Drop Dead Gorgeous

[00:00:00] Buckle up for sass, murder mysteries and questionable dance routines all wrapped up in a gloriously

[00:00:06] 90s package.

[00:00:08] No More Late Fees is back for season 4 and we're diving head first into the dark comedy

[00:00:13] cult classic Drop Dead Gorgeous.

[00:00:30] Welcome to the No More Late Fees podcast, I'm Danielle and I'm Jackie and we're just two

[00:00:35] best friends and ex blockbuster employees rewatching some of the best and worst movies

[00:00:39] from the late 90s and early 2000s.

[00:00:42] This week we are talking about the 1999 dark comedy Drop Dead Gorgeous with our guest, actor

[00:00:48] and singer Carrie Francis.

[00:00:51] Welcome Carrie.

[00:00:52] Hello, thank you so much for having me I'm so happy to be here.

[00:00:56] We're so happy to have you.

[00:00:59] So if you want to get to know Carrie a little better check out the bonus episode with

[00:01:02] her dropping leader this week.

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[00:02:02] An annual beauty pageant in small town Minnesota turns ridiculously competitive and ultimately

[00:02:08] chaotic in the spiting comedy.

[00:02:11] Amber Atkins, the daughter of hard drinking mama net and Becky Lehman who is motivated

[00:02:16] by her former beauty queen mother Gladys are among the top contenders in the event.

[00:02:22] As Amber, Becky and other local girls prepare for the big day bizarre incidents occur

[00:02:28] leading up to an ending with a bang.

[00:02:31] It stars Kirstie Ali, Ellen Barkin, Kirsten Dunst, Denise Richards, Brandy Murphy, Amy

[00:02:37] Adams and Allison Janney.

[00:02:39] It is directed by Michael Patrick Jan and written by Lona Williams.

[00:02:44] And you can watch it on DVD.

[00:02:47] You have to have that physical media for this one.

[00:02:49] But before we get started, let's get into our ratings rewind.

[00:02:54] You know the drill before we get into the movie, we will reveal the rating

[00:02:58] our Y2K selves would give then at the end we'll see if our current selves agree with our

[00:03:04] initial rating.

[00:03:05] Our scale consists of would buy it would buy it again.

[00:03:08] The best would play on repeat.

[00:03:11] Five day rental would watch again.

[00:03:14] Two day rental.

[00:03:15] Okay, but nothing to write home about.

[00:03:19] Same day rental trash much like a burnt up swan float.

[00:03:24] It's trash.

[00:03:25] I was hoping you were going to talk about this burnt up swan.

[00:03:29] All right, we're going to start with you, Carrie.

[00:03:33] What was your Y2K rating or your younger self version rating of this movie?

[00:03:40] My Y2K version would say five day rental.

[00:03:44] I think this would have been something I was obsessed with, especially because of how

[00:03:48] many girls were in it and thinking, okay, I'm going to do this.

[00:03:52] I'm going to be movies too.

[00:03:54] Anything that had like, you know, a lot of girl teenagers, I feel like I probably

[00:03:57] would have wanted to have it the whole week and rewatch it a lot.

[00:04:00] Yes.

[00:04:01] Jackie, I never watched this movie as a Y2K.

[00:04:05] What?

[00:04:08] Oh wow.

[00:04:09] I don't know why I thought we saw this one together.

[00:04:11] Okay.

[00:04:13] Yonker Daniel thought this was a five day rental because I did not buy it.

[00:04:17] I do remember that.

[00:04:19] But let's start with the budget.

[00:04:20] So this movie had a budget of $50 million and it only made $10.5 million.

[00:04:27] I say only because it didn't make its money back fully.

[00:04:30] Entertainment Weekly gave it a D, calling it graceless while Loraaj said,

[00:04:37] sometimes I wonder how anyone could have thought a screenplay was funny enough to film.

[00:04:44] Damn, Loraaj.

[00:04:46] Sometimes he's, you need to take me to the hospital for these third degree burns

[00:04:51] to be thrown out.

[00:04:54] It's a lot.

[00:04:55] Always with the honesty.

[00:04:57] He doesn't mince words.

[00:05:00] So this movie obviously had its 20 year anniversary and I think it was E News

[00:05:07] had an article and it said, but even before the harsh reviews and disappointing

[00:05:12] numbers, this movie wasn't exactly smooth sailing on the set with clashes going down

[00:05:17] between the young writer and director.

[00:05:19] And one of the stars exhibiting some diva tendencies now before I don't know if you

[00:05:24] guys saw all the notes, but who do you think was the diva?

[00:05:31] And it was one of them.

[00:05:32] Oh my gosh.

[00:05:33] It was it was just one of the actors.

[00:05:34] Big stars.

[00:05:35] Big stars.

[00:05:36] I just hope it's not Allison Janney.

[00:05:38] That's my one hope.

[00:05:42] It wasn't.

[00:05:43] It wasn't.

[00:05:44] I feel like it might have been Denise.

[00:05:48] I thought so at first.

[00:05:50] I don't know why I overlooked who it actually was, but it was galley.

[00:05:54] Oh, I was going to guess her.

[00:05:56] Yeah, it was she has she has to get permission from Scientology for like

[00:06:00] everything.

[00:06:01] Everything. Yeah.

[00:06:02] And we'll get into that.

[00:06:03] But yeah, it was a lot of clashing happening on this set.

[00:06:08] But before we dive into the casting, let's hear

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[00:06:48] So we know we got Ellen Birkin in this movie and Alison Janney,

[00:06:51] but we could have had potentially Goldie Hawn and Sigourney Weaver.

[00:06:57] That would have been epic, I think.

[00:07:00] But I still love who we got instead.

[00:07:02] Yeah.

[00:07:04] And Knives Out.

[00:07:06] Sigourney Weaver was actually supposed to play Jamie Lee's role.

[00:07:09] Which is very interesting.

[00:07:11] What have been a completely different thing in just like this movie?

[00:07:13] It would have been a completely different.

[00:07:15] I can't imagine Goldie Hawn and Sigourney Weaver in those roles.

[00:07:19] It would have been hilarious.

[00:07:21] I don't know.

[00:07:22] But also Sigourney Weaver, I now do because of that movie, You Again,

[00:07:30] it's funny that because her and Jamie Lee played, you know,

[00:07:34] competitive ex friends or whatever.

[00:07:37] So I do think of them together because of that movie.

[00:07:41] Great movie.

[00:07:42] Who else do we have?

[00:07:43] We have Sarah Michelle Geller.

[00:07:45] She auditioned for the role of Becky Neiman.

[00:07:49] I think she would have been great in it.

[00:07:51] Yeah, I really think she she would have been really good.

[00:07:53] But I think Denise Richards just did really.

[00:07:58] She was just so stone cold about it.

[00:08:01] Like as if nothing was really bothering her, but she was still

[00:08:07] scary as hell.

[00:08:08] But in a weird way, I think I think she she killed the role.

[00:08:13] Who else did we get Jackie?

[00:08:14] And we have Melissa Joan Hart auditioned for the role of Amber

[00:08:18] Atkins played by Kirsten Dunst.

[00:08:20] It's so crazy how many movies we've been doing that we saw.

[00:08:24] We've seen that Melissa Joan Hart was thought of to be in them.

[00:08:28] And the movies are just like so not what her persona was at that time.

[00:08:35] You know?

[00:08:36] Yeah, that's that's an interesting one.

[00:08:38] I can see her visually doing it, but it would have been

[00:08:42] a completely different take on the role of Amber versus

[00:08:46] Kirsten being so natural and easy with everything.

[00:08:50] You're like Melissa's acting is more comedic and upfront

[00:08:54] and kind of more in your face.

[00:08:55] And that serves her so well in so many roles.

[00:08:58] But that's why I guess I never realized they would cross over for some reason.

[00:09:02] I've divided them up into different timelines.

[00:09:05] But it makes sense now, obviously, Melissa and Kirsten probably went in

[00:09:08] for tons of the same things.

[00:09:10] Yeah, yeah.

[00:09:11] I think Melissa might be a little bit older.

[00:09:15] But I think that's also really cool about Kirsten Dunst

[00:09:19] is that she was really playing a teenager and a lot of the sets

[00:09:22] that she was on everybody else was older because like Denise was

[00:09:27] twenty nine years old.

[00:09:28] No way.

[00:09:29] Yes.

[00:09:31] In this movie, she was twenty nine.

[00:09:33] Yes.

[00:09:34] Oh my gosh.

[00:09:37] That's wild.

[00:09:38] It is.

[00:09:39] But she looks, I believe, yeah, that she was that young

[00:09:44] or, you know, at least in her early 20s.

[00:09:48] Never. If you had asked me how old did I think she was in this movie?

[00:09:51] I would have said like maybe 19.

[00:09:54] Yeah.

[00:09:54] Never.

[00:09:55] When I said twenty nine.

[00:09:58] That's awesome.

[00:09:58] That's a great fact.

[00:10:00] And it's funny that you said that like Kirsten had, you know,

[00:10:04] such a sweet demeanor, like just the way she would have played it.

[00:10:07] The director sold him on her on her was she was on celebrity team Jeopardy.

[00:10:14] And he just felt like, wow, she's so sweet.

[00:10:17] She's normal.

[00:10:18] She looks like the kind of girl that could go grab a microphone

[00:10:22] out of a dead reporter's hand and joyfully keep reporting

[00:10:25] but not feel like she there was an evil intent behind it.

[00:10:29] You know, or premeditation.

[00:10:32] So I thought that was really interesting because it's true.

[00:10:36] Like when she does, well, when we get to that part, I'm going to be.

[00:10:39] I have some thoughts.

[00:10:41] Yeah, but I could see where he was coming from with that one.

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[00:11:18] Yeah, definitely.

[00:11:19] How else was just like super sad to see Brittany Murphy in this?

[00:11:23] I know.

[00:11:25] And the man of character that she plays is just it's so up her alley.

[00:11:32] And it felt natural.

[00:11:34] It didn't feel like force.

[00:11:36] Like that could easily go into like overacting.

[00:11:40] And like, it just was like, OK, this girl was just like so on it.

[00:11:45] And in unease the entire movie that like she doesn't know

[00:11:50] she's laughing to keep from crying almost.

[00:11:52] It felt like the entire time.

[00:11:55] Yes.

[00:11:56] Yeah, when she was doing the bit where she was showing pictures of her brother

[00:12:00] that I was like, this is the most natural.

[00:12:03] It felt like you're just actually watching a real person

[00:12:06] showing pictures of her brother.

[00:12:08] She's such a natural way about her.

[00:12:11] What I love about Brittany Murphy is that.

[00:12:15] There's I think there's a lot of movies or actors where you

[00:12:20] on paper, you look at the movie and you say, oh, this is going to be

[00:12:25] this this actor's shining role.

[00:12:28] This is going to be they're going to like be the star.

[00:12:32] And then out of like a dark horse here comes somebody else.

[00:12:36] Like Brittany Murphy is she just looked like light

[00:12:40] was shining right outside of her body.

[00:12:42] Like when you think about Clueless, Alicia Silverstone

[00:12:46] and Stacey Dash, they they they had it.

[00:12:50] Right. But you're looking at Brittany Murphy and she is eating up

[00:12:55] when she's on to like she is not fading into the black even

[00:12:58] when she's playing like a very just quirky quirky character.

[00:13:03] She just she shines every time.

[00:13:05] I felt the same way when Angelina Jolie was in Girl Interrupted.

[00:13:09] Like everyone thought this is one of those like vehicle.

[00:13:13] I don't think anybody saw Angelina kind of coming.

[00:13:16] And Brittany Murphy in that movie, too, was just like eating up.

[00:13:20] It it becomes like this is a feast for the audience because

[00:13:25] the acting talent.

[00:13:27] But that's just how I feel about anything that anything that she's in,

[00:13:31] no matter what star is in it.

[00:13:33] She just something about her that I don't really see a whole lot

[00:13:39] now. But I like don't know this woman, but I miss her.

[00:13:43] You know, like it just saddens me.

[00:13:45] I I just imagine where her career would have been if she was still here.

[00:13:50] It's just so heartbreaking.

[00:13:52] I can't. I miss you.

[00:13:54] I miss you.

[00:13:57] And I was like at the talent portion, I was like, they can't let Brittany sing

[00:14:01] because there's no way she doesn't win if she gets to that part.

[00:14:06] And so I was like, oh, she doesn't do her talent.

[00:14:10] OK, that makes sense.

[00:14:11] Because there's no way she doesn't win.

[00:14:13] Like she can run circles around everyone on the stage when it comes to singing.

[00:14:18] So yeah, that's true.

[00:14:20] I just think a happy feet.

[00:14:22] Yeah.

[00:14:25] Oh, my gosh.

[00:14:26] Well, the only thing that I knew about this movie going into it

[00:14:29] was not much really.

[00:14:30] I don't remember even seeing it when I was young, but that it was

[00:14:34] wasn't any Adams first movie.

[00:14:36] Yes, it is.

[00:14:38] Yes. And she crushes it.

[00:14:40] Oh, my gosh.

[00:14:41] Like you would have never guessed that this was her first movie

[00:14:44] based on this performance.

[00:14:46] And no, she was fantastic.

[00:14:48] All right, I think we can jump into the movie.

[00:14:50] So Drop Dead Gorgeous opens up with some title cards that say 1995,

[00:14:56] mark the 50th anniversary of the nation's oldest beauty pageant,

[00:15:01] the Sarah Rose Cosmetics American Teen Princess pageant.

[00:15:05] And so sorry.

[00:15:08] It gave Mary Kay vibes.

[00:15:09] Is that 100 percent?

[00:15:12] That's what I'm saying.

[00:15:13] Great comparison.

[00:15:15] That's all I can think.

[00:15:18] And then because it is the 50th anniversary, there's this documentary

[00:15:23] crew that is following contestants at a town level through the process

[00:15:29] of making the.

[00:15:32] State. Yeah, the yeah, the state of Minnesota represent the state

[00:15:37] of Minnesota.

[00:15:38] Why did they choose this teeny tiny town?

[00:15:42] Is my question that is a good question.

[00:15:45] Well, I don't know.

[00:15:47] This pageant seems like it's a huge deal.

[00:15:50] Like it's across the state.

[00:15:52] Yeah, like across the nation.

[00:15:54] Like why choose the tiniest town in Minnesota to start this

[00:15:58] documentary?

[00:16:01] Yeah, it was it felt like an odd choice to me.

[00:16:04] Well, I wonder if they were maybe maybe they had different teams

[00:16:10] in different locations following the whole thing.

[00:16:13] And they were going to put it together.

[00:16:15] That's a good idea.

[00:16:16] I just like to make up fake backstories.

[00:16:19] She does.

[00:16:21] And then we get Adam West is the host of this pageant.

[00:16:25] It always reminds me of William Shatner and Miss Congeniality.

[00:16:29] Like which one came out first?

[00:16:31] This one.

[00:16:33] Interesting.

[00:16:35] Because I feel a lot of similarities in some not a lot, but enough.

[00:16:40] That's like, OK.

[00:16:43] So we see that Kiersey Alley is please Gladys the local chair.

[00:16:48] They're they head to the Mall of America to buy the outfits for

[00:16:53] the performance and she's like the theme is.

[00:16:57] They wrote it down.

[00:16:58] Proud to be an American.

[00:17:00] Every single theme that she miraculously comes up with because

[00:17:03] she's so creative is US themed every single year.

[00:17:09] My favorite was a mare.

[00:17:11] I can or something.

[00:17:13] Yeah.

[00:17:14] Yes.

[00:17:19] I think it's interesting that

[00:17:23] they talk about the Mall of Americas, but they're actually at a different mall.

[00:17:28] They are at the mall that Mall rats was filmed at.

[00:17:32] It felt familiar.

[00:17:38] Which I absolutely love that for us because we love more at here.

[00:17:43] I do.

[00:17:44] I will admit, I have never seen more at really

[00:17:50] having seen a list of things.

[00:17:52] Stay tuned.

[00:17:53] Oh, the mall was called Eden Prairie Center that they were actually filming at.

[00:18:03] And Gladys steals a handicap spot.

[00:18:09] From a cripple quote unquote, she says the so she she says cripple.

[00:18:16] And then the our word is thrown around so much.

[00:18:19] And I was just like cringing.

[00:18:21] I used to be a special education teacher.

[00:18:25] So like even more so, just like, oh my God, please stop using that word.

[00:18:30] It was pretty bad.

[00:18:32] But I feel like that is kind of middle America and some location,

[00:18:37] like some regions, like they probably still talk like that.

[00:18:40] And it's like, I don't know.

[00:18:43] I want to give them more credit with the internet that maybe

[00:18:46] they don't do that as much now.

[00:18:48] I don't know.

[00:18:48] I'm hoping.

[00:18:49] Very generous.

[00:18:51] You know, in a way, you almost just answered the question you just had earlier.

[00:18:55] Like why would they pick this tiny town?

[00:18:57] Right? Probably because then they could get away with doing all

[00:19:00] sorts of crazy things in the script and we would just say what we're saying.

[00:19:03] Well, it's a tiny town in the middle of nowhere and these people,

[00:19:06] that's just how they are.

[00:19:07] So maybe that was a really intentional move on their part

[00:19:11] so they could have characters like this.

[00:19:14] Oh, well, also the writer herself, she wrote this from her own experience.

[00:19:21] And because she was a contestant in a local beauty pageant

[00:19:26] and local beauty pageant and she appears in the film as one of the third

[00:19:31] non-speaking judges.

[00:19:32] So that that's a cool little shout out for her.

[00:19:35] But yeah, I think she's coming from her own perspective.

[00:19:39] And I want to say where they shot it.

[00:19:43] Actually, I was going to say it was the director's hometown,

[00:19:48] but I don't think that's right.

[00:19:49] So we cut that.

[00:19:50] Sorry.

[00:19:53] Where did they film it?

[00:19:54] They filmed it in throughout Carver County area, mainly in

[00:20:00] Waconia, Minnesota, although the names of the real Minnesota communities

[00:20:06] that were shown on the sashes of contestants later in the movie.

[00:20:10] Did I say that right? Oh, yeah.

[00:20:15] Interesting. That's really interesting.

[00:20:16] I didn't know that they actually filmed it in Minnesota with their Minnesota

[00:20:20] accents that they had.

[00:20:22] It's super cute because there's like a website in a Minnesota website

[00:20:27] where they they like talk about the film and where it was, you know,

[00:20:32] different places that it was shot in.

[00:20:34] So I thought that was they're very proud of it.

[00:20:37] Oh, well, at least they're embracing it.

[00:20:40] Yeah.

[00:20:41] There's over the top Minnesota accents that happen in this movie.

[00:20:47] It reminded me of have you guys seen New in Town?

[00:20:50] Yes, I will.

[00:20:52] That would be definitely a good.

[00:20:53] Every time the accents, yes, came out in this movie, I was like, oh,

[00:20:56] I should watch New in Town.

[00:20:57] Like that was like this cut out of the MMI bringing because those are

[00:21:00] the two movies that stand out with this specific I guess Fargo probably.

[00:21:05] Yes.

[00:21:05] That's what inspired Kirstie Alley's accent was Frances McDormand's

[00:21:11] Fargo. Oh, in Fargo? Yeah.

[00:21:13] Was one of one of the characters in New in Town named Gladys because.

[00:21:21] OK, that's adding up.

[00:21:23] Maybe Gladys is a very popular name in Minnesota.

[00:21:26] Maybe.

[00:21:26] So we start to meet some of the girls that are competing.

[00:21:30] We meet Leslie played by Amy Adams.

[00:21:33] She's obsessed with her boyfriend and she's a cheerleader

[00:21:36] or the main things we need to know about her.

[00:21:39] When you meet her, do you like when I was watching this

[00:21:43] movie, I kept getting sugar and spice vibes the whole time,

[00:21:46] especially her character in her cheerleading outfit and stuff like that.

[00:21:52] And I could not figure out why I was getting that.

[00:21:56] And then I realized I found out later doing the notes that the screenwriter

[00:22:00] of this one wrote sugar and spice.

[00:22:03] That makes sense. OK.

[00:22:05] That makes total sense because these feel like sister movies, essentially.

[00:22:09] Like a lot of the things happen similar.

[00:22:11] So sorry, but it was scratching at my brain.

[00:22:15] Oh, it continues.

[00:22:18] Sorry.

[00:22:19] And we meet Amber play by Kirsten Dunn's.

[00:22:24] And it seems like she just has to earn money in different ways

[00:22:27] to help support her and her alcoholic mom in their double wide.

[00:22:32] So the first time we see her, she is practicing her tap routine

[00:22:37] while putting doing the makeup and hair of dead people at the funeral.

[00:22:41] Seems like a peaceful job.

[00:22:44] This is true.

[00:22:45] Do they I don't know if I could do it?

[00:22:47] Yeah, that's that's a job that would be tricky,

[00:22:50] especially because it's such a small community.

[00:22:54] You must know everyone you're doing makeup for.

[00:22:57] Oh.

[00:22:59] Which we do get into later.

[00:23:05] We do. That's a heartbreaking thing to do.

[00:23:07] Yes. And then we meet Rebecca occasionally.

[00:23:11] She's also called Becky, played by Denise Richards.

[00:23:14] Her mom is Gladys.

[00:23:16] And so she thinks she's got this pageant on lock.

[00:23:19] Like she has been trained from an early age to do the pageant answers

[00:23:24] and to sit there and smile.

[00:23:26] But she is also cutthroat and ruthless.

[00:23:30] And she's like the president of the Lutheran sisterhood gun club.

[00:23:35] So she's got an edge.

[00:23:38] And I love that she says Jesus loves winners is like

[00:23:46] her outlook on life.

[00:23:52] And does he now?

[00:23:53] That's very interesting.

[00:23:54] OK.

[00:23:56] And then Lisa, played by Brittany Murphy,

[00:23:58] she says she's going to sing and dance.

[00:24:00] That's why I started thinking like there's no one that's going to beat her

[00:24:04] because it's Brittany Murphy singing.

[00:24:06] And her brother seems like he's a drag queen and has moved to New York.

[00:24:13] We know he's moved to New York.

[00:24:15] He's dressed up as Blaise Minnelli.

[00:24:17] And who is the other one?

[00:24:20] Oh, Barbara.

[00:24:21] Barbara Streisand.

[00:24:23] Because that delivery stayed with me when she said, Barbara,

[00:24:27] it was the most perfect delivery on one word.

[00:24:31] And then we meet Tess, who loves dogs and Tess.

[00:24:37] The one she says.

[00:24:42] What happens?

[00:24:43] What happened to her?

[00:24:44] So like at first you see her room

[00:24:47] and there's like all these German shepherd pictures.

[00:24:50] Yeah.

[00:24:51] But then you hear a really loud bark, which I know they a deep bark,

[00:24:55] which I know they do it on purpose to kind of trick you.

[00:24:57] And there's a wiener dog.

[00:24:59] Yeah. Well, I think what happened was her German shepherd attacked her

[00:25:05] because she said it went to live on a farm with some nice people.

[00:25:08] Is she got the skin from her butt?

[00:25:10] Yes.

[00:25:11] To fill her stomach.

[00:25:12] They remain my belly with skin from my butt is the lie.

[00:25:18] Tess.

[00:25:19] And I don't want to laugh

[00:25:20] because I know that's somebody's experience,

[00:25:23] but it was just so random.

[00:25:26] And then, Molly, the back story I hate the most

[00:25:31] adopted by Japanese immigrants to assimilate into the United States.

[00:25:37] It made me feel icky.

[00:25:40] Wild. I like.

[00:25:43] You know what it is?

[00:25:45] So I think the 90s and 2000s just show kind of like a really big

[00:25:52] it doesn't pass a litmus test, but it shows you how essentially sometimes

[00:25:59] you know, white people did not think of other people's experiences

[00:26:06] because their their experiences were centered.

[00:26:09] So to look at this Japanese family,

[00:26:13] they never thought like what that perspective might be.

[00:26:16] They just kind of put their own thoughts on like what that what that is like.

[00:26:22] And then try the top.

[00:26:24] Yeah, America. Right.

[00:26:26] And then try to make it funny.

[00:26:28] There would have been an opportunity to make that actually funny

[00:26:33] from probably a first generation Japanese person who grew up with

[00:26:38] Japanese parents because when you are a child of immigrants,

[00:26:43] your parents do like a lot of them are very pro USA.

[00:26:47] My parents are Jamaican, but they are very pro USA

[00:26:50] because of the opportunities they feel about America.

[00:26:55] I think it would have.

[00:26:57] I think it could have worked if she had these like immigrant parents

[00:27:01] and it was because there was an older sister played by Seiko Matsuda,

[00:27:07] who is a Japanese superstar and she's reduced to like this tiny role.

[00:27:13] But if they had just made her like really passionate about pageants

[00:27:19] and her parents didn't understand,

[00:27:21] yeah, I think that could have leaned into a lot of the comedy

[00:27:26] without being like this really uncomfortable.

[00:27:30] We adopted a white girl.

[00:27:31] I see where they were trying to go.

[00:27:33] I feel like your version, I think, could have worked a lot better.

[00:27:37] I think if they just had somebody who had a Japanese experience

[00:27:42] would have made it funny.

[00:27:43] And that's all like.

[00:27:45] It's like the joke didn't hit

[00:27:48] because they didn't have the experience to pull from.

[00:27:51] And then it just became you're making fun of somebody and miss the mark.

[00:27:57] So it's like as a screenwriter that she kind of said,

[00:28:04] what are the extreme family dynamics?

[00:28:08] I could like almost like when we see a show today and they're like,

[00:28:11] how can I make this, you know, quote unquote woke

[00:28:15] and it just completely misses every mark possible.

[00:28:18] It felt like that.

[00:28:19] It felt like they were like, OK, rich, privileged family,

[00:28:23] heavy drinking family, gay character, you know, off to be a dry queen.

[00:28:27] And now we've got an adopted family.

[00:28:29] But wait, we'll switch it.

[00:28:31] It won't be the white couple adopted.

[00:28:33] That's like the line of thought.

[00:28:35] I an effort to sell their movie and make it feel like different

[00:28:39] and interesting and off the wall.

[00:28:42] And those things are never ever going to thrive in any film or TV show

[00:28:46] because, one, you're putting other people down.

[00:28:49] You're mocking other humans who are watching it who have experiences

[00:28:53] you do not have and you shouldn't be writing about.

[00:28:57] But also it just makes audiences feel like their intelligence

[00:29:02] isn't really valued.

[00:29:03] It just feels like a lot of cheap when we look at all of these families to me.

[00:29:07] It looks like someone who felt like they had to take an idea

[00:29:11] and then crank the dial on every single one.

[00:29:15] And if they had just done it a tiny bit, like with your ideas, you both gave

[00:29:19] great, just a little, a little dial or a little something.

[00:29:24] Even it would have been relevant if it was, let's say someone adopted

[00:29:28] from an Asian community that would have at least been relevant for the time.

[00:29:32] Right? When we have actual political things going on,

[00:29:34] the girls in different countries needed to be adopted.

[00:29:37] OK, then that would have made sense.

[00:29:39] Right. So there could have been so many ways to do these family characters.

[00:29:43] And it just misses the mark over and over.

[00:29:46] Yeah, I think a lot of people have a hardship with writing.

[00:29:51] Everybody wants to feel like they can write anything.

[00:29:53] That's what writing is, like you should be able to write anything.

[00:29:56] The problem is that a lot of people miss that opportunity

[00:30:01] of educating themselves when you have blind spots because you're ignorant,

[00:30:07] essentially, because you're not realizing the world around you.

[00:30:11] I think that's when people miss the mark.

[00:30:13] That's when you can't write for everybody because

[00:30:17] you need to at least have the understanding that

[00:30:22] this is not just like an imagination thing.

[00:30:25] This is happening in real life to somebody and like I need to ask for help.

[00:30:31] Yeah, like just ask the questions, go in, like interview people,

[00:30:35] have people read your scripts that are from those communities

[00:30:39] and receive their feedback and adjust where needed.

[00:30:43] Like instead of just we're going to throw all of this stuff

[00:30:47] and not really take the time to research

[00:30:50] and make sure that we're not insulting anyone.

[00:30:53] Also, I think I wonder how much of the script was touched by producers

[00:30:59] because the writer, like I said earlier,

[00:31:02] there was a lot of tension between her and the director,

[00:31:05] but there was a lot of tension between her and the producers as well,

[00:31:09] giving feedback on things, making her change things.

[00:31:12] So I just wonder like what other things might have been touched or added.

[00:31:18] So yeah, that's why she left Sugar and like her name's

[00:31:23] not even on Sugar and Spice because so many people changed the script

[00:31:27] and changed her vision. So yeah.

[00:31:30] Yeah, yeah.

[00:31:31] And we also have to factor in really being a female screenwriter at that time

[00:31:36] was even harder, right?

[00:31:38] That is now to break through different doors.

[00:31:40] And I can imagine wanting something so badly

[00:31:44] that you do make these choices that maybe you're not the best choices long term,

[00:31:49] but the best choices that got her these meetings

[00:31:51] were probably these wild, ridiculous over the top things that we are now dissecting.

[00:31:57] So I think it's fair to have a little bit of of grace on that side too,

[00:32:00] that maybe all of these issues with the producers and the director,

[00:32:04] wasn't there something with the director who later was like,

[00:32:07] I could have maybe been nicer?

[00:32:10] Yeah, he said that she didn't have the best experience on set,

[00:32:12] often clashing with the first time director, Michael Patrick Jan.

[00:32:16] She said, I just found Jan to be a bit of an asshole.

[00:32:21] I remember going out in the rain, crying, going to my rental car,

[00:32:24] like having a full body cry because I felt like, oh, my God,

[00:32:28] this could get away and not turn out the way I see it.

[00:32:31] There were a couple of things like that,

[00:32:34] and then I pulled myself together.

[00:32:36] I really didn't favor him.

[00:32:38] Jan, who would never direct another feature film, admitted,

[00:32:43] I think I probably could have been nicer as a 26 year old.

[00:32:48] I was probably a little more like, no, we're fucking doing it this way.

[00:32:53] What are you talking about?

[00:32:55] I was maybe a tiny bit insensitive at that time in my life.

[00:33:00] Oh, 26.

[00:33:02] Well, your frontal cortex is not fully developed.

[00:33:08] Sir, what are you doing directing a movie also directing a movie

[00:33:12] about women's experiences?

[00:33:14] Like it just doesn't make I wonder how he got this job.

[00:33:19] And is he still directing?

[00:33:21] Is she writing?

[00:33:23] Yeah, well, I don't know if she's still writing.

[00:33:25] I mean, I don't know what else I can look that up.

[00:33:29] But yes, he definitely has been directing more things, but mainly like TV.

[00:33:38] And where did we get this job, Michael Patrick?

[00:33:42] Is it perhaps a family friend or like a parental?

[00:33:48] Is was he an apple baby before they were?

[00:33:51] Has to be like 26.

[00:33:53] Yeah, something.

[00:33:55] I mean, maybe not.

[00:33:56] Maybe maybe it was just like went to a.

[00:34:00] Yeah, typically like in the 90s, it was typical to have some really

[00:34:06] like young directors, but those were like the indie movies where they wrote

[00:34:10] and directed the whole thing and like funded the whole piece.

[00:34:14] Not like, oh, this girl.

[00:34:17] Wrote this thing that I'm now going to direct.

[00:34:20] And I I want to be like, OK, good growth.

[00:34:25] But he's like, I could have maybe been nicer.

[00:34:28] Like it's not like no, you should take accountability for your actions.

[00:34:33] If like you're making the writer cry and like yelling at her.

[00:34:38] Be like, no, I was a jerk and she didn't deserve that.

[00:34:42] And it doesn't matter what age I was.

[00:34:44] I could have just been a nice person.

[00:34:47] Well, you know, grown.

[00:34:49] Yeah, it looks like update.

[00:34:53] He did just direct a movie called Oregon or Oh, sorry, not Oregon.

[00:35:00] Oregon Trail.

[00:35:02] Oh, like the horror movies.

[00:35:04] Yeah, but he did.

[00:35:06] The White House directed Reno 911, Reno 911 Miami.

[00:35:13] Let's go to prison.

[00:35:15] And some other productions.

[00:35:20] Mm hmm. Yeah.

[00:35:22] OK, well, you know what?

[00:35:25] We don't know him now and we don't know her now.

[00:35:28] And we have to just imagine they were doing the best they could

[00:35:32] with a really unique that was supposed to be chaotic and all over the place

[00:35:37] that probably created a chaotic environment.

[00:35:39] And if a 26 year old was at the helm, everything trickles down.

[00:35:44] So if he didn't have the ability to really set the tone for that set,

[00:35:48] it's also odd that the writer was there.

[00:35:50] Unless you're the writer, director, a lot of the time the writer,

[00:35:54] once that script is locked, is not necessarily on set or involved

[00:35:59] with producers or involved moving forward.

[00:36:01] So maybe it sounds like maybe she wanted to direct it.

[00:36:04] Maybe she wanted to produce it and we don't know, you know,

[00:36:07] we'll never really unless we deep dive on her, we'll never really know

[00:36:11] what it was. And that could be problematic if you wanted to

[00:36:14] secretly direct it and this young man is telling you what's what

[00:36:17] about the story you created. I would also be crying.

[00:36:20] Yeah, that's true.

[00:36:22] Random fact for myself, he is married to one of my soap

[00:36:26] stars from General Hospital, Lisa Lowe.

[00:36:29] I don't want to say her last name wrong, but Lowe Ciero.

[00:36:32] I love she.

[00:36:34] Lowe Ciero. Yeah, maybe that's she's Italian.

[00:36:38] So that's probably right.

[00:36:40] Didn't see that one coming.

[00:36:42] I love her.

[00:36:44] Him not so much right now.

[00:36:46] We also meet Molly.

[00:36:48] Oh, no, we already met Molly.

[00:36:50] We meet Michelle, who's very into theater and being a dramatic actress.

[00:36:57] And she was choosing between Soylent Green and another monologue.

[00:37:04] Oh, Othello. Thank you.

[00:37:07] So she she loves the drama.

[00:37:10] Janelle, my girl doing the sun language.

[00:37:13] But so at first when she's talking, she is sun.

[00:37:17] Like I could understand what she was saying.

[00:37:20] But then when it gets to that dance, like there were it was very loose on

[00:37:24] sign and very heavy on dancing and just big arms.

[00:37:32] Oh, no. Yeah.

[00:37:36] See for effort.

[00:37:38] Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't great.

[00:37:40] I mean, it was no male colleague, Maka,

[00:37:44] circa 1999

[00:37:48] with the signing eagle.

[00:37:49] I really can't wait till we do them pull in dynamite

[00:37:52] because there's another signing.

[00:37:56] Happy situation. Yeah.

[00:37:58] That was me.

[00:38:01] And then we get Tammy, who seems like she's just down on the farm.

[00:38:06] She's good at everything.

[00:38:07] She has her Letterman jacket and all her patches.

[00:38:10] And she just likes to drive the track.

[00:38:14] Huller. Huller.

[00:38:16] I think that's what they called it.

[00:38:18] And soon after we meet Tammy, she blew herself up on the huller.

[00:38:22] And so.

[00:38:24] Or did she? Yeah.

[00:38:26] Dun dun dun dun.

[00:38:28] When when she came on the screen, I was like, I don't

[00:38:33] like I don't remember a lot about this movie.

[00:38:34] But I said, I don't remember this girl.

[00:38:36] I don't like I don't have any resonance.

[00:38:38] And then immediately she was killed and I thought, well, that's why.

[00:38:43] It was like a real time.

[00:38:45] I made myself laugh out loud.

[00:38:47] It was a real time moment for me.

[00:38:49] She did it. That's why.

[00:38:50] Bye, Tammy.

[00:38:52] Because Tammy had to die.

[00:38:58] We then hop on over to the

[00:39:01] Anorexia and Baleenia wing of the hospital to meet last year's winner, Mary.

[00:39:08] Played by Amanda Detmer.

[00:39:09] And this is her first feature film debut or film debut.

[00:39:15] I forgot she was in this one as well.

[00:39:17] I did too.

[00:39:18] And I think she did a really good job of not going overboard with the role

[00:39:23] because it was that role, I think, was very tricky.

[00:39:29] But I like, I just felt like it was she did well in the role that was given to her.

[00:39:35] Did I wish this role had been written?

[00:39:38] No.

[00:39:42] I think, yeah, yeah, everything.

[00:39:45] I know everything had to be larger than life situation.

[00:39:49] And it's a theme that fits into pageant life because it is very real,

[00:39:55] especially because these girls are doing this particular pageant,

[00:39:59] but a lot of the girls who do pageants do multiple pageants.

[00:40:03] And this is their identity situation going on.

[00:40:06] So.

[00:40:08] So we see Amber and she's legit at the hospital,

[00:40:14] helping Mary brush her hair and do all of this stuff.

[00:40:17] Amber has no ounce of pretension or ulterior motives for anything.

[00:40:22] She is just a kind soul that does things because it's the right thing to do.

[00:40:28] Whereas Becky walks in and it's all for show.

[00:40:32] It's all for the cameras.

[00:40:35] Mary's like, I don't know who you are.

[00:40:37] And and Becky plays it off as like, oh, like she forgets things

[00:40:43] and like makes her like seem crazy.

[00:40:47] And she brings her chocolate and the girl is anorexic.

[00:40:51] Yeah.

[00:40:52] So yeah, she Becky is.

[00:40:57] She's she's trying to please Jesus.

[00:40:59] She's got one in the worst ways ever.

[00:41:03] Jesus don't like ugly though.

[00:41:06] She said Jesus likes a winner.

[00:41:07] She didn't say how Jesus likes her to get there.

[00:41:10] I don't know.

[00:41:12] The next scene is Amber tip tap in her way home to the trailer park.

[00:41:19] Let me just say this routine.

[00:41:22] On the streets, I've never seen anything like it.

[00:41:26] But I'm not mad at it.

[00:41:28] I just was laughing my ass off when she was doing it because Kirsten

[00:41:32] Dunst does not know how to tap dance.

[00:41:35] I know someone taught her a few little steps.

[00:41:39] Very basic like what she was doing the slap, slap, slap, slap.

[00:41:44] So like that is like what you very first learn.

[00:41:48] And that's all she had.

[00:41:49] She won trig pony with that.

[00:41:52] That's why they were doing a lot of arm moves to distract you.

[00:41:56] I only know the step ball change.

[00:41:59] That was as far as I got into my tapping career.

[00:42:02] We knew I was going places when I could do the buffalo.

[00:42:05] I told look out.

[00:42:08] Hey, so this is when we meet her mom.

[00:42:13] She has a drinking problem and she's just concerned.

[00:42:16] She's not concerned that there is a whole film crew in Amber's

[00:42:22] bedroom with the door closed.

[00:42:24] She's more concerned about if Amber got her smokes.

[00:42:27] This is the dynamic we see between them.

[00:42:30] She does care if Amber is pregnant.

[00:42:33] She does.

[00:42:34] And like it is a very loving relationship.

[00:42:37] It's just priorities, maybe not where they should be.

[00:42:43] She's also a hairdresser, right?

[00:42:45] Yes.

[00:42:46] And her best friends played by Alison, Janie.

[00:42:50] I forget her.

[00:42:51] Loretta, thank you.

[00:42:53] Thank you. Loretta played by Alison, Janie is kind of like a

[00:42:57] surrogate mother to like a godmother.

[00:42:59] Yeah.

[00:43:00] Like she's always been around.

[00:43:02] She gives her advice.

[00:43:03] She takes care of her when mom gets injured.

[00:43:06] All the things.

[00:43:07] And we do see that Amber has a slight adoration for Diane

[00:43:12] Sawyer, who also used to do pageants.

[00:43:15] I feel like there's another movie where the character is like

[00:43:18] obsessed with Diane Sawyer and I cannot figure out which one it is.

[00:43:22] I was wondering if it was Morning Glory or not.

[00:43:27] But it might just be this movie.

[00:43:34] It might.

[00:43:35] I'll let you know if I find out who it is.

[00:43:40] And then we meet this creepy guy.

[00:43:43] I don't even know his name.

[00:43:45] I just wrote down creepy guy who's always lurking when they're doing

[00:43:48] the dance routines, he's lurking.

[00:43:51] He has a video camera with his VW bus like and then he ends up being a judge.

[00:43:56] I'm like, this guy needs to be like 100 yards away from all underage minors.

[00:44:02] He's he's 100 percent a peddle.

[00:44:05] I don't know.

[00:44:06] I don't care what you said.

[00:44:07] That man had a camera ready.

[00:44:09] He kept calling them the young girls and I'm like, no, I don't.

[00:44:15] I don't.

[00:44:17] I feel really bad for the actor because he says to this day,

[00:44:22] he still gets people in real life that will say that he is a pervert.

[00:44:30] Oh, I hate that because of this role.

[00:44:33] And he's like, it's not me or he'll be like in a movie.

[00:44:38] I'm a pervert.

[00:44:40] So I mean, well cast really.

[00:44:43] He did do a good job.

[00:44:44] I understand the confusion, but that's got to be the worst.

[00:44:47] Yeah.

[00:44:47] To play someone like that and then have that follow you your whole life.

[00:44:51] That's that's rough.

[00:44:54] Yeah. Next.

[00:44:56] Oh, so the next scene is why can't anything ever name Becky hitting

[00:45:02] on a guy who is very interested in Amber.

[00:45:06] And so he ends up asking Amber out.

[00:45:08] She accepts and she says it's really busy at the funeral home

[00:45:13] right now because it's hunting season and like the very next scene.

[00:45:18] It's him on a gurney and she has to do his makeup.

[00:45:22] I broke my heart.

[00:45:23] This scene, this scene just I really did not remember any of this movie,

[00:45:27] but I certainly did not remember this part.

[00:45:29] I can imagine my parents not letting me watch this.

[00:45:32] Like I don't have any memory of watching this when it came out

[00:45:35] or any time around when it came out.

[00:45:37] I must have been a little bit older,

[00:45:39] but I probably would have cried if I was in the theater watching.

[00:45:43] She just plays that so perfectly the way that she responds.

[00:45:48] Wall responding exactly as this girl would have, which is like, oh, well,

[00:45:53] you know, like, yeah, that's just her life.

[00:45:55] Like that she's used to being disappointed.

[00:45:59] Yeah. And it's a perfect setup for what else is happening.

[00:46:04] I was just confused for a second because I was like, wait a minute.

[00:46:08] Did we skip time?

[00:46:09] Like how many days is this in the future?

[00:46:11] This did the same day he's dead.

[00:46:14] And then we cut to Becky at the Lutheran Sisterhood shooting range.

[00:46:19] Go ahead. Oh, well, hunting's dangerous.

[00:46:23] She she doesn't even care.

[00:46:25] She she's so deadpan.

[00:46:28] It's it's not even like a wink wink about it.

[00:46:31] She just is like, whatever.

[00:46:33] I always felt well, I felt like she was like kind of like I did it

[00:46:37] because he didn't he wasn't interested in me is how I took that.

[00:46:42] I mean, I yeah.

[00:46:44] But it just gave me psychopath vibes, you know?

[00:46:48] So yeah.

[00:46:50] And then Amber gets this picture with it was a Tammy on it.

[00:46:56] And then on the back, it says you were next.

[00:46:59] But it looked like a little kid wrote it.

[00:47:03] Well, they were trying to throw her off.

[00:47:05] Yeah.

[00:47:06] And then she's walking home and her house has burnt down.

[00:47:12] And she's like, what's going on?

[00:47:15] She she's panicking.

[00:47:16] She she goes to find mom.

[00:47:19] They go with mom to the hospital.

[00:47:21] And she literally has a beer can like used to her burnt hand.

[00:47:27] I don't even know.

[00:47:28] Like, I know it's a joke, but third degree burns like that.

[00:47:33] Yeah, there would be first of all, OK, from a medical standpoint.

[00:47:38] First of all, I know again, it's a movie, but they would not let anybody be in that room.

[00:47:42] She would not be in a regular room.

[00:47:44] She would be in ICU immediately.

[00:47:46] She might have had to be moved to a burn unit.

[00:47:49] They would not have let her anybody like touch that or be an excruciating pain.

[00:47:54] Yeah.

[00:47:55] Like, I know it's supposed to be funny to have a beer can fused into your hand

[00:48:00] because of a fire from your trailer.

[00:48:04] But also there's realistically that woman would not even be able to talk.

[00:48:09] Nonetheless, berate a candy striper to give her a pack of smokes,

[00:48:15] which by the way, bitch, she would you want to be the room?

[00:48:22] Oh my gosh.

[00:48:24] And that healing journey, the pacing up for healing journey.

[00:48:27] It's like a modern day miracle.

[00:48:31] And they have to amputate her arm and she makes do though.

[00:48:34] She can do she can cut into a beer.

[00:48:38] Most of it falls on the floor, but she figures it out.

[00:48:41] It's wild. It's wild.

[00:48:44] She's an overcomer.

[00:48:45] Yeah, that's the thing.

[00:48:47] She's we find that positive.

[00:48:48] She's she's an overcomer and she's going to keep going for herself

[00:48:53] and her daughter and her best friend.

[00:48:55] And Amber says I'm quitting close calls.

[00:48:59] Obviously someone's out for me like I'm done and mom gets upset with her

[00:49:06] and is like, I don't want you to have life that I had.

[00:49:10] I want you to get out of this town, all of that.

[00:49:12] So that encourages Amber to stay.

[00:49:15] And her mom was in pageants too.

[00:49:16] Didn't she lose to Gladys?

[00:49:18] Yes. So they're trying to like relive their youth through their kids as well,

[00:49:23] which is psychotic.

[00:49:24] But and but because she saved the tap shoes from the fire.

[00:49:30] She said she put it in our underwear.

[00:49:32] How I know.

[00:49:33] Did you anticipate the explosion?

[00:49:36] Right, because she said it came out of nowhere

[00:49:38] and then the explosion blew her.

[00:49:42] Out like I just imagine her like flying through the air or something.

[00:49:48] And then it would have made way more sense if she if Amber has the top shoes

[00:49:54] with her right in her.

[00:49:56] She's tapping around the whole town, right?

[00:49:59] She taps at work to practice. Right.

[00:50:03] Why wouldn't she or like mom was OK.

[00:50:07] And then she ran back in the trailer to get the shoes.

[00:50:12] Also great.

[00:50:13] Yeah.

[00:50:14] So like how much she believes in Amber and wants to live vicariously through.

[00:50:19] Just call this movie Swiss cheese because the platt holes are out of control.

[00:50:26] If they were.

[00:50:29] We have to ignore a lot in the there's a lot of just like it's a movie.

[00:50:35] It's a movie. Yeah.

[00:50:36] Then we go to what seems like an etiquette meeting,

[00:50:39] but then evolves into like the question and answer practice.

[00:50:44] And everyone gets like what tree do you want to be?

[00:50:49] And everyone has all of these bonkers answers.

[00:50:52] Becca or Becky has like the very road.

[00:50:56] My truck is Jesus.

[00:50:58] The Lord Christian.

[00:51:00] I don't know my my leaves will shelter people in wheelchairs or something like that.

[00:51:06] Yes.

[00:51:08] And then they give Amber say every state spell every state in alphabetical order.

[00:51:13] And I will be done. Alaska.

[00:51:16] That's it.

[00:51:18] No, I would have gone Alabama, Alaska and out of it.

[00:51:22] When she said Arizona, it was almost a surprise to me.

[00:51:29] But she does it.

[00:51:30] And they're just like, oh.

[00:51:32] And then we find out so we have the owner of the hardware store is a judge

[00:51:37] because we have not talked about.

[00:51:39] One of the like there are so many crappy characters in this movie,

[00:51:45] but the worst is played by Will Sasso and it is a

[00:51:50] developmentally delayed man.

[00:51:53] And he is either the son or the brother of the general brother.

[00:51:58] And so OK, thank you.

[00:52:00] And so he has to be around because there's no one else to watch him.

[00:52:05] But it's like during the scene, they're like he's taking his pants off.

[00:52:10] He's doing I'm like.

[00:52:12] Just the amount of.

[00:52:15] Yes, stuff this guy does.

[00:52:19] I just I hated it.

[00:52:21] I hated.

[00:52:24] Like I tried to keep ignoring it and it just kept getting worse.

[00:52:29] And that scene where they are, the girls are answering those questions

[00:52:33] and Brittany Murphy has to answer.

[00:52:35] And, you know, each like you said, each girl is saying the man has no pants on.

[00:52:40] They didn't say man.

[00:52:41] They said the R word.

[00:52:42] And when she's filming, I feel like Will Sasso was just doing crazy

[00:52:48] shit on set and because she is laughing.

[00:52:51] Yeah, it's almost maniacal.

[00:52:54] Yeah.

[00:52:55] Oh, I did not.

[00:52:57] It's it's that's.

[00:52:59] But we when we start to meet all the judges, we learn that each judge somehow

[00:53:06] is.

[00:53:08] You could trace it back to Gladys's family.

[00:53:12] So you already know that they've picked these three judges

[00:53:14] that are literally in their pockets because the hardware store guy.

[00:53:18] He's like, yeah, we just we were able to do paint, like get a job

[00:53:22] at the heart of the furniture store, which is owned by Gladys's husband.

[00:53:27] And then the other judge, the creepy man, he what was his tie in?

[00:53:34] I don't remember.

[00:53:35] They had one.

[00:53:36] He had one.

[00:53:37] And then the woman who was very quiet, she actually worked at the furniture

[00:53:43] store herself. So like each one of them, of course, you knew who was going

[00:53:48] to win because they were in the pocket.

[00:53:50] I was like, why isn't anybody saying anything about this?

[00:53:54] It was I think at this point, Amber was just happy to participate.

[00:53:59] Like I don't think she ever expected to win.

[00:54:02] Like I think she knew she was deserving to win, but she didn't expect

[00:54:06] to win with Gladys being as involved as she was.

[00:54:09] Yeah. But now we're at dress rehearsal and.

[00:54:17] This scene where there is mention of Mexican workers,

[00:54:22] but they keep saying Mexican.

[00:54:28] Beating Becky's skirt and then we get when you think that's bad

[00:54:34] and then you get a death baby mention.

[00:54:37] What?

[00:54:39] And she gets to go see it and that's why she asks.

[00:54:43] Oh, the death.

[00:54:45] Yeah, I thought you said death baby.

[00:54:50] No, like it was like a still.

[00:54:52] She was excited.

[00:54:53] I was shocked that was in this movie, but also not because of the

[00:54:59] things that were in.

[00:55:01] The side.

[00:55:02] Girl.

[00:55:03] OK, good.

[00:55:04] I was saying that the baby was deaf.

[00:55:06] So she was excited, but I'm like the baby don't know sign language

[00:55:10] yet. Like it's just crying like a baby across my mind.

[00:55:14] Yeah, that's an excellent.

[00:55:16] Literally, I did not even I was like, that's amazing.

[00:55:19] She's going to communicate with the baby.

[00:55:21] What at this point?

[00:55:24] I'm just glad it's not a death baby.

[00:55:30] Because I was like, what?

[00:55:31] Death baby.

[00:55:33] Oh, no.

[00:55:35] And she just accepted it.

[00:55:37] Yeah, you were like, yeah, this is just this movie.

[00:55:40] It fits the death.

[00:55:42] Where are we going next?

[00:55:44] I was like, I went to the bathroom once, but I thought I

[00:55:47] pressed for one.

[00:55:49] My bad.

[00:55:52] So yeah, they switched numbers then.

[00:55:55] Yes.

[00:55:56] Yeah. And Amber was supposed to be number one.

[00:55:59] And shockingly, the light fixture

[00:56:04] falls on Jeanette and hits her in the head.

[00:56:08] So now she's out of the pageant and

[00:56:11] she dead or was she just her?

[00:56:13] No, because later on they say she's really excited

[00:56:17] because the hit on the head made her death.

[00:56:21] That got me.

[00:56:22] And they said that I literally was like, I can't.

[00:56:25] When he's moving.

[00:56:28] And then when they played it, everyone was oh, yeah.

[00:56:30] You know, yeah.

[00:56:33] You know, you know what?

[00:56:34] I am thankful there's not a mention or a black person in this

[00:56:38] because if this movie was going to try to offend

[00:56:42] every single marginalized group, they did it.

[00:56:45] Mm hmm.

[00:56:46] But she left us alone.

[00:56:48] Thank you.

[00:56:48] Let me see.

[00:56:49] Where are we now?

[00:56:50] I have to get past the death baby in my notes.

[00:56:55] OK, so now it's the day of the pageant.

[00:56:57] They come out in their first number and apparently the

[00:57:01] the rule is you had to make a hat

[00:57:04] of what reminded you of America.

[00:57:08] And so Denise Richards has a Mount Rushmore

[00:57:11] with her like little head cut out in it.

[00:57:14] We have that was a genius.

[00:57:17] Yeah, I'm saying we have Kirsten.

[00:57:20] Nunch just has the United States.

[00:57:22] We have a ball of yarn because someone's

[00:57:24] uncle owns the largest ball of yarn.

[00:57:27] Oh, sorry.

[00:57:28] I didn't understand the aside.

[00:57:32] That was good.

[00:57:33] That's a good example of the writings

[00:57:35] when it hits in this movie.

[00:57:36] Yes, she delivered it so perfectly.

[00:57:39] And then the ball.

[00:57:41] And also, did you guys notice that Amy Adams

[00:57:44] character had the Washington Monument

[00:57:47] and she is stroking it like this?

[00:57:50] Yeah.

[00:57:51] She's like the Washington Monument.

[00:57:53] I'm like, you hear her boyfriend.

[00:57:57] Yeah, I do appreciate

[00:57:59] like her boyfriend was right or die for her.

[00:58:01] Like he was like all his friends, too.

[00:58:06] There may have been it may have been a trouble,

[00:58:09] which is fine if that's what they want.

[00:58:11] Your thing.

[00:58:13] But he did love her.

[00:58:13] You're right.

[00:58:14] He had like message

[00:58:15] that he was right or die for her.

[00:58:17] No judgment whatsoever.

[00:58:20] Very healthy relationship.

[00:58:21] Yeah.

[00:58:22] And then they all go backstage and now

[00:58:26] Amber's costume is missing for the talent portion.

[00:58:29] And she knows like it has to be Becky.

[00:58:33] Right.

[00:58:34] Like there's no other option.

[00:58:35] So they start fighting at one point.

[00:58:38] She's like, bring it on.

[00:58:39] And I was like, haha.

[00:58:40] Four shadow.

[00:58:41] Yeah.

[00:58:42] And then we see like after that fight

[00:58:46] and Becky's maintaining, she didn't do anything

[00:58:48] with her costume and all of the outfits

[00:58:51] have to be approved at least a week ahead of time.

[00:58:53] So even though was it the dance instructor

[00:58:56] gives her a leotard, like a black leotard to perform in?

[00:59:00] Gladys is like, no, sorry, rules are rules.

[00:59:05] And then we get this scene with Lisa played by Brittany Murphy,

[00:59:09] where she's like, I'm not going to win anyway.

[00:59:11] Here, just take my outfit.

[00:59:12] It's so sweet.

[00:59:14] So sweet.

[00:59:17] And then we get the step ladder dance.

[00:59:21] The scene behind me.

[00:59:23] They decided to paint them the night before

[00:59:26] or like that day.

[00:59:27] So they were still wet and I, you know what?

[00:59:30] Honestly, I was surprised.

[00:59:32] I didn't make the seats red to make it like ridiculous.

[00:59:36] Yeah, but yeah, the girls get paint everywhere

[00:59:38] because of the routine.

[00:59:40] It's really silly.

[00:59:41] But just like this, this movie just keeps on getting

[00:59:44] ridiculous, more ridiculous.

[00:59:46] And they keep showing Amber's mom in the audience.

[00:59:48] She has a drip of morphine

[00:59:50] and she is living her best life.

[00:59:53] That part did make me laugh.

[00:59:54] The two of them, her and her bestie in the crowd

[00:59:58] laughing their asses off at all the people performing,

[01:00:03] laughing at Gladys.

[01:00:05] Just they were, I wanted to be with them in the audience

[01:00:09] because they were having the time of their lives.

[01:00:12] And so then it's the talent portion.

[01:00:14] We get Tessa with all the different dog barks.

[01:00:18] We get the monologue from Swailink Green.

[01:00:24] We get Becky with,

[01:00:27] You're Just Too Good to Be True by Frankie Valley.

[01:00:30] But she's speaking it.

[01:00:33] It felt very William Shatner-esque.

[01:00:38] But also this is the second movie that Alison Janney's in

[01:00:43] where they sing this song randomly

[01:00:46] because 10 Things I Hate About You and This One.

[01:00:49] Oh yeah.

[01:00:50] So just.

[01:00:52] And we get through like the first line of this song.

[01:00:56] And then she pulls out like this stuffed Jesus on a cross

[01:01:02] and starts dancing and singing with him.

[01:01:05] And apparently halfway through this scene

[01:01:09] when they were shooting it,

[01:01:11] people got offended and walked off the set and left.

[01:01:15] When I saw this,

[01:01:16] because again, I haven't seen this movie

[01:01:18] until long I forgot so much of it.

[01:01:21] The way I hollered.

[01:01:22] When she put the Jesus arms and wrapped it around her neck

[01:01:29] and then took the cross as if she was carrying it

[01:01:34] on her back off the stage.

[01:01:36] I was like, y'all are messy.

[01:01:39] This is a mess.

[01:01:40] Yeah.

[01:01:41] But also this is the thing that was most offensive.

[01:01:46] Like there's a lot of stuff.

[01:01:49] The people who were in that scene,

[01:01:51] I think we're just people who actually lived in that town.

[01:01:54] Got it.

[01:01:55] So they weren't involved.

[01:01:57] Like this is just real people being like,

[01:02:00] the fuck are you gonna come to Minnesota

[01:02:03] and talk about Jesus?

[01:02:04] Like this is crazy.

[01:02:05] This is blasphemy.

[01:02:06] And have no idea.

[01:02:07] They would be like giving a script.

[01:02:09] No.

[01:02:09] You know, it's just sit in this audience

[01:02:11] and the outfit you brought and wait for hours

[01:02:13] and now make a mockery of their religion.

[01:02:16] That's definitely makes sense that they would walk off.

[01:02:19] No context whatsoever.

[01:02:21] Yeah, so, oh man.

[01:02:24] And then we get Amber's spectacular tapping extravaganza.

[01:02:31] Was it giving you center stage vibes, Jackie?

[01:02:34] Like the climax of it?

[01:02:36] A little bit.

[01:02:37] It's also giving a little Napoleon dynamite.

[01:02:40] Yes.

[01:02:41] Yes.

[01:02:43] With the arm flails.

[01:02:45] And then I just kept watching the medium shots of her

[01:02:53] and then the close ups of her feet.

[01:02:55] I'm like, she's not dancing.

[01:02:57] Like it wasn't even just the close ups.

[01:02:59] There was a full other person when she was doing the turns.

[01:03:04] I was like, that, all right.

[01:03:07] They weren't trying.

[01:03:08] No.

[01:03:08] They were not trying to convince us

[01:03:09] that she had any tapping skills.

[01:03:11] They were just like, you know what?

[01:03:13] The Jesus scene didn't go well.

[01:03:14] Let's just get a professional in here and...

[01:03:17] It was 100%.

[01:03:20] How I felt watching Eitania, because I was like,

[01:03:24] I know Margot did her best.

[01:03:26] She's the type of actress I feel like

[01:03:27] would really try to learn.

[01:03:29] But there were scenes I was like, all right now.

[01:03:32] I've noticed.

[01:03:33] If it is, I'm shocked.

[01:03:35] But I felt like it was definitely a stunt double

[01:03:37] dealing with some of those moves.

[01:03:39] Yes.

[01:03:41] Let's bring it home because we're ready for judging.

[01:03:43] And of course, well, what's her name?

[01:03:48] Amy Adams' character wins for third place.

[01:03:52] But she thinks she won second place.

[01:03:53] Her boyfriend has to tell her to start a place, babe.

[01:03:57] Poor thing.

[01:03:58] And then Amber wins first runner up and Becky, of course,

[01:04:01] wins the crown.

[01:04:03] And Amber's sad, but she's like, it's expected.

[01:04:06] Expected, yeah.

[01:04:08] So the next day we're at the parade and Dad,

[01:04:13] the Dad comments that the day is as beautiful

[01:04:16] as a horse ass.

[01:04:18] And I'm like, where are we going with this dialogue?

[01:04:23] I do love the actor, Sam McCurry.

[01:04:27] Like he's just one of those actors

[01:04:28] you just see him in a lot of stuff.

[01:04:31] Oh, was he in one?

[01:04:32] At least Chandler's boss on Friends.

[01:04:35] That's...

[01:04:36] Oh!

[01:04:37] Oh my God, you just saw that mystery for me.

[01:04:39] I could not figure out what he...

[01:04:41] And I looked him up too.

[01:04:42] I was like scrolling through his movies.

[01:04:44] I think his name is Dan.

[01:04:44] He's been in everything.

[01:04:46] Yeah.

[01:04:47] On the crowd.

[01:04:48] Is he in House of Rust, Jackie?

[01:04:50] I think he might be one of the parents.

[01:04:52] I can't wait to do that movie.

[01:04:54] That's one of my favorites.

[01:04:55] Yeah.

[01:04:56] Yeah, you're right.

[01:04:57] He definitely is.

[01:04:58] He definitely is.

[01:04:59] It's like him and Mindy Sterling in this movie.

[01:05:02] They are the actors that have never-ending careers.

[01:05:06] They are in absolutely everything,

[01:05:08] ranging from Disney Channel to hard-hitting dramas.

[01:05:12] And if you look at their list of credits

[01:05:15] compared to these other names that we have in this,

[01:05:18] it's interesting to see they're not famous.

[01:05:21] If you ran into them on the street,

[01:05:22] you probably would be like,

[01:05:23] is that someone I know?

[01:05:24] Like a familiar face,

[01:05:25] but they're such good examples of longevity

[01:05:28] in actors' careers

[01:05:29] and really being able to make a living doing it.

[01:05:32] Anytime I see Mindy Sterling in anything,

[01:05:34] I'm like, there she is.

[01:05:35] There's her girl.

[01:05:36] She's great.

[01:05:37] We just did Euro trip

[01:05:38] and she showed up as a nun

[01:05:40] in one of the very last scenes.

[01:05:42] I was like, oh, there's Mindy Sterling again.

[01:05:45] Exactly.

[01:05:46] She must be a joy to have on set.

[01:05:48] That's my best guess is people are just like,

[01:05:50] how can we work Mindy into this?

[01:05:52] Can we?

[01:05:53] She's such a great-

[01:05:54] her comedic timing is amazing.

[01:05:57] It really is.

[01:05:57] It's not him.

[01:05:59] It's Christopher McDonald who's in House of Rust.

[01:06:01] Shooter MacGavin.

[01:06:02] Yeah.

[01:06:04] But they give very similar vibes.

[01:06:05] They do.

[01:06:06] Because at first I was like, is that Shooter MacGavin?

[01:06:09] And I was like, no, that's Chandler's box.

[01:06:11] And then there were two different people.

[01:06:13] So and then dad goes on to say

[01:06:16] that he had the swan float made special

[01:06:18] or mom wanted him to have the swan float made special.

[01:06:22] So he had contacts down in Mexico that built it.

[01:06:28] And some other racist jokes about Mexico

[01:06:31] sprinkled in for good measure, I guess.

[01:06:33] And then Becky does not wanna get on the float

[01:06:37] because she's like, it smells like gasoline.

[01:06:39] I don't wanna get up there.

[01:06:40] Mom makes her.

[01:06:41] And then lights these like,

[01:06:44] it's like the inner part of the flowers

[01:06:48] are like sparklers.

[01:06:50] And so mom goes and starts lighting them like,

[01:06:52] a float is made of tissue paper.

[01:06:55] And she just said she smelled gasoline.

[01:06:57] Yeah.

[01:06:58] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

[01:07:00] And so of course the float explodes.

[01:07:02] But I love right before the float explodes,

[01:07:05] Amber and Amy Adams character

[01:07:08] are in like a convertible behind the swan float.

[01:07:12] And I love how Amber's like,

[01:07:13] we'll just sit here choking on swan gas.

[01:07:16] And then like the swan just explodes.

[01:07:19] And Gladys is not really even upset.

[01:07:25] Like she's upset about her daughter,

[01:07:26] but in the way of like now-

[01:07:28] They're supposed to go to state.

[01:07:29] Exactly.

[01:07:30] Yeah.

[01:07:31] My daughter just exploded.

[01:07:34] My, I just killed my daughter because I had lit.

[01:07:37] I did all these things.

[01:07:39] I was always confused because I thought for some reason

[01:07:42] that it was on purpose and it was meant to kill Amber

[01:07:45] because later on she goes and says,

[01:07:47] hey Amber, you know, it was, you should have been dead.

[01:07:51] And I'm just like, wait, this is not adding up.

[01:07:53] Very confusing.

[01:07:54] I think it was the double one.

[01:07:57] Like she was expecting Amber to be home.

[01:08:00] And so when they arrest her,

[01:08:02] they arrest her because she's admitted to killing everyone.

[01:08:06] Yeah.

[01:08:07] Jesus.

[01:08:09] She starts talking about Tani and-

[01:08:11] Oh, and the spotlight because she also rigged the spotlight

[01:08:14] to fall that it hit Jeanette instead cause they swapped.

[01:08:18] I was surprised.

[01:08:19] I actually thought it was Denise Richards character

[01:08:21] the whole time.

[01:08:22] I'm not sure why I just assumed that.

[01:08:24] And so that was a bit of, when they finished the pageant,

[01:08:28] I said to myself, great job, John, movie's over.

[01:08:32] I really did not even remember this whole second

[01:08:36] kind of finisher, but I will say like one of my all time

[01:08:39] favorite parts of this whole movie

[01:08:41] was when the camera crews-

[01:08:43] Yeah.

[01:08:44] Because they kept talking about,

[01:08:46] are you guys the camera crew from cops?

[01:08:49] And no they're not.

[01:08:50] It's like a running joke.

[01:08:51] And then when the camera crew for cops comes in

[01:08:55] with the cops and they meet the documentary

[01:08:58] filmmakers and they all know each other,

[01:08:59] that to me takes the cake for this whole movie.

[01:09:02] Like that was the most hilarious, natural

[01:09:05] and it's exactly what filmmakers would do.

[01:09:07] They would know each other.

[01:09:08] They're like the only two camera crews

[01:09:09] in like Minnesota or something, you know?

[01:09:11] And they all hang out at like the same,

[01:09:13] you know local bar or something.

[01:09:15] So I, that made me, I was like, okay, I'm back in.

[01:09:18] Yeah.

[01:09:19] Like I totally felt like, okay,

[01:09:21] Amber gets to be crowned the end.

[01:09:26] But then we have this whole extra scene

[01:09:29] and all of this is fit in like 15 minutes

[01:09:32] at the end of the movie.

[01:09:33] Whereas she goes to regionals

[01:09:37] and she doesn't eat shellfish,

[01:09:39] but everyone else does and everyone else gets sick.

[01:09:42] And so she by default goes to the state.

[01:09:46] And the quote she said is,

[01:09:51] her mom says don't eat anything

[01:09:53] that carries its home with it.

[01:09:56] I love that.

[01:09:57] I love that.

[01:09:59] It's good, I believe that.

[01:10:01] I support that advice.

[01:10:03] I love me some crab legs.

[01:10:05] I know.

[01:10:06] It's hard.

[01:10:07] Crab fish.

[01:10:08] And then they go to the big show.

[01:10:11] The big ones.

[01:10:12] And they all show up

[01:10:14] and the pageant shut down for tax evasion

[01:10:20] and it's canceled and essentially

[01:10:22] that's the end of this particular pageant.

[01:10:26] And so all the other contestants,

[01:10:29] all the other states start rioting.

[01:10:31] They're like knocking stuff over, breaking windows

[01:10:34] and poor Amber, she's just like,

[01:10:37] nothing good can ever go my way.

[01:10:39] So she just kind of dejectedly goes back on the bus

[01:10:43] to go home.

[01:10:44] And then, so you're like, okay, conclusion.

[01:10:48] Yay.

[01:10:49] And then we get a like follow up

[01:10:51] of Amy Adams character is missing in the Philippines

[01:10:55] because she was stripping to put her way,

[01:10:58] put herself through like school or something.

[01:11:00] Cosmetics school or something.

[01:11:03] Like this bizarre back like story.

[01:11:07] And then we get Gladys escapes from prison

[01:11:12] and becomes a sniper

[01:11:15] and is like a hostage situation for like six hours.

[01:11:18] And then she shoots the news reporter

[01:11:21] and Amber's standing right there.

[01:11:22] So she picks up the mic and is like reporting

[01:11:25] on what's going on.

[01:11:27] And then she becomes a news anchor because of this

[01:11:30] like her idol Diane Sawyer.

[01:11:32] And that's the end of the movie.

[01:11:35] Oh Lord, we made it.

[01:11:36] We made it.

[01:11:37] There's so many.

[01:11:38] That was drops, dead corns.

[01:11:39] Oh man.

[01:11:41] The films originally,

[01:11:43] original ending had Gladys commit suicide in prison

[01:11:46] and the sniper ended up being the town librarian

[01:11:50] slash former Mount Rose American teen princess,

[01:11:54] Iona Hildebrand who I think we see clips of throughout

[01:11:59] the movie.

[01:12:00] This was changed because they had some negative feelings

[01:12:06] about it in the test screening.

[01:12:07] So the fact that that's what came back

[01:12:10] from the screening is fine.

[01:12:14] But that was the strong point.

[01:12:16] That's a solid.

[01:12:18] That's what we took away.

[01:12:23] It was probably because it was so fresh in their memory

[01:12:25] cause it was like the last three minutes of the movie.

[01:12:29] Well, we did it y'all.

[01:12:31] The movie was originally titled Dairy Queens

[01:12:33] but was changed for legal reasons.

[01:12:35] I wonder what those legal reasons were.

[01:12:38] Dairy Queen actually was like, we will sue you.

[01:12:43] We are not playing.

[01:12:44] So remember I talked about the drama

[01:12:46] with Kirstie Alley.

[01:12:49] Well, according to the director, Michael Patrick Jan,

[01:12:51] he said that Kirstie refused to try on many of the costumes

[01:12:56] the wardrobe department had picked for Gladys

[01:12:59] instead asking for them to be sent

[01:13:01] to the Scientology Celebrity Center in Hollywood

[01:13:04] to try them on there.

[01:13:06] Sounds about right.

[01:13:09] I don't know, part of me doesn't believe Michael Patrick.

[01:13:15] Part of me does.

[01:13:15] Part of me sees that that could be makes all the sense.

[01:13:17] A real thing, yeah.

[01:13:19] I cannot believe Alice and Janney was not invited

[01:13:22] to the premiere.

[01:13:24] I would say she was probably lucky

[01:13:27] but still it's Alice and Janney.

[01:13:29] How can you not?

[01:13:30] She said it was because she wasn't,

[01:13:33] she didn't make it onto the poster

[01:13:36] and if you're not on the poster

[01:13:37] you're not going to the premiere

[01:13:38] and she said they probably like anybody who went

[01:13:43] to the premiere they had to pay for that person to go

[01:13:45] so they were just trying to pay less.

[01:13:49] Big mistake.

[01:13:50] Alice and Janney also said she is recognized by fans

[01:13:53] for this movie more than anything else in her career.

[01:13:55] I don't know how she's not recognized

[01:13:57] for 10 things I hate about you more.

[01:14:00] Well, I mean this one she, I think she was in it more.

[01:14:03] I think people, it's one of those blinkin' you miss it.

[01:14:07] Plus 10 things I had to hate about

[01:14:09] you had so many people in it.

[01:14:11] I don't know if like, again,

[01:14:13] she's only in it a little bit but yeah.

[01:14:17] Anywho, so Carrie before we go into ratings

[01:14:20] and really wrap this up your social handles, tell us.

[01:14:24] Oh, okay.

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[01:14:40] Now that your adult self has rewatched this movie.

[01:14:44] Mm-hmm.

[01:14:46] What would you rating be?

[01:14:47] Oh, it's a tough one.

[01:14:50] I think that my adult self would probably,

[01:14:52] I was gonna say two day rental

[01:14:54] and I have to I think say same day rental.

[01:14:57] I think this is a great movie to watch on an afternoon

[01:15:03] where you're at home cleaning,

[01:15:06] maybe doing some other stuff,

[01:15:07] watching a whole bunch of movies

[01:15:08] or you just want something a little corkier.

[01:15:11] It would be like part of a great movie marathon

[01:15:14] with like Best in Show or Sugar and Spice, right?

[01:15:17] Or any of those kind of corkier late 90s, early 2000 movies

[01:15:23] but I would say if I don't see this movie again, I'm cool.

[01:15:28] I'm okay with that.

[01:15:29] Jackie.

[01:15:31] Never have I ever doing this podcast

[01:15:35] and like 150 movies and had such a visceral reaction

[01:15:40] to a movie.

[01:15:41] Like I was just like, I hate this movie.

[01:15:43] I don't wanna be watching it anymore.

[01:15:45] And I know it's someone's like story

[01:15:47] and I hate like that

[01:15:49] but it just the characterization

[01:15:52] and on top of it, I don't like spoofs

[01:15:55] and I feel like mockumentaries

[01:15:57] fall into that category for me.

[01:15:59] So it is a same day rental.

[01:16:02] I am glad we have done it and it's over.

[01:16:06] Same day rental.

[01:16:07] Yeah.

[01:16:10] I'm probably not watching this again.

[01:16:12] Yeah.

[01:16:13] I know younger self loved it.

[01:16:16] I know so many people love this movie.

[01:16:19] I just wonder, have they watched it recently?

[01:16:23] Have you watched it recently?

[01:16:25] Oh yeah because- Do you still love this movie?

[01:16:27] I was texting with my friends whilst watching it

[01:16:30] and one of my friends who watches it pretty frequently

[01:16:33] she's like, oh I love that movie.

[01:16:35] And I'm just like, there's something for everyone I guess.

[01:16:39] It's the nostalgia though.

[01:16:40] See like because I only watched this

[01:16:42] maybe once or twice ever

[01:16:44] and just at the time thought it was really funny

[01:16:46] so just kind of laid in my head in that way.

[01:16:50] Yeah in the cast.

[01:16:51] It's not any commentary on the cast

[01:16:54] or they're acting in it.

[01:16:55] Like they all did great.

[01:16:57] It was just, it was over the top.

[01:17:00] It was characterization of all of these different

[01:17:05] groups of people.

[01:17:06] It was just-

[01:17:09] Honestly just didn't age well for me.

[01:17:10] That's my biggest thing.

[01:17:11] Like I love supporting a female writer.

[01:17:15] It's a majority female cast.

[01:17:17] There's things that I can take positively from it

[01:17:20] but there was just too many cringe worthy moments,

[01:17:23] too many Swiss cheese plot holes.

[01:17:25] If you have a different opinion on this movie

[01:17:30] and wanna share that with us

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[01:17:41] and you can be featured on a future episode.

[01:17:43] And we also have a birthday shout out.

[01:17:46] It is our good pal Amber

[01:17:49] who has been on a couple of episodes.

[01:17:52] Happy birthday.

[01:17:53] We love you so much.

[01:17:54] Thank you for supporting us and listening to us

[01:17:57] and providing feedback and suggestions

[01:18:00] and can't wait to see you eventually

[01:18:02] on Malibu's Most Wanted.

[01:18:04] Happy birthday.

[01:18:05] I can't wait for Malibu's Most Wanted one day too.

[01:18:09] And join us next week as we cover the 1999

[01:18:12] Indie cult classic Go

[01:18:14] and don't forget to come back

[01:18:15] for our bonus episode with Kari

[01:18:17] as we play games

[01:18:18] and make her an honorary blockbuster employee.

[01:18:20] Kari, thank you so much for spending your evening

[01:18:23] with us.

[01:18:24] It was such a blast

[01:18:26] and you are welcome back anytime.

[01:18:29] Suggest a movie next time while you were sleeping,

[01:18:31] we will put you down for while you were sleeping

[01:18:34] to make up for this.

[01:18:35] Oh yes, if you have not done that yet.

[01:18:37] I love you to stake my claim

[01:18:39] and we can lose our minds over that movie together.

[01:18:42] Yeah, definitely, definitely.

[01:18:43] Next time we'll do a movie

[01:18:45] where it's not the conceptual idea of the movie

[01:18:48] that we all love

[01:18:49] but the movie that we all love.

[01:18:51] That's what we take away from

[01:18:53] drop dead gorgeous together.

[01:18:54] It's not, not what was it's what is

[01:18:58] but thank you so, so much for having me.

[01:18:59] This was wonderful.

[01:19:01] Absolutely and as always be kind and rewind.