The Wood

[00:00:00] Jackie and I are joined by our pals Bra Mates World for some more shenanigans as

[00:00:05] we cover 1999's The Wood.

[00:00:07] And Macken!

[00:00:09] And Macken!

[00:00:25] Welcome to the No More Late Fees podcast. I'm Danielle.

[00:00:28] And I'm Jackie. And we're just two best friends and ex-Blockbuster employees rewatching some

[00:00:33] of the best and worst movies from the late 90's and early 2000's.

[00:00:38] This week we are talking about the 1999 movie The Wood.

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[00:01:38] But we're not alone this week.

[00:01:40] We are joined by our pals from Brun Meets World, TC and Siege.

[00:01:45] Welcome. We're so glad to have you guys back.

[00:01:48] We're excited to just hang and mack with y'all.

[00:01:53] Yes. What is it?

[00:01:56] Is it hanging and mackin?

[00:02:00] Hanging and mackin.

[00:02:03] If you want to get to know the bros a little better, go check out our online episode with them from season three.

[00:02:10] It's a fun one.

[00:02:12] And Jackie, tell us more about the wood.

[00:02:17] Three old friends, Mike, Roland and Slim, recount memories of their shared childhood in Englewood, California

[00:02:25] as they prepare for Roland's wedding to his fiance Lisa.

[00:02:29] When the groom goes missing without a word, Mike and Slim struggle to find their nervous friend

[00:02:34] and return him to his impatient bride before the wedding begins.

[00:02:38] Along the way, they continue to swap stories about lessons learned during their awkward teenage years.

[00:02:46] It stars Taye Diggs, Omar Epps, Richard T. Jones, Ray McCoy, Tamala Jones, Melinda Williams and Vasis.

[00:02:54] Sanaa Leithin.

[00:02:56] It was directed by Rick.

[00:02:58] It's your turn.

[00:03:00] I totally did this one.

[00:03:02] When we did Brown Sugar, I was a-struggling to say Rick's name.

[00:03:07] Fah-moo-ee-wah. No.

[00:03:11] Rick Fah-moo-ee-wah.

[00:03:14] I'm doing the wee-wahs now.

[00:03:18] Rick Fah-moo-ee-wah.

[00:03:22] It was also written by Rick and Todd Boyd, and you can currently watch it on Paramount+.

[00:03:28] Okay, let's go ahead and get into our ratings rewind.

[00:03:33] Well, it's not your first rodeo guys.

[00:03:35] You guys know the drill.

[00:03:37] Before we get into the movie, we will reveal the rating our Y2K versions of ourselves will give.

[00:03:42] Then at the end, after we get to talking, we'll see if our current sales agree with our initial rating.

[00:03:47] Our scale consists of would buy it, would buy again,

[00:03:51] the best would play on repeat,

[00:03:53] five day rental,

[00:03:55] would watch again,

[00:03:57] two day rental,

[00:03:59] eh, okay, but nothing to write home about,

[00:04:01] and same day rental.

[00:04:03] Trash. Straight up trash.

[00:04:07] We're gonna start with usage.

[00:04:11] What was your rating?

[00:04:13] Alright, back in Y2K times, I watched this movie repeatedly with my sister.

[00:04:21] Maybe it was because it was on MTV all the time,

[00:04:23] because they used to play this movie constantly,

[00:04:25] but when I watched this movie again and again and again,

[00:04:29] so my Y2K rating, which is different from my current rating,

[00:04:31] would have been would buy it again.

[00:04:35] Alright TC, I know you're itching.

[00:04:40] I have to be like, hypothetical about this because this is my first time watching this,

[00:04:44] but like, I will say that I think I saw this VHS on the shelf in one of my family members houses for forever,

[00:04:52] and I never reached for it,

[00:04:54] so I'm gonna give it a two day rental.

[00:04:56] That like, it would be something that if someone rented I would watch,

[00:05:00] but then I don't know that I would have picked it out myself,

[00:05:02] simply because, I'll say this,

[00:05:04] I didn't think the trailer was very like engaging or grabby,

[00:05:08] so I watched it.

[00:05:10] Well, we do have a category, never seen,

[00:05:12] so we're gonna give you that.

[00:05:14] Oh, okay, alright, never seen.

[00:05:16] So no problemos.

[00:05:18] And I'm gonna go with,

[00:05:20] I can't remember if I bought it on VHS,

[00:05:24] so I'm gonna say five day rental,

[00:05:26] because I don't remember,

[00:05:28] because I don't have it on DVD.

[00:05:30] How about you Jackie?

[00:05:32] I watched it exactly once for the Tay Diggs of it all,

[00:05:37] so I'll go two day rental.

[00:05:39] Tay Diggs of it all.

[00:05:41] I can't believe you went Tay Diggs and not Ritty T. Jones!

[00:05:45] You got something to talk about!

[00:05:47] It's that smile, man.

[00:05:49] Before we dive in, let's hear a word from our Podpals.

[00:06:07] Okay, we're back.

[00:06:33] Let's talk about Box Office.

[00:06:36] This movie had a budget of $6 million,

[00:06:38] and it made $25 million.

[00:06:40] Now the interesting thing about this movie,

[00:06:42] well there's a lot of interesting things,

[00:06:44] but we did The Best Man not too long ago,

[00:06:46] and The Best Man actually came out three months after this movie,

[00:06:48] and it was kind of like a fight between the directors,

[00:06:50] were very competitive about the movie,

[00:06:52] and I think because they're both black movies,

[00:06:54] and they both had weddings,

[00:06:56] and they both had to have a wedding,

[00:06:58] and they both had to have a wedding,

[00:07:00] and they both had to have a wedding,

[00:07:02] and they both had to have a wedding,

[00:07:04] and they both had Tay Diggs and Samal Lathan.

[00:07:06] Those were the only ties,

[00:07:08] but somehow people were saying it was the same movie.

[00:07:10] It's very different.

[00:07:12] Very, very different movies.

[00:07:14] But this movie was produced by MTV,

[00:07:16] so that's probably why you guys saw it on MTV so many times,

[00:07:20] and it actually got its pick-up or help to get bought because of Sundance.

[00:07:28] So Rick went to Sundance,

[00:07:30] and he was like,

[00:07:33] he said that MTV actually had the best deal.

[00:07:35] So it worked out because at that time,

[00:07:37] MTV was really making different movies.

[00:07:39] They had like the Beavis and Butt-Head of it all,

[00:07:41] but they were also making movies like Election and this movie,

[00:07:43] and so like they were trying to diversify their portfolio essentially,

[00:07:45] and this had teens,

[00:07:47] and that was definitely their demographic,

[00:07:49] and young 20 year olds,

[00:07:51] so thought that was interesting.

[00:07:53] You guys are awesome.

[00:07:55] I'm so glad you guys are here.

[00:07:57] I'm so glad you guys are here.

[00:07:59] I'm so glad you guys are here.

[00:08:01] I thought that was interesting.

[00:08:03] You guys ready to hear what Lil' Rog had to say about this one?

[00:08:05] Always.

[00:08:07] Absolutely.

[00:08:09] So Roger Ebert called it a sweet light-hearted comedy

[00:08:13] and applauded,

[00:08:15] I'm just going to say Rick,

[00:08:17] I'm sorry sir,

[00:08:19] I know I should be able to say your last name,

[00:08:21] but I struggle.

[00:08:23] I'm just keeping it real.

[00:08:25] Applauded Rick for capturing members of the cinematically marginalized

[00:08:27] African American middle class.

[00:08:30] I have to agree.

[00:08:32] I agree.

[00:08:34] Everything that he said.

[00:08:36] I wish that it didn't go back and forth.

[00:08:38] I wish that Mike kind of opened it,

[00:08:40] then we got the young stuff,

[00:08:42] and then we started to see them in their older selves

[00:08:44] because

[00:08:46] I was like,

[00:08:48] I mean,

[00:08:50] I'm not sure what they were thinking.

[00:08:52] I'm not sure what they were thinking,

[00:08:54] but I have to say that it was a great comedy.

[00:08:56] I think it was a great comedy.

[00:08:58] I actually wanted to do a show

[00:09:00] but I didn't have time to do one.

[00:09:02] Still, and give you a not-so-perfect

[00:09:18] yet not one- laboratory-y

[00:09:23] long-term dreams.

[00:09:25] I'm more전에ering right now

[00:09:27] time, doesn't seem like it's that much story at all.

[00:09:31] It seems like it's kind of stretched out compared to the stuff that was happening when they were

[00:09:35] younger.

[00:09:36] I agree.

[00:09:37] I think that some of it is you kind of need the indication of why you are telling this

[00:09:44] part of the story at this point in time.

[00:09:46] What are the reminders?

[00:09:47] What are the signatures that are blending past and present?

[00:09:51] And instead, the movie just kind of sometimes decides that it's telling you the rest

[00:09:56] of the childhood story.

[00:09:57] And you're like, but why?

[00:09:59] What themes are coming up that mirror this?

[00:10:02] What sentence?

[00:10:03] And then again, sometimes they even feel like they are retconning and they're like,

[00:10:06] oh, we're mentioning this because this is what happened when they were younger.

[00:10:10] But he's like, yeah, but you showed me the scene first.

[00:10:13] Yeah.

[00:10:14] Then you gave me the explanation.

[00:10:15] So it feels out of order.

[00:10:17] I think if they had made it where it was actually Mike who was getting married,

[00:10:25] because his relationship seemed to be the core of it.

[00:10:29] So I don't understand what like a I'm not having an emotional tie with Roland and Lisa.

[00:10:36] Like, yeah, we don't even get introduced to Lisa until the end of the movie.

[00:10:40] Right.

[00:10:42] And it's played kind of like it was weird to me, because for those of you who do

[00:10:46] know anything about the 90s Lisa Ray McCoy, like again, it's like one of those 90s

[00:10:52] baddies.

[00:10:53] It was supposed to be like a reveal, like, oh, and it's Lisa Ray McCoy.

[00:10:58] And like, like so they were holding it to give us that to this lease that he was

[00:11:03] talking about in a way of saying that like, he's unsure and it's someone as

[00:11:08] amazing as Lisa Ray McCoy.

[00:11:11] But it doesn't work outside of that 90s context where you're like, I don't

[00:11:16] understand why I'm supposed to care about this lease I haven't met yet.

[00:11:20] And then when you do show me her, I'm like, OK, you know, there's so much of this

[00:11:25] movie that feels like both American Pie one and American Pie three cut into one

[00:11:29] movie. Ooh, that's a good comparison.

[00:11:33] Well, American Pie came out the same year and it's about kids trying to get

[00:11:36] laid. So like it was like the black equivalent, it felt like to me.

[00:11:40] Yeah. It was just.

[00:11:45] So I agree.

[00:11:46] Like, there were no transitions.

[00:11:48] It was exactly like this podcast where like the director is just like, I don't

[00:11:52] do transitions. So here you go.

[00:11:54] I can don't say the podcast.

[00:11:57] Don't do I don't do transitions.

[00:12:01] We've been trying to be better about transitions, but I still don't do

[00:12:04] transitions. But yeah, it was just like, why do I care that?

[00:12:10] Like, I don't understand why he does want to get married, but he's also

[00:12:15] running to this girl's house that they know, but I don't know.

[00:12:19] And correct.

[00:12:21] And the fact that we never meet young the younger version of her, who is

[00:12:26] Tanya played by as it Tamala Jones,

[00:12:31] by Tamala Jones, who again, again, like a lot of 90s casting, a lot of

[00:12:35] all like the same cast working in different projects together.

[00:12:39] So if you are part of the black community, you recognize these faces.

[00:12:43] And I do want to commend the casting because the casting of both the adult

[00:12:48] version and the younger versions of these characters feel like dead on,

[00:12:53] especially I had already mentioned Richard T.

[00:12:55] Jones, who plays Slim, the older slim and then Dwayne Finley.

[00:13:00] The two of them make this movie for me.

[00:13:03] But that said, the fact that we spent all this time with Tanya and we never

[00:13:08] meet the younger version of her, even though she's constantly talking about

[00:13:12] their ties to high school, it feels like we're missing something.

[00:13:16] Yeah. Also, weirdly enough, they were going to make a TV show version.

[00:13:22] And actually, what's so funny is that they were trying to make a TV,

[00:13:26] a show of this from when the movie came out.

[00:13:29] And last I think it was like 20, 21.

[00:13:34] They were still in August of 2021.

[00:13:37] Showtime gave a pilot order to a TV show that was adapted of the film.

[00:13:42] And by 2023, they an axed it.

[00:13:45] So it's not moving forward.

[00:13:47] But the people who were going to be in it were Richard T.

[00:13:51] Jones and Tomala Jones.

[00:13:54] So I, you know, just wondering what that was going to be about.

[00:13:59] But the casting that I know,

[00:14:04] the actors who played these roles were great.

[00:14:07] Mm hmm. I didn't think any of these guys looked like each other, like

[00:14:13] the version. And my biggest gripe is

[00:14:16] Melinda Williams was 28 when she filmed this.

[00:14:20] Why did they just not let her play herself older?

[00:14:24] Yeah. And so now Lathan does not look a thing like her.

[00:14:29] And I wonder if she was dating Omar Epps at this point or.

[00:14:35] It was afterwards because they go ahead.

[00:14:40] I was going to say the thing about the wood that it's interesting,

[00:14:42] and I'm saying this because I know Tony didn't watch it for he said he

[00:14:47] this is his first time watching it.

[00:14:48] And Jackie, I know you said you watched it once.

[00:14:51] I don't know your relationship with Danielle, but as someone who, again,

[00:14:53] I watched this movie constantly as a kid, is it kind of

[00:14:59] always fell behind the other movies that came out, the black

[00:15:02] movies that came out around that time.

[00:15:05] So to me, Best Man tells this story so much better and it's

[00:15:10] so much more intense and dramatic.

[00:15:13] It's telling a different story.

[00:15:14] But like in terms of like you have a group of friends who are all

[00:15:20] preparing for a wedding, but all of these secrets are coming out about

[00:15:23] their childhood that influenced them in the present.

[00:15:27] Best Man nails that. You have Brown Sugar.

[00:15:30] You have what is another one?

[00:15:32] I had Love and Basketball.

[00:15:33] Like all of these movies are being made around this time.

[00:15:36] And the wood always did feel a little behind for the rest of these.

[00:15:43] And I think some of the reasons is what we've talked about.

[00:15:47] The fact that like the narrative, although sweet, does feel kind

[00:15:50] of all over the place and the big casting.

[00:15:53] I think that they captured the energy of each other's characters really

[00:16:00] well, like Taye Diggs and whoever plays his younger version of Rod.

[00:16:06] Like, yes, I can see how this man turns into that man.

[00:16:11] You know, like it works for me.

[00:16:13] But in terms of looks, yeah, it wasn't the greatest.

[00:16:16] I mean, you had that really bad Jerry Curl wig.

[00:16:18] Is part of the movie.

[00:16:20] That's Tyler Perry level wig right now.

[00:16:26] And to your point about like the, you know, Daniel, you were saying

[00:16:29] like, why did they cast an older actress for, you know, this actress

[00:16:33] who could have played it?

[00:16:34] It felt weird that we were doing this like cast age jump between like 18 and 28.

[00:16:42] It seemed like it seemed like such an odd scene.

[00:16:44] It seemed like they should have played younger versions of themselves

[00:16:47] for the high school scene and did that transition for when they got to high

[00:16:51] school like that, I think would have worked better than having the younger

[00:16:55] actors play them through only to jump ahead, what seemed to be

[00:16:58] only like 10 years to have these brand new faces.

[00:17:01] I honestly think they should have just made what works for this movie is that

[00:17:06] it gives a real authentic childhood feel for, for, for black boys.

[00:17:16] I think it's also important to say that this movie, when it came out,

[00:17:21] when it being about California and growing up there, it wasn't a gang

[00:17:26] bang movie, you know, from all the things that we had been seeing years,

[00:17:30] a few years prior.

[00:17:32] I think this was refreshing in that way that we were seeing, seeing

[00:17:36] boyhood portrayed very innocently.

[00:17:39] Yes, there were themes of, you know, the gang bang lifestyle, but

[00:17:46] comedically and also separating that, that there were different people

[00:17:51] are living different lives.

[00:17:52] We're not a monolith kind of situation, which was very interesting.

[00:17:55] I do like that he Rick, the director talks about how, you know, California

[00:18:01] is not like LA and not, not like LA, not like Chicago and New York.

[00:18:08] It is very suburbs if you think about it.

[00:18:11] So being able to kind of show that experience I thought was really,

[00:18:16] really cool.

[00:18:18] Yeah.

[00:18:19] Okay.

[00:18:20] I'm going to say to your point, I noted how important it was that they

[00:18:24] showed kind of like black excellence and like the middle class of it all.

[00:18:28] That is Inglewood.

[00:18:29] Like we always hear Inglewood up to no good, but they kind of

[00:18:33] showed that that is part of the city.

[00:18:35] It's not that it's not there, but it's tangential, especially to

[00:18:38] like these boys experience.

[00:18:40] And even with the main gangbanger that we get to meet in the movie,

[00:18:45] Stacey, they even kind of show how Stacey is a child.

[00:18:49] Stacey is like a little boy playing gangbanger and that's like, you know,

[00:18:55] that's the world and that's how he's involved in this, which I thought was

[00:19:00] interesting to watch with adult eyes because I'm like, oh yeah.

[00:19:05] They go out of the way to show that this is a child, you know?

[00:19:09] Yeah.

[00:19:09] And I was just going to say that I feel like the movie is strongest

[00:19:13] when it's leaning into like black wonder years.

[00:19:17] Like when we're having those like throwbacks of like the first

[00:19:20] experiences of being a kid, my first dance, I got to learn how to dance.

[00:19:23] Like, I feel like those stories, I think were like to your point

[00:19:29] about showing a different side of the black experience compared

[00:19:33] to a boys in the hood.

[00:19:35] I think that's where the movie is the strongest kind of

[00:19:38] reflecting back on those nostalgic experiences.

[00:19:41] Yeah.

[00:19:41] Them just living everyday lives.

[00:19:43] You know, the drama is just them being stupid, not necessarily someone's

[00:19:49] trying to kill them or the like the hardships of black identity.

[00:19:54] Yeah.

[00:19:54] It's funny because the, what you were talking about, Tony, the idea of

[00:19:59] the first dance or a lot of these firsts, I thought it was funny that

[00:20:03] they showed this dance is not popping.

[00:20:05] It is not like we are not getting kid and play house party level of production.

[00:20:11] This is just a regular like middle school gem with like some bad clothes and okay

[00:20:18] music, but to him, this is wonderful.

[00:20:21] I'd like again, when they show he's looking at girls for the first time,

[00:20:25] not that I feel like they should, but they're not showing like video

[00:20:28] vixens they're showing like teenage girls and he's like, my mind

[00:20:32] couldn't believe what I was saying.

[00:20:35] I really enjoyed that part of it.

[00:20:37] I was like the exaggeration of his mind being like, this is a childhood

[00:20:43] wonderland and yeah, it does have tones of wonder years or even a Christmas

[00:20:50] story in the way that he's seeing thing versus what we, the

[00:20:54] audience can actually see.

[00:20:56] When I, the dance scene, the one thing I thought about Jackie that I

[00:20:59] wanted to ask you was, did you go to the Coral Springs middle eighth grade

[00:21:04] dance?

[00:21:04] Sure did.

[00:21:05] Were we at the Coral Springs high school in the cafeteria?

[00:21:10] I, I'm assuming that's where we were.

[00:21:12] I don't remember how I got there or where I was, but I was there.

[00:21:17] I thought that was the best dance I ever had in my life.

[00:21:21] Oh, we have in my life.

[00:21:22] We swayed to end of the road.

[00:21:24] It was wonderful.

[00:21:27] Come on ride.

[00:21:27] The train came on.

[00:21:28] I lost my shit.

[00:21:29] That was my song.

[00:21:31] Jackie, we were in the same place at the same time, but we didn't

[00:21:34] know each other.

[00:21:35] How so?

[00:21:37] Okay.

[00:21:38] I still remember exactly what I was wearing.

[00:21:43] Yeah, it was a good time.

[00:21:44] I enjoyed myself.

[00:21:46] Yeah, good times.

[00:21:48] But that was exactly the type.

[00:21:52] Yeah.

[00:21:52] Like it doesn't matter if you're in Inglewood or Coral Springs,

[00:21:56] Florida, that middle school dance looks exactly the same.

[00:22:01] Yep.

[00:22:01] And it was real dark.

[00:22:03] One thing I will say about like the, you know, seeing it through a child's

[00:22:07] eyes, I thought they did a great job of showing like what it means to have

[00:22:12] a crush on a girl or be a new kid or like things like that.

[00:22:15] But I will say that some of the way that like teenage and children's

[00:22:20] bodies were filmed made me a little uncomfortable while watching it.

[00:22:24] First scene where he-

[00:22:26] The buck grab scene?

[00:22:27] Well, that too.

[00:22:28] But no, when he actually is just standing, he first gets there and there's

[00:22:31] these like two or three girls walking by and they looked like real children.

[00:22:36] And I was uncomfortable at how it panned to their butt, but I

[00:22:41] was not comfortable with that.

[00:22:43] Yeah.

[00:22:43] Completely agree with you.

[00:22:44] Go ahead.

[00:22:45] I know I was going to say, I pray they were older.

[00:22:49] Well, that was probably, I'm hoping that was a choice of casting an

[00:22:53] older actress in that role, the butt grabbing role.

[00:22:57] But I'm like, it just, yeah.

[00:23:02] And I'm like, they're all little girls.

[00:23:03] They haven't gone through puberty yet.

[00:23:05] What are you looking at?

[00:23:06] Like, well, their age, you know, so at that age, I think this movie is

[00:23:13] interesting because it talks about a very specific type and black male

[00:23:20] experience in a very specific time.

[00:23:23] And like you watch it now and you're like, oh, we would not like

[00:23:26] go and grab that girls, but don't do that.

[00:23:29] You don't show that like, like harassment, none of this,

[00:23:33] but this was of a time.

[00:23:35] And the thing that I kind of want to give the movie grace for is it makes

[00:23:40] it very clear that these three are fools.

[00:23:44] Know what they're talking about.

[00:23:46] They like even when they're like, Hey, you should hang with us.

[00:23:48] As we know, like we know the camera and the movie itself is like, these are

[00:23:54] idiots do not look to them for any guidance because they don't have it.

[00:24:00] And that's the one grace I want to give it because there are lots of

[00:24:05] themes in scenes that don't hold up really well in terms of like what

[00:24:10] you would want to show children today.

[00:24:12] But we can't pretend like that isn't what those black boys at that time

[00:24:17] were being taught.

[00:24:18] And to me, it is a time capsule into how far we have come.

[00:24:24] My mom, I think I watched this with her because I remember her saying

[00:24:28] this movie shows how nasty these little boys are.

[00:24:31] They've always been nasty and they're always going to be nasty.

[00:24:33] I said, okay, mom.

[00:24:36] But it was very much like the scenes where they're trying to get their

[00:24:41] girls to have sex with them.

[00:24:43] I was like, Oh God, it has these lines haven't been used on me.

[00:24:47] In life, you know, I want to talk about that for a little bit because

[00:24:51] there's so much of like, I bet you can't grab her ass or the first

[00:24:57] one to get laid wins from the pussy pot or whatever.

[00:25:00] And I was like, I wonder how much of this is like boys actually being

[00:25:06] like that versus like us seeing the shit in movies and trying to emulate

[00:25:12] it, because I only know that side of it.

[00:25:14] I only know life post American graffiti.

[00:25:16] I only know like post porkies are posts, you know, all of these

[00:25:20] movies where it was just like, you know, boys trying to get laid

[00:25:23] where I feel like in my generation, like because we grew up watching

[00:25:27] those movies, it was natural to try to emulate it, but I don't

[00:25:31] know if that has a true Genesis and I'm sure it does.

[00:25:35] I just wasn't there for it to really know like if boys are naturally

[00:25:38] like that outside of the influence of media, I think it's important

[00:25:41] to note that this scene is supposed to take place in the mid 80s.

[00:25:45] And I think the reason why I'm pointing that out is at this point

[00:25:48] in time, we had a lot of movies came out, like I had already

[00:25:54] mentioned now and then stand by me all these movies that are looking

[00:25:58] at childhood from a different time, but telling the story in the 90s.

[00:26:03] And even they were kind of like, this is my memories of how things

[00:26:07] were not necessarily how things were for us in the 90s.

[00:26:11] And that's just like how I want to say, because you're right.

[00:26:14] Some of it doesn't feel true to what we would have done, but the three kids

[00:26:22] talking to each other and not knowing what they're talking about.

[00:26:25] That I feel does hold true that these kids having bets

[00:26:30] about absolutely nothing, like they won't bet about anything all the time.

[00:26:35] It's constantly a bet, but also like not really understanding the value of a dollar.

[00:26:40] You ain't got a dollar like that whole scene of like having a dollar,

[00:26:44] having a pin, all this other stuff to get girls' numbers.

[00:26:47] And it's like, what are you going to do with that?

[00:26:48] What is your intention?

[00:26:49] You don't really know where you're going with this.

[00:26:52] You're just, just acting.

[00:26:55] I, but I, I get what you're saying TC because I asked that question

[00:27:00] of myself a lot about so many things like when it comes to what came first,

[00:27:08] the chicken or the egg kind of situation, because the same could be said about

[00:27:13] like how we are trained with gender roles, essentially.

[00:27:18] Like what is, how would we naturally be if we didn't have some of the

[00:27:24] stuff told to us or taught to us?

[00:27:26] And now, like when we talked about quiet on the set, we have to imagine

[00:27:31] that there are some real creepy people and a lot of the times when we think

[00:27:37] about the movie industry and propaganda and what has been put in our faces

[00:27:43] and what we saw that they were putting in front of children has

[00:27:47] been happening for years.

[00:27:48] They're grooming us essentially to maybe be a little bit more

[00:27:52] sexualized, to be more open to things that maybe we wouldn't be.

[00:27:57] But because we're seeing it in a media standpoint, this is normal.

[00:28:01] This is what we're supposed to be doing.

[00:28:03] This is how you notice none of these guys ever, except for Alicia.

[00:28:08] That's her name, right?

[00:28:10] Besides his relationship with Alicia, none of these guys aren't really

[00:28:14] trying to talk to these girls.

[00:28:15] We didn't see anything about them liking each other, which isn't really

[00:28:19] that experience that most of us have when we first like someone.

[00:28:24] Yes, we like them because they're cute, but a lot of the times it's

[00:28:28] because we like the same things and it's just so innocent that first

[00:28:32] love that you have when you're young.

[00:28:34] So I'm so glad you brought that up because I questioned throughout the movie

[00:28:38] if like other than Mike, do Roland and Slim really like women?

[00:28:43] Even Mike, I'm like kind of questioning that.

[00:28:45] Like there seems to be a lot of homoerotic tension between the three

[00:28:49] of them just saying they seem to be far more concerned with what their

[00:28:54] friends think of them than what women think of them and their opinions of

[00:28:58] trying to look cool in front of their friends versus trying to be a good

[00:29:00] band for like, you know, a partner.

[00:29:03] So I just have the like, I had that question throughout the time.

[00:29:05] Like, do they even like women?

[00:29:07] They like the game.

[00:29:10] Yeah.

[00:29:10] Yeah.

[00:29:11] And I think that's important to note because that's like, even to this day,

[00:29:15] that is true too.

[00:29:16] What we are talking about men are trained to do.

[00:29:21] They are trained to bond with each other and to compete with each other.

[00:29:26] And the actual liking of a girl is secondary.

[00:29:30] There's a reason why when he likes Alicia, they all of their scenes are kind

[00:29:35] of on the sideline, but they don't really show intimacy and that they like

[00:29:39] each other in front of the other two because he understands that I need to

[00:29:44] keep this separate if I want it to be special.

[00:29:47] If I were to parade Alicia around in front of them, I'm going to have

[00:29:52] to behave a specific way.

[00:29:54] You're going to say things that are probably going to make me choose

[00:29:59] to be disingenuous to her.

[00:30:03] And there is something to be said about the fact that that is what,

[00:30:07] especially at the time we were training boys to do.

[00:30:11] And I think something about you guys were talking about whether or not this

[00:30:15] was grooming or if this is like a story that they told to us that

[00:30:20] didn't really happen.

[00:30:21] I think that what we were getting were people who were telling their

[00:30:25] truths about how their childhoods were.

[00:30:28] But we can look back and be like, baby, you were emulating something

[00:30:32] you never should have been exposed to.

[00:30:34] You know, it's like you, you're trying to behave like the men

[00:30:37] that you saw in your life, but they should have never shown you

[00:30:40] that side of it.

[00:30:41] You should have never been trying to emulate that.

[00:30:45] Am I making sense?

[00:30:46] Yeah.

[00:30:46] And I feel like had Mike not met these two bozo, he might not have,

[00:30:53] because that wasn't his experience.

[00:30:55] You know, he was living with his mom.

[00:30:57] He was very innocent.

[00:30:58] He wasn't thinking about grabbing a butt or anything like that.

[00:31:02] And that, or if he was, he wasn't bold enough to do it.

[00:31:05] But these idiots that he's friends with are exposing him

[00:31:09] to this kind of lifestyle.

[00:31:11] But I think that's the conversation we're seeing on the internet right

[00:31:14] now with women talking about like, do men really like us?

[00:31:20] They're not taught to even think of women as whole people, you know?

[00:31:28] And there's one conversation where they're saying that a lot of men

[00:31:32] don't even end up with their type or they don't date the women that they

[00:31:37] actually like because the whole goal is to show off to their friends.

[00:31:44] Or it's what other people are going to judge them on.

[00:31:48] Other men, they date for other men.

[00:31:51] The woman that's going to represent like what they value.

[00:31:57] And I find that to be very interesting.

[00:31:59] And I think that actually, you know, when I think about the structure of

[00:32:02] the movie, I think the movie would have been far stronger if we just

[00:32:06] like were introduced to them as older characters in the beginning and spent

[00:32:10] the entire movie with them as young characters, because I would have loved

[00:32:14] to see like a difference between like, hey, we were children then and

[00:32:18] we're adults now if both Slim and Mike were in relationships and Roland was

[00:32:22] just the one being like, oh, you guys remember when we were young?

[00:32:24] Like something like that to show that like, Hey, no, we've matured

[00:32:27] past that, but they're kind of the same assholes at the end of the

[00:32:30] movie that they worked throughout the entire thing.

[00:32:32] And that was just like, I don't know.

[00:32:35] But ain't that the thing though?

[00:32:36] Like, I mean, like here's like, I think, I think what we're talking

[00:32:39] about, especially as like, like 20 years out is we're like, I would

[00:32:43] have expected to see some kind of growth.

[00:32:45] In reality, it's like you may have been asking too much at that point

[00:32:49] in time, you know, like as we said, they're only like 28 or so by

[00:32:53] the end of the film.

[00:32:55] And I think that the structure of the film, the way that I looked

[00:33:00] at it this particular time anyway, was I was like, they aren't that

[00:33:03] much different, but it does show a sincerity in their relationship

[00:33:11] with each other.

[00:33:12] Like what I mean by this is Slim, even though their behaviors with

[00:33:16] each other, Slim and Rod, their behaviors with each other are still

[00:33:19] very childish, Slim is constantly trying to get Roland to say that

[00:33:28] he is committed to this.

[00:33:30] Do you want to get married?

[00:33:32] You say, you're saying this, are you sure?

[00:33:35] He is constantly being like, you're getting married.

[00:33:37] This is something that you said that you want to do.

[00:33:39] So you're following through on it.

[00:33:41] So he is holding his friend accountable, but it's like they

[00:33:46] needed to, it's a thing where it's like they need to kind of check

[00:33:53] with each other first.

[00:33:55] You know, it's like, it's less of a Roland made the decision on his

[00:34:00] own and it's more like Roland made the decision and they are there

[00:34:03] to help him commit.

[00:34:05] Execute.

[00:34:06] I mean, it would almost been better if it was like he was going to

[00:34:10] propose to Lisa.

[00:34:12] Yeah.

[00:34:12] And they were checking in with him.

[00:34:14] Like is this because like, Hey, you went and got drunk, which

[00:34:18] you don't typically do with this girl.

[00:34:20] Like, are we sure these are the decisions we are wanting to

[00:34:23] make really, really?

[00:34:25] Like the day of the wedding, it's a little too late.

[00:34:28] Roland.

[00:34:28] It is wild.

[00:34:31] Then he showed up at another woman's house drunk being like,

[00:34:34] you guys got to get out of here.

[00:34:35] Cause I'm trying to tap that.

[00:34:36] And it's like, it's your wedding day.

[00:34:39] Like we should be beyond any of this at this point.

[00:34:42] Like I understand trying to like sing, like show what cold feet

[00:34:46] would be, but this just seemed like he decided moments before the

[00:34:49] wedding that he was going to go through it.

[00:34:51] And it just, I had no attachment to him as a character because of

[00:34:55] that, but he wasn't a likable character throughout the entire movie.

[00:34:59] He wasn't.

[00:35:00] And I just don't understand how Lisa went through it because you

[00:35:06] are embarrassing me.

[00:35:08] This is, this is embarrassing.

[00:35:11] Like my parents are here.

[00:35:13] My dad has to crane your neck at this point.

[00:35:17] You, my bridesmaids, like everyone who I love is watching me panic

[00:35:24] to think the person who I'm supposed to marry is literally

[00:35:27] almost signaling that he does not want to be with me.

[00:35:31] Yeah.

[00:35:32] I'm going to say, I'm going to point out that it's probably like

[00:35:36] really uncomfortable, but we have to admit that again, this movie was

[00:35:39] made in 99, which is almost a boys will be boys mentality.

[00:35:45] I'm not saying that I agree with it.

[00:35:46] I'm saying that everyone in the movie, even like the adults when they're

[00:35:50] talking and they're like, Oh, you know, Roland, you know, slim.

[00:35:54] Like everyone's like, everyone is looking at these three boys.

[00:35:58] Like we do know how they are.

[00:35:59] Like it's not that we are expecting more of them.

[00:36:03] If anything, they are living up to what we do expect.

[00:36:07] And the fact that Roland does go through it with it is the quote unquote

[00:36:13] crows.

[00:36:13] I'm not saying that it should be that way.

[00:36:15] I'm saying that the movie kind of paints this picture of by them

[00:36:19] getting to the point of one of them getting married.

[00:36:22] They have achieved and done above and beyond because everyone knows them

[00:36:29] and they know what to expect.

[00:36:30] Like there's that scene where Roland is talking through the door at Lisa.

[00:36:36] And, you know, you have Mike trying to help and slim coming in and

[00:36:41] saying all the things that he needs to.

[00:36:43] And everyone's like, Oh yeah.

[00:36:44] Like the bridesmaids are like, you know, this is gross for them.

[00:36:47] This is advancement for them.

[00:36:48] And that's just kind of like how I feel this movie is saying it's

[00:36:51] like at the time this was them being adults and being mature.

[00:36:58] Uh,

[00:37:00] strange that like, okay.

[00:37:02] So like when they're older versions of their teenage self, they finally

[00:37:06] have that conversation of like, I'm never going to lock down.

[00:37:09] Like you can't put a leash around my neck.

[00:37:10] And it's like, I felt like that sentiment should have been hinted

[00:37:13] to that throughout the movie.

[00:37:15] Like maybe show that like Roland comes from like parents who fight

[00:37:20] all the time or his mom got abused or something to make him like, be

[00:37:23] like, I don't want that because to, you know, uh, Danielle's point,

[00:37:27] we spend the entire movie is strengthening Mike's backstory

[00:37:31] when he's not the central character or the central person of this issue.

[00:37:35] So it just feels like they could have done more to show that Roland

[00:37:38] was a person who was never about commitment and like, you know, Mike

[00:37:43] says in his speech, like, you know, it takes the one woman to turn that

[00:37:47] around, but it's like, we didn't see any examples of that throughout the

[00:37:50] movie to support that argument.

[00:37:53] It would have made more sense if maybe slim went and disappeared because

[00:37:58] I think what they could have centered was the ending of what would feel

[00:38:02] like the ending of their friendship or because you're going into this

[00:38:07] new era.

[00:38:08] And so you could see both guys trying to find the third guy, like

[00:38:13] what the hell's going on?

[00:38:15] The responsible one.

[00:38:16] If Mike had been the one who like, didn't keep it together and say what

[00:38:21] his fears were about this marriage, you know, that felt like it came out

[00:38:25] of nowhere by the way, when he was like, I was feeling selfish because

[00:38:29] I thought my friendship was going to end.

[00:38:31] I was like, there was nothing in this movie that led me to think

[00:38:33] that you felt that way.

[00:38:34] Yeah, no.

[00:38:35] And I'll be damned if I'm getting married and my husband's best

[00:38:40] Frank gets up there and talk about like, y'all have made my wedding

[00:38:45] about your little friendship.

[00:38:47] Y'all had this conversation in the bedroom before you came out here

[00:38:52] embarrassing.

[00:38:53] You already embarrassed me.

[00:38:54] This is just making it worse.

[00:38:56] I'm gonna stab all of you motherfuckers when I see you after this wedding.

[00:39:00] Yep.

[00:39:01] That's to your point.

[00:39:02] I think the story would have been better as an engagement story.

[00:39:05] Like if we were watching him prepare to engage, to get engaged, I

[00:39:10] think it would to your point, Danielle, not make it so intense to where we

[00:39:17] feel like he has actually betrayed his wife to be because getting cold feet

[00:39:22] before the proposal completely makes sense and you would still have the

[00:39:25] entire family there and you could still focus on the friendship.

[00:39:29] I think it is a little weird that we spend all of this time.

[00:39:34] We as the audience know that they are like going around getting pizza,

[00:39:39] hanging out.

[00:39:40] They almost have like a little mini bachelor party.

[00:39:42] You're like, you had two hours.

[00:39:44] Yeah.

[00:39:45] Two hours lasted forever.

[00:39:47] Like every time we came back to the future, they said, we still have two

[00:39:49] hours.

[00:39:50] I was like, what have y'all been doing this whole time?

[00:39:52] Yeah.

[00:39:53] And drive clean.

[00:39:54] I got so mad at Slim when Roland was like, I need you to stop the car.

[00:40:00] Yes.

[00:40:01] You know that this idiot has been drinking.

[00:40:03] That's just common sense that he might throw up.

[00:40:05] Why were you so like, I could say that Slim got on my nerves.

[00:40:09] So fucking much.

[00:40:11] Irritation because I loved him.

[00:40:14] I thought he was so, I know, I think it's, I know that character so much.

[00:40:20] That character is nothing but a sweet talker always has something to say

[00:40:25] loud and just thinks he's the funniest person.

[00:40:29] And that to me made him funny.

[00:40:31] Not because he is the funniest person, because I know he thinks he is.

[00:40:36] Yeah.

[00:40:36] He's a hot mess.

[00:40:38] I never saw a movie make Taye Diggs so uncharming before.

[00:40:42] I'll say that.

[00:40:43] I really like him without hair.

[00:40:45] When I go back, I talk about it a lot because now we've done like five or

[00:40:50] six Taye Diggs movies and we're doing like three this year.

[00:40:53] It's crazy.

[00:40:55] But I've noticed that baby boy looks way better with a bald head than

[00:41:00] what these little like that hairline.

[00:41:02] Where is it?

[00:41:03] Where is it going?

[00:41:04] I don't know.

[00:41:06] He should have shaved it a long time ago.

[00:41:07] That's all I'm saying.

[00:41:09] Makes his head look small.

[00:41:11] I agree.

[00:41:12] I just, the other route they could have gone was Mike is getting married to

[00:41:18] someone else and they're reminiscing because Alicia was such a big part of

[00:41:24] his life and like, are you really sure?

[00:41:28] Because like we know she moved to New York.

[00:41:31] She made choices for her career, but is that not something you want to

[00:41:36] continue to pursue or something like that would have felt way more authentic

[00:41:41] than this kind of fluff mess we got.

[00:41:48] It was so fluffed too, it was like, you know, they'd cut to the future

[00:41:51] and they'd be like, remember when we sold Tic Tacs and then they like

[00:41:54] flashback to like the whole story of them like doing the Tic Tac thing.

[00:41:57] And I was just like, it would have just been better just to show us

[00:42:00] that without you guys doing the little like prep for that sequence.

[00:42:04] Like that's what it felt like.

[00:42:05] It felt like there were sketches and then we come to the future just

[00:42:07] to prep for those sketches.

[00:42:10] I think to Jackie's point that it would have made more sense if they

[00:42:18] focused on like Mike getting married and Alicia, or they're preparing

[00:42:25] for the wedding or getting ready to go to the wedding.

[00:42:28] They're just, Mike didn't even have to like, not Mike,

[00:42:31] Roland didn't even have to run away.

[00:42:33] They could have just been like chilling in the room, reminiscing.

[00:42:36] A bachelor party.

[00:42:38] Something like that.

[00:42:39] Yeah, they're getting ready.

[00:42:40] They, or they're just chilling.

[00:42:42] And then the focus is on Mike being anxious because he hasn't seen Alicia

[00:42:48] in so long and then they're flashing back to their childhood and their

[00:42:52] relationship because there's this anxiety that this woman, the woman of

[00:42:57] my dreams, my love is coming and I haven't seen her in years.

[00:43:02] That would have been more interesting.

[00:43:03] You know, like it would have flowed in.

[00:43:05] I felt like there were two different scripts of like guys getting ready for

[00:43:08] a wedding and then kids growing up that they were like, let's just slice

[00:43:11] this together without them really being that connected.

[00:43:14] Well, it's okay.

[00:43:15] So it's semi-autobiography, a semi-autobiography essentially that

[00:43:22] it's really about Rick and his best friend and his best friend getting

[00:43:26] married, so a lot of this is pulled from that experience.

[00:43:31] He, but his best friend claims I never had cold feet.

[00:43:34] I did not do that part, but they, his wife said that the wedding of how it

[00:43:40] looks is almost exactly how their actual wedding was.

[00:43:44] So as for the child-

[00:43:46] That's interesting for it being like a hot mess, it being like, well,

[00:43:50] I'm just trying to include as many details in my life as possible

[00:43:52] without thinking of it from a story perspective makes so much sense.

[00:43:56] And, but, and then as for the like childhood elements, he said not much

[00:44:01] of it is he pulls from his childhood.

[00:44:03] Like he moved from another place to Inglewood.

[00:44:06] So that is true, but everything else isn't necessarily fully his life.

[00:44:12] But I question.

[00:44:15] I want to give the movie credit because even though I don't always

[00:44:20] think of this as a good thing, I do want to highlight it for this

[00:44:25] entire movie is kind of women putting up with men.

[00:44:29] And like, like even when they go to the drive-thru, when they go to Tanya's,

[00:44:33] like everyone's just like, Oh, you know, like they're, they're putting

[00:44:36] up with these men, but even in their childhood, when we're looking at it

[00:44:39] and they're trying to get laid and they're doing all these things, it

[00:44:42] shows that the women are smarter than these men and they're women kind

[00:44:46] of like always know the angle that they're trying to play and they, they

[00:44:50] even give Alisha the agency of like, I understand what's going on with Mike,

[00:44:56] but instead of like calling him out, I'll decide whether or not I want

[00:45:00] to participate, whether, you know, it's very clear that Alisha has a

[00:45:03] crush on him, but she plays it cool and she lets him kind of flounder

[00:45:08] and she comes in when she wants to come in.

[00:45:10] And I just wanted to give the movie credit for like being like, no,

[00:45:13] these, these girls were smarter than them.

[00:45:16] Yeah.

[00:45:17] I think it does a really good job.

[00:45:20] Um, I would say Alicia's character is not one dimensional, which I appreciate.

[00:45:27] I appreciate that they gave her like, she's not just the object of his

[00:45:33] desire, she's seen, like you said, they make a lot of these women very

[00:45:38] intelligent, which, you know, doesn't really happen when you're seeing

[00:45:42] especially teen comedies from a male perspective, which is nice.

[00:45:47] Also, I appreciate that there wasn't any nakedness because we did see

[00:45:51] when you talk about American pie, you see tits, you see.

[00:45:54] Excuse me.

[00:45:55] There's so much male ass in the back yard scene.

[00:45:59] That's fine.

[00:45:59] Not mad at it.

[00:46:00] So much.

[00:46:02] If you want to talk about rewind, I forgot this moment until I saw it

[00:46:08] and I was like, I have definitely paused this scene.

[00:46:12] TC overruled.

[00:46:17] Not a problem.

[00:46:18] We don't have enough ass and you're right.

[00:46:22] More peeing in the film to see just point real fast about how he was like,

[00:46:26] you know, they're putting all of it on women.

[00:46:29] You know, one of the things the movie says is like at the end, they're

[00:46:32] like, well, it takes a special woman to make a man change, but I just

[00:46:36] kind of hate that whole mindset that it's like a man can just be a fucking

[00:46:40] idiot forever and it's on the woman to like make him change.

[00:46:44] And if that man doesn't change, that's because you weren't the right woman

[00:46:47] versus him not just like taking accountability and growing up.

[00:46:51] So I was really frustrated with that aspect of it.

[00:46:53] Yeah.

[00:46:53] Nobody wants to do emotional labor to like just the positioning of women

[00:46:59] being like we can't get equal rights.

[00:47:03] We can't get equity in life, but somehow we are the better of the

[00:47:09] genders and that it's our responsibility because we're more mature or whatever

[00:47:15] nonsense that is kind of put on us to have to elevate men.

[00:47:21] And I think that's what's happening right now that we're struggling

[00:47:25] with communication with each other and women saying, okay, I'm not trying

[00:47:30] to take on this emotional labor anymore.

[00:47:32] We're tired.

[00:47:34] And we also don't have to, because we were depending on men financially.

[00:47:42] We weren't able to have autonomy in a lot of places.

[00:47:45] And now that we are, we're questioning, okay, well, what do we want

[00:47:48] from partnerships?

[00:47:49] What do we want to have in relationships?

[00:47:51] What does that look like?

[00:47:53] And now we're in this movie.

[00:47:55] We weren't having these guys have any of the standard bar was in hell.

[00:48:00] And now we're even asking for the smallest amount.

[00:48:05] And we're getting a reign of terror.

[00:48:07] Men are crying and upset.

[00:48:09] And we're just like, we just, we just want us to like be partners.

[00:48:14] Sure.

[00:48:14] Not trying to be better or worse.

[00:48:16] We just want us to like be on the same page.

[00:48:20] But if you've been, if you've been benefiting from a broken system for so

[00:48:26] long, it's really, really hard to say that I need to change this.

[00:48:33] Absolutely.

[00:48:34] It's funny because this movie in a way doesn't reward the male

[00:48:41] characters for their behavior.

[00:48:43] Like if we think about it, I'm not saying that it's good story wise,

[00:48:46] because it does kind of feel like we're missing something.

[00:48:49] But when we see adult Alicia, her and Mike don't get back together.

[00:48:53] It's not like we see, you know, like, oh, they've rekindled their flame.

[00:48:56] And now they're together again.

[00:48:58] Uh, no, she's moved to New York.

[00:49:00] She's living her own life again, even with Tanya.

[00:49:04] Tanya is like, Oh, I have a man.

[00:49:06] You ain't coming in my house.

[00:49:09] It constantly is showing all of these women get theirs and do what they need

[00:49:14] to do and these men have each other.

[00:49:18] And again, like it's a little mixed message because you're like, is this

[00:49:22] romantic?

[00:49:23] Are we supposed to want Alicia and Mike's to be together?

[00:49:26] But at the end of the day, what it shows us is that Alicia was able to go off

[00:49:30] and be successful on her own.

[00:49:32] Tanya has her own house and she knows where to draw the line with these

[00:49:36] boys.

[00:49:37] You know, like even if you want to make the argument, all of their

[00:49:41] mothers are not having any of their nonsense.

[00:49:44] You know, the movie is constantly not rewarding these men for their

[00:49:50] inability to do better.

[00:49:53] I thought the Mike and Alicia thing was kind of open-ended.

[00:49:57] Like I thought there was an opening at the end because he asked, like, he

[00:50:01] inquires about New York in a sense that like what's going on out there

[00:50:05] was available, like almost like he was saying, I'm thinking about it.

[00:50:09] I'm looking at options.

[00:50:11] So I was like, Oh, he kind of left the door open for that one.

[00:50:16] But he's thinking about moving to New York.

[00:50:18] That's my point.

[00:50:19] My point is it's saying that he was the one who needed to consider making a

[00:50:24] sacrifice for her.

[00:50:26] And I think a lesser movie, they would have made Alicia be like, Oh, New

[00:50:32] York didn't have what I need.

[00:50:34] What I needed was here.

[00:50:35] You know, like in a lesser movie, it would have had either Tanya sleep with

[00:50:42] Roland or have it to where like they catch and like maybe it almost happened.

[00:50:48] You know, like this movie just very is defiant in knowing who the women

[00:50:54] characters are and like where their boundaries are.

[00:50:57] But it also does kind of focus on these three men in a way that just

[00:51:02] feels I think that's where we're all kind of like, what did you want me

[00:51:05] to take away from this?

[00:51:08] To your point of like not rewarding bad behavior, I will say that I liked

[00:51:12] that the reason why Mike was able to, you know, lose his virginity was because

[00:51:18] he took the time to like get to know Alicia as a woman and as a person.

[00:51:23] And like it wasn't this like, you go give me blue balls.

[00:51:26] You know, it wasn't this led into it.

[00:51:29] It was like a human connection that led to it.

[00:51:31] So, you know, I

[00:51:33] was her choice.

[00:51:34] She, she has all the power in that situation.

[00:51:37] She brings him home.

[00:51:38] She's like, do you have protection?

[00:51:40] Oh, it broke.

[00:51:41] Well, then if you want this good, then you go get another one.

[00:51:43] Right.

[00:51:44] She is very much like the dominant one in that whole situation.

[00:51:51] She's the adult.

[00:51:53] I mean, it's kind of hard because in some way that's like we are putting

[00:51:58] the onus on these black women to be more mature than the men.

[00:52:02] But also I think it's good that we show young black women actually speak

[00:52:08] up and say, no, this isn't happening.

[00:52:10] They're not just one though.

[00:52:12] All of the girls that they are smarter than them.

[00:52:16] And they're just like, like I'm not like that one girl who's getting

[00:52:19] fingers like I'm getting mine.

[00:52:20] That's actually a contrast from when you see these other movies where women,

[00:52:27] there's constant sex.

[00:52:28] These girls are constantly just giving it up.

[00:52:31] And there is no like you don't see those conversations.

[00:52:34] You don't see any kind of friction.

[00:52:37] It's very easy for them to be having sex.

[00:52:41] So I did like that.

[00:52:42] I like that he struggled with the condom because it's like I think men

[00:52:47] and boys need to see that movies make it seem so easy.

[00:52:52] And talk about that.

[00:52:55] You should know how to put a condom on before you start go mess around.

[00:53:00] And when he lasted five seconds and you could see on her face

[00:53:06] just reading that scene, she said so much without really saying much.

[00:53:11] And she didn't embarrass him for it.

[00:53:16] Even though she was like, what the hell did I just get?

[00:53:18] I had so much respect for her not embarrassing him.

[00:53:21] But I also thought that he deserved

[00:53:24] to be embarrassed because when they first try to have sex,

[00:53:27] this boy is trying to fuck with sneakers on.

[00:53:29] I was like, you have respect for no one at this point.

[00:53:34] But again, it's his hubris,

[00:53:36] which is because like one of the more famous lines from this movie is,

[00:53:40] is this supposed to look like that?

[00:53:43] I guess what it's funny is he just he's like, yeah.

[00:53:46] And like that's his answer for everything.

[00:53:48] Like he doesn't know what he's doing, but like he's so confident with it.

[00:53:51] He's always like, yes, it is.

[00:53:54] And I think that resolve in every scene is just like, yep,

[00:54:00] like we no matter who's questioning me, if I'm in the right,

[00:54:06] if I don't know shit, I'm just going to be confident.

[00:54:12] Absolutely.

[00:54:13] One of my favorite parts of this movie,

[00:54:16] which isn't really about the sex stuff, but I love that when Stacy is

[00:54:20] robbing the convenience store, he stops to just have like a casual

[00:54:25] conversation in the middle of it, and I just thought that was so hilarious.

[00:54:31] I love Stacy's character.

[00:54:33] He's great.

[00:54:34] Stacy is an iconic part of this movie.

[00:54:37] Like, I think I thought he was in more of the movie because of how iconic

[00:54:42] the character is and it's so well played.

[00:54:46] And again, for me, I was able to see kind of how childish he is.

[00:54:52] And like, like, I think you forget, especially when you see gangsters

[00:54:56] in like movies like this, that they're also supposed to be like 17, 18 years

[00:55:01] old and you really get that sense without it being like, well, you know,

[00:55:06] like where his mom's like do his laundry or whatever.

[00:55:09] You can tell that this boy is living

[00:55:12] in the environment that he's living in, he does what he has to do.

[00:55:16] But he's also still very childish,

[00:55:19] but he's also a really good brother and he can see the difference between

[00:55:23] Mike and Roland and Slim.

[00:55:26] He sees the difference.

[00:55:27] He takes the time.

[00:55:29] He's rooting for Mike when Mike gets his sister.

[00:55:32] You know, he's like, yes, I want my sister to be with someone who actually

[00:55:36] likes her, and I also I see that you have guts and that you have something.

[00:55:43] You have character in a way that other

[00:55:46] people don't and I want to reward that in the way that I can.

[00:55:49] Yeah,

[00:55:50] I thought it was super cool because I do love the movie Dope.

[00:55:55] So that's the other movie that Rick made and that there is a tie in

[00:56:01] because Stacey is in the movie and he's playing a security guard at a high school

[00:56:07] that the kids go to.

[00:56:09] And so you kind of see that, oh, he makes it in life like he's

[00:56:13] he's grown, he's learned.

[00:56:15] And if you haven't seen Dope, we'll never be able to cover it on

[00:56:19] the podcast, but you should definitely check it out.

[00:56:21] It's a really good movie.

[00:56:24] Yeah, I love Dope.

[00:56:25] I watch it and I get that little shout out of seeing Stacey again is fantastic

[00:56:31] because you do like for me, when I watch his character, you're like, man,

[00:56:34] I hope you get out of this.

[00:56:35] I hope you know, I was hoping he would have been at the wedding

[00:56:38] at the end, obviously.

[00:56:39] I would have hoped that he would have like formed a friendship with them

[00:56:41] after this, you know, like there would have been some kind of continuation

[00:56:44] to this character. Yeah, it is kind of weird that the last thing we really

[00:56:48] see of him is like the botched, his botched attempt to have sex

[00:56:53] because Mike was under the bed.

[00:56:55] Like that's a really poor way to leave that character because he makes such

[00:56:59] a good impact and he very clearly he had depth in a way that I feel

[00:57:06] like we all want to know more about Stacey.

[00:57:08] Yeah.

[00:57:09] It was the dipshit older brother more than you like kind of lovable

[00:57:13] in a way more than a gang member.

[00:57:14] When she slapped him, I felt that slap when so, you know, he might pinched his

[00:57:22] pinched her butt and then she's like, I'm gonna tell my brother.

[00:57:25] And then her brother comes and whips his ass.

[00:57:27] But, you know, Mike getting that one good hit on him,

[00:57:31] I think that's really what he that's what he was bragging about when he

[00:57:35] introduced Mike to his friend, and I just thought, man,

[00:57:40] how your sister going to dog you out if you're trying to

[00:57:44] show her respect and like help her out and then she's going to slap you like that.

[00:57:50] And he didn't he got upset, but he didn't

[00:57:53] react in a way I thought he was going to react.

[00:57:55] Yeah, which is nice.

[00:57:57] That scene has a very funny line where he goes, I saw a hand coming from heaven.

[00:58:01] Oh, wait, no, that was his face.

[00:58:04] So that was really funny.

[00:58:06] And then also T, as you pointed out, while we're in the convenience store

[00:58:12] and they're very clearly robbing it, when he goes, Stacy, I was like, don't say his name.

[00:58:19] It was like, y'all want some snacks or something?

[00:58:21] I'll give you a ride.

[00:58:23] And again, Swim like, oh, I was thirsty.

[00:58:25] It's like, boy, you want me to do this part?

[00:58:28] I love when the cops pull them over

[00:58:31] and they're crying in the front seat.

[00:58:34] And that is another testament to how young these kids actually are.

[00:58:39] And they're trying to act tough and stuff,

[00:58:41] but really, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

[00:58:45] And I'm like, oh, I also thought it was really important in that scene

[00:58:49] that both of the cops were black, like it didn't bring a racial component in it.

[00:58:54] It just showed what happens when you're young and dumb.

[00:58:56] And it kind of took away that other layer of it.

[00:58:58] I think we were able to just see them as kids versus black kids.

[00:59:01] Yeah.

[00:59:02] Well, I would challenge that because we are still in L.A.

[00:59:06] This is still Inglewood and LAPD, specifically at this time, we do know.

[00:59:12] And we can see the way the cops like we know that these kids just robbed

[00:59:18] a convenience store, but the cops don't know that.

[00:59:20] So they are harassing these kids for no real reasons.

[00:59:23] The way that he kind of like handles

[00:59:26] Stacey and then wipes his hand on him and all this other stuff.

[00:59:29] It is still disrespectful.

[00:59:31] And again, the audience knows that they are guilty of something.

[00:59:36] But the cops don't.

[00:59:37] They don't really have any reason.

[00:59:40] And I think that that to me was important to show that, A, they were black

[00:59:45] cops, so it's not just like a racial issue that it's going to happen.

[00:59:48] It's cops versus this community.

[00:59:50] I thought it was interesting how.

[00:59:54] Like, I felt so nervous when the cops pulled them over and it's

[00:59:59] that that element of they're still kids.

[01:00:02] You could tell that Stacey is trying to be cool and chill,

[01:00:07] but you can see the fear on his face.

[01:00:10] It's surprising how well Mike actually does in comparison to his homeboys

[01:00:15] who always talking shit, and it always turns out that way.

[01:00:19] The ones who talk shit are ready to cry.

[01:00:21] But ain't that the way?

[01:00:23] But that scene, I was actually nervous for them.

[01:00:27] And so I'm glad he put that scene

[01:00:29] in, because that is a reality for so many.

[01:00:33] That is a part of a black teen experience

[01:00:36] for especially a black male to be pulled over and how much more you're

[01:00:41] pulled over in comparison to your counterparts, which is unfortunate.

[01:00:46] My one thing is

[01:00:49] he says while they're in the middle of robbing the convenience store,

[01:00:52] let me give you all a ride to the dance.

[01:00:54] So again, they are giving way too much information.

[01:00:56] But I'm like, how far was this convenient store?

[01:00:58] They said it was right around the corner.

[01:01:00] Yet we see you driving for so long and enough for you to get pulled over.

[01:01:05] And then we still have the drive to the school.

[01:01:08] Where was this convenience store?

[01:01:10] I was surprised I was questioning that, too.

[01:01:14] But also, did you guys notice in

[01:01:16] the convenience store scene when they're older, when they go in,

[01:01:20] that the three men behind the counter are actually the director and his two

[01:01:25] friends, the slim and the Roland of his life.

[01:01:30] I didn't know that.

[01:01:32] Yeah, that's a great.

[01:01:33] Because if you watch that scene, you're just like, why are there three people

[01:01:38] behind the counter? Why are they just standing there?

[01:01:42] You made more sense for them just to be other patrons of the convenience

[01:01:47] store and not all just agree behind the counter.

[01:01:52] Waiting in line would have made way more sense.

[01:01:56] Well, I was just like, I had to look.

[01:01:59] I was trying to look up and see what I could find because, again, not a lot

[01:02:04] of fun notes for this movie, and I thought that was great.

[01:02:09] Which is that in the dance sequence, we see a young Christina Millian.

[01:02:13] Yes.

[01:02:14] And I called out.

[01:02:17] Yes.

[01:02:18] She looks so young in that movie.

[01:02:20] And I don't think it's our first movie, but it's got to be one of her first

[01:02:24] movies. It's like, look at her little Christina baby.

[01:02:32] Let's let's talk about the soundtrack.

[01:02:34] I know you guys are dying to talk about it.

[01:02:38] This soundtrack was fire.

[01:02:40] And again, we were eaten during this time period.

[01:02:44] We had all these wonderful black movies and they had amazing soundtracks.

[01:02:48] Now, I know that you mentioned

[01:02:52] TC, you mentioned the Joe song.

[01:02:54] Yeah.

[01:02:55] So funny fact about that is that Joe

[01:03:00] he was having issues with his record company.

[01:03:02] I think it was Jive at the time and that song

[01:03:07] is it I want to know?

[01:03:08] I want to know.

[01:03:10] I don't know.

[01:03:12] I keep going.

[01:03:14] That song was supposed to be on his 1997 album.

[01:03:18] And he couldn't get it on.

[01:03:21] It wasn't included.

[01:03:23] And so when they were looking for music for this soundtrack, he was like, oh,

[01:03:27] you can have this one.

[01:03:28] Like it's like a throwaway song, essentially.

[01:03:30] Wow.

[01:03:31] And then that's what it hits.

[01:03:33] It's like one of his biggest hits.

[01:03:34] Yeah, it's so good.

[01:03:36] So the soundtrack was released July 13th, 1999 by Drive Records.

[01:03:42] And it reached it peaked at number 16 on the Billboard 200

[01:03:48] and to the second spot on the top R&B hip hop albums chart.

[01:03:54] And it went certified gold by August 25th, 1999.

[01:03:58] So only in two months it went gold.

[01:04:00] Think about that.

[01:04:02] That's it was a golden era for soundtracks.

[01:04:05] You know, I think I mentioned this

[01:04:06] on our podcast that amateur black filmmakers are the reason why we have

[01:04:11] movie soundtracks like in the 70s when they were doing indie black films,

[01:04:15] they couldn't get promotion for them.

[01:04:17] So like for Shaft, for example, they were like, let's just put together a soundtrack

[01:04:21] and release it ahead of time for promotion for the movie.

[01:04:25] And then that started gaining traction

[01:04:27] to the point where when Saturday Night Fever came out, they were like, oh,

[01:04:31] we got to do that.

[01:04:32] And the Bee Gees obviously were huge on that.

[01:04:34] And so it snowballed from there.

[01:04:36] But it was originally just indie black

[01:04:38] filmmakers just trying to get their movie promotion.

[01:04:40] And it still works. It worked all throughout the 2000s too.

[01:04:43] Not surprised.

[01:04:45] I will say I want more of the like, I was like, where is the MTV movies?

[01:04:51] I want more movies that are telling stories about teenagers and children

[01:04:57] and that have really good soundtracks.

[01:05:00] I feel like we've lost that art of like making music for a movie,

[01:05:06] having it go all together, as you said, we ate in the 90s.

[01:05:09] There were so many really good soundtracks with really good artists

[01:05:13] that became like iconic songs.

[01:05:17] I think

[01:05:18] I hate to say it, but I don't think we're going to get those back again

[01:05:23] because of streaming. It's just not the same streaming music, streaming movies.

[01:05:30] I do see a shift in how it's like something similar.

[01:05:35] You know, some of my favorite teeny bopper shows that I secretly watch,

[01:05:39] but not secretly, like The Summer I Became Pretty,

[01:05:42] I will go then to Spotify and listen to the soundtrack of the show or whatever.

[01:05:49] It's just a different experience.

[01:05:50] It's happening, but in a different like, it's not.

[01:05:53] I don't know if it's going to be the same.

[01:05:55] They would have to make a commitment to doing that.

[01:05:58] And I don't know if they are.

[01:06:00] Also, I think we're not universally

[01:06:03] having that same experience at the same time because we all have so much

[01:06:07] choice. You know, when it comes to movies, people are in their silos now.

[01:06:12] It feels like it is rare that we are all having

[01:06:17] a community experience with a piece of media anymore.

[01:06:20] Rare, but not impossible.

[01:06:22] Barbie had a great soundtrack.

[01:06:24] Yeah, you're right.

[01:06:25] It's not possible.

[01:06:26] I was going to say I could still want it.

[01:06:28] I still want it.

[01:06:29] No, I'm just saying that like it is a disappointment.

[01:06:33] It sucks.

[01:06:35] But what the Barbie movie did was it went back to old school marketing.

[01:06:40] It did actual marketing.

[01:06:43] And we just see that these studios become very lazy about that.

[01:06:48] Also, they want things to just go viral.

[01:06:50] And that's it.

[01:06:50] Like that is their marketing plan.

[01:06:52] And we all know that's not how that works.

[01:06:55] So Barbie, people should be looking at how they did Barbie.

[01:07:00] But they they're also thinking, oh, well,

[01:07:02] Barbie put a lot of money behind their marketing campaigns.

[01:07:06] But it was just smart how they did everything.

[01:07:08] And it paid off, though.

[01:07:09] Like I said, I think the problem is they want to be lazy and they want to put

[01:07:14] in as little effort as possible and still get things.

[01:07:17] And as we said, like with movies or like in the 90s or whatever,

[01:07:20] you had to put an effort, you had to curate a soundtrack.

[01:07:25] You had to promote the movie.

[01:07:27] You had to get really good talent.

[01:07:29] It says something that a lot of the actors

[01:07:32] in this movie are really big names now, or they had really good careers after this.

[01:07:38] Like you have to put in the effort if

[01:07:41] you want your movies to be talked about 20 years later.

[01:07:45] I also think it's something that I correct me if I'm wrong.

[01:07:50] If anyone else has an example, I can't think of another movie we've

[01:07:54] gotten in a while that does the both the younger version of the cast and the older

[01:08:00] version, like in one movie where you are telling two stories kind of like Stand

[01:08:05] By Me will not even stand by me.

[01:08:07] But now and then I just can't think of a movie.

[01:08:10] Can I tell you the best one in recent memory that does it is the new edition?

[01:08:14] Yes.

[01:08:15] Like that biopic.

[01:08:16] It's a series.

[01:08:17] It's not a movie, but they do it so well in terms of showing the young and the old.

[01:08:22] And they got the hottest, the hottest

[01:08:26] like young actors to play like the older versions of it.

[01:08:32] Like these are the boys in black TV and movies.

[01:08:37] But I was disappointed because I think he's only three episodes.

[01:08:41] Right. It was a long one.

[01:08:43] Like the movie spin off, then it's a little bit longer.

[01:08:48] Oh, OK. Yeah, I forgot about that.

[01:08:50] But that is like the thing is, I

[01:08:53] thought of that movie when we were talking about transitions earlier and we

[01:08:57] were talking about how they should have like transitioned the younger

[01:09:00] transition to the older. That is like if you watch the new edition

[01:09:04] movie, that transition is iconic and it's so well done.

[01:09:08] But also it helps you connect with the younger cast and then the older cast.

[01:09:15] But also the thing about that movie is it's kind of old fashioned VH1.

[01:09:19] Let's make a movie about a band.

[01:09:22] It's very Temptations.

[01:09:24] It's very Jackson's American Dream.

[01:09:26] Like that was the style that they went after to replicate.

[01:09:30] And by doing so, they gave us a classic movie to fit in that pantheon.

[01:09:36] The remake of it.

[01:09:38] Oh, OK. Yeah.

[01:09:39] Well, you know what? I feel here's the thing.

[01:09:41] I feel like the kid actors were way more likable than the adult actors

[01:09:45] in that series. So I think that's the point because they're

[01:09:50] they're so traumatized by the time that they're adults that.

[01:09:56] I don't think even the old Stephen King, it many series, I know.

[01:10:01] I don't think I really like the adults as much as I like the kids.

[01:10:04] Yeah, I don't know.

[01:10:05] But I just don't think they have the chemistry that the younger cast had.

[01:10:08] You're right. They really didn't.

[01:10:10] But yeah, do you all think it's because we don't necessarily like again us,

[01:10:17] but the four of us kind of being the exception.

[01:10:19] People aren't really friends with people that they grew up with anymore.

[01:10:24] So maybe that's died out and therefore

[01:10:26] you don't get this storytelling of this group when we were children

[01:10:31] and in the same group when we're adults.

[01:10:33] Because I do I'm wondering if there's

[01:10:35] something about just the way that we have our friend groups now that.

[01:10:41] I'm wondering why we just don't get stories about like friend groups then

[01:10:45] and now, like we used to. You're right.

[01:10:47] It's capitalism.

[01:10:48] It's interesting.

[01:10:50] Like everyone needs to focus on themselves.

[01:10:52] We all live apartments by ourselves.

[01:10:54] That whole thing of like it's just you

[01:10:57] in your silo has just been pushed so hard that it's made this way in media

[01:11:01] and now we don't have that.

[01:11:03] And because we're so connected with social media, it's like, oh,

[01:11:07] I don't have to go to a high school reunion.

[01:11:10] Like I've seen everyone.

[01:11:12] I know what everyone's up to.

[01:11:14] Like there is about that, like how no one like there's no need to like

[01:11:18] call up someone to be like, you know, how so and so doing.

[01:11:20] Yeah, that was so regular conversation back in the day that I just feel

[01:11:24] like it's like, well, you saw their Facebook update.

[01:11:26] You saw their Instagram.

[01:11:27] Yeah.

[01:11:28] And then you do call, but it's like, hey, did you see who was getting

[01:11:32] divorced? Like, that's how you do it.

[01:11:35] You just have your side conversations,

[01:11:37] but the information is provided to you through those social media.

[01:11:42] Yeah, I think one of the best things

[01:11:45] about this movie was the fact that you're seeing

[01:11:49] men having a relationship as friends, black men.

[01:11:53] I think we get a lot of black female movies about friendship and community,

[01:11:58] but we do not get to see a lot of it with male characters and especially not

[01:12:04] in it from a childhood standpoint.

[01:12:06] So that's always really fun.

[01:12:08] And it wasn't a competition like they had bets, they had wagers,

[01:12:13] but it wasn't like they all like the same girl they were trying to go after.

[01:12:17] There wasn't that competition to it.

[01:12:20] It was just their friendship.

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[01:14:17] And I will start with you, Siege.

[01:14:20] OK, my current rankings, that correct?

[01:14:23] Yes. All right.

[01:14:24] Yeah, no, no, no. So this time I will say, as much as I said,

[01:14:29] I watched this a lot as a kid, I'm going like two day rental this point in time.

[01:14:35] I was like, I get it.

[01:14:36] It didn't age as well as I would have liked just because I do think there

[01:14:40] are other movies that came out around this time that do it so much better.

[01:14:45] I like the best man better.

[01:14:47] I think Love and Basketball and Brown Sugar and all those are way more iconic

[01:14:51] versions of this, but it's still worth watching.

[01:14:56] TC?

[01:14:57] You know, one thing I didn't say that I just wanted to mention was that the

[01:15:01] movie opens up with both Mike and Slim talking directly to the camera,

[01:15:08] breaking the fourth wall in such a way that was so cool.

[01:15:11] I was like, wow, that's a great narrative device,

[01:15:14] like treating the film camera as like the wedding handheld camera.

[01:15:17] And you're talking to us like I thought

[01:15:19] that would continue throughout.

[01:15:21] And I was really disappointed when they dropped that because I thought,

[01:15:23] wow, that would have been really cool.

[01:15:25] But outside of that, I really don't like like see,

[01:15:28] there's nothing about this that makes it super memorable for me.

[01:15:31] So for me, I'm going to do same day rental.

[01:15:35] Jackie,

[01:15:36] I as well, I'm going to go same day rental.

[01:15:39] If I just got the childhood story, I would have been happy.

[01:15:42] I didn't need to know that there was a wedding or anything.

[01:15:45] I just want to see the stories of them

[01:15:48] growing up and experiencing what it's like to live in Inglewood in the 80s.

[01:15:53] So.

[01:15:55] Yeah, same day.

[01:15:58] I'm going to go five day rental.

[01:15:59] I'll watch this again.

[01:16:01] OK, I, I, I'm definitely in between a five day and a two day.

[01:16:06] But I really, like you said, the childhood element for me, I really,

[01:16:11] I really like it.

[01:16:14] And the man buns.

[01:16:15] I do like the buns.

[01:16:18] I like them a lot and I just like the nostalgic feel of it.

[01:16:23] Yeah, I don't know. Five day for me.

[01:16:26] It's funny. We didn't really we kind of hit on it, but you get to see

[01:16:30] Taye Diggs in all his glory in a way that.

[01:16:34] Yeah, I wasn't really expecting to be able to see.

[01:16:39] I like it. I'm mad at it.

[01:16:41] That's how Stella got her groove back, y'all.

[01:16:44] And you see why.

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[01:17:10] And don't miss our rewind episode of 13 going on 30 next week.

[01:17:15] And y'all, thanks for hopping on.

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[01:17:30] And y'all are on.

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[01:17:32] If you guys have any movies that you think we would contribute well to,

[01:17:36] please think of us.

[01:17:37] You guys are so much fun to talk to.

[01:17:39] It just feels like we're at lunch, just jibber jabbering.

[01:17:41] I'm recording sometimes.

[01:17:43] So you guys are the best.

[01:17:45] Yeah, honestly, I have nothing to say.

[01:17:48] The exact same thing Tony said, which is that we enjoy doing this.

[01:17:51] We enjoy talking about movies with you guys and are excited to hear what else

[01:17:56] you guys have going on, because I'll be listening to the 13 going on 30.

[01:18:01] And as always, be kind and real.