right. Yeah.
[00:19:36] To be like, oh, she none
[00:19:38] of this is she has got no
[00:19:39] plan that she's just seat
[00:19:40] of her pants is faking
[00:19:41] all of it.
[00:19:42] Right. But she like is
[00:19:43] so good at faking all
[00:19:44] of it and is like,
[00:19:45] you know, is very
[00:19:46] confident in how she
[00:19:47] speaks and that sort
[00:19:49] of fools everybody into
[00:19:50] being like, yeah, she's
[00:19:50] kind of got it together,
[00:19:51] even though she seems
[00:19:52] insane.
[00:19:53] You know, and there's just
[00:19:54] moments is very quotable
[00:19:56] moments that come out of
[00:19:57] her character.
[00:19:58] I think Brooks are
[00:19:58] characters name.
[00:20:00] But yeah, there's this one
[00:20:01] like line that I think about
[00:20:01] all the time, which is
[00:20:03] like she's talking to
[00:20:04] somebody and she's like,
[00:20:04] oh, like, oh, that's very
[00:20:05] like self like self aware
[00:20:07] of you.
[00:20:08] She's like, oh, yeah, I
[00:20:08] know everything about
[00:20:09] myself. That's why I can't
[00:20:10] do therapy.
[00:20:12] Or when she asks
[00:20:14] the other character,
[00:20:15] Lola Kirk's character,
[00:20:16] I forget her name is
[00:20:17] like, oh, I'm an auto
[00:20:18] didact. You know what
[00:20:19] that means?
[00:20:19] And she says yes.
[00:20:20] She's like that word
[00:20:21] is one of the things
[00:20:22] I self taught myself.
[00:20:26] It's so great.
[00:20:29] Yeah. And then and then
[00:20:30] they go to Greenwich,
[00:20:31] right? Like I said,
[00:20:31] the advice of some psychic,
[00:20:33] the spirit that,
[00:20:35] you know, he gives them
[00:20:36] that vague thing and
[00:20:37] they fill it all in
[00:20:37] themselves to go to
[00:20:39] Mamie Claire, who's her
[00:20:41] Brooks ex best friend
[00:20:42] that stole her t-shirt
[00:20:43] idea and her fiancee
[00:20:44] in the past.
[00:20:45] And her cats.
[00:20:46] And her cats.
[00:20:47] That's a great reveal.
[00:20:47] That's fucking hilarious.
[00:20:51] So they go there and
[00:20:52] to ask them for money
[00:20:53] to fill in the gap
[00:20:54] and their investment gap
[00:20:55] now that the new
[00:20:56] rich boyfriend has left.
[00:20:57] And yeah, and then
[00:20:59] it just becomes a mad
[00:20:59] cap screwball comedy
[00:21:00] where it's all these
[00:21:01] different couples
[00:21:02] and relationships
[00:21:03] and all this stuff
[00:21:04] in the person
[00:21:05] that's like a tax
[00:21:06] attorney pretending to be
[00:21:09] like a copyright lawyer
[00:21:10] or whatever is going on.
[00:21:11] Very fun.
[00:21:12] Yeah.
[00:21:12] And it's like it's them
[00:21:14] and also like two
[00:21:15] other college kids
[00:21:16] that go over to
[00:21:18] go for the Greenwich.
[00:21:18] Yeah. And it's like
[00:21:19] yeah, he's the one
[00:21:20] with the car and like
[00:21:21] his girlfriend is like
[00:21:22] has severe like
[00:21:23] abandonment issues
[00:21:24] or whatever it is.
[00:21:24] Like she's like just very,
[00:21:26] very clingy and very
[00:21:27] attached to him and like
[00:21:28] like anytime like another
[00:21:29] girl is in the car,
[00:21:30] she gets threatened by it.
[00:21:33] When Lila Kirk calls
[00:21:35] the guy, the boyfriend,
[00:21:37] they're like not boyfriend.
[00:21:38] I don't know that her
[00:21:39] classmate asked about
[00:21:40] like if you were going
[00:21:41] to get like a nice pasta
[00:21:42] like what would
[00:21:42] what kind of pasta
[00:21:43] would you get
[00:21:44] and the like traumatized
[00:21:45] girlfriend in bed with him
[00:21:46] is like well,
[00:21:47] yeah, when she stick
[00:21:47] pasta for pussy or something
[00:21:49] it's just the fun.
[00:21:50] Like she's so insecure
[00:21:52] about it.
[00:21:52] It's so funny.
[00:21:54] Yeah.
[00:21:55] And they all go out
[00:21:56] to Greenwich together.
[00:21:57] Incorrect.
[00:21:58] And so that that dynamic
[00:21:59] is very, very funny
[00:22:00] because there is like
[00:22:01] I think Tracy does have
[00:22:02] a crush on this guy, right?
[00:22:03] Or like she is.
[00:22:03] Yeah, he he was like
[00:22:05] they like sort of had a thing
[00:22:07] but not not any
[00:22:08] kind of physical thing,
[00:22:08] but she assumed
[00:22:09] they were going to be a couple
[00:22:11] and when he doesn't
[00:22:12] show interest and goes
[00:22:12] to this other girlfriend,
[00:22:13] she's like personally
[00:22:14] slighted by it.
[00:22:17] And so she's sort of
[00:22:18] like to prove to herself
[00:22:20] that he liked her
[00:22:21] is like kind of coming
[00:22:21] on to him.
[00:22:22] Right.
[00:22:23] Yeah.
[00:22:23] And so they all like
[00:22:24] that that's all happening
[00:22:25] when they get to Greenwich
[00:22:26] and like yeah,
[00:22:27] there's all this stuff
[00:22:28] with maybe Claire
[00:22:29] and they're like she's like,
[00:22:30] you know, Brooke confronting her
[00:22:32] and then also her husband
[00:22:34] who was like her ex lover
[00:22:35] and all this stuff
[00:22:36] and like it all kind of builds up
[00:22:37] to like her pitching
[00:22:39] an idea to them like a
[00:22:40] like a sales pitch.
[00:22:41] Yeah.
[00:22:42] And it's just can't
[00:22:43] totally unprepared.
[00:22:44] You can't do a pitch
[00:22:47] and she gets saved
[00:22:48] by her step sister,
[00:22:49] although revealed
[00:22:50] to not be step sister.
[00:22:51] And that's sort of like
[00:22:52] what ruins it all for Brooke.
[00:22:53] Right?
[00:22:54] Her dad calls her
[00:22:54] while they're in Greenwich.
[00:22:55] Oh right.
[00:22:56] It says like I am married.
[00:22:57] After all the wedding is off.
[00:22:58] Yeah. So I guess she's just nothing to you now.
[00:23:01] Like they're not soon to be step sisters.
[00:23:03] And then that all kind of boils up
[00:23:04] and boils over rather
[00:23:06] in the reveal that
[00:23:08] that she's written
[00:23:08] a short story about Brooke
[00:23:09] called Mistress America
[00:23:11] and it all goes wrong.
[00:23:12] They all start screaming at each other
[00:23:13] like put her on trial
[00:23:14] and it sort of becomes like a
[00:23:16] like a like Wes Anderson thing
[00:23:18] for a site where it's just like
[00:23:19] really specific blocking
[00:23:20] and everyone's framed perfectly
[00:23:22] and yeah, like right in the center
[00:23:23] and they're all lined up.
[00:23:25] Yes.
[00:23:25] Which no bomb back did
[00:23:27] work with Wes Anderson a bunch.
[00:23:28] Oh really?
[00:23:28] Well, yeah, I think he wrote co-wrote.
[00:23:31] Yeah, he co-wrote Fantastic
[00:23:32] Mr. Fox and he also co-wrote Life Aquatic.
[00:23:35] Makes sense.
[00:23:35] Yeah.
[00:23:36] Yeah.
[00:23:36] I mean it just becomes like a really
[00:23:38] you know like like stage bound.
[00:23:39] They're like they're in a single location
[00:23:41] right?
[00:23:41] It feels like and then all of a sudden
[00:23:42] they're in a specific room
[00:23:43] where they're sort of like
[00:23:44] putting her on trial basically
[00:23:46] and there's a really funny
[00:23:48] cutaway moment
[00:23:49] where they're like all reading
[00:23:50] the short story
[00:23:50] and Brooke goes to turn the page
[00:23:52] and everyone else is like
[00:23:53] whoa whoa whoa slow down.
[00:23:55] She's reading too fast for them
[00:23:57] because they're all reading over
[00:23:58] each other shoulder
[00:24:00] and maybe Claire's like
[00:24:01] I just have three questions to ask you.
[00:24:02] Do you believe in a woman's right to choose?
[00:24:04] Just like all these are like really crazy
[00:24:08] highfalutin questions
[00:24:09] based off the short story.
[00:24:10] Yes.
[00:24:11] Great.
[00:24:11] Good stuff.
[00:24:12] Yeah, good stuff.
[00:24:13] This this this has made me
[00:24:14] really want to rewatch Mistress America.
[00:24:16] It's been it's been a couple of years
[00:24:17] I think.
[00:24:18] Dude, it's fun.
[00:24:19] Yeah, it's fun.
[00:24:19] It's great.
[00:24:20] I'm glad I'm glad you see
[00:24:22] you see I don't know.
[00:24:23] It sounds like once you watch it again
[00:24:24] you're going to be much more into this movie.
[00:24:26] Yes.
[00:24:26] Yeah, I think I think really
[00:24:28] watching like I said rewatching
[00:24:30] Francis Ha like me
[00:24:31] and me realize like oh shit.
[00:24:33] Okay, this is how I react to
[00:24:35] Noah Baumbach's
[00:24:36] and specifically these Greta Gerwig
[00:24:37] movies I guess.
[00:24:38] Yeah.
[00:24:38] And then as I'm watching Mistress
[00:24:39] America in the first half
[00:24:40] like I'm re I'm feeling
[00:24:41] and thinking the same things
[00:24:42] that I was thinking during
[00:24:43] Francis Ha.
[00:24:44] So I'm like,
[00:24:44] okay, well experience tells me
[00:24:46] when I rewatch this
[00:24:47] I'm going to really enjoy
[00:24:48] I'm going to really enjoy this
[00:24:50] or enjoy that first half.
[00:24:51] The back the Greenwich part was
[00:24:53] great like on the first watch.
[00:24:54] Yeah.
[00:24:55] Had a lot of fun with that stuff.
[00:24:56] It was just the yeah,
[00:24:58] it's the build to that really.
[00:24:59] It's you have to kind of get
[00:25:01] through the first half which
[00:25:02] establishes all the characters
[00:25:03] establishes all the dynamics
[00:25:04] establishes the conflicts
[00:25:05] and what's going on.
[00:25:07] Really?
[00:25:07] I mean the greatest half
[00:25:08] adds like five more characters
[00:25:10] that you've only heard about.
[00:25:11] Exactly.
[00:25:12] Yeah.
[00:25:13] But just the the whole
[00:25:16] like insufferable
[00:25:18] self-important
[00:25:19] I'm smarter than everybody else
[00:25:21] English student thing.
[00:25:22] Right.
[00:25:24] Too close too close to home.
[00:25:25] Yeah, I think that's what's so
[00:25:26] funny about the movie to me
[00:25:27] too is that you know,
[00:25:29] it's like they're both
[00:25:30] like that's like they are
[00:25:31] both like very like
[00:25:32] self-aggrandizing and like
[00:25:34] yeah, yeah, like assuming
[00:25:35] they know better than
[00:25:36] everyone around them.
[00:25:37] A beret.
[00:25:39] All that kind of shit.
[00:25:42] Yeah, it's great.
[00:25:42] It's good stuff.
[00:25:43] Yeah, loved it.
[00:25:44] Any other thoughts about
[00:25:44] Mr.
[00:25:45] Smerick before you move on
[00:25:46] into the other movie?
[00:25:46] Not that I could think of
[00:25:47] right now.
[00:25:48] I'm glad you maybe watch it.
[00:25:49] I probably never would have
[00:25:49] really gotten around to these
[00:25:51] you know, that are just like
[00:25:52] genre mumblecore
[00:25:53] airquake whatever you want to
[00:25:54] call it.
[00:25:54] I don't know this kind of
[00:25:55] small indie dramedy
[00:25:56] thing from the 2010s.
[00:25:58] I guess there's a lot of them.
[00:26:00] Fair enough.
[00:26:00] Is it is a genre
[00:26:01] that I or like,
[00:26:03] you know, subset of movies
[00:26:04] or whatever that I
[00:26:05] enjoy mostly
[00:26:07] but don't really feel
[00:26:08] the like desire
[00:26:09] or pull to like make sure
[00:26:11] I see them.
[00:26:11] You know,
[00:26:12] so I'm glad that you're
[00:26:13] using the Mike makes Mike
[00:26:14] watch opportunity
[00:26:15] to force me to see some of
[00:26:16] them.
[00:26:17] Yeah, I'm not even sure
[00:26:18] I would call this like a
[00:26:18] mumblecore.
[00:26:19] It's not really.
[00:26:20] I mean, Francis,
[00:26:21] how more so?
[00:26:22] But even that like it's a
[00:26:23] credit各位 like a no bomb
[00:26:24] back word both like,
[00:26:25] you know, key members of
[00:26:26] the mumblecore
[00:26:28] movements.
[00:26:28] But I think at this point
[00:26:29] they kind of move beyond
[00:26:30] it.
[00:26:31] But yeah,
[00:26:32] and I think this is a movie
[00:26:33] like of all the
[00:26:34] credit growing no bomb
[00:26:35] back movies.
[00:26:35] This is the one that I feel
[00:26:36] like people more need to see
[00:26:37] you know,
[00:26:38] I mean,
[00:26:38] you know,
[00:26:38] the the girl with movies
[00:26:39] Lady Bird,
[00:26:40] Little Women,
[00:26:40] Barbie,
[00:26:41] obviously they're big.
[00:26:42] They're huge.
[00:26:43] Everybody saw those
[00:26:44] and Francis Ha,
[00:26:45] you know,
[00:26:45] has always been like
[00:26:47] pretty well like well
[00:26:48] light well received
[00:26:49] and you know,
[00:26:50] it has criterion disc
[00:26:51] and like it's it's
[00:26:51] discussed often.
[00:26:52] Right.
[00:26:53] I feel like Mistress
[00:26:54] America is the forgotten
[00:26:55] one.
[00:26:55] It kind of came kind of
[00:26:56] came without a trace
[00:26:57] like didn't really get
[00:26:58] too much of a theatrical
[00:26:59] release and you know,
[00:27:00] it's it's it's the
[00:27:01] one that I think is the
[00:27:01] best.
[00:27:02] It's so good.
[00:27:02] Yeah.
[00:27:03] Yeah.
[00:27:03] I mean,
[00:27:03] I liked it.
[00:27:03] I like it.
[00:27:04] Not not quite like that,
[00:27:05] but I liked it so far.
[00:27:06] I'm glad.
[00:27:07] Yeah.
[00:27:07] I think once you watch
[00:27:09] it again,
[00:27:09] it's gonna be a full
[00:27:09] five stars from
[00:27:11] it's gonna be my whole
[00:27:12] personality.
[00:27:13] Yeah,
[00:27:13] exactly.
[00:27:14] So yeah,
[00:27:14] that is Mistress
[00:27:15] America the no bomb
[00:27:16] back credit growing film.
[00:27:18] And now let's move on
[00:27:19] into the movie that
[00:27:19] you made me watch
[00:27:20] this week,
[00:27:20] Mike,
[00:27:21] which is The
[00:27:22] Pelican Brief
[00:27:24] from the best-selling
[00:27:25] thriller by John
[00:27:26] Grisham,
[00:27:27] author of The
[00:27:28] Firm and The
[00:27:29] Client from Alan
[00:27:31] J.
[00:27:31] Bakula,
[00:27:32] director of All
[00:27:33] the President's
[00:27:34] Men and Presumed
[00:27:35] Innocent.
[00:27:38] Julia Roberts,
[00:27:39] Denzel Washington,
[00:27:41] the Supreme Court
[00:27:42] of the United
[00:27:43] States,
[00:27:44] our ultimate symbol
[00:27:45] of law and order.
[00:27:47] But in a single
[00:27:47] night,
[00:27:48] two of its justices
[00:27:49] will be brutally
[00:27:50] assassinated.
[00:27:54] A thousand miles
[00:27:55] away in New
[00:27:56] Orleans,
[00:27:57] a lone law
[00:27:58] student has
[00:27:58] pieced together
[00:27:59] who did the
[00:28:00] killings
[00:28:02] and why
[00:28:05] and created a
[00:28:06] document that
[00:28:06] has become known
[00:28:07] in the corridors
[00:28:08] of power
[00:28:09] as The Pelican
[00:28:11] Brief.
[00:28:14] Now,
[00:28:15] she has become a
[00:28:16] target and the
[00:28:17] only person she
[00:28:18] can trust is an
[00:28:19] investigative
[00:28:20] journalist.
[00:28:21] Everyone I've
[00:28:21] told about The
[00:28:22] Brief is dead.
[00:28:24] If this thing reaches
[00:28:25] as deep and goes
[00:28:26] as high as we
[00:28:26] think it does,
[00:28:28] these men will do
[00:28:28] anything not to be
[00:28:29] exposed.
[00:28:38] Julia Roberts,
[00:28:40] Denzel Washington,
[00:28:42] The Pelican
[00:28:43] Brief.
[00:28:46] All right.
[00:28:46] That was from the
[00:28:47] trailer from The
[00:28:48] Pelican Brief
[00:28:49] from 1993,
[00:28:50] directed by Alan J.
[00:28:51] Peculia and starring
[00:28:52] Julia Roberts
[00:28:53] and Denzel Washington,
[00:28:55] among others.
[00:28:55] I did like,
[00:28:56] you know,
[00:28:57] one of my favorite
[00:28:57] things that happens
[00:28:58] this often happens
[00:28:59] with Mike Makes
[00:29:00] Mike Watch movies,
[00:29:00] I feel like,
[00:29:01] is when the
[00:29:01] opening credits
[00:29:02] start rolling
[00:29:03] and
[00:29:04] and I don't know
[00:29:05] who else is in the
[00:29:06] movie.
[00:29:08] I don't know
[00:29:09] who else is in the
[00:29:09] movie and I'm
[00:29:10] suddenly like,
[00:29:11] oh yeah,
[00:29:11] Denzel Washington,
[00:29:12] there he is,
[00:29:12] Julia Roberts,
[00:29:13] oh Sam Shepard's
[00:29:14] in this movie,
[00:29:15] John Heard,
[00:29:16] Stanley Tucci,
[00:29:18] John Lithgow,
[00:29:19] just like,
[00:29:23] that was fun.
[00:29:23] I enjoyed
[00:29:24] that aspect of it,
[00:29:25] but why The
[00:29:26] Pelican Brief,
[00:29:27] Mike?
[00:29:27] Why did you want to
[00:29:28] make me watch this
[00:29:28] movie?
[00:29:29] Well,
[00:29:29] I watched this movie
[00:29:30] for the first time
[00:29:32] like six-ish
[00:29:33] months ago,
[00:29:33] maybe,
[00:29:34] and you talked about
[00:29:35] it in a discussions
[00:29:35] episode,
[00:29:36] I think,
[00:29:36] on the podcast.
[00:29:36] Yes.
[00:29:37] Yeah.
[00:29:37] Yeah.
[00:29:37] And I really
[00:29:38] enjoyed it.
[00:29:38] I had a total
[00:29:39] blast and it was a,
[00:29:40] I think I saw it
[00:29:41] because it was on a
[00:29:42] John Grisham
[00:29:43] episode of
[00:29:45] Screen Drafts,
[00:29:46] is where they
[00:29:46] talked about it.
[00:29:47] And I had heard
[00:29:48] The Pelican Brief,
[00:29:48] like the title,
[00:29:50] had never seen it,
[00:29:51] didn't really know
[00:29:51] anything about it.
[00:29:52] So when they discussed
[00:29:53] on that movie
[00:29:54] and they're like,
[00:29:54] oh,
[00:29:55] it's a kind of,
[00:29:56] you know,
[00:29:56] conspiracy thriller
[00:29:57] from the guy who
[00:29:59] sort of made those,
[00:30:00] that genre,
[00:30:00] right?
[00:30:01] Like,
[00:30:01] Pekula,
[00:30:02] with Three Days of the Condor
[00:30:04] and Parallax View
[00:30:05] and Clute,
[00:30:06] I think,
[00:30:06] is the like Paranoia
[00:30:07] trilogy or something,
[00:30:08] right?
[00:30:08] Correct.
[00:30:09] Yeah.
[00:30:10] So,
[00:30:10] yeah,
[00:30:10] Clute coming up
[00:30:11] on the Roy Scheider podcast.
[00:30:13] On the Roy Scheider,
[00:30:14] I'm going to,
[00:30:14] I'm going to retroactively
[00:30:15] pretend that I planned that.
[00:30:17] Yeah.
[00:30:17] Where it's like,
[00:30:17] oh,
[00:30:18] right as we're coming up
[00:30:19] to start recording
[00:30:20] the episode for Clute,
[00:30:21] Yep.
[00:30:21] We're going to watch
[00:30:22] a Alan J. Pekula film.
[00:30:23] It's going to be great,
[00:30:24] even though I picked this
[00:30:25] in January before
[00:30:26] Roy Scheider
[00:30:28] had even been selected
[00:30:29] as the,
[00:30:29] had even been
[00:30:30] a twinkle in our eyes.
[00:30:33] But,
[00:30:34] yeah,
[00:30:34] and just the movie,
[00:30:35] Denzel Washington
[00:30:36] and Julie Roberts,
[00:30:37] just like,
[00:30:37] I don't know,
[00:30:38] this feels like the,
[00:30:39] you know,
[00:30:39] one of those,
[00:30:40] we used to have movies,
[00:30:41] never forgot,
[00:30:42] never forget what they took
[00:30:43] from us.
[00:30:43] We don't get movies
[00:30:44] like this anymore,
[00:30:45] kind of movies.
[00:30:46] Yeah.
[00:30:46] And I really loved it,
[00:30:47] and I thought you would love it.
[00:30:48] And so here it is.
[00:30:50] All right.
[00:30:51] Well,
[00:30:51] I will say,
[00:30:52] unfortunately,
[00:30:52] Mike,
[00:30:52] I didn't love it.
[00:30:53] So here's the thing.
[00:30:54] I rewatched it.
[00:30:55] I don't know if I love it either.
[00:30:56] Really?
[00:30:58] It's a little long.
[00:30:59] It's really long.
[00:31:00] It's really long.
[00:31:01] Pelican brief.
[00:31:03] More like the Pelican
[00:31:04] two hours and 20 minutes.
[00:31:06] Yeah.
[00:31:07] That's maybe the thing.
[00:31:09] I think I was so enamored
[00:31:10] with,
[00:31:10] we don't have these anymore
[00:31:11] the first time I watched it.
[00:31:12] And then I watched it again.
[00:31:13] And I was like,
[00:31:14] maybe we should have
[00:31:15] cut this down a little.
[00:31:17] That's it.
[00:31:18] I did.
[00:31:18] I did enjoy it.
[00:31:19] I didn't dislike the movie.
[00:31:20] I had a fine time with it.
[00:31:21] You know,
[00:31:21] I enjoyed the film.
[00:31:22] I'm glad you made me watch it.
[00:31:24] You know,
[00:31:24] it's a Denzel Julia Roberts
[00:31:26] that I hadn't seen before.
[00:31:27] And I think my biggest takeaway
[00:31:29] from this movie is
[00:31:30] not necessarily,
[00:31:31] I mean,
[00:31:31] yes,
[00:31:31] it's cool that like,
[00:31:32] you know,
[00:31:33] this movie exists
[00:31:33] and we don't really make
[00:31:34] a lot of movies like this anymore.
[00:31:35] That's great.
[00:31:36] But like,
[00:31:37] we also don't have movie stars.
[00:31:39] That's a hunt.
[00:31:39] So true.
[00:31:41] And that's what really powers
[00:31:42] the Pelican Breed.
[00:31:43] Because you got Denzel Washington
[00:31:44] and you got Julia Roberts
[00:31:45] doing their thing.
[00:31:47] You know what else?
[00:31:47] And they're both terrific in it.
[00:31:48] They're both great.
[00:31:49] We don't have movie stars
[00:31:50] and sort of like
[00:31:51] what you were talking about before.
[00:31:52] We also don't have
[00:31:53] 100 character actors.
[00:31:57] Everyone else in this movie
[00:31:58] is like,
[00:31:59] oh shit,
[00:31:59] it's that guy.
[00:32:00] Even if you don't know their name.
[00:32:01] There's so many of them in this movie.
[00:32:03] Like,
[00:32:03] John Lithgow shows up
[00:32:04] for 10 minutes
[00:32:05] and the other lawyers
[00:32:08] that are like the,
[00:32:10] that's,
[00:32:10] oh man,
[00:32:11] I can't remember anybody's name.
[00:32:12] The guy Garcia,
[00:32:12] like the informant guy
[00:32:14] that he works for
[00:32:16] that is on the phone
[00:32:17] with Denzel at the end.
[00:32:18] Or he's like,
[00:32:18] we're going to sue you till Sunday
[00:32:20] and we're going to own the Washington Post
[00:32:21] by the end of this movie.
[00:32:22] The thing.
[00:32:22] It's Jake Webber
[00:32:23] as the actor's name.
[00:32:24] That guy,
[00:32:25] he's in everything.
[00:32:25] Like it's just a bunch of dudes like that.
[00:32:27] He's the dude from Dawn of the Dead.
[00:32:28] Right.
[00:32:29] Exactly.
[00:32:30] Yeah.
[00:32:31] It's all coming together.
[00:32:34] Yes.
[00:32:34] No.
[00:32:34] And yeah,
[00:32:35] we need more movie stars.
[00:32:36] We need more great character actors.
[00:32:37] I mean,
[00:32:38] we did have,
[00:32:38] you know,
[00:32:39] we had Oppenheimer last year,
[00:32:40] which as we talked about,
[00:32:42] pretty extensively,
[00:32:43] that's a,
[00:32:43] that's a big that guy movie.
[00:32:45] It's been 20 years
[00:32:46] since we've had so many that guys
[00:32:47] in a movie as the Pelican Brief.
[00:32:51] 30 years.
[00:32:51] I mean,
[00:32:52] 30 years.
[00:32:52] Yeah.
[00:32:52] And it's different.
[00:32:53] Like it feels different than like,
[00:32:55] you know,
[00:32:55] like Wes Anderson movies often have
[00:32:56] like a huge ensemble of characters.
[00:32:58] But yeah,
[00:32:58] I think those feel different
[00:33:00] because usually it's the same actors
[00:33:03] that are like our movie to movie.
[00:33:04] And also they're usually like fairly big people.
[00:33:07] Like usually A-list people
[00:33:08] showing up in the ensemble
[00:33:09] in a Wes Anderson movie.
[00:33:10] Exactly.
[00:33:11] Yeah.
[00:33:11] You know,
[00:33:11] you got Tom Hanks and Asteroid City
[00:33:13] popping up and all that stuff.
[00:33:14] But you know,
[00:33:15] Oppenheimer was true.
[00:33:16] Like,
[00:33:16] oh hey,
[00:33:17] here's Josh Hartnett.
[00:33:18] Here's,
[00:33:18] you know,
[00:33:19] all these like,
[00:33:20] David Krumholtz.
[00:33:21] Yeah,
[00:33:21] David Krumholtz
[00:33:22] and Rami Malek's in here.
[00:33:23] And you know,
[00:33:24] we didn't want him,
[00:33:25] but everybody else is,
[00:33:29] the recurring hatred of Rami Malek
[00:33:31] continues on this podcast.
[00:33:32] Enemy of the Pod.
[00:33:32] Enemy of the Pod.
[00:33:36] But yeah,
[00:33:36] Pelican Brief has that aspect of it.
[00:33:38] And a lot of the movies
[00:33:39] that you've made me watch,
[00:33:40] like Crimson Tide,
[00:33:41] like for example,
[00:33:42] is another one of those movies,
[00:33:43] which is like,
[00:33:43] oh yeah,
[00:33:43] here's a bunch of,
[00:33:44] bunch of great actors
[00:33:45] just popping up for,
[00:33:46] you know,
[00:33:46] bit parts here and there,
[00:33:48] which is very fun to see.
[00:33:49] But yeah,
[00:33:50] I enjoyed the Pelican Brief.
[00:33:51] I thought it was solid enough,
[00:33:52] but yeah,
[00:33:52] it does feel very long.
[00:33:54] And I think a lot of it
[00:33:55] is because,
[00:33:56] man, most like,
[00:33:57] it is about a conspiracy
[00:33:59] that goes all the way to the top.
[00:34:00] And that is
[00:34:01] inherently exciting.
[00:34:02] That's,
[00:34:02] Yeah.
[00:34:02] You know,
[00:34:03] one of those things like,
[00:34:03] oh yeah.
[00:34:04] And I think the,
[00:34:04] the premise of the movie,
[00:34:05] it starts off great.
[00:34:06] You got these two Supreme Court justices.
[00:34:10] It's great.
[00:34:12] This is awesome.
[00:34:13] Sounds great.
[00:34:14] And Julia Roberts,
[00:34:15] like kind of figures out,
[00:34:16] like writes a legal brief,
[00:34:17] like her,
[00:34:18] like her theory on why they were killed.
[00:34:20] And turns out,
[00:34:21] she got too close to the truth.
[00:34:23] And I love the,
[00:34:24] the accidental nature by which
[00:34:27] that gets turned into something official,
[00:34:28] right?
[00:34:29] She gives it,
[00:34:29] once she's having an affair
[00:34:30] with her law professor,
[00:34:32] who's great,
[00:34:33] who is friends with a guy
[00:34:34] who's like a chief counsel in the FBI.
[00:34:36] And he was just like,
[00:34:37] man,
[00:34:37] isn't this funny?
[00:34:38] Look at this thing my girlfriend wrote.
[00:34:40] And he's like,
[00:34:40] oh interesting.
[00:34:43] And like it,
[00:34:43] and then that's how the brief gets on the radar,
[00:34:45] right?
[00:34:46] And they were right.
[00:34:46] And that's how they know,
[00:34:47] they know that she got too close.
[00:34:49] Yes.
[00:34:49] And then,
[00:34:50] you know,
[00:34:51] how many times can you hear the phrase,
[00:34:52] the Pelican brief in a single movie?
[00:34:55] It's so funny.
[00:34:57] Also,
[00:34:57] I assumed that the Pelican brief was like a code for something.
[00:35:01] That's my favorite part.
[00:35:02] I didn't know it was actually about pelicans.
[00:35:04] It's literally about pelicans.
[00:35:07] Yeah.
[00:35:07] And I mean,
[00:35:08] I love the kind of control of that.
[00:35:11] Like that knowledge in them,
[00:35:12] like within the movie,
[00:35:13] I think is really interesting.
[00:35:15] Of like what is exactly the Pelican brief is and says
[00:35:19] and claims that has everyone so panicked.
[00:35:21] Yeah.
[00:35:22] And I think one of the other very interesting things
[00:35:24] about watching this movie in 2024 is that it opens
[00:35:27] with massive like protests in front of the Supreme Court
[00:35:31] like on the steps.
[00:35:32] And it is all literally the exact same shit that
[00:35:35] everybody is protesting now.
[00:35:36] And it is the most depressing thing I've ever seen in a movie.
[00:35:39] I will say yes that but also it's not an organized protest.
[00:35:44] It is it is the most like nobody's protesting against one
[00:35:48] thing.
[00:35:49] You know,
[00:35:49] this is like this is a protest where it's like,
[00:35:52] oh yeah,
[00:35:52] here's a protest sign about abortion right next to them.
[00:35:55] Here's a protest sign about gun control right next
[00:35:57] like it's all about different things that they're protesting.
[00:35:59] Right?
[00:36:00] AIDS crisis like literally every like,
[00:36:02] oh my fucking God.
[00:36:04] Man and yeah,
[00:36:08] I was watching it with some friends that we were like,
[00:36:10] remember remember when the idea that it went all the way
[00:36:12] to the top might be scandalous.
[00:36:14] Like like what now we're just assuming like,
[00:36:17] oh yeah,
[00:36:17] everything goes all the way to the it just does like
[00:36:20] we just know that it did.
[00:36:22] Yes,
[00:36:22] and we're just meant to keep sending emails at work,
[00:36:26] which is crazy to think about.
[00:36:28] So yeah,
[00:36:28] I mean,
[00:36:28] it was just very funny watching this movie and it pans over
[00:36:30] that crowd and it's like,
[00:36:31] oh and there's Greenpeace and like save the world like it's
[00:36:35] and it's like environmental thing.
[00:36:36] It's it's everything's the exact same.
[00:36:39] And yeah,
[00:36:39] and the idea that it's all about like elicits campaign
[00:36:44] contributions.
[00:36:46] It's just like sitting there like pulling your hair out
[00:36:48] like no people used to care about this thing.
[00:36:52] I don't understand.
[00:36:53] Yeah,
[00:36:54] and it doesn't what happens the president at the end
[00:36:55] of this movie.
[00:36:56] He like he's going down right?
[00:36:59] Like yeah,
[00:37:00] the brief is coming comes out.
[00:37:02] He's not running for re-election.
[00:37:03] Right,
[00:37:04] you know people had shame.
[00:37:06] That's the thing if it would resign if the exact plot
[00:37:09] of the Pelican brief happened in real life today,
[00:37:12] which I think it has I think it did.
[00:37:14] Yeah,
[00:37:14] we're living through it right now.
[00:37:16] Yeah,
[00:37:16] you know like it wouldn't go down that way.
[00:37:18] The president would just be like,
[00:37:19] nope,
[00:37:19] that didn't happen and then just continue on.
[00:37:21] Yeah,
[00:37:22] yeah,
[00:37:22] fake news and doesn't really matter.
[00:37:25] So yeah,
[00:37:25] we saw what happens when the you know that that
[00:37:28] journalism doesn't care or people don't care about your
[00:37:30] I don't know how to we don't need to get civil war.
[00:37:37] But yeah,
[00:37:38] I like I was so blown away the first time just
[00:37:41] because it is like,
[00:37:41] you know pretty intense political conspiracy thriller
[00:37:44] thing.
[00:37:45] But it's kind of long.
[00:37:46] So I don't know.
[00:37:47] It's a yeah,
[00:37:48] I mean I ended up watching this.
[00:37:50] I think I started it at like midnight.
[00:37:54] And and yeah,
[00:37:55] so I finished it at about 230.
[00:37:57] I did not check the runtime beforehand and I should have
[00:38:00] but in my head.
[00:38:01] I was like,
[00:38:01] this has got to be under two hours.
[00:38:02] It's got to be 90 minutes,
[00:38:04] right?
[00:38:04] Come on.
[00:38:05] And yeah,
[00:38:06] it's just simply not and the thing is there's some
[00:38:07] great sequences in the movie.
[00:38:08] I think the the car explosion sequence is really great.
[00:38:11] Yeah,
[00:38:11] the scene of the parking garage is is really terrific
[00:38:14] where they're being chased.
[00:38:15] That's a lot of cool stuff like that.
[00:38:17] But like 80% of the movie is mostly people like in
[00:38:21] rooms,
[00:38:22] which is not necessarily a bad thing.
[00:38:23] But I think I think in this movie,
[00:38:24] it feels a little dull.
[00:38:25] It feels a little dry,
[00:38:26] you know,
[00:38:26] yeah,
[00:38:27] yeah,
[00:38:27] there's something about also Cynthia Nixon's in the
[00:38:30] beginning of this movie.
[00:38:30] That's cool.
[00:38:31] Yeah,
[00:38:31] there's something about this movie that it sort of has
[00:38:35] the things that are usually very taut and exciting like
[00:38:38] people going through,
[00:38:39] you know,
[00:38:39] like the stacks in a library or like microfiche
[00:38:43] or whatever,
[00:38:43] you know,
[00:38:43] like they're doing they're doing that they're doing
[00:38:45] that stuff.
[00:38:46] But but maybe that's just too much in between those
[00:38:49] moments that are very exciting.
[00:38:50] I can't even really point to like a specifically boring
[00:38:53] section or anything.
[00:38:54] It's just a lot going on because it's a very
[00:38:56] sprawling conspiracy,
[00:38:57] I guess.
[00:38:58] You know,
[00:38:59] yeah,
[00:39:00] and Alan J.
[00:39:00] Peculia great filmmaker,
[00:39:02] you know,
[00:39:02] he like like you said,
[00:39:03] he did the paranoia trilogy.
[00:39:04] It was Clute,
[00:39:05] parallax view all the presidents men.
[00:39:07] These are like three all-timer 70s thriller movies,
[00:39:10] right?
[00:39:10] Like these are these are big and yeah,
[00:39:12] he worked in other films.
[00:39:13] I think Sophie's Choice was also one of his
[00:39:15] movies,
[00:39:15] but the Pelican Brief is one of his last films.
[00:39:17] This is one of his final films and yeah to that
[00:39:20] end.
[00:39:20] I think he's he like does a very effective job at
[00:39:22] staging certain sequences that are like really
[00:39:24] intense and really cool.
[00:39:25] But I think there's you know,
[00:39:27] less care given perhaps to some other sequences
[00:39:29] that are like,
[00:39:30] oh this this feels flabby.
[00:39:31] I don't know.
[00:39:31] This feels like it could have been cut down.
[00:39:33] Yeah,
[00:39:33] I mean,
[00:39:33] it's it's crazy too in a movie to have with
[00:39:36] Denzel Washington and Julia Roberts for like
[00:39:39] the first hour.
[00:39:40] They're an A and B plot to each other like
[00:39:43] they don't they don't meet up until about
[00:39:44] halfway through the movie.
[00:39:45] Yeah.
[00:39:45] Yeah,
[00:39:46] it takes a real long time before they finally
[00:39:47] meet and discuss what the Pelican Brief is.
[00:39:50] He's he's like doing a totally other journalism
[00:39:52] got nothing to do with this until Julia
[00:39:55] Roberts character calls him and is like,
[00:39:57] do you want to be in this movie?
[00:39:58] It's like do you want to be involved in this
[00:40:01] plot?
[00:40:02] And yeah,
[00:40:02] and then and then from there they're they're
[00:40:04] great together.
[00:40:04] It's incredible,
[00:40:05] you know,
[00:40:05] yeah,
[00:40:05] yeah,
[00:40:05] they're really fun together and they're both
[00:40:07] great individually like it's this is a very
[00:40:09] young Denzel Washington.
[00:40:10] Yeah,
[00:40:11] and yeah,
[00:40:12] and this is like Julia Roberts at the height
[00:40:13] of her fame too.
[00:40:14] This is like post-pretty woman and so yeah,
[00:40:16] it's Denzel Washington.
[00:40:17] I think I think Malcolm X was like the year
[00:40:18] before this and so yeah,
[00:40:20] so it's a super young Denzel Washington.
[00:40:22] He's killing it.
[00:40:23] He's great.
[00:40:23] Great to see him in here.
[00:40:25] And yeah,
[00:40:26] I think they both play off each other really
[00:40:27] well and I think the the last few moments
[00:40:30] of the movie which shows what happens to
[00:40:31] them afterwards are really effective because
[00:40:34] of how charismatic they are.
[00:40:35] Yeah,
[00:40:35] where Denzel Washington's on the news
[00:40:37] and they're asking like,
[00:40:38] oh,
[00:40:38] but you know who wrote the Pelican brief
[00:40:40] and he's like,
[00:40:41] I'll never say.
[00:40:44] Yeah,
[00:40:44] I mean for him to like her to be watching
[00:40:46] like,
[00:40:47] I don't know what is that like Charlie Rose
[00:40:48] or whatever she's why I don't even know
[00:40:49] what it is and for him to like smile
[00:40:51] at the camera on like in on the TV set
[00:40:54] and for her to smile at the camera
[00:40:56] in the movie and then just like fade
[00:40:57] out on her smile is like movie stars,
[00:41:00] man.
[00:41:00] Yeah,
[00:41:01] and to that end.
[00:41:02] Yeah,
[00:41:02] this this is a movie powered by its
[00:41:03] movie stars.
[00:41:04] This was the 10th highest grossing
[00:41:06] movie of 1993.
[00:41:08] Wow.
[00:41:09] Yeah,
[00:41:09] that do you want to know what the
[00:41:10] other movies over Mike just said love
[00:41:11] to okay.
[00:41:12] I think you can guess what number one
[00:41:13] is Jurassic Park.
[00:41:15] Correct.
[00:41:15] Yeah,
[00:41:16] no,
[00:41:16] no,
[00:41:16] but imagine I said that so confidently
[00:41:18] and it was wrong.
[00:41:20] Yeah,
[00:41:21] Jurassic Park was the highest gross movie
[00:41:22] 1993 also at the time the
[00:41:24] highest grossing movie ever and then
[00:41:26] number two is actually a movie that
[00:41:28] we have referenced on the complete
[00:41:31] works because we covered one of this
[00:41:33] directors other movies.
[00:41:34] Oh man,
[00:41:35] I don't know.
[00:41:36] I'm not going to put anything together.
[00:41:38] It's a Chris Columbus movie director
[00:41:40] of nine months.
[00:41:41] It's not months.
[00:41:42] It's not
[00:41:43] but Mrs.
[00:41:44] Doubtfire is the is number two
[00:41:46] and I think and I think when we
[00:41:48] talked about nine months,
[00:41:48] we were like man,
[00:41:49] how crazy is it that Mrs.
[00:41:50] Doubtfire was the second highest
[00:41:52] grossing movie of the
[00:41:54] probably definitely did.
[00:41:55] Yeah,
[00:41:56] you know,
[00:41:56] so it's Jurassic Park.
[00:41:57] Mrs.
[00:41:57] Doubtfire.
[00:41:58] The fugitive is number three
[00:42:00] Schindler's List is four to Spielberg's
[00:42:02] the firm is number five another
[00:42:04] John Grisham adaptation
[00:42:06] starring Tom Cruise in decent proposal
[00:42:08] cliffhanger is number seven
[00:42:10] sleepless in Seattle's eight
[00:42:12] Philadelphia is nine and the Pelican
[00:42:14] brief is 10.
[00:42:15] We used to be a society.
[00:42:17] It's all you know
[00:42:19] a lot of those are adaptations
[00:42:20] and stuff but but like I mean really
[00:42:23] you know two of them are right.
[00:42:24] It's yes.
[00:42:25] Jurassic Park is a book adaptation
[00:42:27] that became a huge franchise
[00:42:28] but it wasn't at the time.
[00:42:29] Well the firm and also Pelican
[00:42:31] brief or sure.
[00:42:32] Yes,
[00:42:34] yeah,
[00:42:34] I guess the book adaptation.
[00:42:35] Sure,
[00:42:35] but I was I was thinking
[00:42:36] Jurassic Park and the fugitive
[00:42:37] or like the two like traditional
[00:42:39] like blockbuster type things here
[00:42:41] cliffhanger also but that's an
[00:42:42] original concept.
[00:42:43] Yeah,
[00:42:44] also it's the best movie ever
[00:42:47] did you ever see you see an Ace
[00:42:48] of Interra to you right?
[00:42:49] Yeah,
[00:42:50] I think we talked about this.
[00:42:51] We've done this before
[00:42:52] because I didn't was Cliffhanger
[00:42:54] and Mike makes Mike watch.
[00:42:55] Did you make me watch this for the podcast?
[00:42:57] No,
[00:42:57] I made you watch vertical limit that
[00:42:58] oh yeah,
[00:42:59] you definitely did that too.
[00:43:00] I mean I watched you know what
[00:43:01] I watched Cliffhanger on my own.
[00:43:02] I think yeah,
[00:43:03] then I talked about on the podcast
[00:43:04] and then I screened it as part
[00:43:06] of Inferno Danger at the Roxy
[00:43:07] which is a great time.
[00:43:08] I recommend watching Cliffhanger
[00:43:10] any time of the year.
[00:43:11] It's it's a good time.
[00:43:12] Double double Lithgow in the top 10
[00:43:14] good for him.
[00:43:14] Yeah,
[00:43:15] big year for John Lithgow.
[00:43:17] Yeah,
[00:43:17] double Lithgow,
[00:43:17] double Spielberg.
[00:43:18] Yeah,
[00:43:19] absolutely.
[00:43:19] Double Grishams.
[00:43:20] That's crazy.
[00:43:20] Double Grishams.
[00:43:21] Yeah.
[00:43:22] Yeah,
[00:43:22] I guess if you want to consider John Grisham
[00:43:24] a franchise the the firm
[00:43:26] in the Pelican brief.
[00:43:27] So many of his movie
[00:43:28] or so many of his books rather have become
[00:43:30] movies just like Crichton.
[00:43:31] Like it's yeah.
[00:43:32] Yeah,
[00:43:33] absolutely.
[00:43:33] They're there.
[00:43:34] But I think these are like
[00:43:35] these are kind of the two big ones,
[00:43:36] right?
[00:43:37] The firm in the Pelican brief.
[00:43:38] Yeah,
[00:43:38] I think so that I can think of off
[00:43:40] the top of my head that like I know
[00:43:41] these are Grisham right
[00:43:42] like without having to be like
[00:43:44] oh this is a John Grisham book
[00:43:45] but I know a lot of his his books
[00:43:47] become have become movies.
[00:43:48] Right.
[00:43:49] I think actually I believe
[00:43:51] we'll be talking about one of them later.
[00:43:52] Mike.
[00:43:52] If I if I if I have this correct,
[00:43:55] I have to double check by my
[00:43:57] my source of folio do
[00:43:59] from the past.
[00:44:00] He's dead.
[00:44:03] John Grisham.
[00:44:04] I have no idea is John Grisham dead.
[00:44:06] No John Grisham is very much alive.
[00:44:07] He's 69 years old.
[00:44:09] Come on.
[00:44:10] Come on.
[00:44:10] I know Michael Crichton's dead.
[00:44:12] Michael Crichton is dead.
[00:44:12] Yes.
[00:44:13] No Roy Scheider is
[00:44:15] in Francis Ford Coppola's
[00:44:17] The Rainmaker which is a John
[00:44:19] Grisham adaptation.
[00:44:20] Look at that.
[00:44:20] So yeah, we'll be talking more
[00:44:22] Grisham in the future.
[00:44:23] But yeah, the client is a John
[00:44:25] Grisham movie.
[00:44:26] The Runaway Jury skipping Christmas.
[00:44:31] Christmas with the Cranks.
[00:44:32] That can't be.
[00:44:33] That's what yes giving Christmas
[00:44:35] became the movie Christmas with the
[00:44:36] cranks.
[00:44:37] The secret John Grisham adaptation.
[00:44:39] Yeah, I believe according to Wikipedia
[00:44:42] the Christmas with the Cranks is the
[00:44:43] last John Grisham movie.
[00:44:45] Wild good for him.
[00:44:47] I guess
[00:44:48] I mean there could always be more
[00:44:49] down the line but there was
[00:44:51] a mini series based on
[00:44:53] The Innocent Man in 2018.
[00:44:55] So there was that.
[00:44:56] But yeah, the John Grisham things
[00:44:58] have to go to TV now.
[00:44:58] They have to become mini series.
[00:45:00] That's right.
[00:45:00] We can't just make the Pelican
[00:45:01] Brief anymore.
[00:45:02] We got to do other things.
[00:45:03] We can't just do another
[00:45:04] talented Mr.
[00:45:05] Ripley movie.
[00:45:05] We got to make Ripley the Netflix.
[00:45:07] Although I heard that rips.
[00:45:08] I have heard that's very good.
[00:45:09] Yes.
[00:45:09] Oh yeah, I'm excited to watch that.
[00:45:11] But yeah, I mean it's fun.
[00:45:13] It's fun that I accidentally
[00:45:14] picked a movie that has
[00:45:16] repercussions to two Roy Scheider
[00:45:18] projects.
[00:45:19] Yes.
[00:45:19] What was the other one again?
[00:45:20] Clute, Down to Cthulhu and Remaker.
[00:45:23] Yeah, there you go.
[00:45:23] So yeah, more more stuff coming
[00:45:26] down that is going to be related
[00:45:27] to Pelican Brief for sure.
[00:45:28] Other scenes.
[00:45:29] You rewatch this.
[00:45:30] I mean other scenes that
[00:45:31] stand out to you Mike about Pelican
[00:45:32] Brief in this that we should talk
[00:45:33] about.
[00:45:34] I mean Stanley Tucci is
[00:45:36] awesome.
[00:45:36] Yeah, he is the assassin.
[00:45:38] He's a very convincing
[00:45:40] but problematically
[00:45:42] Middle Eastern assassin.
[00:45:45] But he's scary as hell
[00:45:47] when he puts on that
[00:45:48] fake ass blonde wig to look
[00:45:50] just like a
[00:45:52] just like what DC guy,
[00:45:54] you know,
[00:45:55] and he kills the Supreme Court
[00:45:56] justice and then also the guy
[00:45:58] in the porn theater when he
[00:45:59] strangles him with the rope.
[00:46:00] That was cool.
[00:46:01] Yes.
[00:46:01] Was that not the other?
[00:46:02] That's the other Supreme Court
[00:46:03] justice.
[00:46:04] Okay.
[00:46:04] Yes.
[00:46:04] Okay.
[00:46:05] So that's fun.
[00:46:06] And yeah,
[00:46:07] and then when he replaces he
[00:46:09] kills and replaces John Hurd's
[00:46:10] character to like a meat derby
[00:46:12] right to meet Julia Roberts
[00:46:13] at the pier.
[00:46:14] But the CIA is protecting her.
[00:46:15] I think somebody is protecting
[00:46:17] her.
[00:46:17] I don't know.
[00:46:18] Kills kills him instead.
[00:46:19] Right.
[00:46:20] Rules.
[00:46:20] It's intense.
[00:46:21] Yeah, that's all great stuff.
[00:46:22] Yeah.
[00:46:22] Love Stanley Tucci popping up in
[00:46:24] this and yeah, he gets a lot
[00:46:25] of the most tense sequences in
[00:46:26] the movie,
[00:46:27] which are fun.
[00:46:28] I will say my favorite thing
[00:46:30] about having watched the Pelican
[00:46:31] Brief is now I can go back to
[00:46:33] the episode of 30 Rock where
[00:46:34] they keep referencing the
[00:46:35] Pelican Brief.
[00:46:36] Okay,
[00:46:37] that would be a 30 Rock
[00:46:38] episode.
[00:46:39] Yeah, it's a recurring bit on
[00:46:41] an episode of 30 Rock where
[00:46:42] people keep working the Pelican
[00:46:43] Brief into conversation.
[00:46:46] With the ultimate reveal being
[00:46:47] like, oh, it's been playing on
[00:46:47] Showtime a lot recently.
[00:46:49] Amazing.
[00:46:49] And so everybody's just been
[00:46:50] watching the Pelican Brief.
[00:46:51] But there's like a moment
[00:46:52] early in the episode where,
[00:46:53] you know, Jack is like having
[00:46:55] Kenneth like,
[00:46:55] you know, handle something
[00:46:56] discreet on the phone and
[00:46:58] kind of like,
[00:46:58] huh, I feel like I'm in the
[00:47:00] Pelican Brief.
[00:47:01] Do I already know too much?
[00:47:05] Amazing.
[00:47:05] So yeah, there's that.
[00:47:06] Honestly, the references aren't
[00:47:07] like they're not like hyper
[00:47:08] specific to the movie.
[00:47:09] So it's not like it's going
[00:47:10] to be I'm going to get more
[00:47:11] out of them,
[00:47:12] but it's just gonna be fun to
[00:47:13] be like, oh, now I've seen
[00:47:13] the Pelican Brief.
[00:47:14] I know I know that Julia
[00:47:15] and Denzel are in the movie.
[00:47:16] So now you can work the 30
[00:47:18] Rock referencing the Pelican
[00:47:20] referencing Pelican Brief into
[00:47:21] your conversation, the way
[00:47:23] they work Pelican Brief into
[00:47:24] the conversation in 30 Rock.
[00:47:27] Exactly.
[00:47:28] There's many layers to this.
[00:47:29] Yeah, you know too much.
[00:47:31] Yeah, exactly.
[00:47:31] All right.
[00:47:32] Any other random Pelican
[00:47:33] Brief thoughts, Mike?
[00:47:34] I think I, you know, I
[00:47:34] liked it.
[00:47:35] I had a good time with it.
[00:47:35] I'm glad you made me watch
[00:47:36] it.
[00:47:36] You know, I'm happy to cross
[00:47:38] off another Alan J.
[00:47:38] Pecula film off my list
[00:47:40] that I hadn't seen.
[00:47:41] It doesn't quite hit the
[00:47:41] heights of, you know, his three
[00:47:43] paranoia films from the
[00:47:44] 70s.
[00:47:45] But, you know, it's it's him
[00:47:46] kind of playing the hits a
[00:47:47] little bit and that's kind of
[00:47:48] fun.
[00:47:48] Yeah, it did make me kind of
[00:47:49] want to watch Dark Water.
[00:47:51] Is that what it's called?
[00:47:52] The Mark Ruffalo Todd
[00:47:54] Haines movie.
[00:47:54] Yeah, yes.
[00:47:55] Teflon movie.
[00:47:56] Which that movie rules.
[00:47:57] That movie is great.
[00:47:58] Yeah, I've seen that already,
[00:48:00] but I ended up watching this
[00:48:01] kind of late at,
[00:48:02] or maybe, I don't know.
[00:48:03] I don't remember.
[00:48:03] I didn't have a ton of time
[00:48:04] to watch that movie right
[00:48:06] afterwards.
[00:48:06] But another, another they
[00:48:08] knew.
[00:48:09] They knew.
[00:48:09] It goes all the way to the
[00:48:10] top.
[00:48:11] Yes, one of the very few
[00:48:12] that have been made in the
[00:48:13] last few years.
[00:48:14] That got a theatrical release
[00:48:16] and all that kind of stuff.
[00:48:17] I don't know.
[00:48:17] What are the other good
[00:48:18] examples of like this kind of
[00:48:19] movie, Mike?
[00:48:20] It's like Spotlight kind of
[00:48:21] since it's a journalism
[00:48:23] movie.
[00:48:24] It's less, less.
[00:48:25] I mean, I guess they knew
[00:48:27] all the way to the top of
[00:48:27] the church, right?
[00:48:28] It's not necessarily like a
[00:48:29] government conspiracy.
[00:48:30] Yes.
[00:48:31] All right.
[00:48:31] I found a letterbox
[00:48:33] list that is called
[00:48:34] They Knew.
[00:48:37] Incredible.
[00:48:38] Yeah, you know what it is
[00:48:38] like?
[00:48:39] It is the hits, but like
[00:48:41] people being chased through a
[00:48:42] parking garage, inherently
[00:48:43] exciting.
[00:48:44] Sure.
[00:48:44] Yeah, absolutely.
[00:48:45] And of course you get that
[00:48:46] all the president's men and
[00:48:47] other stuff too.
[00:48:48] But yeah, it's great.
[00:48:49] Good to see in the list.
[00:48:50] Dark Waters, number one
[00:48:51] movie in the list in the
[00:48:52] letterbox.
[00:48:53] Spotlight also here.
[00:48:54] Spielberg's The Post,
[00:48:56] the big shorts,
[00:48:57] Vice.
[00:48:57] I don't know if vice
[00:48:58] counts.
[00:48:58] I don't know.
[00:48:59] It's just a biopic about
[00:49:00] Dick Cheney.
[00:49:01] Yeah, wait a second.
[00:49:02] Fahrenheit 9-11,
[00:49:03] I guess.
[00:49:04] I guess that's that's
[00:49:05] a real life.
[00:49:07] They knew.
[00:49:07] But yeah, yeah.
[00:49:09] Snowden with Joseph Gordon
[00:49:10] Levitt.
[00:49:10] We talked about that movie.
[00:49:11] Once we talked about that
[00:49:12] movie.
[00:49:12] What's the name?
[00:49:13] Nicholas Cage is in it.
[00:49:14] All the president's men is
[00:49:15] here.
[00:49:15] Chernobyl, the TV show.
[00:49:17] Yeah, I guess.
[00:49:18] Yeah, I never watched it,
[00:49:19] but I heard it was good.
[00:49:20] Great.
[00:49:21] Can I make Mike's Watch
[00:49:23] be a five hour TV show?
[00:49:24] Who's to say?
[00:49:25] Sort of like a five hour movie.
[00:49:27] Aaron Brockovich is in here.
[00:49:30] Yeah, I don't know.
[00:49:31] I'm not sure if this list
[00:49:32] really like effectively
[00:49:33] captures that they knew as
[00:49:34] much as I want to.
[00:49:35] Three days of the Condor?
[00:49:37] Well yeah, three days of the
[00:49:38] Condor definitely.
[00:49:38] I mean all those like
[00:49:39] 70s paranoia films.
[00:49:40] Yeah, conversation.
[00:49:41] Yeah, good stuff.
[00:49:42] Yeah, but they're
[00:49:43] yeah, three days.
[00:49:44] I've told the story three
[00:49:45] days of the Condor about
[00:49:46] the mailman's shoes in
[00:49:48] that movie and my dad
[00:49:49] really likes that because
[00:49:50] he was a mailman.
[00:49:52] When they send the
[00:49:53] assassin dressed as a
[00:49:54] dressed as a mailman,
[00:49:55] right?
[00:49:55] They got the shoes,
[00:49:55] right?
[00:49:56] No, the shoes are wrong.
[00:49:58] Robert Redford looks
[00:49:59] down and realized that
[00:50:00] the guy is wearing brown
[00:50:01] shoes, but mailmen are
[00:50:02] always wearing black shoes
[00:50:03] and that's how he knows
[00:50:04] he's an assassin.
[00:50:05] And my dad, a former
[00:50:06] letter carrier, really
[00:50:07] appreciated that detail.
[00:50:11] So that's an insight
[00:50:12] into the mind of a dad.
[00:50:13] There you go.
[00:50:14] I love that.
[00:50:14] That's fantastic.
[00:50:15] That's it's in three
[00:50:16] days the condor, you said
[00:50:17] that's three days of the
[00:50:17] content.
[00:50:18] I've seen that but it's
[00:50:18] been a while.
[00:50:19] She watched when he's
[00:50:20] like staying with it
[00:50:21] like a Tanaway's
[00:50:22] apartment, right?
[00:50:23] Oh, you got a package
[00:50:24] you got a sign for and
[00:50:25] it's he's got brown
[00:50:25] shoes on dead giveaway.
[00:50:26] There you go.
[00:50:27] There it is.
[00:50:28] All right.
[00:50:28] I think we start
[00:50:29] wrapping up this episode
[00:50:29] Mike.
[00:50:30] I think from the
[00:50:30] call of the day,
[00:50:31] we're talking about
[00:50:32] the colors of shoes.
[00:50:33] Don't you want to
[00:50:33] talk more about
[00:50:36] I think we're done.
[00:50:37] Yes.
[00:50:38] All right.
[00:50:38] So that is the Pelican
[00:50:40] Breve and Mistress
[00:50:43] completed.
[00:50:44] There we did it.
[00:50:46] All right, Mike D.
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[00:51:42] rest of our
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[00:51:48] I think it's
[00:51:49] time for
[00:51:49] discussions.
[00:51:50] Yeah,
[00:51:50] sure.
[00:51:50] Yeah.
[00:51:51] I went to
[00:51:51] the movies
[00:51:52] twice in
[00:51:52] the last week.
[00:51:53] That's
[00:51:53] crazy.
[00:51:53] There you go.
[00:51:54] We have a
[00:51:54] brief preview
[00:51:55] of our
[00:51:55] Civil War
[00:51:56] thoughts in
[00:51:57] this episode,
[00:51:58] but maybe we'll
[00:51:58] go more
[00:51:59] in depth on
[00:52:00] that movie
[00:52:00] in our
[00:52:00] discussions
[00:52:01] episode next
[00:52:01] week.
[00:52:02] So yeah,
[00:52:02] look forward
[00:52:03] to that and
[00:52:04] talk about
[00:52:05] the first
[00:52:05] omen baby.
[00:52:05] Got to
[00:52:06] talk about
[00:52:06] the first
[00:52:06] omen.
[00:52:07] What a picture.
[00:52:08] Great movie.
[00:52:09] You like
[00:52:09] possession.
[00:52:10] You like
[00:52:10] Rosemary's
[00:52:10] baby.
[00:52:11] Go see
[00:52:11] the first
[00:52:11] omen.
[00:52:13] And
[00:52:14] not the
[00:52:14] first omen,
[00:52:15] the first
[00:52:15] omen.
[00:52:15] Yes.
[00:52:16] Watch the
[00:52:16] watch the
[00:52:17] first omen
[00:52:17] too.
[00:52:17] It's a
[00:52:18] pretty good
[00:52:18] movie,
[00:52:18] but
[00:52:19] the first
[00:52:19] omen
[00:52:19] too.
[00:52:20] I can't
[00:52:20] keep up.
[00:52:24] Yeah,
[00:52:25] one of my
[00:52:25] favorite things
[00:52:25] about the
[00:52:26] first,
[00:52:26] somebody
[00:52:26] pointed this
[00:52:26] out on
[00:52:27] Twitter
[00:52:27] and
[00:52:28] I
[00:52:28] forget who,
[00:52:34] to a scene
[00:52:35] in possession
[00:52:35] where she's
[00:52:36] kind of
[00:52:36] freaking out,
[00:52:37] flailing around
[00:52:37] and all that
[00:52:38] kind of
[00:52:38] stuff.
[00:52:38] And
[00:52:39] both about
[00:52:39] the same thing
[00:52:40] about this
[00:52:40] baby that's
[00:52:41] growing
[00:52:41] inside her
[00:52:41] and
[00:52:42] in
[00:52:42] possession.
[00:52:43] It's
[00:52:43] it's
[00:52:43] a baby
[00:52:44] Sam Neill.
[00:52:44] Like
[00:52:44] it's his
[00:52:45] baby
[00:52:45] that
[00:52:45] she's
[00:52:45] going to
[00:52:46] be giving
[00:52:46] birth to
[00:52:46] right
[00:52:47] in the
[00:52:48] first
[00:52:48] omen.
[00:52:49] Yeah,
[00:52:49] she's
[00:52:49] giving
[00:52:50] birth
[00:52:50] to
[00:52:50] Damien.
[00:52:51] You know,
[00:52:51] spoilers.
[00:52:53] I mean,
[00:52:53] it's
[00:52:53] called
[00:52:53] the
[00:52:53] first
[00:52:54] omen.
[00:52:54] You got
[00:52:54] it.
[00:52:55] Sam
[00:52:56] Neill
[00:52:56] played
[00:52:56] Damien
[00:52:56] in
[00:52:57] the
[00:52:58] omen
[00:52:58] three.
[00:52:59] Whoa.
[00:52:59] Crazy.
[00:53:00] The movies are back.
[00:53:01] The same
[00:53:02] Neill
[00:53:02] averse
[00:53:03] is alive
[00:53:03] and well
[00:53:04] in
[00:53:05] modern
[00:53:05] cinema.
[00:53:06] Incredible.
[00:53:07] So,
[00:53:08] yeah,
[00:53:08] we'll be talking
[00:53:09] about that
[00:53:09] and more
[00:53:10] next week
[00:53:10] in
[00:53:11] discussions.
[00:53:11] In the
[00:53:12] meantime,
[00:53:12] The Complete
[00:53:13] Works returning
[00:53:13] very
[00:53:14] soon
[00:53:14] for
[00:53:15] season
[00:53:15] four.
[00:53:16] We'll have a date
[00:53:16] on that one
[00:53:17] very shortly.
[00:53:17] And that
[00:53:18] is the end
[00:53:18] of this
[00:53:19] week's
[00:53:19] episode of
[00:53:20] Mike and
[00:53:20] Mike go to
[00:53:21] the movies.
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[00:53:22] other side.
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