It's time for a Mike Makes Mike Watch! This time around, Mike D is getting hyped for LONGLEGS and making Smith watch Osgood Perkins' THE BLACKCOAT'S DAUGHTER. Meanwhile, Smith is making Mike D do some Miyazaki catchup with an all-timer, SPIRITED AWAY.
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[00:00:02] Let's get together, talk about the movies that we saw this week.
[00:00:04] We'll have discussions, talk film news, we'll laugh a lot, and act like eats.
[00:00:07] Sometimes we'll have a guest or two sometimes it's just the two of us.
[00:00:09] I'll expect some jokes and tell some folks to come along and hang with us.
[00:00:12] I can't buy go to the movies.
[00:00:17] I can't buy go to the movies.
[00:00:22] Yeah.
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[00:00:25] You have chosen wise.
[00:00:28] Hello, and welcome to the podcast that will not forget its own name.
[00:00:32] It's Mike and Mike go to the movies.
[00:00:34] I'm Mike Smith, and joining me as always is a man who's taking an ill-fated trip
[00:00:38] through Upstate New York.
[00:00:40] [LAUGH]
[00:00:40] Mike Gichia.
[00:00:41] How did you do Mike?
[00:00:42] I'm doing great.
[00:00:43] There's honestly nothing better than like a dark snowy melodrama that turns out to be
[00:00:49] in Upstate New York.
[00:00:50] When they open that roadmap and I see 4455 on there, yeah, yeah, hell yes.
[00:00:56] I was pretty great.
[00:00:57] There's a line of dialogue in the movie where she's like, "Oh, have fun in Albany."
[00:01:00] And I was like, "Hey, I lived in Albany."
[00:01:02] [LAUGH]
[00:01:03] That is the appropriate reaction when somebody tells you they have to go to Albany.
[00:01:06] Yeah.
[00:01:07] [LAUGH]
[00:01:08] How you doing today, Mike?
[00:01:09] What's going on?
[00:01:10] I'm doing just great.
[00:01:11] I'm excited for today's discussion.
[00:01:14] Well, I guess our discussion about movies, but not a discussion episode.
[00:01:18] Right, yes, an important distinction to make for Mike and Mike and Mike go to the movies.
[00:01:22] Yeah, normally a discussion episode is just a free-wheeling talk, and these episodes
[00:01:26] are also free-wheeling talks, but about two specific movies.
[00:01:29] Yeah.
[00:01:30] Free-wheeling, within guardrails.
[00:01:32] Yes, within the confines of the segments.
[00:01:34] Yeah.
[00:01:35] And yeah, we are doing a Mike Makes, Mike Watch today.
[00:01:38] Like last year, me and Mike mapped out the entire year of Mike Makes, Mike Watches.
[00:01:43] And we actually are getting a late start to it this year.
[00:01:46] Yeah, whoops.
[00:01:47] So normally, it's going to be once a month for Mike Makes, Mike Watch.
[00:01:49] In February, there will be two Mike Makes, Mike Watches, because we couldn't get to it
[00:01:54] in January.
[00:01:55] Blame the top 10 episode being four hours long and be having to edit it.
[00:01:58] Yeah.
[00:01:59] That's probably what the reason is.
[00:02:01] Also, we didn't really-- we couldn't even publish the "Godzilla" episode until, like,
[00:02:04] almost halfway through the month.
[00:02:05] It would be the slow starts of the year, I think, for the podcast.
[00:02:08] Yeah, I think we deserve a little pay patience with ourselves.
[00:02:13] Exactly.
[00:02:14] For so far this year.
[00:02:15] And yeah, I'm already immediately going to have to call it Audible for the other movie
[00:02:19] in February because I can't find it anywhere.
[00:02:21] It doesn't exist by the line.
[00:02:23] It is available to stream on AMC Plus, which that's it, huh, which is crazy.
[00:02:28] And it's crazy then that I can't find that other places, because it exists to stream
[00:02:33] somewhere.
[00:02:34] Yeah, so you should be able to find it somewhere.
[00:02:36] Which movies it again?
[00:02:37] That is the Baxter, the Michael Showalter-- you can't find that anywhere, huh?
[00:02:41] Yeah.
[00:02:42] I mean, unless you want to buy a DVD on eBay or some shit, which is insane.
[00:02:46] But yeah, can't find it anywhere, it doesn't exist as a file as far as I can find.
[00:02:50] I'm sure if I asked some friends of the shows, they'd be able to.
[00:02:53] But yeah, couldn't find it, and the only place it is streaming, I think, is just AMC Plus,
[00:02:57] which is bananas.
[00:02:58] Right.
[00:02:59] Which, of course, nobody has, and I refuse to buy.
[00:03:01] Yeah.
[00:03:02] When they kill Shutter for AMC Plus, I'll be very mad.
[00:03:05] Oh, yeah.
[00:03:06] Yeah.
[00:03:07] That can't happen, right?
[00:03:08] They wouldn't.
[00:03:09] They couldn't.
[00:03:10] They already put AMC Plus shit on Shutter, even though it's not horror stuff.
[00:03:12] You're like, "What do you do it over here?"
[00:03:13] Yeah, there's a couple TV shows and stuff that they have available on AMC-- on Shutter,
[00:03:17] but it's got an AMC Plus tag on it.
[00:03:19] Like horror-oriented shows or, like, I think a couple of them just aren't.
[00:03:24] They're just like dramas or whatever.
[00:03:26] You can't remember at the top of my head.
[00:03:27] But it's not like, like, better-call songs on Netflix, I think.
[00:03:29] So that's probably not a AMC.
[00:03:30] Not that kind of thing.
[00:03:31] Okay.
[00:03:32] But it's like some stuff they're trying to like promo that they're like, "Whoa, look!
[00:03:35] It's on Shutter!
[00:03:36] Hey, Shutter people come look over here on AMC Plus, find out what else we have."
[00:03:40] Right.
[00:03:41] I don't want to see this fucking show.
[00:03:42] Get out of here.
[00:03:43] Shutter purists who just wants to watch The Exorcist 3 in Peace.
[00:03:46] Exactly.
[00:03:47] Yeah, I'm not a fan of that.
[00:03:50] But yeah, okay.
[00:03:51] So The Baxter may or may not be the movie that we talk about that you're making me watch
[00:03:55] next time around.
[00:03:56] Correct.
[00:03:57] Which is a movie I do want to see.
[00:03:58] It's one that like, I'm surprised I haven't seen just because I love Michael Showalter so
[00:04:02] much and I love his comedy and I was a huge white-American summer guy and all that stuff.
[00:04:07] And for some reason, never go around and see The Baxter, so I hope that it works out.
[00:04:10] But if it doesn't, I'm sure you can find something to slot into its place pretty easily.
[00:04:13] Mike.
[00:04:14] Yeah, we'll figure something out.
[00:04:15] Yes.
[00:04:16] But that is not the movie we're talking about today.
[00:04:18] Today I am making Mike D. Watch Heio Miyazaki's Spirited Away from 2001, widely considered
[00:04:24] to be Heio Miyazaki's magnum opus, one of his best films.
[00:04:28] And Mike D is making me watch The Black Coat's Daughter from 2017, the directorial debut sort
[00:04:35] of question mark from Oz Perkins, who is the director of the upcoming Long Legs, starring
[00:04:40] Nicholas Cage, which of course we'll have to cover on the complete works later this
[00:04:43] year.
[00:04:44] Yes.
[00:04:45] Yeah.
[00:04:46] Interesting.
[00:04:47] It's Ozgood.
[00:04:48] Oz, I forget which he's changed his name.
[00:04:49] Ozgood.
[00:04:50] I believe he was originally credited as Ozgood Perkins and now it's just Oz Perkins.
[00:04:54] Yeah.
[00:04:55] Good for him.
[00:04:56] I guess.
[00:04:57] It's cleaner.
[00:04:58] It's simpler.
[00:04:59] Yeah.
[00:05:00] All right.
[00:05:01] So yeah, it's time for a Mike Makes Mike Watch.
[00:05:02] We're going to talk about both of these movies, but which one would you like to talk
[00:05:05] about by first, Mike?
[00:05:06] I guess let's talk about Black Coat's Daughter first.
[00:05:08] Okay.
[00:05:09] Let's do it.
[00:05:10] We're going to do the alleged double feature like we do every time.
[00:05:12] I feel like you start with this and end with Spirit It Away in a more contrasting tone,
[00:05:16] you know?
[00:05:17] Yeah, definitely.
[00:05:18] And actually before we get into the Mike Makes Mike Watch, we should mention on here
[00:05:21] as well, the finalists for season four of the complete works have been announced.
[00:05:26] Yes.
[00:05:27] They are out there in the world.
[00:05:29] And the poll for season four is going to open up on Monday, February 12th on Twitter.
[00:05:34] So if you head over to Twitter on Monday, I think it'll go up probably around noon eastern
[00:05:39] time, I'll say you can theoretically, I mean, not theoretically, if you have a Twitter
[00:05:43] account, you will be able to vote in the in the poll.
[00:05:46] The four finalists are Nicole Kidman, Walter Mathau, Kirsten Dunst, and Roy Shider.
[00:05:53] I can't say that line up without like kind of laughing because it's just an insane group
[00:05:56] of people.
[00:05:57] It gets funnier every time I consider just the whole concept of those four being put together
[00:06:02] in a poll.
[00:06:03] Like it's very clear that like I had a specific agenda with my five names and Mike had a very
[00:06:07] specific agenda with his five days and Mike's was very much like, I want to cover somebody
[00:06:13] who's dead.
[00:06:14] That's the only, that's the only stipulation that you had.
[00:06:17] And so who knows that might happen this time around there?
[00:06:19] There's a 50/50 shot that it could happen with Walter Mathau or Roy Shider, both of
[00:06:24] whom would be great seasons of the podcast, but Nicole Kidman, Kirsten Dunst would also
[00:06:28] be great season of the podcast.
[00:06:30] Absolutely.
[00:06:31] So it's just up to the listener to decide who it's going to be.
[00:06:34] So yeah, that poll will go open, will be live beginning on Monday, February 12th.
[00:06:38] Go check that out.
[00:06:39] But right now it's time for a Mike Makes, Mike Watch.
[00:06:42] When you meet these people, do you say that she was a little cut?
[00:07:11] Do you say that they had to do a blood test to see if her head matched the body?
[00:07:19] Hey, Dad, it's calling to see where you and mom are and if you're coming.
[00:07:29] Worst case they come on Friday and everyone goes home and has a really nice break.
[00:07:34] After all, we can't let you live here.
[00:07:37] But you know about the sisters down here, and they worship the devil.
[00:07:47] Is there something wrong?
[00:07:55] Why are you doing this?
[00:07:58] Do you believe in God, Joan, I've ever tried to look for him?
[00:08:02] I look for him in the unlikely things that happened.
[00:08:06] I don't know what the coincidence is.
[00:08:08] Did a, did a black cot's daughter? What was in the only water? Come to bed alone in the angels. They've all got her.
[00:08:29] There's something funny.
[00:08:44] You swear out a little.
[00:08:49] Funny.
[00:08:50] No.
[00:08:51] Why?
[00:08:52] I mean, I just wish you could stay and see my performance.
[00:08:59] That's all.
[00:09:01] Alright, it's time for a Mike Makes Mike watch and that was from the trailer for the Black
[00:09:07] Cots daughter directed by us Perkins and starring Kiernan Shipka, Emma Roberts and Lucy Boynton
[00:09:12] from 2017.
[00:09:13] So Mike D, why did you want to make me watch the Black Cots daughter?
[00:09:17] Well, this is a movie that I feel is pretty, I was going to say pretty under scene or anything
[00:09:22] like that, but I feel like has been gaining a pretty, I don't know if cult is the right
[00:09:28] word, but like a groundswell.
[00:09:29] I think I think Os Perkins has been getting a lot more notoriety as like a kind of more
[00:09:33] mainstream director.
[00:09:34] I mean, this is a, I think, a neon film or something.
[00:09:38] I forget it's a, let's say 24.
[00:09:40] 824.
[00:09:41] That was it.
[00:09:42] Yeah.
[00:09:43] They got similar aesthetic choices between the two of them.
[00:09:46] So it's got that going for it and he's directing long legs coming up.
[00:09:50] Like he talked about with Nicholas Cage, she'll be definitely be seeing that.
[00:09:54] And I think his last movie was that, that Gretel and Hansel movie, which I didn't see,
[00:09:58] but heard was pretty good.
[00:09:59] I liked Gretel and Hansel quite a bit.
[00:10:00] Yeah.
[00:10:01] Okay.
[00:10:02] Nice.
[00:10:03] So, yeah, and I think this movie just rules it's, it's one of those movies that when you're
[00:10:06] watching it, you're like can feel the, the, the cold air like coming out of your TV somehow.
[00:10:12] So it's right in January, so we're right in February.
[00:10:15] Yeah.
[00:10:16] So it was like perfect timing.
[00:10:17] I know you'll, it felt like it would be right in your wheelhouse and then I, you know,
[00:10:21] get you hyped for long legs, I guess, as if you would need that.
[00:10:25] Get us both in the mood for long legs.
[00:10:27] So.
[00:10:28] Right.
[00:10:29] Fair enough.
[00:10:30] Yeah.
[00:10:31] I was excited when you chose this one because it's one that I've been wanting to watch for
[00:10:32] a while.
[00:10:33] Um, you know, I, I, it's been on my radar.
[00:10:34] You talked about it.
[00:10:35] I think over a year ago when you watched it, it was a while back when you actually watched
[00:10:39] it and talked about on the podcast and stuff, right?
[00:10:40] Like, yeah, it was, it's been a few years.
[00:10:41] I don't remember exactly when maybe in 2021 or something like that or 2022.
[00:10:45] Um, but yeah, I heard about this from a Elric Cain, who's a podcaster and host and stuff
[00:10:51] that we're both big fans on of and he's got a horror specific show.
[00:10:54] Um, I think it was shockwaves at the time, but, um, and yeah, that's where I first heard
[00:10:58] about it.
[00:10:59] And I guess it had, it's had like a title change or something.
[00:11:02] So it's like a little, like it used to be called February and that might have been like
[00:11:05] its festival run name.
[00:11:06] I don't really know.
[00:11:07] And he's always hyped, harping on like, that's the better title.
[00:11:10] Um, but black coats daughters are pretty cool titles.
[00:11:12] I like it.
[00:11:13] I got nothing like it has a song where they reference the black coats daughter.
[00:11:16] I don't know.
[00:11:17] That's cool.
[00:11:18] Uh, so yeah, yeah, I've been a big fan of this and it's, it's been like a movie I recommend
[00:11:23] to lots of people that are into this kind of horror movie.
[00:11:26] So definitely how to make you watch it.
[00:11:28] Yeah, definitely.
[00:11:29] Um, so this is a, this movie, like I said, was on my radar and I am in general a fan
[00:11:33] of Oz Perkins.
[00:11:34] Um, I, I had seen his other two movies, he has three movies as director right now.
[00:11:38] They'll have a fourth one with long legs, but the weird thing about black coats daughter
[00:11:41] is that it premiered at festivals in 2015, but it didn't get any kind of actual release
[00:11:46] until 2017, like almost two years later when a 24 picked it up and they released it, I
[00:11:51] think in March of 2017, in that time, Oz Perkins directed another movie and it came out before
[00:11:57] black coats daughter did.
[00:11:58] And so black coats daughter is, is the first movie he directed, but it's not the first
[00:12:01] Oz Perkins movie that went out into the world.
[00:12:04] Yeah.
[00:12:05] And so I saw his other movie at that time, it was called I am the pretty thing that lives
[00:12:10] in this house.
[00:12:11] Uh, yeah.
[00:12:12] And title.
[00:12:13] Yeah.
[00:12:14] And that was a releases a Netflix original.
[00:12:15] It was a Netflix movie that came out and I remember hearing good things about it.
[00:12:18] And I went to watch that movie on the pretty thing that lives in the house and did not
[00:12:22] like it.
[00:12:23] I thought it was so boring.
[00:12:24] Uh, it's, it's a very slow moving methodical movie and, uh, for whatever reason, I couldn't
[00:12:30] get into it.
[00:12:31] I found it entirely empty.
[00:12:33] And I was really bummed out by that because I was really excited about it.
[00:12:36] And so I think as a result of me not liking that movie, I didn't see black coats daughter.
[00:12:40] I mean, I don't, I don't think black coats daughter got like a huge release, like some
[00:12:43] other A24 harm movies like this was maybe like before A24 horror movie was like a brand
[00:12:48] unto itself, you know, yeah, it's definitely part of the foundation for that.
[00:12:52] Yeah.
[00:12:53] Yeah.
[00:12:54] And so, you know, like, I think the witch had come out, hereditary hadn't come out yet,
[00:12:56] but like it was, you know, in the building blocks of that, like it comes at night without
[00:12:59] that year.
[00:13:00] And that was like the A24 horror movie that got the big push.
[00:13:02] Like that came out in the multiplex and all that stuff, black coats daughter.
[00:13:05] I don't think played near me at all.
[00:13:07] And so yeah, I just never got around to watching it.
[00:13:09] I did hear good things.
[00:13:11] I did, despite not liking I'm the pretty thing, I, I did still kind of want to see it, but
[00:13:15] I just kind of fell under the radar.
[00:13:16] Uh, and then a few years later, I went to go see Gretel and Hansel when that came out,
[00:13:19] which was like January of 2020, like right before everything shut down.
[00:13:23] And I thought the movie rocked.
[00:13:24] I really, really enjoyed Gretel and Hansel thought it was really fun.
[00:13:27] Uh, so since then I'm like, man, I got to go back and watch black coats daughter.
[00:13:30] And then you watched it and you were talking it up.
[00:13:32] And then Nick Cage got cast in Osmurkin's new movie and I was like, man, I got to go
[00:13:35] back and watch black coats daughter.
[00:13:37] So I'm glad that you gave me the push to finally do that, Mike, because black hoods
[00:13:41] daughter fucking rules.
[00:13:42] Hell yeah.
[00:13:43] It's really good.
[00:13:45] Uh, I liked it a lot.
[00:13:46] Uh, I thought black hoods daughter was so intense and atmospheric and very slow.
[00:13:52] Um, much like I, the pretty thing lives in this house and Gretel and Hansel, and they,
[00:13:55] they all had that kind of same kind of slow quality to it.
[00:13:57] But I think black hoods daughter maybe does that the best.
[00:14:00] Um, just in terms of like creating that atmosphere, creating a certain vibe, kind of showing you
[00:14:05] these different stories that are sort of intersecting.
[00:14:07] Uh, I thought all of the lead performances are really, really great.
[00:14:10] So Karen and shipka, especially, I thought was awesome.
[00:14:12] And she's somebody who, um, I know the kids these days know her as Sabrina, uh, from
[00:14:16] the, uh, Sabrina TV show, but I know her from Mad Men.
[00:14:19] She was Don Draper's daughter on Mad Men.
[00:14:21] Oh.
[00:14:22] And, uh, so I, I saw her, you know, she was like five years old when that show started
[00:14:25] and then grew up to be like, you know, 13, 14 or whatever it was.
[00:14:28] And so I saw her grow up on Mad Men and then hadn't really seen her in a ton of stuff since
[00:14:32] then.
[00:14:33] I did see Totally Killer on Amazon last year, which, uh, she was pretty good.
[00:14:36] And it was fun.
[00:14:37] But yeah, here it was like, oh yeah, this just feels like, oh, this is the sequel to Mad Men.
[00:14:40] It's like Sally Draper is all grown up and now she's at a boarding school.
[00:14:42] Yeah, she goes off to boarding school and this happens.
[00:14:45] Yes, exactly.
[00:14:46] And yeah, I, I found this movie to be, uh, really engaging.
[00:14:49] I think there's moments in it.
[00:14:50] Um, just tonally and the way it kind of uses its soundscape and the way characters kind
[00:14:55] to react to each other. It kind of reminded me like it's
[00:14:58] You know, I think one of the most overused words in film discourse is Lynchian, like describing it as David Lynch, but a lot of it reminded me of Twin Peaks The Return. Just the feeling of watching Twin Peaks The Return. I got that vibe from the Black Code's daughter. And yeah, I really, really loved it, Mike. This is a very strong start for Mike Mexmike Watch in January of 2024. Nice. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, I mean, this movie that I've seen maybe, maybe two or three, or maybe this was my third time watching it. I've seen it, you know, a few times before this. And I watched it with some friends and they were
[00:15:28] Oh, it's Sabrina, same thing. And I was like, well, buckle up, I guess. It's gonna be a different vibe. And yeah, it's just it's watching it this time. I was blown away by how much the twist is like foreshadowed or telegraphed where like in particular, how many times Kiernan-Chippga looks into an empty corner of a room just in the middle of a scene. Like while she's talking to somebody else and just like, kind of, it happens like very noticeably in the beginning,
[00:15:57] when she's talking to the priest, like, or the principal or whoever that guy is that's going to Albany. And she just kind of like fades out and is smiling into the corner of the room.
[00:16:05] But then there's just lots of times over the break where they're home, where they're stuck in the school, where she's talking to Lucy Boynton's character.
[00:16:12] And she just kind of like is looking off in the corner and you're just like, "Whoa, like, oh, shit. Oh, when you go wake, what's going on there is so fun."
[00:16:18] But yeah, I mean, loosely, the plot, basically, I guess, is that Kiernan-Chippga and Lucy Boynton, it's the holdovers.
[00:16:24] Yeah, that's how I described it to somebody the other day. I was like, "Yeah, imagine the holdovers was a horror movie."
[00:16:30] Yeah, they are at some boarding school that is breaking for February break, for a winter break. And their parents don't show up.
[00:16:38] Lucy Boynton, you get the idea lied to her parents, then they set that up pretty early, like, "Oh, so she could see her boyfriend who goes to a different school."
[00:16:46] Right.
[00:16:47] Told them the wrong day that break starts and Kiernan-Chippga's parents just haven't shown up mysteriously, and we're not sure why.
[00:16:54] And so they get stuck there with these two older ladies that are, like, caretakers, nurses, they're, I don't really, they don't really fully explain why these, who these two ladies are at the school.
[00:17:04] I assume, because it's like a Catholic boarding school, I assume they were nuns who were, like, caretakers at the school, right?
[00:17:09] Yeah, something along those lines. And so it's just the four of them in this big boarding school in the snow in the winter.
[00:17:15] Just for a couple days, till everybody's parents come, you know, later on. And then spooky stuff, basically.
[00:17:22] Right. Spooky, spooky ensues.
[00:17:24] Yes, and while all that's going on, there is this other story that's happening about this other woman played by Emma Roberts, who, by the way, I was aware of this movie for a long time.
[00:17:33] I knew that Kiernan-Chippga was, like, she's the star of the movie. I had no idea Emma Roberts was in this movie.
[00:17:38] Oh, that's cool.
[00:17:39] I clicked play and was like, "Oh, what's this other story?" Emma Roberts is here!
[00:17:43] Yeah! What? And so you're watching her after she has escaped a mental institution.
[00:17:49] And she ends up catching a ride with these two, like, this, you know, older man and his wife.
[00:17:55] And he's kind of like, you know, they're sort of escorting her out of the town where she escaped from.
[00:17:59] And so, every once in a while, you're coming back to that story.
[00:18:01] And you kind of have to wait a while to see, like, really how that ties in. But once it ties in, man, it's good stuff.
[00:18:06] You got a stue going, baby.
[00:18:08] Yes, RIP call weather.
[00:18:09] Yes, RIP call weather. Yeah, I think that's one of the most fun.
[00:18:13] It's so funny, also, like, when you watch the movie and then you look at the poster, you're like,
[00:18:18] "Oh, the poster gives it all this way."
[00:18:20] Like, who's on the poster and the way they're arranged is just like, "Oh, this is the movie," which is very funny.
[00:18:28] And I guess we do spoilers on these episodes.
[00:18:30] Yes, yes. So full spoilers ahead for Black Cody's daughter.
[00:18:33] If anybody doesn't want to know the twist in Black Cody's daughter, skip ahead to Spirited Away, basically.
[00:18:38] Yeah, find where that is.
[00:18:40] Yeah, we don't know where that is, yeah. We haven't reached it on the discussion yet.
[00:18:44] But, yeah, the poster is cured in Shippka and Emma Roberts in profile with their two heads kind of conjoined in the middle.
[00:18:51] And you're like, "Oh, I see what's happening."
[00:18:53] So, yeah, I mean, that moment when the movie catches up to showing how why Emma Roberts has the, like, bullet wound scar,
[00:19:04] is like, "Holy shit." Well, I guess actually that happens before then, right, when you see the picture when James Rima gives her the picture of his daughter
[00:19:11] and it's Lucy Boynton.
[00:19:12] Right, yeah.
[00:19:14] And, yeah, so you basically, that's the moment where you kind of realize, like, "Oh, this is happening in the future."
[00:19:19] Right, this is here in Shippka grown up now.
[00:19:21] Yeah, like, you're, I mean, it doesn't even tell you that, like, you can kind of piece it together at that point.
[00:19:27] But what it is showing you is like, "Oh, this is like, they're talking about Lucy Boynton in the past tense."
[00:19:33] Like, they're talking about her being dead 10 years ago.
[00:19:35] So, now, you're like, it's everything with the Emma Roberts, like, scenes that's all happening 10 years from the Kiernan-Chippka stuff.
[00:19:43] Right, and that just, like, rashes the tension of all that, like, what happens to Lucy Boynton.
[00:19:49] And, yeah, that whole twist is very fun.
[00:19:51] And, yeah, the performances, I think, are really great.
[00:19:54] I love how, like, different Lucy Boynton and Kiernan-Chippka are.
[00:19:58] And, Lucy Boynton is, like, the bad girl with the, where's the makeup? And she's pregnant, right?
[00:20:03] And she skips, like, your lice to her parents, or she can see her boyfriend.
[00:20:06] Yeah, she thinks she might be pregnant, she thinks she's pregnant.
[00:20:08] Right before she dies, she finds out she's not pregnant.
[00:20:10] That's true, yeah, that's true.
[00:20:11] There's one, like, moment of happiness before she gets killed.
[00:20:14] Or she just brutally murdered.
[00:20:16] And, and Kiernan-Chippka has such, like, a, like, goody-two-shoes vibe, right?
[00:20:21] She's a freshman, I think, or, like, she's underclassmen, and she's performing in the pageant, like, the play.
[00:20:27] Like, she's got her solo piano scene and stuff, and, yeah, it's all so good to then have Kiernan-Chippka be, like,
[00:20:36] I think my favorite part of this movie, and that makes it feel so unique to me,
[00:20:40] is how much of a, like, willing participant Kiernan-Chippka's character is, in her own possession, and, like...
[00:20:47] She's all about it.
[00:20:48] She's all in.
[00:20:49] She's excited, yeah.
[00:20:50] She's devastated when she gets exercised at the end, towards the end of the movie in the hospital by the priest.
[00:20:56] And is begging the Black coat to stay, and, and, and, and then that, that, you know,
[00:21:01] cat-catalyzes the end of the movie, what she does at the end with, with James Reemar and
[00:21:05] the, his, his wife, his character's wife, which I love that that's James Reemar.
[00:21:10] He's so awesome.
[00:21:11] James Reemar kills it in this movie.
[00:21:13] He's fantastic.
[00:21:14] The moment when he finds her at the bus station, and she's just, like, sitting there,
[00:21:17] and they really lean into how uncomfortable that situation is, where he's, like, an older man in his, like,
[00:21:25] 50s or whatever, talking to this very younger girl, just like, "Oh, I'll, I'll give you a ride."
[00:21:30] Like, "My car's over there."
[00:21:31] And it's a way, it's a mile away in the parking lot, like, like, so far into, like,
[00:21:36] obvious kidnapper move, right?
[00:21:37] Like, and all this stuff, and it's just really setting that whole thing up.
[00:21:40] And he, like, refuses to let her say no, until, like, you know, they go over there,
[00:21:44] and his wife is in the car, and all this stuff.
[00:21:45] And she's like, "What are you taking so long?"
[00:21:47] You know, like, whole thing.
[00:21:48] His wife's in the car, but then, like, you know, later when they're in the hotel,
[00:21:50] like, he goes into the hotel room, and she's in a towel, and he doesn't seem, like,
[00:21:54] deterred by that. He doesn't leave.
[00:21:56] Yeah, doesn't leave. And he's just talking to her.
[00:21:57] Like, it's, it's a really weird vibe between the two of them.
[00:22:00] Absolutely. It sets it up, so it makes it so uncomfortable to then just reveal, like,
[00:22:04] "Oh, yeah, this is the father of the girl she killed."
[00:22:06] Right.
[00:22:07] And, and he, like, took her in, because she reminds him of his daughter.
[00:22:10] Yeah.
[00:22:11] And then his wife has this whole other, like, you know, monologue about how he says that to everyone.
[00:22:15] Like, he says that to, like, all these different girls over the course,
[00:22:17] like, these past 10 years and all that stuff.
[00:22:20] Yeah. Yeah. And how, like, you know, she used to see Lucy Boynton's character,
[00:22:23] like, at the, when it was very recent, like, she would see her a lot too.
[00:22:26] And, like, but like, you, you move on from that and stuff.
[00:22:28] And, but he refuses to let go. And, like, every young woman he sees is like,
[00:22:32] "Oh, is that her kind of thing?" Just so depressing.
[00:22:35] Yeah. Definitely. Also, by the way, the wife played by Lauren Holly,
[00:22:38] who was the love interest from Dumb and Dumber.
[00:22:40] Just throwing that out.
[00:22:42] Incredible.
[00:22:44] And who is also, I'm seeing her filmography now.
[00:22:47] She's also in Spirited Away.
[00:22:49] Really? In the English dub? Yeah, which, did you watch the English of the Japanese dub?
[00:22:52] I did watch the English dub.
[00:22:53] Yeah. Okay. Yeah. She plays, uh, hold on a sec.
[00:22:56] She plays, she, she hears his mother.
[00:22:58] She plays, she hears his mother in Spirited Away.
[00:22:59] Well, look at that. So there you go.
[00:23:01] So it's all the mom role.
[00:23:02] Yeah. An unintentional aspect of our double feature is that Lauren Holly is in both films.
[00:23:06] You know? More connections than we thought.
[00:23:08] Exactly. Um, yeah. And so, and so when you have that moment, uh, when,
[00:23:12] when you realize, uh, that Joan is, in fact, Kiernan Chipka, uh,
[00:23:17] cats, I don't care what her name is, right?
[00:23:19] Joan is cat in the future.
[00:23:22] Which, it was one of those things where I had a little bit of difficulty with it at first,
[00:23:26] just because like Kiernan Chipka is like an adult.
[00:23:28] She's not going to turn into Emma Roberts in 10 years, uh, but they also look like similar
[00:23:34] enough. And like Kiernan Chipka is like an adult, but she's also supposed to be like 15, 16.
[00:23:38] So like there's, like there's leeway into like, you know, her appearance changing
[00:23:41] or whatever, uh, in that time, you know?
[00:23:43] Yeah. Yeah, and then we'll be like, just gets away with it.
[00:23:46] Absolutely. I mean, definitely having, um, Kiernan Chipka, you know, looking like a Catholic boarding
[00:23:51] school, like at the pla, the plaid skirt and the hair up and a ponytail, like all this stuff.
[00:23:54] Yeah, they're definitely trying to like age her down as much as possible.
[00:23:57] Absolutely. Yeah. And then, uh, Emma Roberts with the like smeared mascara and like the kind of
[00:24:02] messed up hair and like is like ripping off hospital, uh, bracelets and stuff.
[00:24:06] You definitely, they definitely really lean into that.
[00:24:08] And I think it's really effective.
[00:24:09] I did not, first time I saw this did not like clock that this is the, this is supposed to be an
[00:24:14] adult version of the other character until it tells you that.
[00:24:17] Yeah. Uh, and I think when it tells you that, it's because, uh,
[00:24:20] earlier in the movie, you see that Emma Roberts has a bullet wound, like on her shoulder or something.
[00:24:24] And then later you see Kiernan Chipka get shot in the shoulder by the police officer that shows up.
[00:24:29] Right. Which is this great horrifying imagery where Kiernan Chipka's in the boiler room with
[00:24:33] these three heads next to her from the her victims. Yeah. And just like, yeah, kind of like, you know,
[00:24:37] bowing to the boiler, uh, doing like a really like, you know, creepy back movements. I don't know.
[00:24:42] It's weird. It's hard to describe. Yeah. There's gotta be some like, you know, reverse photography
[00:24:48] or weird frame rate. There's some, like, on very unnatural animation or something. Like, yeah,
[00:24:52] there's some unnatural movements going on in there. Yeah. And that, that whole,
[00:24:56] that whole idea where, um, Lucy Boynton, I think, I think they show her the, the room first because
[00:25:02] that's where the, she tells, uh, Lucy Boynton tells Kiernan Chipka that like, oh, the two women
[00:25:07] that they're staying with, like that are the caretakers or whatever are devil worshipers. Uh,
[00:25:12] and like, oh, this, they got found in the boiler room doing something or I forget what it is. Um,
[00:25:16] and that's the, that's the scene that like, she, like, as, when she, when Lucy Boynton says, oh,
[00:25:20] that they, they worship the devil, like, uh, Kiernan Chipka, like smirks at the corner and
[00:25:24] you're just like, whoa, like, so good. Um, like sharing a knowing look with the devil, like, yeah,
[00:25:30] so funny. Um, and, um, so yeah, they go down to the boiler room there, I think, and like,
[00:25:36] look at it through the window and the door. Uh, so like, they set, they set that,
[00:25:39] drop that seed for you later to hear the voices coming up from the, the, the, the heating ducts
[00:25:45] where, which, when she finds Emma Roberts down there alone, worshiping the boiler
[00:25:49] before the heads get cut off. Kiernan Chipka. Kiernan Chipka. Yeah. Yeah. Worshiping the boiler.
[00:25:53] And, uh, yeah. And then, and then I love the, the, like, no reveal of that later on when
[00:25:59] the murders have occurred at the school and you just see the police reactions to this bloody room
[00:26:03] without actually seeing anything. So you don't know what's going on until they go down into the
[00:26:07] boiler room and find her there with the heads. And you're just like, oh, my fucking god. And
[00:26:10] she screams hell Satan. It's movie rules. Yeah. It's great. And yeah, that's when you reveal it.
[00:26:15] Joan is cats. Uh, and that, yeah. So nine years, 10 years later, Emma Roberts has a
[00:26:20] skate for the mental hospital specifically so that she could try to get the demon back.
[00:26:25] Yeah. Because she's, she's been without the demon for 10 years. You saw them exercise her before.
[00:26:29] And so the demon had left her and she begs, begs it not to go. And then when she returns,
[00:26:33] she kills, uh, Bill and Linda James Remar and Lauren Holly and brings, brings their heads
[00:26:38] over to the boiler room, does the same thing again and is trying to like summon the demon back.
[00:26:42] But the boiler is not reacting. It's just cold and, uh, unused as Wikipedia describes it.
[00:26:47] She finds the boiler cold and unused. And yeah. And then she just like kind of breaks down,
[00:26:51] leaves and is crying in the middle of the road. And the movie just cuts to black out her sobbing
[00:26:56] in the street. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh, I guess, I guess it's a little more final than I,
[00:27:01] then, um, maybe I interpreted it, but, uh, I thought it was like a note of ambiguity. Like,
[00:27:06] maybe the demon can come back or something. I thought so. Cause yeah, she's, she's crying
[00:27:10] and walking in the, in the street and stuff. And she like turns and looks back at the camera and
[00:27:14] then it cuts back to black, um, or cuts to black. And that just to me is like, is she turning to
[00:27:18] look at something? What's going on? Okay. So I think that's more fun. Fair enough. Yeah. To,
[00:27:24] to me, uh, it was like, uh, you know, an exercise in futility, like, you know, I mean, you know,
[00:27:28] you say these people died for nothing, but like these people like really died for nothing.
[00:27:32] Because I didn't even come back to her at the end. It's so good. You know, yeah. I had a great
[00:27:38] time with the black coach's daughter. I thought it was so good. I watched it. Um, it was like,
[00:27:41] during, it was like on a Tuesday night, my girlfriend had like fallen asleep. I, I like just kind of
[00:27:45] home from work. And it was like, it was midnight when I started watching the movie and I was like,
[00:27:49] I was going to stay up and watch the black coach's daughter. Uh, and it's a great decision. Had
[00:27:53] all the lights off, like watching it by myself till 2 a.m. It was great. Had a great time.
[00:27:57] Nice. That could be dangerous for like a slow burn horror. Like, Oh man, midnight. Just like,
[00:28:01] yeah, slowly. Yeah. Yeah. But I was locked in like from, from very early on, I was very,
[00:28:06] very into it. So yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think it is the best of us, Perkins's three movies.
[00:28:11] Uh, it made me kind of run a rewatch. I am the pretty thing that lives in this house,
[00:28:14] uh, because, uh, yeah, I really did not like it when I saw it that first time, but I did like
[00:28:19] Red Olin Hansel and I really like this. Uh, and I made me all the more excited for long legs,
[00:28:23] uh, which, uh, hey, July 12th, Nicholas Cage and Michael Monroe, uh, which, uh, I'm excited that
[00:28:28] she's in it too. Uh, you know, cool. It seems like, uh, one of the things that like the three films that
[00:28:33] Oz Perkins has made is that, uh, each one has like really solid parts for like young female actresses.
[00:28:38] Uh, and so this one has, of course, CUNY and Sifka and a Robert's Lucy Boynton. Lucy Boynton
[00:28:42] is also the star of I'm the, I have been pretty thin lives in this house. And then, uh, Gretel
[00:28:46] and Hansel is Sophia Lillis, uh, who is great in that movie too. So, uh, yeah. And Michael Monroe
[00:28:50] kills it. She's always good. Uh, it follows, uh, the guest. She had that, she had that killer,
[00:28:55] like indie horror 2014 and then like disappeared for a while. Yeah. Uh, so I'm excited to see her
[00:29:00] back. Yeah, I'll have to watch a Hansel and Gretel and Hansel and I'm the pretty thing.
[00:29:05] Just cause I've never seen them and I really love Black Hood's daughter and I'm very excited for
[00:29:08] long legs. And I seem to be into the, um, the style that Oz Perkins kind of operates in so far.
[00:29:15] So I'll have to check those out. And I, and think I remember when I first watched this
[00:29:19] movie, I also watched the Lodge. Remember that movie? Yeah. No, I, I saw the Lodge in theaters.
[00:29:24] Yeah. I don't know. I think I remember liking that movie. It's okay. But I just remember
[00:29:28] them having like a similar stylistic kind of vibe, uh, similar setting, you know, locked away in a
[00:29:33] snowy, yeah, that's a cabin. Very different. Yeah. I, I remember, uh, I, I think I was made,
[00:29:39] I think I liked the Lodge a little bit more than most of the people in my life. Uh, but I feel like
[00:29:43] I was making a lot of, I was making a lot of excuses for the Lodge. I felt like when I
[00:29:47] think so too, what I saw it, I was like, uh, yeah, no, well, you know, it's deliberate. It's a slow
[00:29:51] word and like it's the twist isn't that stupid. And like, oh, that's that fucking
[00:29:56] that actually might be, that movie might be the most mad
[00:29:59] my girlfriend has ever been walking out of a movie
[00:30:01] that we've been to together.
[00:30:03] She was furious at the lodge.
[00:30:05] She was also really mad after Bo was afraid.
[00:30:07] I think she hid the lodge more.
[00:30:09] - That's wild.
[00:30:10] - That's crazy.
[00:30:10] - Yeah, that was a difficult time.
[00:30:12] But it had some good scenery in it.
[00:30:15] I mean, I thought it like, you know,
[00:30:17] it effectively captured its atmosphere.
[00:30:19] And then I just remember thinking the like last 20 minutes
[00:30:22] like really derailed the whole thing.
[00:30:23] - Yeah, absolutely.
[00:30:24] - Yeah, and I don't even fully remember what happened
[00:30:26] at the end of the lodge.
[00:30:27] Something about like the kids were faking
[00:30:28] the whole time.
[00:30:29] - They're gaslighting her, yeah.
[00:30:30] - Oh yeah, 'cause the lodge, the plot of it
[00:30:32] is that they all think they're dead, right?
[00:30:34] - Well, they convince her that they're dead, yeah.
[00:30:37] - Right.
[00:30:38] But then they think there's a gas leak
[00:30:40] and they all suffocated and they're trapped
[00:30:41] in purgatory in this lodge now.
[00:30:43] - Right.
[00:30:44] - It's like where that goes.
[00:30:45] - But it turns out like it turns out like the kid is just
[00:30:48] like pranking his babysitter, right?
[00:30:50] - Yeah, they've been pranking her the whole time.
[00:30:52] - Like whoops.
[00:30:53] - But then she kills the dead, right?
[00:30:55] Like at the end or something like that.
[00:30:57] - Yeah, 'cause if I remember right,
[00:30:58] they like elaborately stage, which is incredible
[00:31:00] 'cause they're like young teens.
[00:31:02] - Right.
[00:31:02] - Like multiple deaths for themselves and like look,
[00:31:04] we keep living.
[00:31:05] Like we're not really, we're already dead.
[00:31:07] It's purgatory and I remember there's like a harness
[00:31:09] where they fake hang themselves or whatever.
[00:31:10] - Yes, and they also like move rooms
[00:31:12] from one side of the house.
[00:31:14] - Yeah, they do some weird shit,
[00:31:16] which tricks her into thinking they're already dead.
[00:31:18] So when he shows up, she kills him,
[00:31:20] the husband or the dad or whatever.
[00:31:22] 'Cause like it doesn't matter, we're already dead.
[00:31:24] And then LLJK, the kids are like, what have we done?
[00:31:26] - Yeah, I think.
[00:31:28] - Right.
[00:31:28] Sorry for spoiling the lodge for every, I guess,
[00:31:31] but-- - Like that movie, I guess.
[00:31:32] - Yeah, I don't know.
[00:31:34] I'm really not being great, but the Black Coat's daughter
[00:31:36] very good. - Correct.
[00:31:37] I was gonna say it's no Black Coat's daughter,
[00:31:39] which does stick its last 20 minutes.
[00:31:42] - Yes, I think so too.
[00:31:43] So yeah, the Black Coat's daughter,
[00:31:44] you can stream it right now on HBO Max.
[00:31:46] If you wanna check it out, it's very, very good.
[00:31:48] All right, and yeah, so we ended up,
[00:31:50] we picked these two movies.
[00:31:52] I made Mike D. Watch Spirited Away.
[00:31:53] He made me watch Black Coat's daughter.
[00:31:55] We've now discovered this Lauren Holly connection
[00:31:57] between the two of them. - Yes.
[00:31:59] - But, as I mentioned to Mike off Mike earlier
[00:32:01] in the episode, both movies are about young women
[00:32:04] who go on a spiritual journey
[00:32:06] encountering mystical creatures
[00:32:08] after her parents mysteriously vanished.
[00:32:10] And so I think the counts as our loose double feature here.
[00:32:16] So Black Coat's daughter, really great.
[00:32:18] And now it's time to talk about Spirited Away.
[00:32:21] - Chihiro, we're almost there.
[00:32:27] - What's this little building?
[00:32:29] - It looks like an entrance.
[00:32:31] - We for me!
[00:32:32] - You should be here.
[00:32:37] Get out of here now.
[00:32:38] - Mom, Dad!
[00:32:40] - It's a bath house for the spirits.
[00:32:46] It's where they come to replenish themselves.
[00:32:49] And this is certainly no place for humans.
[00:32:54] - What is it that you want?
[00:33:01] - Don't be afraid.
[00:33:03] I just wanna help you.
[00:33:05] - Once you've met someone, you never really forget them.
[00:33:13] (soft music)
[00:33:17] - All right, that was from the trailer for Spirited Away,
[00:33:19] directed by Hayomi Azzaki from 2001.
[00:33:22] Were you gonna say something Mike before I cut to the trailer?
[00:33:25] - I'm impressed that you could tell that.
[00:33:27] Yes, I was gonna say that's more of a overt,
[00:33:31] what you said about the two young women
[00:33:33] on a spiritual journey.
[00:33:34] It's more of a overt connection
[00:33:36] than we've had in most of these double features.
[00:33:38] - That's true, yeah.
[00:33:39] - Plus a shared actress, oh man.
[00:33:41] - Yeah, exactly.
[00:33:43] So we had that going for us, too.
[00:33:45] Yeah, so I would say as far as me making you,
[00:33:49] me wanting to make you watch Spirited Away,
[00:33:52] I have made you watch a Miyazaki movie in the past
[00:33:54] for Mike, Mike's, Mike watch.
[00:33:55] That was Princess Mononoke,
[00:33:57] which I have long thought of as my favorite Miyazaki movie.
[00:34:01] I did recently just watch The Wind Rises for the first time
[00:34:03] and I was really blown away by that movie.
[00:34:05] And so I'm not sure if that might have edged out Mononoke
[00:34:08] as my favorite, I don't know.
[00:34:09] But Spirited Away is, I think, the one that is generally
[00:34:13] considered like the big one, you know?
[00:34:15] It's largely considered like not only Miyazaki's best film,
[00:34:19] one of the greatest animated films of all time.
[00:34:22] It was nominated for, I actually had to leave it one,
[00:34:25] the Oscar for Best Animated Feature back in 2002.
[00:34:27] It was the second animated movie ever to win that award
[00:34:30] because that award was started the previous year.
[00:34:33] - I was just gonna ask when did that start?
[00:34:34] - Yes, the previous year, the very first winner
[00:34:37] of the animated feature award.
[00:34:38] Do you wanna take a guess at what it is, Mike?
[00:34:39] - Shrek, it was Shrek, yeah.
[00:34:41] - Let's go, baby.
[00:34:41] - It was Shrek and then Spirited Away.
[00:34:43] The two, the two pinnacles of cinema.
[00:34:45] - I've never been so high before.
[00:34:47] - Yes. - And I can't agree.
[00:34:50] But yeah, I think Spirited Away,
[00:34:51] just because of its reputation,
[00:34:52] because you've sort of dipped your toe into Miyazaki
[00:34:55] recently with Mononoke and you did see The Boy in the Heron.
[00:34:59] So I was like, yeah, you know, Spirited Away, it's great.
[00:35:02] If it's a good like, you know,
[00:35:04] even if it's not my personal favorite Miyazaki movie,
[00:35:06] it is one that like, you should see.
[00:35:08] And so that's why I was kinda like,
[00:35:10] let's make it Spirited Away.
[00:35:11] Okay, so yeah, what do you think, Mike?
[00:35:13] I mean, what has kept you from watching Spirited Away
[00:35:16] up until this point?
[00:35:17] - I don't know, actually.
[00:35:18] I think it's been one of those things
[00:35:20] where we've talked about a lot
[00:35:21] with sort of the last couple of months
[00:35:23] that we were doing in 2023.
[00:35:25] Like, oh, filling in the filmographies of people, you know,
[00:35:28] and all that stuff.
[00:35:29] And Miyazaki's been one of those people
[00:35:31] that has every just always been, you know,
[00:35:33] in the pop culture, in my awareness of, you know,
[00:35:37] the Japanese animated movies has just been like,
[00:35:39] oh, the greatest kind of thing.
[00:35:41] And he's like retired, I guess at least,
[00:35:43] I guess twice now or whatever.
[00:35:45] - Retiredish. - Retiredish.
[00:35:47] Whatever happens or whatever's going on there.
[00:35:49] And he doesn't have a ton of movies
[00:35:51] and it's sort of just been one of those feelings for me
[00:35:53] of like, well, maybe I'll wait until he's done
[00:35:55] and I'll just watch all of them or not that like when he dies,
[00:35:59] but just like, oh, he's retired.
[00:36:00] Okay, I guess now they're, I can like do a complete thing
[00:36:03] or like, they'll just always be there.
[00:36:05] Like, I still haven't seen Lawrence of Arabia
[00:36:06] 'cause I'm kind of just like waiting
[00:36:08] for the perfect moment for something.
[00:36:09] I don't really know. - I have also,
[00:36:11] I'm in that same boat where I've also not seen
[00:36:13] Lawrence of Arabia. - Right.
[00:36:14] - Largely because I want to see it for the first time
[00:36:16] in a theater if I can.
[00:36:18] - Exactly.
[00:36:19] - And I'm not sure, at a certain point,
[00:36:21] I'm like, man, I kind of just want to rip that bandaid off
[00:36:23] and watch Lawrence of Arabia.
[00:36:25] - Yeah.
[00:36:25] And I can't really use that excuse for Miyazaki necessarily
[00:36:30] 'cause he's one of those guys, his films are like,
[00:36:33] it seems like every single time I go to the movie,
[00:36:35] there's some Fathom event that is talking about Miyazaki
[00:36:38] on screen for one night only.
[00:36:40] And every time it's another Miyazaki movie.
[00:36:42] So I have ample opportunity unlike Lawrence of Arabia
[00:36:46] to go to theaters to see these.
[00:36:48] - Right.
[00:36:48] - So yeah, I don't really know what I've been like waiting
[00:36:51] for necessarily.
[00:36:52] So I'm glad that you've been using this,
[00:36:54] Mike, Mike, Mike, watch opportunity for me
[00:36:56] to watch some of them.
[00:36:57] And yeah, Spirited Way is incredible, it's amazing.
[00:37:00] And as far as, it's interesting that you're saying that
[00:37:02] like, oh, it's still like, given, well, it's the one.
[00:37:05] Right?
[00:37:05] And I mean, I guess I don't know like what would be the one,
[00:37:08] but I don't know if it's the first one that jumps
[00:37:10] to mind for me when I think, like,
[00:37:12] obviously I haven't seen any of them or more of them.
[00:37:14] But like, I don't know, it's like Totoro is the one
[00:37:16] or Kiara.
[00:37:17] - Totoro and Gasol, I mean they're, guess they're all.
[00:37:20] - Yeah, I mean, a lot of them are big.
[00:37:21] Totoro would definitely be up there, I think,
[00:37:23] for a lot of people.
[00:37:24] But I think Spirited Way just in terms of like,
[00:37:27] like Totoro's a very early Miyazaki movie.
[00:37:29] Like that's from like 88, I think,
[00:37:31] and Spirited Way is 2001.
[00:37:33] So it's much further in the career.
[00:37:34] He's a more like a shared filmmaker, much like, you know,
[00:37:37] there's, Spirited Way feels like kind of the amalgamation
[00:37:40] of like everything that he had been building up to
[00:37:42] up at that point as far as just like the maturity
[00:37:44] of the storytelling, which had really like kind of advanced
[00:37:47] in the 90s.
[00:37:48] Like Princess Mononoke was a much more like
[00:37:51] thematically mature movie than my neighbor Totoro,
[00:37:53] for example. - Right.
[00:37:54] - At the same time, Totoro is also about like two kids
[00:37:58] whose mother is dying.
[00:37:59] And so there's that aspect of it too.
[00:38:02] But I think Totoro is, you know, much heavier
[00:38:05] on like the fantastical creatures and all that kind of stuff.
[00:38:08] And Spirited Way I think really blends those two things
[00:38:11] very well of like, you know, heavier storytelling
[00:38:13] with a wild fantastical world that kind of creates.
[00:38:17] And I think Mononoke does that as well,
[00:38:19] but Spirited Way goes to like a whole different,
[00:38:21] you know, plane of existence really in its characters.
[00:38:24] - Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing with watching
[00:38:27] these movies, I guess other than Boy in the Heron,
[00:38:29] because that's so new.
[00:38:30] But watching Mononoke and Spirited Way,
[00:38:34] just like every single second of it is completely iconic.
[00:38:37] And like, I have seen all of this already, you know,
[00:38:39] with like totally, but like in GIFs on Twitter
[00:38:41] and like totally divorced from wherever context the movie
[00:38:44] is the images from the movie.
[00:38:46] Like in particular, there's that one moment towards the end
[00:38:49] where they're like running to catch the train
[00:38:51] or whatever is going on there.
[00:38:52] I think and no face gets like knocked over by a wave.
[00:38:56] - Yeah. - At some point.
[00:38:57] And like that image of him falling into the waves
[00:39:00] is like always the GIF of like it says feels
[00:39:02] all over the waves.
[00:39:03] And it's like, that's the only context
[00:39:05] I've ever seen that image portrayed in
[00:39:06] is like being taken over overwhelmed by emotion.
[00:39:10] So to see it just be like a normal action in a movie
[00:39:12] where somebody gets knocked over by a wave
[00:39:14] and like not that context at all,
[00:39:16] I was just like, what is happening?
[00:39:17] This is such a weird, like a meta textual thing
[00:39:21] to be consuming this media in.
[00:39:24] So that's strange.
[00:39:24] But on its own, yeah, the movie's amazing.
[00:39:26] Like I said, the whole conceit of this family
[00:39:29] moving to a new town and stumbling onto this,
[00:39:31] they think abandoned amusement park or whatever
[00:39:34] and having it really be that they've accidentally
[00:39:37] stumbled into a spirit world that's like a vacation town
[00:39:40] for spirits. - Yeah.
[00:39:41] - And the parents get turned into pigs
[00:39:43] 'cause they're greedy little guys that eat the food
[00:39:45] when they shouldn't eat the food.
[00:39:46] That's a classic fairy tale blunder.
[00:39:48] - Yeah. - And will people learn?
[00:39:50] And then. - I would do the same.
[00:39:51] That food looked amazing.
[00:39:52] - I would too.
[00:39:53] That's the other thing about these Miyazaki movies
[00:39:54] is all this food looks fucking incredible.
[00:39:57] - And then their daughter has to sign a contract
[00:40:00] and work off their debt, basically.
[00:40:02] And then shenanigans ensue, pretty much.
[00:40:06] Magical realism, shenanigans ensue.
[00:40:08] - Yeah, I was surprised when I saw it for the first time
[00:40:11] because it is like a very loose plot.
[00:40:14] Like it's kinda just like, there is like an end goal, sort of.
[00:40:18] But a lot of it is just like a pretty slice of life thing.
[00:40:21] Once she kinda gets settled into her role
[00:40:23] as the servant in this area, in this hotel for spirits, right?
[00:40:27] - It's like Spirit Gran Butte Best Hotel.
[00:40:31] - Yes.
[00:40:31] It's really just about the life in and around
[00:40:35] this bathhouse for ghosts.
[00:40:36] - Right, that's like a big chunk of the movie.
[00:40:39] And then like, you know, towards the end,
[00:40:40] it starts to kind of ramp up a little bit
[00:40:41] and it's about her kind of reclaiming her name
[00:40:44] and her identity and like, you know,
[00:40:46] really it's a metaphor for her becoming an adult
[00:40:48] in some way, you know, like, you know, all that stuff.
[00:40:51] And so yeah, I think all that's really great.
[00:40:54] But the best stuff in the movie is mostly just her
[00:40:57] working at the bathhouse.
[00:40:58] I think my favorite scene in the movie is when that like,
[00:41:00] giant stink demon comes in, this like stink spirit
[00:41:03] and she has to bathe this like, stink spirit.
[00:41:06] And no one else will do it.
[00:41:07] And she's the only one, like she's the only one who does.
[00:41:09] And it's such a wild scene.
[00:41:11] Like it's animated beautifully and it's just really funny
[00:41:13] and weird and yeah, have a great time with it.
[00:41:15] - Yeah, I mean, then the like reveal of that,
[00:41:18] that it's actually like a river spirit
[00:41:22] that's been so polluted, it's turned into a stink demon.
[00:41:24] And she like pulls the thorn out of its side.
[00:41:26] And like it's like uncorks all the pollution or whatever.
[00:41:31] And he like rewards her with like the God thing.
[00:41:33] I don't even know what she gets.
[00:41:35] Some kind of medicine basically.
[00:41:36] And yeah, that whole sequence is amazing.
[00:41:39] And I love the like scrappy human in the monster,
[00:41:44] in a world of literal monsters kind of thing
[00:41:46] that is going on where they all like hate her.
[00:41:49] And it's like, oh, you smell so bad.
[00:41:50] You stink like a human and all this stuff.
[00:41:51] And she's just like, well, I'll work harder
[00:41:53] than all of you and prove you all wrong.
[00:41:54] And it's amazing.
[00:41:55] It's just a delight, you know?
[00:41:56] - Yeah, absolutely.
[00:41:58] Any other scenes in the spirit of the way
[00:41:59] that you'd want to give Shoutout to, Mike?
[00:42:00] - I mean, kind of all of it is the thing.
[00:42:03] I did feel it was a little maybe like unbalanced
[00:42:06] in terms of the plot stuff because I like you said,
[00:42:08] a large majority of it is her just working at the bathhouse.
[00:42:12] And that's wonderful.
[00:42:13] And then there's this whole thing with,
[00:42:15] what's his name?
[00:42:16] Hakyu, I think is the like the boy who kind of helps her, right?
[00:42:19] - Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:20] - That like kind of takes her under his wing
[00:42:21] sort of explains what's going on.
[00:42:23] And he's also a dragon and all this shit.
[00:42:26] And then you kind of find out that he's been poisoned
[00:42:29] or something mind-controlled with a slug or whatever.
[00:42:31] - Yeah, he's like forgotten that he is a dragon,
[00:42:34] like a river spirit, right?
[00:42:35] Because of the enchantments that you Baba does
[00:42:39] to the whole place or whatever, right?
[00:42:41] - Right, she's, you Baba steals everybody's name
[00:42:43] when they sign their contract to work there.
[00:42:45] And so they forget their past is the whole thing.
[00:42:47] So he's forgotten his past, but then the whole
[00:42:49] with her twin sister, like that whole moment
[00:42:51] when Hakyu comes back and he's like all cut up
[00:42:54] and wounded and you might bleed to death
[00:42:56] and all this stuff and he, what's the main girl's name?
[00:42:59] How can I forget?
[00:43:00] - Chihiro, Chihiro, yeah.
[00:43:01] - Also known as Sen.
[00:43:03] - Sen, that's an issue.
[00:43:04] - Yeah, Sen decides to go return the thing
[00:43:07] that Hakyu stole to this twin sister.
[00:43:09] You Baba's twin sister and apologize
[00:43:10] and maybe she'll heal him and let him be free.
[00:43:13] And if I just say I'm sorry, it'll all be okay.
[00:43:15] And that stuff's all great, but all of a sudden,
[00:43:17] they go on this long journey and it's just sort of,
[00:43:20] I just felt like we spent an hour and a half
[00:43:22] doing this amazing, beautiful thing at this bathhouse
[00:43:24] that I really loved and then we slam a whole other
[00:43:26] movie's plot in the last 30 minutes,
[00:43:29] which is also beautiful and great.
[00:43:30] It's all good.
[00:43:31] It just was a very noticeable and now a totally different
[00:43:34] thing when they go to her house and they kind of like
[00:43:37] learn their grand moral message in 20 minutes
[00:43:39] and then we come home and everything's fine
[00:43:41] and you're like, whoa, okay, I guess.
[00:43:43] So that's like my only, I don't know, four and a half
[00:43:45] instead of five stars.
[00:43:49] But everything is beautiful and great and the furnace man
[00:43:52] with his eight arms and he's awesome.
[00:43:54] That's the thing about these movies is everything
[00:43:56] just looks so beautiful and fantastical and is clever
[00:44:00] and interesting and feels like real.
[00:44:02] Like the thing that got me the most for that
[00:44:05] is when they go to Yibaba's twin sister's house
[00:44:09] and it's in like Swamp Town or whatever.
[00:44:11] They take the train to the swamps and they get off the train
[00:44:14] and there's this lantern that has like a one leg
[00:44:17] and a hand, like a Mickey Mouse gloved hand.
[00:44:20] And it's just like spring, spring bounces down the path
[00:44:23] with them and when they get to Yibaba, the sister's house,
[00:44:26] it just like hops back up on the post and the leg curls up
[00:44:29] and it looks like a normal lantern again.
[00:44:31] And you're just like, that's the most beautiful,
[00:44:32] little magical, simple detail that makes all the Miyazaki
[00:44:35] stuff so like wonderful and amazing.
[00:44:38] - Yeah and this movie specifically just has so many
[00:44:40] of those like very iconic creatures that have just like
[00:44:42] kind of taken hold of pop culture in the last several
[00:44:45] thousand years or whatever, 20, 30 years.
[00:44:49] Like the little dust mite creatures,
[00:44:51] like the spiky black ball thing.
[00:44:54] - The soots. - The soots, yeah.
[00:44:56] - Soots. - Yeah.
[00:44:57] - Which are in like the Spiderman's lair.
[00:44:59] The A-Darn guys lair, right? - Yeah.
[00:45:02] - Yeah, that's just like, you know,
[00:45:03] that's a thing that I had seen many times
[00:45:05] before I had seen Spirited Away, you know?
[00:45:08] Like it's like the, and of course there's No Face,
[00:45:10] which is like just one of those iconic images,
[00:45:12] this scene of like her and No Face on the train together.
[00:45:15] Like that whole thing. - Yeah, it's really great.
[00:45:17] - Yeah, wonderful.
[00:45:18] And the whole No Face thing is great that he, you know,
[00:45:21] she like rebuffs his bribes or whatever, Chihiro,
[00:45:25] like his, he offers her gold and she's like,
[00:45:26] "No thanks, I've got shit to do, goodbye."
[00:45:28] And so he like, tries to eat the whole bathhouse
[00:45:31] and all like he just like goes mad
[00:45:33] that this person has like a, like, I don't know,
[00:45:35] moral code or something. - Right, right.
[00:45:37] - Because everybody else in the bathhouses
[00:45:39] is like desperate to take his gold
[00:45:40] that he's creating and stuff.
[00:45:41] And then it's also like a gross movie.
[00:45:43] Like when the Stink Monster comes in,
[00:45:45] it looks disgusting.
[00:45:45] When bathhouse, No Face is like throwing up
[00:45:48] all the stuff that he's eaten is disgusting.
[00:45:51] The pigs are disgusting, you know?
[00:45:53] But like in that like,
[00:45:54] artistically beautiful kind of grips.
[00:45:56] - Yes, exactly.
[00:45:57] Yeah. Now when the Stink Demon shows up,
[00:45:58] like I feel like I can smell the stink demon
[00:46:01] out of the movie.
[00:46:02] I can't really explain how that's possible,
[00:46:04] but yeah, they manage to make that happen.
[00:46:06] - Then they do it.
[00:46:07] - Yeah, and I love the arc Chihiro goes through.
[00:46:10] I think, you know, the, like when she is first introduced
[00:46:13] in the movie, she's with her parents
[00:46:14] and they're traveling to their new house and stuff.
[00:46:16] And she's like a whiny kid
[00:46:18] who needs her parents for everything, right?
[00:46:19] Like she is like, just doesn't want to be left alone.
[00:46:22] She always wants to be better parents.
[00:46:23] And like, you know, then she's forced into this place
[00:46:25] where, you know, she has to, you know,
[00:46:27] kind of to start to depend on herself, become confident
[00:46:30] and become like an independent person.
[00:46:32] And so by the time you get to the end of the movie
[00:46:34] and, you know, the contract disappears,
[00:46:36] she gets her parents back, she gets her real name back.
[00:46:38] She feels like she is like,
[00:46:41] she's a more independent person,
[00:46:42] like a more complete person as a result.
[00:46:45] - Yeah. Yeah.
[00:46:46] - She, her and Hakuu like fall in love or whatever.
[00:46:48] And revealed that they've like been destined
[00:46:50] for each other, right?
[00:46:51] She remembers the river spirit saving her
[00:46:53] from drowning as a younger child.
[00:46:55] And that's how she remembers his name
[00:46:57] 'cause she fell, she remembers she falls
[00:46:58] into the like whatever river and he's like,
[00:47:01] but and he, that's when he turns like all of his memories
[00:47:03] come back and he remembers that happening.
[00:47:05] - Yeah.
[00:47:06] And yeah, to the moment when, like the,
[00:47:09] when you Baba is like, one final test
[00:47:11] and you must tell me which of these two pigs is your parents.
[00:47:14] And just like the confidence that she says
[00:47:16] like, it's none of them.
[00:47:17] And you're just like, yeah.
[00:47:18] - Get 'em.
[00:47:19] - 'Cause she forgot earlier in the movie
[00:47:21] she couldn't tell, right?
[00:47:22] - Right.
[00:47:23] - It's like amazing.
[00:47:24] - Good stuff.
[00:47:24] Love this. - Yes.
[00:47:25] - Absolutely, yeah.
[00:47:26] I'm so glad you enjoyed it Mike.
[00:47:27] Yeah, I'm trying to think of like other,
[00:47:28] like, you know, I've made you watch a couple of me
[00:47:30] as obvious at this point.
[00:47:30] So you might be on your own as far as other Mike
[00:47:32] makes Mike watches.
[00:47:33] But I'm like, of the ones that I would recommend,
[00:47:36] I think you would really take Porco Rosso.
[00:47:38] Are you aware of the plot of Porco Rosso?
[00:47:40] - Isn't it like anti-fascist pigs or something like that?
[00:47:43] - Yeah.
[00:47:44] It's about an Italian World War I fighter named Porco Rosso
[00:47:48] who has been cursed to have a pig's head.
[00:47:50] And he's like defending an ocean liner
[00:47:53] from Airborne Pirates, like Sky Pirates.
[00:47:56] - Yeah.
[00:47:57] - His voice by Michael Keaton.
[00:47:58] So we could have watched this movie
[00:48:00] for season four, and then it works very well.
[00:48:01] - Damn.
[00:48:02] - But you chose not to.
[00:48:03] But yeah, it's about like this pig who is this pig man
[00:48:07] who is disillusioned with, you know,
[00:48:09] the fascist movement in Italy
[00:48:10] and like is just kind of on his own.
[00:48:12] And he's just the best pilot there ever was.
[00:48:14] And he's fighting pirates in the sky.
[00:48:16] And it's the coolest shit ever.
[00:48:17] It's great.
[00:48:18] - That rules.
[00:48:19] Yeah, I mean, so you can have a double,
[00:48:21] you can watch both of these on HBO Max.
[00:48:23] There's that whole like Studio Ghibli channel
[00:48:25] or whatever they have on there, the collection.
[00:48:26] - Yeah, Max has the Ghibli collection.
[00:48:29] That was one of the first like big HBO Max gets
[00:48:32] was like, and we're going to have the entire
[00:48:33] Studio Ghibli collection,
[00:48:34] which I don't think had ever been streaming before.
[00:48:36] - It wasn't on film truck?
[00:48:37] I don't remember.
[00:48:38] I feel like it was.
[00:48:39] - Maybe it had been on film truck or something.
[00:48:40] I'm not sure if they had everything.
[00:48:42] - Yeah, I don't know.
[00:48:43] - But there was some kind of licensing deal with HBO Max
[00:48:44] and so HBO Max has still has all the Studio Ghibli films
[00:48:48] for now.
[00:48:49] I mean, HBO Max changes every single day.
[00:48:51] - Yeah, true.
[00:48:53] - But yeah, they've still got all the Ghibli stuff,
[00:48:55] which means all the Miyazaki's
[00:48:56] and a bunch of other stuff too,
[00:48:57] look great for the fireflies.
[00:48:58] And yeah, a lot of good stuff.
[00:49:00] But my neighbor, Totoro's great.
[00:49:01] Check that out by Kiki's Delivery Service.
[00:49:04] I think you will really like Kiki's Delivery Service
[00:49:05] actually too.
[00:49:06] That's an earlier Miyazaki from '89,
[00:49:08] which is just about a girl who gets crushed
[00:49:11] by the gig economy, man.
[00:49:12] Just gets burned out from working.
[00:49:16] Genuinely the entire movie is just her working too hard
[00:49:18] and getting burned out and it's good.
[00:49:21] - Sounds relatable.
[00:49:22] - Yeah, exactly.
[00:49:23] There's many scenes where she comes home from work
[00:49:25] and just like flops down on bed and.
[00:49:27] - Amazing.
[00:49:28] - Yeah, there's the final scene,
[00:49:30] the final shot of this movie ends with an spirited way,
[00:49:34] ends in such a like hopeful,
[00:49:36] like the magic of childhood is still alive.
[00:49:38] - Kinda thing where when they go to the twin sister's house,
[00:49:42] they like make Chihiro a like hair tie or something
[00:49:45] and it's like woven by the memories of your friends
[00:49:47] or like I forget, like it's made with love or whatever.
[00:49:50] There's like some thing about why it's magic
[00:49:52] and why it will protect her kind of thing.
[00:49:55] And when she is leaving, you know,
[00:49:58] Haku tells her like you have to just walk back out
[00:50:00] the way you came, go out through the archway,
[00:50:01] but the thing is you can't turn around.
[00:50:03] You can't look back.
[00:50:04] And she almost does at the very end.
[00:50:06] She pauses and like, (laughs)
[00:50:08] but she doesn't turn, she doesn't look back.
[00:50:10] She walks to the archway and it seems like
[00:50:12] they've been gone like decades.
[00:50:13] I don't know if you remember that.
[00:50:15] - Right.
[00:50:16] - They drive up to this like archway in the forest.
[00:50:18] They're on like a dirt road lost, but it's like paved.
[00:50:21] It's like cobblestone.
[00:50:22] And when they come out, it's like completely overgrown.
[00:50:24] And you're like, how long?
[00:50:25] Then they don't acknowledge.
[00:50:26] I mean, they have like some acknowledgement that like,
[00:50:28] oh, the windows were open and it's all dusty in here now.
[00:50:30] Like there's some throwaway line.
[00:50:32] - Yeah.
[00:50:33] - But it's like, wait a second.
[00:50:33] Are they, have they been gone years?
[00:50:36] Cause it seems like it a lot happens in that bath house.
[00:50:39] - Yeah.
[00:50:40] Truly, that could have been like a groundhog day situation
[00:50:42] where you just like don't know how long she's been stuck there.
[00:50:45] - Yeah.
[00:50:46] So, but then she finally turns around now
[00:50:49] cause she's gone through the archway
[00:50:50] and it's just a feel, like it's just normal.
[00:50:52] - Yeah.
[00:50:53] - And there's this like kind of really sad longening look.
[00:50:55] And then her face kind of like sets into like,
[00:50:57] okay, this is my life now.
[00:50:58] And when she turns around, the hair tie
[00:51:00] like does like the anime like ding kind of thing
[00:51:02] like catches the light and it's like,
[00:51:04] she'll never forget what she went through.
[00:51:06] And it's the beauty of childhood magic is alive, you know.
[00:51:10] - Yeah.
[00:51:11] (laughing)
[00:51:12] - So it's very different from Black Oats daughter
[00:51:13] where it's like, oh, what's happened?
[00:51:15] This is all for nothing.
[00:51:16] She killed all these people.
[00:51:17] - Right.
[00:51:18] - Which is why you wanted to talk about this one second.
[00:51:21] Like if you were gonna do a double feature of both films,
[00:51:22] if you wanted to program a double feature
[00:51:25] of young women going on spiritual journeys
[00:51:27] and countering mythical creatures
[00:51:29] and after her parents mysteriously vanished
[00:51:30] and also the love interest of dumb and dumber is there.
[00:51:33] (laughing)
[00:51:35] Then the Black Oats daughter and spearheaded away.
[00:51:37] That's your double feature right there.
[00:51:38] - That's your double feature, absolutely.
[00:51:40] (laughing)
[00:51:41] But so yeah, this ended in just like a, like, you know,
[00:51:43] like a one, a one melon,
[00:51:45] collock, joyful tear rolls down my cheek.
[00:51:48] Nice.
[00:51:49] (laughing)
[00:51:50] Amazing.
[00:51:51] And then I rolled right into an anime
[00:51:53] that I had just heard about on that earlier that day
[00:51:56] that I watched this on a podcast
[00:51:58] and it's just called Free Wren Beyond Journey's End.
[00:52:01] - Okay, it's great, but it's the saddest shit I've ever seen.
[00:52:04] (laughing)
[00:52:06] Okay, I was like, well, maybe this new anime,
[00:52:08] let me uplift, I don't know,
[00:52:09] it's like a fantasy thing, I think.
[00:52:10] Let me check it out.
[00:52:11] And it's about this like fantasy, D&D style fantasy group
[00:52:16] that in the pre-credits, it starts with them returning
[00:52:19] to town having just finished their 10 year long battle
[00:52:23] and adventure against the Demon King and they finally did it.
[00:52:26] They've ushered in an era of new peace
[00:52:27] and like that's what the first cold open of the show is.
[00:52:30] And the main character Free Wren is an elf
[00:52:32] who's functionally immortal, the thousands of years
[00:52:34] can live and they witnessed this meteor shower
[00:52:37] that happens every 50 years and it's like a beautiful,
[00:52:39] wow, what a conclusion to our journey.
[00:52:42] Let's meet back here in 50 years
[00:52:44] and see this meteor shower again.
[00:52:46] And they come back 50 years later, she's exactly the same
[00:52:48] 'cause she's an immortal elf
[00:52:49] and everyone else is like at-doors, at death's door.
[00:52:52] Like they're all super ancient and old.
[00:52:54] And then it's just about her journey
[00:52:56] like accepting mortality of her friends
[00:52:58] while she's immortal and like what that means for her
[00:53:01] and her perception of time and shit.
[00:53:02] And I'm just sitting there like no,
[00:53:04] I wanted the beauty and joy of Spirited Away
[00:53:07] to be continued and it's just so sad in the theater.
[00:53:10] But it's amazing and beautiful and awesome.
[00:53:12] So watch that I guess if you want to be sad at anime.
[00:53:14] - There you go, where can we watch that one Mike?
[00:53:16] - It's on crunchy roll I believe it's available.
[00:53:18] - Crunchy roll.
[00:53:19] - There you go.
[00:53:20] - And it's like ongoing, I think there's only 13 episodes
[00:53:22] for something so far.
[00:53:23] So pretty manageable.
[00:53:24] - Cool.
[00:53:25] - All right, well I think it's gonna wrap things up
[00:53:26] this week, Mike, for the Mike and Mike's Mike Watch.
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[00:53:41] - Yeah, that's why that was, there was a whole thing today.
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[00:53:54] - That makes sense.
[00:53:55] - I was wondering why you were saying that to me,
[00:53:57] like oh, that was the time.
[00:53:58] - I just popped it in my head, yeah.
[00:53:59] - Yeah.
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[00:54:54] it's gonna be the next Mike and Mike watch,
[00:54:56] which theoretically might deal,
[00:54:58] make me watch The Baxter if we can find it.
[00:55:00] And I'm making him watch Nonstop from 2014,
[00:55:03] the Liam Neeson Action movie,
[00:55:05] which I maintain is the second best Liam Neeson Action movie
[00:55:08] of the 20s.
[00:55:09] - Wow.
[00:55:10] - The gray being number one,
[00:55:11] I think Nonstop is number two.
[00:55:12] - Oh, twist, I was gonna say,
[00:55:13] but where's the gray in that?
[00:55:15] - The gray is number one, the gray rules.
[00:55:17] - Okay, yeah.
[00:55:18] - Nonstop is number two, nonstop also rules.
[00:55:20] I think you'll enjoy it.
[00:55:21] - I'm sort of the-- - Sort of the plane
[00:55:23] or the train one.
[00:55:24] - That's the plane one.
[00:55:25] - That's the plane one.
[00:55:25] - The train one is called the commuter.
[00:55:28] I was very well versed in all of the Liam Neeson Action movies
[00:55:31] until COVID happened.
[00:55:32] And then, you know, I got derailed.
[00:55:35] I wasn't, I would go like every January
[00:55:37] to see the new Liam Neeson movie.
[00:55:38] - Maybe that's the commuter sequel.
[00:55:41] You don't know about, derailed.
[00:55:42] - Ooh, that would be a great title for a commuter sequel,
[00:55:44] actually. - Oh, man.
[00:55:45] - I believe Jean-Cla laisera directed both Nonstop
[00:55:48] and the commuter.
[00:55:49] I believe he just announced a new, like,
[00:55:52] that kind of action movie recently.
[00:55:54] I'm not sure that Liam Neeson's in it,
[00:55:57] but I am glad that he's kind of returning to that
[00:55:59] because Jean-Cla laisera kind of got hooked up
[00:56:01] with The Rock for his last couple of movies.
[00:56:04] Like, he became one of The Rock's guys.
[00:56:05] And so he directed Jungle Cruise and Black Adam
[00:56:08] and they were awful.
[00:56:09] - Wow.
[00:56:10] - But I generally really like him.
[00:56:12] He also did The Shallows with Blake Lively, which is great.
[00:56:15] Yeah, Carreon is the name of the movie.
[00:56:17] Carreon, an action thriller, a mysterious traveler,
[00:56:20] black males, Ethan Topek, a young TSA agent
[00:56:23] to let a dangerous package slip through security
[00:56:25] and onto a Christmas day flight.
[00:56:27] - Hello.
[00:56:28] - Starring Terran Eagerton and Jason Bateman.
[00:56:31] So, yeah, I'm excited.
[00:56:33] Oh, it's a Netflix thing.
[00:56:34] Well, we'll still excited.
[00:56:36] - Netflix keeps trying to get me to click on Cold Pursuit,
[00:56:39] which is another one of these Liam Neeson movies.
[00:56:41] - I have seen Cold Pursuit.
[00:56:43] - But it's doing the thing where the thumbnail
[00:56:45] is not Liam Neeson.
[00:56:46] It's like some other--
[00:56:47] - Is it Laura Dern?
[00:56:48] 'Cause she's in them.
[00:56:49] - It's not Laura Dern.
[00:56:50] It's somebody in a dress as a cop and like in the snow
[00:56:53] with a gun and like, I don't know, it looks kind of cool.
[00:56:55] And then every time I hover over it,
[00:56:56] it turns into a thumbnail of Liam Neeson
[00:56:59] and I'm like, not today.
[00:57:00] - You almost got me Netflix.
[00:57:03] - But what they over remember, this is--
[00:57:04] - Cold Pursuit was a real movie that came out in theaters.
[00:57:07] - I think my parents, is he the Snowflower Driver
[00:57:09] in that movie?
[00:57:10] - Yes.
[00:57:10] Yeah, I saw it in theaters when I was still seeing
[00:57:13] every Liam Neeson action movie.
[00:57:14] And I remember not liking it that much,
[00:57:16] although it did get solid reviews.
[00:57:18] - I agree.
[00:57:19] - But yeah, Liam Neeson plays a brooding
[00:57:21] and vengeful Snowflower Driver who starts killing
[00:57:24] the members of a drug cartel following the murder of his son.
[00:57:28] - I think maybe it's better that I gave a credit for,
[00:57:30] actually.
[00:57:31] - Just one that, maybe it's better,
[00:57:33] and two, I think we've been getting AI-generated movies
[00:57:36] longer than we've knowed about.
[00:57:37] (laughing)
[00:57:39] - Just generate me a generic Liam Neeson movie,
[00:57:42] a brooding, vengeful Snowflower Driver.
[00:57:45] - Well, I can confirm, Michael, because I have seen the movie.
[00:57:47] Liam Neeson does kill at least one person with his Snowflower.
[00:57:50] - All right, worth it.
[00:57:51] Vindicated.
[00:57:52] - So yeah, Cold Pursuit, not one of my favorite Liam Neesons,
[00:57:54] but it is on Netflix now, people want to watch it.
[00:57:56] However, non-stop is one of my favorite Liam Neesons,
[00:57:58] and so in two weeks, Mike D's watching it,
[00:58:00] and it's gonna be a fun time.
[00:58:02] In the meantime, the complete works, Season 4 poll,
[00:58:05] goes live on Monday, February 12th,
[00:58:07] go voting it for finalists.
[00:58:09] You got Nicole Kidman, Walter Mathau,
[00:58:11] Kirsten Dunsen, Roy Scheider, what a group of people.
[00:58:14] (laughing)
[00:58:16] - Can't wait, I'm so excited to see where the votes fall.
[00:58:20] - Yes, absolutely, and all week on Twitter,
[00:58:23] I'll be pouring one out for all the nominees
[00:58:25] that didn't make the cuts for the complete work.
[00:58:28] Season 4, I'm sorry, Michael Keaton.
[00:58:30] I was really, I think of all the nominees that I had,
[00:58:35] I was like so sure Michael Keaton was going to get in.
[00:58:37] I was like, this is it, he's gonna win the poll,
[00:58:39] it's gonna be a whole thing,
[00:58:40] and it was the first one you voted, a first one gone.
[00:58:44] Yeah, maybe if we thought about more,
[00:58:47] if I had been more conscious of just, you know,
[00:58:49] Beetlejuice II, maybe that would've made more sense.
[00:58:52] - Now's the time, yeah, I believe Beetlejuice II
[00:58:55] will probably have a Superbook commercial
[00:58:56] that I'll be airing soon, so yeah,
[00:58:59] Michael Keaton Fever, catch it.
[00:59:00] I mean, it's also a weird thing where like,
[00:59:02] Michael Keaton, wait, we have to end this episode,
[00:59:04] but Michael Keaton is doing that kind of Harrison Ford thing
[00:59:08] now where he's just like, okay,
[00:59:10] now I'm reprising all of my old character.
[00:59:12] Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm playing Batman again,
[00:59:14] and now I'm playing Beetlejuice again,
[00:59:16] and soon there'll be a Mr. Mom II or something,
[00:59:18] like it's just, (laughing)
[00:59:19] - He'll be that one cop from Jackie Brown,
[00:59:21] and that's Steven Soderbergh movie,
[00:59:22] there'll be a third one.
[00:59:23] - That would be actually the ideal situation,
[00:59:25] that would rule, a ray spin-off,
[00:59:27] a ray nickel let spin-off of Jackie Town,
[00:59:29] and that would be pretty cool.
[00:59:31] All right, we gotta end this.
[00:59:32] That is the end of this episode of Mike Mucko the Movies.
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