28 Weeks Later (2007) / Brazil (1985)
The Complete Works: Roy ScheiderOctober 03, 202401:00:3469.34 MB

28 Weeks Later (2007) / Brazil (1985)

It's time for another Mike Makes Mike Watch! This week, Mike D is making Smith catch up with an underrated horror sequel (just in time for a new one coming out next year), 28 WEEKS LATER! Meanwhile, Smith is making Mike D finally watch Terry Gilliam's sci-fi masterpiece BRAZIL!

[00:00:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get together talk about the movies that we saw this week.

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have discussions, talk about news, we'll laugh a lot and act like these are sounds all never-guest or two sometimes it's just the two of us.

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll smack some jokes and tell some folks a co-log and I'm gonna ask, I can't my go to the movies, I can't my go to the movies.

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah!

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You have chosen wise.

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: What have they done with his podcast?

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a line from Brazil that, like, I've thought about all the time since I saw this movie but I was like 70.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like an ADR background line, like during a vision, I don't know if you remember it at all.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't know.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't know.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I watched this 48 hours ago and I can't play this anymore.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lie.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what time you were done with his body?

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I do know.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: For whatever reason that line has always stuck out to me and I know a lot of Brazilians and a lot of people who love Brazil.

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody has any idea what I'm talking about whenever.

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, smithin' join me as always is someone executing code red.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Mike Tishio.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_03]: How's you doing, Mike?

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing great.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_03]: All I could think about is a few good men every time they said that in this movie.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Did I say execute code red in a few good men?

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what they did so they ordered the code red.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the same thing.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been a while since I've seen that one too.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe it's time for Mike to make a mic for you watch.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: For a few good men.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember liking it a lot.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, me too.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was good, right?

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Tom Cruise, Jack Nicholson, the candle of truth.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's exactly.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And they got a source of truth.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's an air in the organ script.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Rob Reiner directed it.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's part of that like run of movies that Rob Reiner had where he was the best director on earth.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like 10 years.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I mean, the run Reiner filmography is like a really fascinating one I think because it is like six or seven like straight up all time classics in a row and then just like the hardest drop off to anyone's ever.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Just somehow to zero right?

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because it's, it's what this is spinal tap Princess bride, misery when Harry Mitsally, few good men.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think something else is in there too that I'm forgetting about but something in that vicinity, right?

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds correct.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds correct.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll see if pull out.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in 94, it's north.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like an immediate steep drop off for the queer Rob Reiner which is a shame.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He seems like a really genial, like fun guy.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, sometimes you hate to see it but it's just got to happen.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, absolutely.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: He's still made many, many stand by me.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the one that I think is a stand by me.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Stand by me is the one that I thought that I forgot.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And the sure thing which is movie I've never heard of.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe that's what through the cracks.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, maybe just because I don't know.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a junkie section.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, just not the right age.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe yeah, yeah, maybe it's something to rediscover down the line for us but in any case we're not talking about a Rob Reiner movie today.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, you know, it's crazy speaking about Rob Reiner movies.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's keep it going.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: From what I understand, the movie The Bucket List is the first recorded use of the phrase Bucket List, which is insane that they invented that for that movie.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And it just seems like it has existed for all few many times.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I remember when the Bucket List came out.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw it.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen the Bucket List?

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen it.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's an okay movie.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember being pretty fine.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it's okay.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a huge hit when it came out though.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was, you know, the old love.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The old loved the Bucket List.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It really spoke to the end.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't see it in theaters.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember seeing it on DVD like, you know, through Netflix by mail or something like that.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But I remember seeing trailers for the Bucket List and like that term,

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: like associating that term with that movie because I never heard it before.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And then years later, I would see people refer to a Bucket List,

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: like things they want to do before they die, but who have no idea that the movie even exists.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That's just like, that's just the term that exists.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But the term exists because of the movie.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Wild.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Insane to think about language is crazy.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It exists because of the movie and it's a movie that has not stayed in the culture

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: as long as the actual term has stayed.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's had lasting power beyond the power of the movie.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's cinema, baby.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It's wild.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, we're not here to talk about Bucket List.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_03]: That's our exclusive Patreon show.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: If we ever start a Patreon, the first thing we will do is talk about the Bucket List.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_03]: No, my Bucket List item for me is just to start a Patreon and tell us what we're talking about.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_03]: The Bucket List.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Bucket List, minute on the air.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the solid 100 episodes?

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Really breaking down the movie The Bucket List, which no one has watched since the year 2008.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure someone has made it.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be playing on like TNT at some point.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's got a big TBS after New Year, and energy.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: 100%.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: No, today we are talking about two very different movies from The Bucket List.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's time for Mike Mike watch where we each make each other watch something that the other

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: has never seen before.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we do this once a month, and this month I am making Mike D. Watch a movie that

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: was a huge movie for me when I was in high school in college.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: This was actually the very first Criterion Collection Blu-ray I ever bought.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And a Barnes and Noble sale.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It was before I knew I could buy them online.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I had just heard that the sale was happening.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So I went to my Barnes and Noble and bought one Blu-ray.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So what is a blind buy?

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm dipping my toes into larger, weirder cinema.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And Brazil was the movie that that was it.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a big movie for me and I really loved it.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And you had never seen it before.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So as many watched that this week.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a beautiful story, Mike.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, you're making me watch 28 weeks later.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The heights of weirder cinema.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But, explore it here on this episode.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, absolutely.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm excited to actually talk about that one because there's been a lot of developments

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: in the 28 blanks later universe in the last year or so.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll talk about that too.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But which of these movies would you like to have by first, Mike?

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess let's do 28 weeks later first.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do think there is some weirdly strong thematic connection between these two films.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I unfortunately did not get the chance to rewatch Brazil before this episode,

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: which I was pretty bound to bow because I wanted you to watch it because you had never seen it.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But I also wanted the excuse to rewatch it for myself because it's been like 10 years since I've seen it.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And think you might have even said, last time we talked about this off, Mike,

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_03]: that this will be the one you're going to rewatch because a lot of times you don't have time.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You're very busy man.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why you didn't have time to watch at this time.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're deep in the throws of the Montana Film Festival,

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: October 3rd through 6th at the Roxette Theatre of Missile Montana.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And also, I fucked off for a couple days this weekend to go see Green Day and see...

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You gotta do it sometimes.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, you gotta do it.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a good solo trip.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It was spiritually cleansing, I think.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you know, in a weird way.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But as a result, I could not rewatch Brazil for this podcast.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Or Roy Shirener movie.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not recording one this week for Roy Shirener.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, for Shirener.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're losing our lead a little bit there in terms of episodes that we've recorded ahead of time.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But hopefully we'll gain that back in the weeks to come.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But all right, let's do it.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about 28 weeks later.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I only choose Roy.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Mine's watching my 20.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Bits are especially low.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just an overnight.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Mine's watching my 20.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: They're very in quality.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Makes you the youngest person in the entire country.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_00]: You wish you all hated your lives.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was just so much.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: This is what it's all about, gentlemen.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Family started again.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You like it?

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It's amazing.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you going to sell us what happened to mum?

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It'll last infected human died six months again.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_06]: The infected.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: That's pretty nice.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_06]: That was it.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, that was in the trailer for 28 weeks later from 2007,

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: directed by one Carlos frenadillo.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I had seen 28 days later, which is the original movie in this series,

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: which was released 2002, written by Alex Garland and directed by Danny Boyle.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That was kind of a breakout movie for a few different people.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Danny Boyle had had a career before like he had done

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: train spotting already.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think this was like, I think 28 days might have been like the first major

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Alex Garland joint that he wrote, right?

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That I'm aware of off the top of my head.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He was an author first or something right?

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's written several novels, I think, and I was doing that while also

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: screenwriting.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he wrote the beach.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Now that I'm thinking about it, that's got, that's got a Carl and wife,

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Steve.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But 28 days was like a breakout horror hit and kind of like a

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: redefining of zombie cinema in a beard way.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they go fast now.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: They go fast now.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That was the big thing.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And there was a real zombie boom in the 2000s.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And part of that is because of 28 weeks later.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And then kind of followed that up with like Sean at the dead and

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: the Zack Snyder's gone at the dead remake and all that.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And so there was kind of like two categories of zombies now.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: There was slow zombies and fast zombies.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And 28 days later, firmly in the fast zombie category.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, that movie was a pretty big hit and so a sequel was commissioned.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I had seen 28 days.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But 28 weeks later came out five years later in 2007.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And it didn't have any of the original cast.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It did not have Danny Boyle directing.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He still produced it.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was not written by Alex Garland.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And so my I had never seen it.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was always like kind of interested.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But I was always like, it's probably not that good.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if nobody from the original movie is involved in this.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do I care?

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know?

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So why was 28 weeks later than the movie that you wanted to make me watch by?

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll just confirm 28 days later was Alex Garland's first screenplay.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's that.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we're going to put the beach on his shots.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I watched 28 weeks later.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I might have seen it first.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a very standalone sequel.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Basically, I'm not even sure.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I haven't seen 28 days and so long it might have referenced it in some small way.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think it really references it at all.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Not directly I don't see.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Other than the fact that there are in fact zombies and they've already been out doing their thing for a while.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think it...

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, I don't think there's any direct reference to it.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I think when 28 weeks later came out and then particularly on DVD and stuff was more around at the time.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like getting into horror movies and stuff.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it was like a newer, scary zombie movie thing.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then that thing where you're like, oh shit, there's a first one.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Right?

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of move because I just didn't know about 28 days later at that time.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I think this might have been the one I saw first out of the two.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's one of those movies that like, oh, it's pretty good.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And nobody really talks about it because obviously 28 days later as a foundational text of the post-2000, you know, like the post-911 horror movies and all that stuff.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, wrapped up in it.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It is so foundational and gives us the fast zombie and everything.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So that is obviously the more important work so to speak that this movie sort of gets overlooked.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think, you know, real ones now.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like you're a real one and you would have known.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're totally right in that regard that I am a real one.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the important part of it.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, correct.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: As long as we can just confirm we have that mic.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: 28 days later, I've seen a couple of times.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I have not watched it since college.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like at least.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I've always thought it was just okay.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Whoa.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I have always thought 28 days later is an okay movie with a couple of really good scenes.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the opening scene of 28 days later is iconic when Killy and Murphy just like exits the hospital and it's just like, you know, total empty and

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like the entire city has been like, you know, like just sort not really destroyed but it's empty.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Just abandoned.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, abandoned.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And I love that opening scene.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's, you know, been, you know, done several times and other different forms.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The pilot of the walking dead has like an homage to that scene.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same scene.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same scene.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And I like that scene.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I also really distinctly remember the scene where Brendan Leeson turns into his zombie.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Because man, that shit really hits very hard.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Brendan Leeson sells the shit out of the he's incredible.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a couple of scenes in 28 days later that I really really love.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_02]: If I go back to it, I might like it more.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But I remember at the time thinking, it's like, oh, it's okay to pretty good movie.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's got a couple of great scenes.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I thought it looked like trash.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like the point though.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was, you know, made on these like, you know, digital cameras, like, you know, handheld stuff like

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: at the time and I don't know.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I found that to not be great.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't crazy about that.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But I liked aspects of 28 days later.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked it well enough.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And 28 weeks later, going into it, I was like, okay, well, 28 days later, my memory of it

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: is that it's fine.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a couple of good scenes.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a very good time with 28 weeks later.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm gonna go out in the living and say, I might have liked it more than 28 days.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is a really, really solid zombie movie.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't be opening scene is fantastic.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the way it kind of just like drops you into the middle of it.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So the, the opening scene starts off at the 28 days later, Mark.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know that yet though.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think it says 28 days later and I'm confused.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, did I play on the wrong movie?

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's at the end of that sequence.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It says 28 days later.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And then it like jumps ahead again until it's like a montage to get you up to 28 weeks.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Also also one side note, you can't watch 28 days later anywhere, right, man?

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: 28 weeks later streaming on Hulu.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: 28 days later, impossible to find.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It is not streaming anywhere.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't rent it anywhere.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The DVD and Blu-ray is out of print.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck?

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: This has been a weird thing for a little while.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of nuts because it's sort of been a thing where like if you go to like any good will,

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: you could find like an easily find a copy of 28 days later,

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like a dollar there was so that it was such a popular DVD like when it came out.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But now it's, that's not the case.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And now it's like actually much harder to find 28 days later,

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: unless you go in a legal route, which you might have to do in order to watch 28 days later.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I assume with the new one coming out, which there is a 28 years later coming out next year

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: with Danny Boyle and Alex Darwin and Killing and Murphy all returning.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I assume with that new one coming out 28 days like Mike gets some kind of re-release.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It's got a great idea.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And I wonder how much of that is all wrapped up in the like mini DVD.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It can't be in a better quality than 48 EP or whatever because that's like how it was created.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way to enhance that.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it is just some weird rights issue.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's pretty kind of what it is.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, but 28 weeks later easily available.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I streamed it on who is where I watched it.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, right now I mean you could, you have a situation where like 28 weeks later could become

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: the more well known movie by virtue of just being the one that's more available.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I mean that happens.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think I think it's definitely maybe right for cultural re-a-praisal and re-discovery when you look at it.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And that cast is just absolutely stackful of stars now.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That was just sort of people in the, in the, what has a direct, direct video feel sequel to 28 days later.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Even though it's not that I think I think that's had a theatrical release.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I know this came out in theaters it did very well.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it had like had a budget like 15 million and it made like 65.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll see you know it did well did good.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah everybody in this cast is like, oh rose burns in this.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which she was also in sunshine the same year. So there's Danny Boyle connection happening there.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Jeremy Renner is in this and this is, this has got to be the earliest Jeremy Renner performance I've seen.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: She really broke out like two years later in the hurt locker right.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's like when he like and then it was like the town and then he got cast in Avengers and mission impossible and born and he was like the next big action star.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he wasn't the next big action star.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: He was the guy who was like supposed to take over all of the action franchises and all of the action franchise were like,

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: nope, no thanks.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But Jeremy Renner's in this address.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Is in this movie?

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That was of express.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine poots plays one of the main characters.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no I tell a ton of people just popping up in this movie that I was not expecting.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, Robert Carlisle at the beginning or as the father.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Robert Carlisle is amazing in this movie.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, unbelievable performance.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think part of what I liked so much about 28 weeks later is that it's built around this Robert Carlisle performance for the most part.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Or at least for like the first half of it.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where he's just like this unbelievable piece of shit.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: This is an absolute monster.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And very much reminded me of a force measure.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: If you ever saw that movie?

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not but I know what you're talking about.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Where the plot of force measure is that it's a family out on an out-to-not skiing trip or whatever, out on like a ski resort and there's a big avalanche.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And the dad, grads his phone and runs away from the family to save himself.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And then discovers that there was no actual avalanche.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like a test thing for the, and then the rest of the movie is the family like reckoning with the fact that the dad left them to die amazing.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: 28 weeks later did that years earlier with zombies, with zombies and it rules.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The second like the opening ended.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So the opening is that sequence, right?

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the Robert Carlyle and his wife who are like staying in a house with a few other people that have kind of found like shelter together.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They mentioned that their kids were like a way on vacation, like out on a school trip or something.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So they weren't in the country when all the shit went down with the zombies.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're safe.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the zombies like attack the house.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: They let a kid in the house who's like running from the zombies and then the zombies attack.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And everybody dies except for Robert Carlyle, his wife and the kid.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And Robert Carlyle like a bandence is wife and the kid to die.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And as soon as that intro ends, it sort of like a little bit ambiguous for a second that whether he actually gets away.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was wondering if this was just like one like self-contained like short.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Sort of to open the movie and then for a long yeah.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I knew like, I knew Rose Burmzenet and I knew Jeremy Render was in us and was like, where are these guys?

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_02]: They are part of this like this plan.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, but no then it actually does follow up on that.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And once it was clear that like, oh we're going to be following Robert Carlyle and his kids.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I was kind of like, that mom's got to be alive.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's going to, there's no way.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That's going to come back.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So good.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that like opening 5 10 minutes or whatever it is.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like some of the most intense zombie stuff and just like an incredible opening for this movie.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, yes, let's go.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, and then it has that like montage over the credits to move you from 28 days later,

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: which I think like I said pops up at the end of that sequence.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, 28 weeks later that the infected of all starved to death, which is like part of the end of the original movie right there like testing testing to see how long.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_03]: That happened.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're sort of repopulate London and all this stuff and yeah, that's what we're in this sort of like, like rebuilding phase with this out of this outbreak.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And so like the American army has kind of come in to try to like, you know,

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: contain everything and all like, you know,

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, there's like a quarantine going on where everybody like they're trying to, you know, make sure there are no zombies that happen.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But there is like sort of this disdain for the American army that's going to come through and there's like this attitude among the soldiers, including Jeremy Renner, who's like,

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe we're stuck on this shit detail.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Well, they're it's so fascinating.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So I've just been listening to a podcast called Blowback, which is sort of a like media history focus podcast.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And the first season is on the Iraq War.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And all I can think of obviously in 2007, sure that's on the mind is called the green zone is where they in London.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a NATO coalition led by the Americans right? And it's all this stuff and I was just like, oh, me.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's just also at the forefront of this movie.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's intense.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: It's good, you know, it's it's some pretty biting commentary considering what happens with the American soldiers.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_03]: What they do.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Who opened fire on the civilians.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And fire bomb the city because they give up.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, but yeah, which is crazy. And it's so funny to have I just elbow playing an American soldier when this movie takes place in London.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I guess there's only left of the British military and stuff like I guess that's sort of the point.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But like why is this I just don't want this to be anybody, you know?

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But he rules. He's great in the couple scenes that he's in.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It does sort of feel like a precursor to his role, like Pacific Rim or something.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Just anything because he's so cool.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Great actor.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I just elbow one of those actors who I always like seeing and stuff.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm always like a little disappointed in the roles that she is.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Just I think there's a couple of like great movies that I just held it is great in.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like he always like latches on to like franchise films that don't go anywhere.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Like when he shows up at the end of extraction too and you're like, wait a second.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot that he was in that.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. But it was like the dark tower was like kind of the big example that I knew where.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That was supposed to be like the start of like the big Stephen King franchise and all that stuff.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's in the Marvel movies, but he's a highmed-all.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like 10th building the Thor movies.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. He was the bad guy and start trek beyond.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But he was like covered in makeup and like he's not in any more of them.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: The fast and furious Hobbs and shaw all these things.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: He's blacksmithing.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Blacksmithing.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. He's blacksmithing.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: He is really great in James Gunn's The Suicide Squad.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: True.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I think when he signed onto that, I'm sure he thought it was going to be like, oh, I'm going to be in a lot of these and that hasn't happened.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And now they're rebooting the universe.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what's going on there.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But then you know, whenever he's in like, I mean, Molly's game, he's really great in.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Three thousand years of long-hanging. He's really great in like those interesting stuff.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He's in cats.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot he's in cats.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Take it all back. He was in cats.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: He was in cats.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was fun to see him pop up in uh, twenty eight weeks later.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He was also from ETHIS.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Less we forget.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's right.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Incephritis.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the piloter captain or whatever.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he sleeps with Charlie Starron in that.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Love the one you're with.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Twenty weeks later.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Great. I mean, so it's definitely more like actiony.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like more in the like trashy action horror mode than the like slow, philosophical stuff of 28 days later.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Which adds its action horror moments.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you don't create the fast zombie and then not have them.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe that's what I didn't really respond to when I first saw 28 days.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted more of the fast zombies or something.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, if I watched it down maybe I'd like it more.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It's possible.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And I think the clever, I think the way they have the outbreak happened again is pretty clever in this movie.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So the way it happens is they, so the kids are off being kids and they're like,

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to go explore the, you know, for Bidden's.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, they sneak out of the,

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the group's there.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And they go exploring and who do they stumble upon?

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But their mom.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And it turns out, and so their mom is like clearly crazed like she's, but she's not a zombie.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Right? And so she has been bitten by a zombie.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But it turns out she is like a moon to the zombie virus that she's a carrier.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's a lot like a elephant last of us.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, but yeah, so maybe the last of us more influenced by 28 weeks later than 28 days later.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so she's immune to it. And so the, the US army comes in.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They take her into quarantine and Rose Burn is like kind of doing tests on her,

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff like that realizes that she's immune.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And so her eyes are like a little bit weird.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like her eyes have been affected and they look different than normal person's eyes.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But she has her faculties about her for the post-plur.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. She's sort of, you know, got some like feralness going on.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But she has not turned full like at all really.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Exactly. And so the kids like stumble upon her, they find her and they,

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, they bring her back in. The kids are like in a separate quarantine.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're pissed off with their dad because like you told us that,

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, mom watched her die.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. You watched her die. How could she be here if you watched her die?

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And the dad's like, oh well, you know, I didn't say it in those words.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what he had crazy.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't say every single syllable. No, but basically the little truth.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the dad goes to visit them on and the mom in like, you know,

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: the mom was obviously in a rage. She's really bad.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: She's mad.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But I love that the way they like intercut that where it's,

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_03]: it's Rose Burn and you just help a talking about it and it's Rose Burn explaining that we need to,

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: we need to like study this woman. She may be the cure. She's a carrier.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: She's infected but she is not turning. She could be the key to a vaccine or whatever.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_03]: We need to cork like lock her down. She's still infected and then immediately cut to a

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_03]: rubber car liel sneaking into the room where his wife is being held because he has the

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_03]: all excess badge because he's important around here and doing his bullshit

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_03]: apology just to make himself feel better, but not actually apologizing.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. And then leaning over to kiss her and that long gross string of saliva they

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: make sure you see every kiss is there and boom, he's infected.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Let's go baby because this fucking idiot.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Now the zombies are back and he's one of them.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. No, it's a great moment and when like he turns I feel like they turn a lot faster in

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: this movie than the do in 28 days right?

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's pretty, it's definitely very fast in this movie but I don't really remember

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_03]: it being slower and I think it's like the Brendan Gleason scene right?

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it drips in his eye in the first one and with a few minutes he's already turned.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. But I think in this movie it takes like seconds.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like instant.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah. So he like, you know, the has the saliva, you see that and then he turns into a zombie

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_02]: and just immediately starts going nuts and his bashing his head against the wall and you're seeing

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: the blood kind of coming out. It's pretty great.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_03]: It's an early and it kills his wife that he just apologizes.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh no.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The wife dies and then the kids have to kill him later on.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that he sort of like stalks them throughout the movie.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so weird.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he's a zombie but like he's got an agenda.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're not like zombies.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the whole thing in this movie right?

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_03]: They're not actual zombies. They're infected with the re-ead device.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're basically zombies.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And so there's a whole huge mass chaos and all of the zombies are cutting loose and like

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: every other people getting infected now and the US Army is trying to lock it all down

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: essentially.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And then so it's an interesting thing because the first half of the movie,

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: like you're really with the dad character for the most part,

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: you're with Robert Carlyle a lot of it.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And the kids.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the second half like Rose Burn and Jeremy Renner were present in the first half,

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: but like they kind of take more center stage then.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Once once all hell breaks loose basically and they realize that these kids

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_03]: would carry the genes that is particularly just because he has the same

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_03]: heterocromias or his eyes or two different colors just like his mom's or

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_03]: right.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's like the whole thing that there's lots of close-ups of eyes and stuff in this movie.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is pretty cool.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And they realize that they may be the key to you of vaccines or whatever,

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: so they have to protect them, the two children and that.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So then they become the main characters.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And they sort of band together and do that.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I just trying to get them out of the city essentially because the US Army's

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_02]: gun nuts.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a great couple of chase scenes, action sequences.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: This one but the helicopter, where the helicopter blades chop it off a bunch of zombie

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: heads.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Great.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Love it.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Big shit.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not as an early movie, it's pretty violent.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And you start off with a big group of people like it's Roseburn and Jimmy Renner

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and a couple of others like with kids.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And you really start to pick them off one by one just like there's this great moment

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_02]: where there's a sniper on one side of the layout or whatever the built like in a building

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: across the street.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And Jeremy Renner is like, okay well somebody has to run so that I can see where he is so that I could

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: shoot him.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And like the one of the people's like refusing to do it and then the kid, the boy just does

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_02]: it.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's pretty fun.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's good stuff.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll have a guy to ask anyway.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It is the best part.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like that they start with like a pretty sight you know, I mean less than 10 people.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: A little group of survivors that they're on the escape together just so you have some zombie

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_03]: fodder for the rest of the movie.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And I like that you know, it's not limited to like Roseburn and Jimmy Renner also die in

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: the movie.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Despite them being like kind of the more recognizable faces which are that I guess at the

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_02]: time they might not have been.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But even so they still they still ultimately buy it.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Jimmy Renner gets flamed through her to death.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I also wanted to shout out the night vision scene.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is so cool.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's like this after Jimmy Renner has died I think Roseburn like picks up his

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_02]: sniper rifle and is using the scope of it to like kind of see because they're stuck in like a tunnel underground.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like the subway tunnels or something.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And so she's like using that to see and it's just it's so I don't know.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so like you don't know what's happening on the shadows.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: This is one moment where she kind of pans it over and you can see something in the background

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: walking the other way.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Just like oh shit.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That's going to come back.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so good.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean there's there's two scenes in particular that have really stuck out to me in the you know,

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_03]: decade plus since I've seen this movie for the first time.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_03]: That are like super anxiety inducing and that's one of them that that scene for sure because that's it's it's also so like late

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Ots found footage video game like it's like it's a lot of barrel of a gun right like it's just the scope of a yeah the rifle and stuff

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know however many movies have like an a clover field which I think goes around the same time like oh we got to use the night vision

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_03]: We're in the tunnels or whatever any of those movies right then have that.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that's in and it's awesome and they're like tripping down the skeletons going down the escalator and all that stuff.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And the other scene is the scene earlier in the movie when they like outbreak starts because the military like evacuates like evacuates the building into this like parking garage

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And locks everybody in and then Robert Carly breaks the door down or like something happens.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that's what happens.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And as bite somebody which starts spreading the virus and it's just this crazy crowd crush thing against the locked door and the kid is like pushed up onto everybody shoulders and he's all across the top of the thing.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_03]: The crowd and until he like kicks in an air conditioning duct or whatever just that idea of just like I don't know like being a crowd crush moment is like a reasonable but like unreasonable fear that I have at all times.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_03]: You know when the crowd had been thinking like that.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and so yeah that that's those scenes in particular terrifying.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no absolutely.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's great one too.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And then yeah the end of the movie is you know it's at this point it's just the two kids and they are facing off against their dad while coincidence that he's the last zombie they have to face off against but that is what it is.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He's just stalking them.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so they she does kill their dad.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: The daughter kills the dad but he does bite the sun I think.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But and so they're she's kind of waiting by the by the sun like waiting by her brother waiting to see if he turns and he doesn't it's the same as mom.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and they they are able to kind of run to who with the helicopter pilot who is play by the guy who played link in the the Matrix sequels reloaded in revolutions.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and was on lost and is now where the star that show from which is like getting some season three on I watch season one on Amazon.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but anyway, it seems it seems he's in three now and people are like oh it's good the classic like oh I had to get to the third season.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But apparently he rules the audience.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And he did rule and see someone yeah, but yeah, but he they get to him and they escape and then the movie is basically over but then you cut a cuts back to it.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a post credit scene.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's right before the credits, but you kind of then see the helicopter like abandoned in Paris apparently crashed apparently crashed abandoned.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't see any of the bodies or anybody who was in the helicopter.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But you just see zombies kind of taken over the streets of Paris now.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's so cool. I love this whole sequence.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it ends at them. They get into helicopter and it's then flying over the countryside.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You see the clips of Dover like they're going to mainline Europe because you know,

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that whole reveal at the end of 28 days later and also in this movie that like oh this was just England.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, like it has didn't affect the rest of the world at all right until now at the end of this moment.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So like yeah, they're going to be safe. They're going to be safe. They're going to have to France or whatever to Europe.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And then yeah, you hear the radio from the crash helicopter in French and then it turns into English like like,

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Is anybody there? Can you hear me help?

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And then it like kind of pans out and yeah, you see this on me is coming up out of the out of the out of the tunnel or whatever.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in in to Paris and yeah that last moment where like it pans up and they're at their they're at the high full tower

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And then cuts a black and it's like, yes, we're going to get a sequel right now. This is so cool. This movie in 2007 so exciting. I can't wait for 28 months later. Let's go.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And then here we are, 25. Yeah, well, by the time that movie comes out right. So I have a little surprise.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So the new one is going to be called 28 years later. There's skipping months which 28 months. I guess that would be what like two and a half years.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they missed their window on months I guess.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, 28 years later which will be out in 2025 so about like 23-ish years after the original. So yeah, kind of good way with 28 years later.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I am pretty excited about it. I was excited about it before just because it's kind of crazy that like it's happening.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but the got Danny Boyle and Alex Garland and Killing and Murphy all back to make a new 28 days later movie.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really curious what it's going to be like. And apparently it's not just that. They are planning like a trilogy of movies.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But no, they are planning a trilogy of movies not all directed by Danny Boyle. There is actually a second one already in development

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: which is being directed by Naya De Costa who directed the new candy man and also the marbles, which you know whatever, but that was kind of taken away from her.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Little woods I heard was very good. I like the new candy man. Yeah, you can't even be pretty good. Yeah, I liked that.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, and yeah, but the new one has Killing and Murphy back. Apparently Aaron Taylor, Johnson, Jody, Comer, Ray Fines are all on the movie.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, there's something here I think. And I thought I think originally it was kind of set up as a Netflix thing, but it's looking like it's Sony pictures is the distributors.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So it might actually get like a real theatrical release. Cool. So yeah, I'm down. I didn't the world's ready for 28 years later.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so too. Yeah, I hope they don't just pretend 28 weeks never happened and not even like a we need anybody to be in that like because I guess everybody dies except for I mean potentially everybody dies that helicopter scratched we don't really know right

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, what if the last scene of 28 years later is killing a Murphy meeting in motion boots right like that would that's the setup for 28 years later part two

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean 28 28 and a half years later

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Just do that right now make it done thing. Yeah, well the second one actually has a title already Mike and it's called 28 years later part two colon the bone temple

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: What is that suck but also go really hard

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to find out what's in this bone temple. I gotta find out. That's so funny. Yeah, so I'm I'm stoked. I mean I think I think it'll be more of a direct sequel today's than weeks

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, but I got to imagine like the setup from the end of weeks where okay now it's expanded beyond the UK

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they have to follow up on that and so right like that that's more what I'm talking about yeah

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't have it only still be in the UK or something. It's got to be right

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you don't make this like a Halloween 2018 situation where ignoring all the sequels or whatever just yeah

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Just I think that's such a good setup for the next movie that you might as well just go for it, you know

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you really liked it. You know

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't sure but because I think this is a more blind movie just sort of in the popular consciousness

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that I'm aware of maybe not it made a bunch of money and everything so who knows right?

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And that film maker. I haven't really seen like do what's kind of other stuff

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: One Carlos friend of Delo who directed 28 weeks later

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But he actually did direct a movie earlier this year a Netflix original called damsel which is the

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Millie Brown movie. Yeah, I don't know if that's good or not

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: These things

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_02]: There was something out there and I think people saw it so so there was that yeah, all right 28 weeks later

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: What a picture?

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Glad I found the got to watch it. Thanks, Mike. You're welcome. All right. Should we get into the other one?

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, which I think so I think 28 weeks later the thematic connection is also about the

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Ineptitude and complete failure of a autocratic bureaucracy. Okay. Yeah, I think you're right

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_03]: You know

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: When they have to give the the the

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Free targets like just shoot everything they call in the air strikes and all this stuff and it's just sort of a everybody does it?

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right you know

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You know the way that that responsibility gets obviscated into bureaucracy

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's present in 28 weeks later. Yes, and it is also present in the film we're talking about right now

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is Brazil?

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you wake from your finest fantasy?

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Only to return to your daily nightmare

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Is your mother about to look younger than you do?

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Does the woman of your dreams I love you in my dreams. I love you

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Still have a few doubts

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Then it's time to take a stand

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Brazil so please you can make it like this way

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Realty

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_05]: All in together

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Terrorist bombing

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Let's involve that in safety. They trust me Jack and late night shopping

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_07]: True love you don't trust me just you trust you. I'll hijack my truck

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_07]: loses me my job as if he security men and tell me how many hearts I trust you

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't try to help now and creative coming

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_05]: You face it no I can't from Terry Gilliam director of time bandits Jonathan price

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Sam

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_05]: What are we going to do with him Robert De Nurel? I came into his game for the action the excitement going when travel light

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Get in get out wherever this trouble man alone

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Capron hope and Michael Palin we've always been close. Happen me. Yes, Jack

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Until this all plays ever just stay away from you

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Brazil it's only a state of mind

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_05]: We're all in it together kid

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: All right that was in the trailer for Brazil from 1985

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Directed by Terry Gilliam

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I might be I already talked about it before but this was a big movie from me in college

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely watched it a couple of times I made people watch it that I was friends with so he got it

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Check out this movie Brazil they very first criterion blue ray ever bought so I've got it on my shelf

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But I have not watched it in like 10 plus years

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's been a while we actually played it at the rocks the over the summer as part of sci-fi summer and I couldn't make it

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That's okay because I make my D watch it in September so I'll be able to watch it then and then that's an happened here

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_02]: R

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But what did you think of Brazil? I think this is a towering achievement of cinema just like 28 weeks later

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Both comparable films. Yes, correct no

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean of course

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's everything that everyone has always talked about it being it's amazing it's incredible

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I can't I don't know the particular context in which it came out

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Originally, but I can't imagine a more pressure to film than not in then the

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_03]: 2024

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And whatever we may be facing in the future and

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing and it's also one of those movies that just is like they used to actually like make a fucking movie

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they've never seen a more made movie. There's so much shit that they built and created

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And is literally on screen in real intact tile

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Then this movie that I've ever seen you know, and it's never forget what they took from us is what I'm saying

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean the context in which this came out is actually kind of interesting

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Because the this movie is you know this wild imaginative crazy sci-fi movie the ends on a very dark

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right the studio not a fan

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So actually the this was universal I think they like did a read of the film to give it a happy ending

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: They like make a super happy ending

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's actually now referred to as the love conquerors all ending

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So the original kind of the movie which is the one you watch

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I assume is 142 minutes long as like two hours 20 minutes roughly

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the criterion one that I watched. Yes, all it's the other cut is included on the criterion

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Blu-ray as like a special feature it is 97 minutes long

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They cut out like a solid 45 minutes of the movie and

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of stuck a happy ending on it. I'm not exactly sure what I think it might end on like him jumping in bed with

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The woman

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's literally 45 more minutes of the movie

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and yeah, they were apparently like two or three like editing teams that were like working on the movie without

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Terri Gilliam's knowledge wow

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it was a kind of a similar situation to Blay Runner or like Blade Runner also was kind of reheaded by the studio and all that stuff

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah a Gilliam like really fought the studio on it

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He put out like a full page ad in variety like asking them to release Brazil in like the way it was meant to be released

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think eventually it was released in its like actual version like the actual way it was supposed to be

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But it took a while and now like the definitive cut is like oh, yeah, it's the original vision like the one that was supposed to be out

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And then universal fucked with it. Right. That's banana

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't think I'd do that but I was trying to kind of see because right is this this yet

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Thatcher's England right that's more where I was talking about like area also the political context in the world

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_03]: When this would have been coming out where it is just this

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You know fascist dictator basically they're fascist regime that just controls everything. It's also 1984

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, it's that whole thing and I love the whole

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Obsertity and and ganzoness of the whole thing like having

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The absolutely like inability for the the state to make a mistake

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So like even though it printed out buttle instead of tuddle let's it

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's better now that you name now. Yeah, and the one guy

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Michael failin's wife whose name is

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Forget but he she gets called Barbara I think and it's just like oh that's it Barbara that's your name now Barbara

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we can't acknowledge that the the guy Mr. Helpman man. I'm a sick

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, all the performance you're great. I you know the guy from tomorrow never dies wonderful

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Which guy for part of the dies is in this?

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It's Jonathan prices the mean oh yes

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That was the joke. Yeah, yeah Jonathan price the the villain of tomorrow never dies

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and the high sparrow on Game of Thrones. I think he was the high sparrow right yes correct yeah

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_03]: In home amazing

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody everybody's really great in this movie

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Robert and you're oh I had no idea he's in this and when he shows up I was like

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like Robert and here and they told us mass down. I was like what the fuck

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_02]: He like burst into the movie like three times

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_02]: There's there for two days basically you know yeah

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He was apparently

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He wanted the role that Michael Palin plays in the main interesting

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess Terry like Terry like I make a palin obviously they were in mind

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: He pithons together. They were buds and he promised the part to my whole palin

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And so but dinner. I was just like loved the script so much you wanted to be part of it and so he offered him

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_03]: The role of Harry's up amazing yeah, the free-line saboteur which is just like

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Great thing who's the

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Beloved man that I love whose name I can't remember

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins you did it you know that

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He's great in this suit when he shows up for his couple scenes

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and just yeah just the absurdity of the of the state right and just like we have to have all these

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Apparatuses and stuff

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_03]: To hold prop up this regime or whatever and to have these terrorists

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Exists as let's other enemy that we must all be afraid of and trust no one paranoia is a gift or whatever

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Forget what all the folks are saying the background yeah

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's all good shit, you know yeah, I mean it's such a wild movie especially within the context of like

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Gillian had made a couple of movies before that

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he made time man. But it's already and things like that

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know he was also he's part of money python and I think it's it's a weird kind of thing where this is like a very dark like

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Syphide dystopian future sort of thing

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think you can draw the line between like money python sketches and

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Brazil like you can see the 100% you could see the transition to get there right?

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Even in the the opening shots of the movie

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I think I don't remember if it's it what's his name flying through the clouds or not if that's the opening

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, just like the immediate like weird fish high lenses and stuff and like walking down long straight

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Holloway is a lot like kind of doing the ministry of silly walks thing a little bit you know

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Not quite but a little bit

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like oh, yeah, okay. Here's the visual language that we were seems pretty obvious

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Right and even though he would not know who's the

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Illustrator and stuff but still it's all it's all there

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely are you are you in general a fan of a Terry Gilliam like his other films

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen much of those stuff not that I know of off the top of my head

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen some of it. I did not see the man who killed Donkey Hoatay

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Which this moving maybe want to watch because I know that's also Jonathan price yeah, I liked it

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and I remember the things

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's why I hadn't seen it

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I saw it when I played with her actually in like 2018 and obviously then movie had such a long

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you know

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Have been trying to make it for like 20 plus years yeah, and I think I was like I enjoyed the movie

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But I was also maybe more just like impressed that it existed at all right, you know

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I think is how I'm gonna be when I see mega-lapless in a couple of weeks where I'm just like

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Man, I can't believe this thing exists

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_03]: What's the one I saw the one before that and I can only remember like a red phone and I don't really remember no like like the imagery of that

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Zero theorem it might be zero theorem. There's a Christoph Waltz

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I also saw this zero theorem

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I remember anything about it. Yeah, I mean

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's post like the 2000s. It's kind of like hit or miss with a Gilliam stuff

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know in the 80s 90s you got time bandits got the Fisher King which I think is a really great movie with the Rob Williams and Jeff Bridges

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: 12 monkeys

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Which rules great movie and fear-loving in Las Vegas like the other like really big one

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I've seen that yeah, okay, yeah

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_02]: What's your take on fear-loving? I remember I remember being left a little cold by fear-loving

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember really liking it

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: When I saw that I take left and right this episode

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You like your fear and low thing

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Not a fan

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I'm in

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I but I also haven't seen it

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Since like you know software your college or whatever when it's like right whoa

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what movies can do you know a kind of thing

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So I wonder if I watched it again. I did I also imaginary of Dr. Pernassas

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember liking that

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And I never saw that that was like I think that's actually Heath Ledger's last film

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's the one he did not complete

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Right and so like they kind of create like an in-universe

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Reason why he's like recast by three different actors or something right yeah, yeah, there's like a mirror world

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And I believe

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Either in the real world it's Heath Ledger or in the mirror world it's Heath

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_03]: There's some kind of threshold thing that they're going back and forth and I don't remember

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it looks like one of them. He is like the main version of the character

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But then it's Johnny Depp Jude Law and Colin Ferrell are like the other ones who yeah

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of play the same person

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah, so I think that yeah, he's like the real world guy and then when him in the the

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: main actress like a jump through this mirror

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Pernassas changes into the other actors. So you try to happen

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It works like it totally works within the movie and is an interesting thing

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so I haven't seen I've seen those but I haven't seen all these other ones

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I've seen

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Ventures of Baron Munchausen or not. I don't remember

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I have not seen that one but for that that one has like a culture out of people like that

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, big one but anyway, yeah, this did definitely get me more interested in seeing some of these other movies that I

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_03]: heard of for a long time but never seen which is exactly what Brazil was obviously

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You know much much touted movie and I just never got around to yeah fair enough

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Any other scenes in Brazil that you want to give a shout out to Mike and that stands at you

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean all the scenes with Ian home, which is so funny just the like complete

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like inept boss character that like is like literally like I cannot survive if you leave this department

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I will die

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And so he's but like but but Jonathan Bryce character whose name I can't remember what's at my head is like is like a totally

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, he doesn't want to be promoted right? He wants this kind of pretty easy

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_03]: assignment that's unimpactful like there's no consequences to what he's doing and he's right

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what he wants but because of the free life yeah, yeah, this he's happy to type things on the computers that look

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Awesome those fucking computers like cool as hell yeah, like the exposed cathode ray tube thing and all that and

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_03]: He's happy to live that life but because of this whole buttle-tuddle thing you get some mixed up in a large

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean of course it's coppid stuff to you right?

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: All that he gets mixed up in this larger plot and fast tracks up the ladder

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Right and all of a sudden he's in he's an information retrieval dear boy and all that stuff

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He's all it's all important. Yeah, it's good. Just get shit. No, yeah, absolutely

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm driving again. I didn't get to be watching or anything like that so I don't have any specific scenes in mind like I wanted to bring up anything

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's pretty great. It's pretty great. There's a lot of just like like I said just the

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_03]: These sets exist and that's fucking insane

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Right and I really genuinely can't believe how much stuff is on screen like when they when he

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_03]: The the whole thing with the whole setup with Robert to the nearest character and and Henry Tuttle or Archibald Tuttle or whatever's name is

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Is he's like I said a freelance savetour because only proved mechanics are allowed to work on the the ducks

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And Jonathan prices heat for air conditioning breaks and it turns to heat or whatever

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's calling central services in the middle of the night and he's like, is it a emergency? I'm dying please

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_03]: That all day right and that's when Bob Hoskins or are they they tell him oh?

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_03]: We're we're unable to send a technician sorry and they hang up on him and that's when Robert and Neurosheur's up as Tuv

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I intercepted your call. I got into this game for the action baby. He's like

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like opening golf handles and he's climbing in the ducks and he's doing all this like surgery stuff and he's great

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Bob Hoskins and I don't remember who's with Bob Hoskins

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a sidekick guy. That's very funny also. Okay, which I wouldn't get a guess is another English comedian actor guy like that

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Exense mix-ends right and they're the they're the license to prove guys and there's this whole like

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you know not hostage situation really but like Robert and Jaro's and stand next the door in the gun and then like all this stuff

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's got a

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Jonathan price has to talk his way out of being inspected now

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just also silly and heightened and fun. Yes, and it's mixed up and sort of like there's like a terrorist sort of plot happening

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Right with everything right in the background

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's been these these terrorist bombings and you keep seeing it hearing it on the news in the background

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And oh man, oh with the care they talking in the office about these terrorists and stuff and

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, then of course it's that subtle is one of these guys

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of thinking these are savetable and all that but that whole plot line with the ducks

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Columidates in in them just like completely destroying his apartment and there's the right

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Pipes and ducks and it's frozen solid because I'll be fixed it sir

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you know, it's like return the air conditioning back on and it's it's all I don't know

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just so cool they built a real fucking thing is what I'm getting at yes

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely and

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Throughout all this Jonathan prices also like he meets this woman named Jill. Oh, yes

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Who like plays a major role in the movie and it's like she's I think in with the terrorist or something like that right?

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it's sort of unclear or at least maybe I just kind of got

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Mixed up in a lot of it because it is it is a deliberately obtuse movie like to because the whole show

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_03]: There's obtuse right and levering thing and all that but I remember like chase sequences

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_02]: We're like they're trying to escape like government agents or something like that, right? Yeah, yeah

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_03]: He's been dreaming about her right and so that's the thing and when he goes to deliver the refund check to Mrs. Buttle

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Because they've made an error and right that whole thing yeah

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_03]: He meets Jill who's the neighbor

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and it's the girl that he's been dreaming about and becomes obsessed with her in this whole thing and she gets

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Rapped up in this terrorist thing and I don't remember if it's because of his interest in her

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_03]: They think he cuz now he's been promoted. He can do information retrieval so he keeps like checking on her

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're like oh this must be a suspect so I can have any report to his right

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not like kind of thing yeah, and yeah, they're like still a truck and there's a hole

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of stuff it goes off the rails by the end of it. You know, yeah

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_02]: She does get one of the most insane lines in the film

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is I think they have to fake her death or something or like he comes how or he thinks that she might have been dead

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he comes home to her and she's in the bed and he says like oh, you're dead

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Care for little neck refuely

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, really wild and the movie like things that's a good line that you can tell there's like a laugh break

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_03]: In the dial it's very weird. I mean it's a funny line. It is a pretty funny line

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, he he goes and falsifies her record that she's dead so that the rest of being hunted

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Is the is the thing and then there that pays off the very funny line

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Darkly funny line at the end after it so they have sex right and then then they get rated in the apartment because it's

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_03]: They're after him now

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you don't really find out what happened until turns later on and he's before he's interrogated and the person says that

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_03]: She's the Jill's been killed. She's dead and Jonathan prices like no

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I did that and the guys like well seems she died twice them

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's good shit

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And Michael Palin's great when he's in it. I don't know sure there was great when we've been good

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely then it just ends and then incredibly bleak note where you think it seems like

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know they're driving away together and then yeah, turns out to be kind of just some kind of like last minute

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Dying delusion or his mind is just a completely wiped right? Yeah, he's in the torture chair

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's in the torture chair and he's having like a current at Alcreek bridge moment where he's just imagining this other life

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That in this final moments can't it right and then they just leave and it's that

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Light shot of him in the chair staring off into space as the current is roll. Yep. Wow

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pretty great pretty good shit. Yeah love it. We love sweet love movies. You know, yes absolutely no

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I really wish I had the chance to rewatch Brazil but uh I'm gonna rewatch it soon. I think uh you know once once I get like a moment of free time

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That I'm gonna watch Brazil. That's the play. I think I think also all the

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_03]: All the like flights of fan it like literal flights of fantasy. I guess yeah all the like visions and dreams and stuff that he has where he's like

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like I said literally flying he's he's rescuing Jill

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_03]: From these scary and I'd like he from these like scary baby face mask people right right stuff and then and then to have that pay off

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_03]: That that's the masks that the like torture people wear that that Michael Palin wears and that stuff is good stuff

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And the giant golden samurai he fights that when he slices it shoots fire out of the hole like out of the wounds is the

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_03]: One of the coolest images have ever seen. It's fucking bad. Yeah, that's awesome

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, that's a useless thing a bunch of cool shit that happens in Brazil. Yeah good movie people should watch it

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I was right it's yeah, all right and I think this was like one of the you know I mean criteria

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The collection has been around for a very long time. It's been around since like the late 80s really 90s

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like Brazil was like one of the first like I mean obviously it was the first one that I bought

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it was one of their big like one of their big titles for a while, you know

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I would make sense. Yeah, you know it was like like how's there's another one of those ones where it's like oh criteria and rediscovered this and like it's a big thing for them

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Brazil was one of those ones for criteria as well. Yeah, it's great

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like it's less talked about now

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So people should rewatch it check it out. We're watching for the first time. It's good stuff. spine number 51

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a pretty early in the collection yeah, there you go

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, by the moment we'll 20 a week later entered the collection who's to say time will tell they got away for the trilogy box set

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess I guess the the five film box

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_03]: 28 quadril or quintilogy or whatever that's called the 28 quintil like yeah

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it would be the 28 quintilogy right it would be yeah

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of like the before trilogy where it's like you can't really call on anything else other than that

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Like yeah, 28 is the only 28 and later are the only continual words in those titles

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_03]: The calendar truly the calendar series exactly

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[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Come up for October for you. I believe is Karen Kusom is the invitation okay cool. I'm excited to watch that

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe for you it was high west house at the devil. That's right we're getting into spooky stuff

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Even though I started early this month with with what 20 weeks later. Yeah, you gotta squeeze in there somewhere

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right and you know, you picked a good like action horror kind of thing to kind of like transition us into spooky

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Easy in doing it a little bit. Yes exactly

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah next month we'll be doing that the invitation and house the devil

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