Star Trek: First Contact

[00:00:00] Let's get together talk about the movies that we saw this week. We'll have discussions, talk film news, we'll laugh a lot and act like heaps. Sometimes we'll have a guest or two sometimes it's just the two of us. I'll smack some jokes and tell some folks to come along and hang with us!

[00:00:12] Mike and Mike Go To The Movies, Mike and Mike Go To The Movies, yeah!

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[00:00:28] No! No! I will not sacrifice the podcast. We've made too many compromises already. Too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back.

[00:00:40] Not again. The line must be drawn here. This far, no further and I will make them listen to Mike and Mike Go To The Movie.

[00:00:51] I think it would have been better if it ended with a plug for our podcast. I think you're right.

[00:00:55] Yeah, I think so too. We're simulating Jean-Luc Picard's dialogue into a plug for Michael McCartney's movies. Was that an okay Picard? Did you feel like Patrick Stewart was in the room with you right now?

[00:01:06] He was right. Yeah, just move through you.

[00:01:10] I'm Mike Smith and Joining Me As Always is a man beginning to see the metaphor between himself and Katanaehab.

[00:01:16] I'm like D'Crucian. How do you do, Mike?

[00:01:19] I'm doing great. I think it's funny that even in the year 2065 or the 24th century or whatever, I guess Picard is for the 24th century, even then people wouldn't really remember.

[00:01:31] Still don't really remember Moviedick.

[00:01:34] They got the basic gist of it, but then I think one of them is like, oh yeah, you know, I get it, but I haven't read it.

[00:01:40] That's how I got a master's degree. It's like, yeah, I basically got it.

[00:01:43] Yeah, you got the spark notes. You got the whole thing.

[00:01:47] Yeah, what's been going on in the life of Mike Criccio?

[00:01:50] Not a whole lot. Computer stuff like I was talking about last week that got delivered today.

[00:01:55] So I'm going to be building a new PC. That's very exciting, but also scary.

[00:01:59] Because what if break? What if break?

[00:02:03] That is something you have to ask yourself. I hope it doesn't because we got to record podcasts.

[00:02:08] We got podcasts, maybe the show must go on.

[00:02:10] Exactly. Yeah. You're going to be recording on a tin can for the next few episodes.

[00:02:15] I'll have to bust out my laptop that can barely work. Remember those days, Mike?

[00:02:20] Yes. Yeah. I do remember that actually. Yeah.

[00:02:23] Because that was the reason you got the PC was because it like was basically non-functional, right?

[00:02:27] Like it just shut down once.

[00:02:29] Yeah. Basically, it wouldn't hold a Wi-Fi connection.

[00:02:30] Right. It just like wouldn't connect at all anymore.

[00:02:34] Or it would go up and down. I'd watch the bar go three bars, one bar, three bars, one bar.

[00:02:39] Which is real hard to record a podcast on.

[00:02:41] Yes. That does make it difficult. And I had to do the same thing a few years ago.

[00:02:45] I have a laptop. I didn't build a PC. I'm not a genius like you, Mike.

[00:02:52] Few people are.

[00:02:55] Yeah. So far my laptop's still working, which is nice.

[00:02:57] That's good. That was a harrowing expense when I had to buy a new laptop.

[00:03:03] Yeah. But yeah, there it is.

[00:03:05] So we are going to be talking about Star Trek First Contact today, Mike.

[00:03:08] Goddamn right we are.

[00:03:10] Yes. And we're going to get to that in just a few minutes.

[00:03:13] But first, I think we have to make an announcement on this episode of the podcast.

[00:03:17] And you know, it's somewhat sad news.

[00:03:21] I guess if you're a fan of Mike, you might go to the movies.

[00:03:23] But I think it's ultimately better for the both of us.

[00:03:25] Yes. That's good, right? That's a plus.

[00:03:29] That is a huge pro personally for the two of us.

[00:03:32] Yes. So Mike and I have been talking about the state of the podcast over the last few months.

[00:03:38] And we've recently been recording the Complete Works, the Roy Scheider season,

[00:03:42] which is going to start publishing in like a month or so maybe.

[00:03:45] We're not putting a firm date on that quite yet.

[00:03:48] But you know, we've both been feeling maybe a little bit burned out.

[00:03:51] Yes. By doing two podcasts every single week.

[00:03:55] For years now. For years.

[00:03:57] Yes. I mean, we've been doing these podcasts since 2015.

[00:04:00] We've been doing them for nine years. That's crazy.

[00:04:02] That's insane. Yeah.

[00:04:04] For a podcast with numbers like ours, we shouldn't be doing it.

[00:04:07] It felt like in 2015 it was like, man, podcast is so crowded

[00:04:13] and it's been nine years since then.

[00:04:16] Now there's more podcasts if you can believe me.

[00:04:18] Yes. And we're not ending. I guess we should say that now.

[00:04:22] It's not over. Exactly.

[00:04:24] Because the preamble we just did, if I was a listener,

[00:04:26] I would think we're about to end the show, but we're not ending the show.

[00:04:28] No, we're not ending the show, but we are downsizing it a little bit.

[00:04:32] So we've decided to make the Complete Works our flagship show.

[00:04:37] Like that's going to be the show that, you know,

[00:04:39] we'll have a new episode every week, all that kind of stuff.

[00:04:41] Mike and my go-to-the-movies is going to go down to once every other week.

[00:04:44] So every two weeks, we'll still have a new episode of Mike and my go-to-the-movies,

[00:04:49] but we're not going to be publishing the episodes on this feed for that much longer.

[00:04:54] If you're only subscribed to Mike and my go-to-the-movies,

[00:04:56] you will eventually run out of episode.

[00:04:59] It will end eventually.

[00:05:01] So instead what we're going to be doing is basically releasing Mike and my go-to-the-movies

[00:05:04] every other week as a bonus episode to the Complete Works.

[00:05:08] So if you want to continue listening to Mike and my go-to-the-movies,

[00:05:10] if you're not already subscribed to the Complete Works,

[00:05:14] you should subscribe over there because then you'll still be able to get all your fun

[00:05:18] Mike and Mike action that you love so very much.

[00:05:20] Correct. Yeah. We're going to keep doing all the same episode types, you know,

[00:05:24] discussions, Mike makes Mike watch, guest makes us watch, paid for episodes,

[00:05:30] all the usual stuff, but we're just going to downsize.

[00:05:33] Yeah. Paid for episodes, Mike makes Mike watch.

[00:05:35] We'll still be doing one of those a month and we'll be doing discussions,

[00:05:36] all that stuff. And we'll still do, you know, your Oscars recap,

[00:05:41] your top 10 episode at the end of the year, you know,

[00:05:43] there are annual in-person episode where we all pick a movie to watch and talk about it.

[00:05:48] You know, all the staples of the podcast will still be intact.

[00:05:52] There will just be less of this podcast because it's becoming kind of taxing to do both.

[00:05:59] It is a lot for the 25 of you that listen.

[00:06:02] Yes. Which we appreciate a lot. Thank you very much.

[00:06:06] We love it. We appreciate it. If you are able to, we'd love a donation.

[00:06:10] That'd be great. That'd be great.

[00:06:12] But yeah, so unfortunately we kind of, you know, we kind of came to this decision.

[00:06:16] I don't think we're like too broken up about it.

[00:06:19] You know, I think it's something that, you know, because the podcast is still going on,

[00:06:21] you know, it's still continuing.

[00:06:23] You'll still hear the Mike and Mike theme on those bonus episodes.

[00:06:25] Like it's basically going to be in its exact same form.

[00:06:28] It'll just be in a different place every other week instead of every week.

[00:06:31] Correct. Yeah. And I'm already picturing excited about, you know,

[00:06:34] we have our, we'll have our two standard episodes and then us being like,

[00:06:38] we got to talk about whatever and we'll do an extra one or what, you know,

[00:06:41] just it'll be nice to not be committed to having to do two podcasts every week.

[00:06:45] Yeah. Forever.

[00:06:47] Exactly. Yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot of recording. It's a lot of editing.

[00:06:51] You know, I edit the complete works pretty much by myself,

[00:06:54] but Kyle Cullen who is our music supervisor slash editor for Mike and Mike Go to the Movies.

[00:06:58] And I feel like we never gave him enough credit for editing this podcast.

[00:07:01] Yeah. We always just call him the music supervisor.

[00:07:03] He's been editing Mike Go to the Movies for the last couple of years now at this point.

[00:07:07] Since the pandemic, at least. Yeah.

[00:07:09] And he's been great about having like a fast turnaround because we record him on Tuesdays

[00:07:13] and we've been publishing on Thursdays.

[00:07:15] But you know, in that time, he's had children and it's twins.

[00:07:20] Twins. He has two kids. That's crazy. Kyle, if you're listening to this, great job, man.

[00:07:25] I mean, I think he has to listen to this.

[00:07:27] I think he has to. Unless he's been pretending to edit the podcast all these years.

[00:07:31] I never listened to that. I wouldn't know.

[00:07:35] He's just been putting out nothing but fart noises and that's why we have 20 people, 25 people.

[00:07:41] Exactly. But yeah. So we want to give a shout out to Kyle because yeah,

[00:07:46] give him a lot of credit for editing the podcast over the last few years.

[00:07:49] But yeah, it's also becoming, you know, more of a thing for him.

[00:07:53] He has kids now. And so I think having one every other week will help us with kind of that flow of episodes

[00:07:57] and all that kind of stuff. So that's what's going on.

[00:08:01] We are downsizing Mike and Mike Go to the movies and we're going to stop publishing episodes on this Mike and Mike feed pretty soon.

[00:08:07] Basically once the complete work starts, like the new season of the complete work starts,

[00:08:12] that's when we're going to stop publishing episodes over here and that's when we'll make the transition to like one every two weeks.

[00:08:17] So in the meantime, we're going to be publishing these episodes on both feeds starting with this episode.

[00:08:22] So that'll make the transition a little bit easier for you if you want to just jump over to the complete works and subscribe over there.

[00:08:28] Because over like right now, the complete works feed is empty.

[00:08:31] We haven't been publishing anything because we've been recording Roy Scheider stuff.

[00:08:34] Right. Yeah. We're in, you know, I was going to say pre-production, but we're in the recording phase.

[00:08:39] We want to have a couple of episodes in the bank ready to go before we start releasing them just in case scheduling things or just to have some lead time.

[00:08:46] Because we are usually flying by the seat of our pants and that's been part of the problem.

[00:08:51] It's like, hey, we have two days for this thing to be finished.

[00:08:53] Yeah, exactly. We're going to be working on that.

[00:08:55] Yeah, it'll be cool to start publishing them on both I think and then, you know, we'll have more specific dates as we get closer.

[00:09:01] But in the next month or two, we'll transition to bi-weekly for Mike and Mike and then complete works every week.

[00:09:07] Yeah, absolutely. And plus complete works.

[00:09:09] I mean, we might have a bonus episode of complete works here and there over the next couple of months because Nick Cage's new horror movie out, Arcadian.

[00:09:15] Two horror movies coming out this year, right?

[00:09:17] Yes, but that one's Long Legs is in July. Arcadian I believe is out in select theaters now or it's going to be very soon.

[00:09:23] Right.

[00:09:25] And then there's also They Shot the Piano Player, the new Jeff Goldblum pseudo documentary animated thing, which I know has played certain theaters, but is not available on video on demand yet so we can't watch it yet.

[00:09:35] Right.

[00:09:37] And when's Wicked coming out, which is both of Michelle Yellen, Jeff Goldblum?

[00:09:39] That's end of the year. We got some time for that one.

[00:09:40] That's end of the year.

[00:09:42] I believe Thanksgiving or Christmas or something like that.

[00:09:45] I could have seen that, Kevin.

[00:09:47] Yeah, we got to wait until that one. That might have to be our end of year in-person episode.

[00:09:51] There's not that many big movies coming out at the end of the year right now.

[00:09:54] It's like that or Nosferatu, which I mean that one will too.

[00:09:57] Maybe.

[00:09:59] But yeah, we're getting ahead of ourselves there.

[00:10:02] That might be a little while till we get to that.

[00:10:04] But yeah, so there you go.

[00:10:06] To recap, Mike and Mike go to the movies, downsizing to bi-weekly episodes,

[00:10:10] and the episodes are going to be moving on to the complete works feed in the near future.

[00:10:14] So if you're not subscribed over there, get subscribed.

[00:10:17] And with that we can move on into the main subject of the episode, Mike.

[00:10:21] We got a donation, a $50 donation to our Ko-fi page, which you can still do.

[00:10:28] Anybody can donate $50 to our Ko-fi page.

[00:10:31] If there's one thing we're not doing.

[00:10:33] Turning off the Ko-fi page.

[00:10:36] You can donate $50 to our Ko-fi page, and if you do, we will record an episode about anything you want essentially.

[00:10:44] Within reason I guess we should say.

[00:10:47] Yeah, asterisk mostly.

[00:10:49] Yeah, mostly.

[00:10:51] If we turn it down, I guess we can refund your money maybe or something.

[00:10:54] I don't know how Ko-fi works, or we'll just tell you to pick something else.

[00:10:57] That could work too.

[00:10:58] But we got a donation, $50 from I believe David, right Mike?

[00:11:03] Yes, yes.

[00:11:05] Friend of the pod, David.

[00:11:07] Yes, friend of the pod, David who I believe also made us watch the Dungeons and Dragons movies last year, right?

[00:11:11] Correct.

[00:11:13] He donated last year and made us watch two D&D movies.

[00:11:16] He made us watch the 2000 Dungeons and Dragons and the new Dungeons and Dragons on our Among Thieves.

[00:11:22] This time around, David is making us watch Star Trek First Contact.

[00:11:26] Now David is not the one who made us watch Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan a few months ago.

[00:11:31] I believe, was that Jake?

[00:11:33] That might have been Jake, I think that was Jake.

[00:11:35] I don't remember off my head actually.

[00:11:37] I'm pretty sure it was Jake that made us watch Star Trek II.

[00:11:39] If not, I mean Jake is listening.

[00:11:41] I know he's like one of the people I know listens to pretty much every episode,

[00:11:43] and I know he's listening to Star Trek First Contact.

[00:11:45] So if it wasn't you Jake, I'm sorry, I apologize for misattributing Star Trek II to you.

[00:11:51] I know he made us watch Freddy Got Fingered.

[00:11:53] That was a Jake thing for sure.

[00:11:54] I think it was a movie channel.

[00:11:56] Incredible. Where it belongs?

[00:11:58] Question mark.

[00:12:00] I just remember by the end of that episode, we had talked ourselves into Freddy Got Fingered being a masterpiece.

[00:12:07] We started off hating that movie by the time we got to the end.

[00:12:11] Yeah, I don't know if I hated it to start off with, but I was very much like, yeah, it's okay.

[00:12:15] There's some segments that I thought were kind of funny,

[00:12:18] but I was watching it one in the afternoon by myself.

[00:12:21] It wasn't the best.

[00:12:22] I needed a group of stone friends to be around, to really appreciate Freddy Got Fingered.

[00:12:26] And apparently the criterion feels the same.

[00:12:28] Yes.

[00:12:30] That's part of their Razzies list, like their category, which is a great idea for a series.

[00:12:35] Just all the best movies that the Razzies gave worst picture to or something.

[00:12:40] So it's Freddy Got Fingered, it's Showgirls, it's Under the Cherry Moon,

[00:12:43] it's a bunch of wild stuff in there.

[00:12:46] Cruising, which rules.

[00:12:48] So yeah, pretty cool.

[00:12:49] First contact is the subject of today's episode.

[00:12:53] And so let's get into it, Mike.

[00:12:55] It's time for Star Trek First Contact.

[00:12:56] Imagine a race of beings, possessed of one mind, driven by one will, intent on one purpose.

[00:13:23] To seize our past and control our future.

[00:13:30] So the ghost of Earth, maximum warp.

[00:13:34] Now one captain against orders.

[00:13:37] Red Alerts, all hands to battle stations.

[00:13:40] Must succeed where all others have failed.

[00:13:43] Looks like the control decks 26 up to 11.

[00:13:46] They have assimilated more than half the ship.

[00:13:53] Surrender yourself or we will destroy your ship.

[00:13:57] The line must be drawn here.

[00:14:01] On November 22nd, resistance is futile.

[00:14:05] Star Trek First Contact.

[00:14:09] Alright that was from the trailer for Star Trek First Contact from 1996, directed by Jonathan Frakes,

[00:14:15] who also plays Riker in the Star Trek Next Generation cast.

[00:14:18] And yeah, Star Trek First Contact.

[00:14:19] So I was excited about this one, Mike, because it gave me an excuse to continue watching my Star Trek movie.

[00:14:25] Yes.

[00:14:27] So to recap, we talked about Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan on this podcast a few months ago.

[00:14:32] A movie we both really liked.

[00:14:34] We had a good time with Wrath of Khan.

[00:14:36] But in that time I was like, well you know what?

[00:14:38] I am a casual Star Trek guy.

[00:14:40] I have seen some episodes of the original series.

[00:14:42] I've seen a little bit of Next Generation.

[00:14:44] I had never watched any of the movies besides the JJ Abrams reboot trilogy.

[00:14:49] Before Wrath of Khan, I watched Star Trek The Motion Picture which is a masterpiece.

[00:14:54] Change your life.

[00:14:56] Yeah it's unbelievable one of the best movies ever made.

[00:14:58] And after I watched Wrath of Khan, I also watched Star Trek III and IV, Search for Spock and The Voyage Home

[00:15:04] because II, III and IV are all like one kind of complete arc in the series.

[00:15:09] Like they all kind of tell a continuous story.

[00:15:11] So I watched all those and my plan was to finish out my Blu-ray set.

[00:15:14] I had the Blu-ray set of the original six movies, all the ones with the original cast.

[00:15:19] And after IV I just kind of fell off it.

[00:15:21] I think maybe because I had heard Star Trek V was bad and like never got a, like I was like

[00:15:25] I'm going to watch it eventually but never did.

[00:15:27] And so when Star Trek First Contact came up, it was like okay I got to catch up to First Contact.

[00:15:32] I got to watch all the movies before I get to that because First Contact is the eighth one.

[00:15:36] Yeah you can't go to the eighth movie without knowing what happens.

[00:15:40] Exactly you know and then that's also the thing.

[00:15:42] I am less familiar with the Next Generation cast so I felt that like if I watched the movies at least

[00:15:47] I would like have a better grasp of what was going on in First Contact.

[00:15:51] So that was kind of my thought process.

[00:15:53] And so I watched Star Trek V, it is you know it's not great.

[00:15:57] I do think it's better than some people give it credit for.

[00:15:59] But it's okay, it's the one that William Shatner directed.

[00:16:02] And yeah there are some scenes in there that are just real stupid.

[00:16:06] But there's also some really fun stuff and it's largely about like Captain Kirk confronting God

[00:16:11] in a really fun and interesting way.

[00:16:12] So I, yeah even at their worst these movies get like really like heady and esoteric and all that stuff which I enjoy.

[00:16:19] So I watched Star Trek V it was okay but it was easily the worst of the ones that I watched so far.

[00:16:23] Then I watched Star Trek VI, The Undiscovered Country which is a masterpiece.

[00:16:28] It's a phenomenal film.

[00:16:30] Which is better one or six?

[00:16:32] You know that's the debate that I've been having in my head.

[00:16:35] Okay alright.

[00:16:37] And I got to say I think I'm giving the edge to one.

[00:16:39] Only because I think one is that's that one's the one directed by Robert Wise.

[00:16:43] The director of West Side Story and The Haunting and Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the original I think.

[00:16:49] No he didn't do that one.

[00:16:51] He did a Day of the Earth that's still.

[00:16:53] And yeah a lot of big movies and you know he's a real filmmaker.

[00:16:57] You know and it really feels like they're aping 2001 Space Odyssey and like it's it goes into some really wild weird places that I just found so enthralling.

[00:17:03] But Star Trek VI as the finale to this entire saga with the Enterprise crew with the original cast.

[00:17:10] It's so so good it brings back Nicholas Meyer who is the director of Star Trek II with Rath of Khan which is like the consensus choice for Best Star Trek Movie.

[00:17:18] Although I would say it's the fourth best of the ones that you madman you're absolutely mad man.

[00:17:22] I would say I would go one six four two would be my look like we're trying to keep subscribers right now.

[00:17:29] What do you mean?

[00:17:31] I think we just told people that we need to jettison subscribers over to the other feed actually.

[00:17:36] That's what I mean we're trying to eat as many of these people to come over to the next feed with us and you're like no Rath of Khan is number four the fourth best.

[00:17:44] It's the fourth best it's good it's good but you know I like the one with the whales better what can I say.

[00:17:50] But Star Trek VI rules in the phenomenal finale it's got Christopher Plummer as a Klingon who has an eyepatch and he's spouting Shakespeare the entire time.

[00:17:58] You know what I mean I don't even see it.

[00:18:01] It's incredible and it's such a good sign off for the entire original cast so I really love that and then I watched Star Trek Generations which is the seventh one.

[00:18:09] And so that is the first one with the next generation cast and I have less I've seen next generation like here and there but I've never like really just sat down like I'm going to watch next generation for a while.

[00:18:19] That's never been a thing for me I've always been more of the original Trek watcher if I'm going to watch any Trek and so watch generations and it was kind of meant as a transitional movie into the next generation.

[00:18:28] The generations came out right when next generation ended and so that's also kind of the weird thing to think about.

[00:18:34] It's kind of the weird thing to think about like all the movies with the old Trek cast were like coming out as next generation was on TV like Star Trek IV, five and six next generation was still happening like it was all it was already there.

[00:18:48] And so generations was kind of like you know the studio kind of hedging their bets a little bit because they weren't sure if people would turn out in theaters for the next generation cast.

[00:18:56] But truly it was like next generation ended in May of 94 generations comes out like four months later.

[00:19:03] Like it's that and so it's a movie that's largely the next generation cast but William Shatner is also in its you know it kind of like has Captain Kirk displaced in time and kind of comes back for the finale.

[00:19:16] So the opening like 20 minutes or so or 1520 minutes is Captain Kirk with Scotty and not McCoy check off.

[00:19:22] It's Scotty and check off.

[00:19:23] They're the only ones that come back for the original cast for this one and it's Captain Kirk at like you know he's post retirement.

[00:19:30] He's like kind of there as a PR stunt to like see the enterprise off with a new crew kind of thing and Alan Ruck is the captain of the ship and Sue's daughter is part of the crew which is a kind of a fun detail.

[00:19:41] And I really liked the first 15 minutes of it.

[00:19:43] I was like hey, you know what?

[00:19:44] I'm in.

[00:19:45] I love watching Captain Kirk.

[00:19:46] I'll get to see him do some action and then I'll get to see him interacting with the next generation cast and that will be my transition into it.

[00:19:53] And then he disappears for like an hour and a half and then shows up at the very end of the movie and it's real disappointing and then Kirk dies.

[00:20:00] It's like well, this is a bummer.

[00:20:02] And the movie doesn't really do much to like introduce you to the next generation cast.

[00:20:06] Like they're kind of just there's a time jump.

[00:20:07] It's like 73 years later and now it's just the next generation cast doing their thing.

[00:20:11] And so I got it for the most part.

[00:20:13] I was like, I know who Data is.

[00:20:15] I know who Riker is all that stuff, but it was definitely like I feel less connected to these characters than I do the original series cast.

[00:20:22] So there was that.

[00:20:24] And so that's where I left off and went into Star Trek first contact and first contacts pretty good.

[00:20:29] I really enjoyed it.

[00:20:30] It's a good time.

[00:20:31] I definitely felt more comfortable with the next generation cast in this one and enjoyed all those characters and the way they played off each other.

[00:20:38] And Picard is great nits and all that stuff.

[00:20:41] I did think it was like, you know, it's not nearly as good as some of the best Star Trek movies that I've seen so far.

[00:20:47] But I know this is like the consensus choice for like the best next generation movie.

[00:20:51] And based on what I've seen, I believe it.

[00:20:54] This seems about right.

[00:20:55] From what I know about Insurrection and Nemesis, which is the other two next generation movies, it doesn't seem like it's going to get better than this one.

[00:21:02] Okay. Yeah.

[00:21:03] Yeah.

[00:21:04] Next generation is sort of like my Star Trek a little bit.

[00:21:07] I'm not like super into Star Trek in general, but somebody that I lived with in college was very into next generation and when we lived together, they were, I think all on Netflix, like the whole series.

[00:21:19] Okay. They're all on HBO Max right now.

[00:21:21] Well, this is TV show, not the movies.

[00:21:23] Okay.

[00:21:24] The next generation TV show was just all on Netflix.

[00:21:26] So she was just like, I'm going to watch all of it.

[00:21:28] Like and you know, as happens when somebody in the living room is watching a thing, you're like, well, I'll sit down and then you just kind of watch it.

[00:21:34] So I didn't watch all of it.

[00:21:36] I was not like following along, but I watched a pretty big handful of episodes and stuff and really enjoyed it.

[00:21:42] And then I can't remember one time, I think it was after I had come home, I found out that BBC America, at least at this point, just in the daytime just plays Star Trek next generation.

[00:21:54] Like it would just be on for four hours a day or whatever.

[00:21:56] Yeah.

[00:21:57] Okay.

[00:21:58] We're going to watch some of this again.

[00:21:59] Cool.

[00:22:00] You know, passing familiarity and stuff.

[00:22:02] And then like just pretty into next generation in general.

[00:22:05] So, and I had watched First Contact once before in college.

[00:22:09] So I knew it was good.

[00:22:10] I remember having a lot of fun with it and really liked it.

[00:22:12] So on this rewatch for me, it was just like hell yeah, Fist of Public having so much fun.

[00:22:16] But I forgot the like continuity of it all, like that this is also after the series has ended.

[00:22:22] So I'm like, where's Jordy's visor?

[00:22:23] Why does he have regular eyes?

[00:22:26] What's that about?

[00:22:27] I remember you mentioned, I think in Generations is when data gets the like emotion chip or whatever

[00:22:31] and so like they reference that in this movie and stuff.

[00:22:33] And I was like, oh, that's fun.

[00:22:34] So yeah, I don't know.

[00:22:35] I think this movie feels like a pretty long episode of Star Trek to me.

[00:22:40] And I think some of those best movies are that also, you know, have that feeling to it.

[00:22:44] So I was just like having so much fun when the Borg is attacking at the very beginning

[00:22:48] this whole thing and they're like, we're going to follow them through this temporal tunnel

[00:22:51] or whatever.

[00:22:52] You're just like, fuck yeah, whatever you said it doesn't make sense, but I'm in.

[00:22:55] Like that's so much fun.

[00:22:57] And the Borg, I think is just like one of the coolest ideas of an enemy.

[00:22:59] This is just sort of like cybernetic robot thing that just self-replicate and assimilate everything in the universe into this collective consciousness

[00:23:07] and the idea that you can only ever use like one attack or one weapon or one solution or whatever to stop the Borg in their tracks once

[00:23:16] because as soon as they encounter it, they assimilate it into there or whatever

[00:23:19] and they know how to defend against it.

[00:23:21] And that threat of like how do you ultimately defeat this thing that you have to do it once, right?

[00:23:26] It's this whole thing.

[00:23:27] So it's very fun and it's got this cool ticking clock with the end of the day before humanity makes first contact with an alien race

[00:23:36] and they realize that and it's that whole idea of like they know this from their history textbooks

[00:23:41] and like that whole thing with James Cromwell and stuff and they have to help him achieve faster than light travel

[00:23:47] so that they can make first contact and if they don't the enterprise will stop existing.

[00:23:51] Like that whole thing is so fun.

[00:23:53] So yeah, I had just had a really like it's just a cool action sci-fi adventure romp

[00:23:57] and I love the little details and stuff and in particular James Cromwell just being like,

[00:24:04] I forget his character's actual name but James Cromwell's...

[00:24:07] Zephram Cochran.

[00:24:08] Zephram Cochran.

[00:24:09] How could I forget? They say it so many times in the movie.

[00:24:12] Just being like a alcoholic farmer guy that just like is obsessed with like rockabilly music

[00:24:17] like old school 50s music and stuff in the year 2065.

[00:24:21] So yeah, I'd love this movie and it made me be like, man, I should rewatch that in TNG.

[00:24:26] I should go back and watch some of those.

[00:24:27] You know, I don't know if I want to do like a series rewatch but like,

[00:24:30] I don't know, I'll just find some episodes and watch them because they're fun.

[00:24:32] Yeah, it's funny.

[00:24:33] You're like, I would have been, you know, I was in college around the same time as you

[00:24:36] and your roommate watching Next Generation at that time.

[00:24:39] I watched original series around that time.

[00:24:41] That's, I watched the original Star Trek and that was one of those things where I was watching it

[00:24:45] and I kind of fell off of it fairly quickly but I think I watched like 20-ish episodes or so

[00:24:50] of the original series and it was one of those things where like,

[00:24:53] it's a difficult one to binge because it's not like, it's not really meant for that.

[00:24:56] A lot of it's slow moving.

[00:24:58] Yeah.

[00:24:59] A lot of it is, you know, dated in some ways.

[00:25:01] A lot of it's fun but it is just like,

[00:25:03] you can do like an episode at a time, you know, it's stuff to watch like three or four episodes at once

[00:25:07] kind of start to feel a little bit.

[00:25:09] Yeah.

[00:25:10] I feel like yeah, two to three was like kind of my limit in a go but I don't know,

[00:25:14] there's something about TNG for me that just feels a little more,

[00:25:17] I mean, I guess, you know, it's the late 80s early 90s,

[00:25:19] it feels a little more like alive and fun.

[00:25:21] And I assume they also did like holodeck episodes and stuff on the original series

[00:25:25] that I don't know about.

[00:25:26] I've just never seen those but...

[00:25:27] I think they're mostly an Next Generation thing.

[00:25:29] Oh really?

[00:25:30] Because those are some of my favorite stuff.

[00:25:32] Like when that happens in first contact, obviously you knew what's going on.

[00:25:36] Yeah, I knew that only because...

[00:25:39] So again, I've seen a little bit of Next Generation

[00:25:41] but I knew about the concept of the holodeck from Community and the Dreamatorium.

[00:25:45] Yeah, yeah, yep.

[00:25:46] Which was like directly referenced to the holodeck from Next Generation.

[00:25:49] Yeah, yeah.

[00:25:50] And they would do episodes where it's like, they're gonna go,

[00:25:52] it's a Western and they're gonna have the square off at the end in town

[00:25:56] at high noon and stuff and then it comes back and they're on the Enterprise

[00:26:00] and you're just like, what?

[00:26:01] Like they're just like having a goof.

[00:26:03] I do enjoy that like, whatever they're not in battle,

[00:26:06] it seems like they're just playing pretend in the holodeck.

[00:26:08] Yeah.

[00:26:09] Yeah, I mean like so that episode sequence in first contact

[00:26:13] when they have the board chase them into the holodeck

[00:26:16] and it's that 1920s gangster thing

[00:26:19] and that's what there was arc with those,

[00:26:22] that like Jimmy the nose or whatever his name is.

[00:26:24] Oh really?

[00:26:25] Yeah, where they're like,

[00:26:26] Picard wants to be the detective

[00:26:27] so there's just like a couple episodes or whatever

[00:26:29] where they're just are in a 1920s gangster know our thing

[00:26:32] and so they like have that,

[00:26:33] they're like kind of playing the hits in this movie

[00:26:35] which is pretty fun.

[00:26:36] Nice and that includes bringing back the Borg too

[00:26:39] which you know that's, I wasn't like,

[00:26:41] like I again sort of knew what the Borg was before this movie

[00:26:45] because I was sort of a way,

[00:26:46] like I had heard the name Borg before

[00:26:49] and was able to kind of grasp pretty quickly

[00:26:51] what had happened with the Borg and stuff

[00:26:53] and I think this movie does a pretty good job

[00:26:55] of like even though I hadn't seen the episodes

[00:26:57] where Patrick Stewart gets assimilated into the Borg

[00:26:59] and all that,

[00:27:00] I think it does a pretty good job of like showing you what happened

[00:27:03] and like kind of giving you like much more so than generations

[00:27:06] which just kind of throws you in with the next generation cast.

[00:27:08] This movie was like,

[00:27:09] okay we have to assume that some people have not seen the TV show

[00:27:13] or you know are jumping into this without having seen much of it

[00:27:16] or especially back then when it was like,

[00:27:18] you know, like it was much more episodic.

[00:27:20] It wasn't like totally serialized storytelling

[00:27:22] and you had to assume like people would watch like one of every five episodes

[00:27:26] of a show or whatever it was.

[00:27:28] You know, so I think it did a pretty good job

[00:27:30] of like introducing to me who the Borg were

[00:27:32] and Patrick Stewart's history with the Borg

[00:27:35] which I think is a big part of what makes this movie work.

[00:27:38] Yeah, and I think it's pretty cool

[00:27:39] like the Borg's history in Star Trek is very interesting and stuff

[00:27:43] because I think it's Deep Space Nine with Jerry Ryan.

[00:27:47] Yeah, is Jerry Ryan Seven of Nine or is that...

[00:27:50] She's Seven of Nine who is a Borg I think or part Borg or something

[00:27:54] and it's like the collective Seven of Nine.

[00:27:56] She's on Voyager.

[00:27:58] Yeah, but yeah, it's also weird too

[00:28:01] like just thinking about the history of Star Trek movies

[00:28:04] that they're always after the series ends.

[00:28:07] Like why is there no TNG movies while TNG is on the air?

[00:28:12] They wait till that series ends

[00:28:13] and then they start making movies.

[00:28:15] What is going on?

[00:28:16] They may be what it sort of transitions into a movie series, I guess.

[00:28:20] I guess the TV to movie pipeline.

[00:28:22] I mean, I guess the reason why that didn't happen

[00:28:24] is because they were still making movies with the original cast.

[00:28:26] But yeah, I mean, that's fair.

[00:28:28] I guess if you got them, you're not going to not use them.

[00:28:30] Right? If they're on board to make six movies,

[00:28:32] you're going to make six movies with them.

[00:28:34] And they were like proven successes.

[00:28:35] Like they were proven box office,

[00:28:37] never like runaway hits, but like good enough kind of thing.

[00:28:40] And plus we got Star Trek 6, the undiscovered country

[00:28:42] out of it, Mike, which is the best movie ever made.

[00:28:44] So, you know, there is that.

[00:28:47] So what I want to ask you is, did you have any,

[00:28:49] any like pop culture awareness of first contact?

[00:28:53] Like any stuff that you're like, oh, that's from this

[00:28:56] or anything like that?

[00:28:57] Not really. No.

[00:28:58] I mean, you know, a pop culture awareness of next generation

[00:29:00] in general.

[00:29:01] Right.

[00:29:02] But yeah, not really from first contact.

[00:29:04] You know, I feel like I had a lot of pop culture awareness

[00:29:07] for certain other Star Trek movies.

[00:29:09] Like Star Trek 2, you know, there's a million scenes

[00:29:11] in that movie where you're like, oh yes, you know,

[00:29:13] all that's, you know, old Klingon proverb and all that stuff.

[00:29:17] Like it's all there in Star Trek 2.

[00:29:19] And I knew that like Star Trek 4 was the one about the whales

[00:29:21] and all that.

[00:29:22] But kind of first contact, I knew it was next generation movie.

[00:29:25] That's pretty much it.

[00:29:26] Okay.

[00:29:27] I had nothing going into this.

[00:29:29] I did not know that a,

[00:29:31] the movie almost entirely takes place in Montana.

[00:29:33] That's what I was going to ask you.

[00:29:37] Which was a fun discovery for me.

[00:29:39] I was like, I was sitting in my house in Montana

[00:29:41] and like did the Leo point to the screen and be like,

[00:29:43] that's where I am.

[00:29:45] That's me.

[00:29:46] That's here.

[00:29:47] They're talking about here.

[00:29:48] Yeah.

[00:29:49] So that was fun.

[00:29:50] And yeah, I love all that.

[00:29:51] I think the stuff with James Cromwell

[00:29:53] is the best stuff in the movie.

[00:29:54] Like I think every,

[00:29:55] like all the kind of time displaced stuff

[00:29:57] that, you know, sort of plays into comedy,

[00:29:59] but also him like kind of reckoning with the idea

[00:30:01] that he's going to be the most important person

[00:30:03] in history.

[00:30:04] Yeah.

[00:30:05] Just doesn't want any other responsibility.

[00:30:07] Yeah.

[00:30:08] It's really great and really fun.

[00:30:10] And I love that the crew is just like totally giddy

[00:30:13] to be around him.

[00:30:14] They're like, they kind of had this like kind of hero worship

[00:30:17] of like sort of thing going on.

[00:30:19] And I think it's Riker and maybe data.

[00:30:21] Like it's Riker and somebody else.

[00:30:23] Jordan, I think LaForge.

[00:30:25] Oh, okay.

[00:30:26] LaVar Burton's character.

[00:30:27] LaVar Burton.

[00:30:28] Yeah.

[00:30:29] Okay.

[00:30:30] Yeah.

[00:30:31] They're just like hanging out in the ship.

[00:30:32] Like when he does the takeoff, you know,

[00:30:33] because it's like,

[00:30:34] I just want to be here to witness this.

[00:30:35] This is pretty cool.

[00:30:36] I don't think we talk about this enough.

[00:30:37] Maybe people talked about this a lot when next generation

[00:30:39] was on TV or next generation fans talk about this.

[00:30:42] Riker is hot, man.

[00:30:43] He's hot as fuck.

[00:30:44] Especially in generations.

[00:30:46] In first contact he's hot too.

[00:30:47] But like as soon as he walked out the screen,

[00:30:49] it's like, holy shit.

[00:30:50] Yeah.

[00:30:51] No, he, Riker is number one who fucks for sure.

[00:30:54] Right.

[00:30:55] Well, in this movie, data fucks.

[00:30:56] We should mention that too.

[00:30:57] Yeah.

[00:30:58] I forgot.

[00:30:59] I mean, it's so the before we get to data fucking,

[00:31:02] just everybody's so hot in the show,

[00:31:04] everybody in the movie, everybody.

[00:31:06] It's so fun.

[00:31:07] Yeah.

[00:31:08] You know, it was real,

[00:31:09] watching Patrick Stewart and you know,

[00:31:11] having known Patrick Stewart my entire life

[00:31:13] and like, but mostly knowing him for the X-Men movies

[00:31:15] where he's like, you know,

[00:31:16] in a wheelchair, he's the,

[00:31:17] like in feeble professor Xavier.

[00:31:20] Yeah.

[00:31:21] Prim and proper.

[00:31:22] Yeah.

[00:31:23] To see Patrick Stewart and a wife beater

[00:31:24] in this movie was quite a trip, man.

[00:31:26] Yeah.

[00:31:27] Just beating the shit out of some borgs

[00:31:29] and like smashing tables

[00:31:31] when he has that Captain A Habov interior.

[00:31:33] It's just like all of that.

[00:31:35] Yeah.

[00:31:36] Beverly Crusher, Maria Sertis is like,

[00:31:38] they're all just so everybody's so hot in this movie.

[00:31:40] It's crazy.

[00:31:41] Yeah.

[00:31:42] So that's a fun aspect of it too.

[00:31:44] And then you also got Alfred Woodard

[00:31:45] in this movie too who has like sort of a,

[00:31:47] it's not like, you know,

[00:31:48] there's a flirtatious relationship

[00:31:50] with her and Patrick Stewart.

[00:31:52] Yeah.

[00:31:53] Which is fun.

[00:31:54] They never like do anything with that.

[00:31:55] That would probably break the time stream or something.

[00:31:56] But,

[00:31:57] Well, it's so funny too.

[00:31:58] Like also they keep mentioning like the Prime Directive,

[00:32:01] right?

[00:32:02] Like they're so clearly violated.

[00:32:03] Like they are building the Warp Drive 4

[00:32:05] from Cochrane so he can,

[00:32:07] Yes.

[00:32:08] And it's like a whole fun time loop thing

[00:32:09] that like they have to do that

[00:32:11] so that they exist in the future.

[00:32:13] Right.

[00:32:14] Which is fun.

[00:32:15] And then yeah,

[00:32:16] also Neil McDonough's in this movie

[00:32:18] in a small role or he gets a,

[00:32:20] he's like pretty prominent throughout

[00:32:22] like the first like act of the movie

[00:32:24] and then he gets assimilated by the Borg

[00:32:26] and there's the real like great cold-blooded moment

[00:32:27] where Picard shoots him.

[00:32:28] Yeah.

[00:32:29] Which is pretty cool.

[00:32:30] Doug Dennerle.

[00:32:31] Yeah.

[00:32:32] And it's funny because I also couldn't really remember

[00:32:34] the like timeline of the series and stuff.

[00:32:36] So I was like, is this a prequel?

[00:32:38] Like I couldn't really remember.

[00:32:39] Okay.

[00:32:40] And then like, you know,

[00:32:41] like they like save Warf at the beginning

[00:32:43] of the fight with the Borg and stuff.

[00:32:46] And I was like, is this how they find Warf?

[00:32:48] Like is this how he becomes a member of the crew?

[00:32:50] But it's like, oh no, this is all afterward.

[00:32:52] Like it's all, the show is over already.

[00:32:54] Yeah.

[00:32:55] So that's fun.

[00:32:56] Because I think,

[00:32:57] I don't think Neil McDonough is in the show.

[00:32:58] I don't remember him unless he's in at the end of the show.

[00:33:01] I think he just like pops up in this movie

[00:33:03] because he's not in Generations.

[00:33:04] Okay.

[00:33:05] So yeah.

[00:33:06] And I think he's like,

[00:33:07] I think he's wearing a red shirt.

[00:33:08] I think he's like, you know,

[00:33:09] meant to be this movie's red shirt, right?

[00:33:11] So yeah, there's that.

[00:33:12] Also, I do also want to mention Michael Dorn

[00:33:14] who plays Warf is also in Star Trek 6,

[00:33:16] the undiscovered country playing,

[00:33:18] I believe Warf's grandfather.

[00:33:19] No way.

[00:33:20] He is Kirk's lawyer in the Klingon trial scene

[00:33:23] and it rules.

[00:33:24] That's awesome.

[00:33:26] But let's not forget that data fucks.

[00:33:29] Let's go back to that.

[00:33:30] Yeah, data fucks in this movie, man.

[00:33:32] It's great.

[00:33:33] Really, really enjoyed it.

[00:33:34] It's so crazy.

[00:33:35] Yeah.

[00:33:36] Data gets captured by the Borg

[00:33:38] and there's the Borg Queen played by Alice Krieg

[00:33:40] who was she was like the evil witch

[00:33:43] and Gretel and Hansel,

[00:33:44] the Osgoode Perkins movie a couple of years ago.

[00:33:46] But she's great in this movie.

[00:33:48] She's really fun.

[00:33:49] And yeah, she's like,

[00:33:51] you know, sort of seducing data

[00:33:53] and data has this like moment of weakness

[00:33:56] which he later describes as like,

[00:33:57] oh, it was like 0.08 seconds or whatever.

[00:33:59] He was never actually going to betray the crew.

[00:34:03] But yeah, data like mentions like,

[00:34:05] you know, they talk about seduction

[00:34:07] and he's like, oh, well, of course I'm programmed

[00:34:09] with all the seduction techniques

[00:34:10] and you know, like all that stuff,

[00:34:12] but it has been a long time since he's had to use it.

[00:34:14] And yeah, data fucks in this movie.

[00:34:16] I love it's so funny to you that step moment

[00:34:19] where she asked like how long has it been

[00:34:21] since you've used all these techniques.

[00:34:23] And he's like, well, quite some time.

[00:34:24] And then there's a beat and then he says precisely

[00:34:26] down to the second.

[00:34:28] It's like it works in a like, yeah,

[00:34:30] he's a robot to like, of course,

[00:34:32] but like also he's counting.

[00:34:34] Yeah, like it's so funny.

[00:34:37] And the idea that like she,

[00:34:39] the board queen like graphs

[00:34:41] like a living human tissue onto him

[00:34:43] and gives him goosebumps.

[00:34:44] And he's just like, oh, like it's,

[00:34:46] it's so crazy.

[00:34:47] His ultimate dream to like have to be human

[00:34:50] to have emotions or whatever, you know?

[00:34:51] Right.

[00:34:52] And so that's something that I assume is part of the TV show,

[00:34:54] right?

[00:34:55] That he's like, he wants to be human or he...

[00:34:57] I think that's part of the, yeah.

[00:34:59] I think that's sort of like his whole underlying thing.

[00:35:02] Okay.

[00:35:03] Cause generations gives him like an emotion chip.

[00:35:05] Like he can feel emotions now,

[00:35:07] which does result in a great moment,

[00:35:09] which I did know from just memes

[00:35:12] where he is like,

[00:35:14] he's at a bar or something and he like has a drink.

[00:35:18] And it's like, oh, that is disgusting.

[00:35:20] And so he's like more, please.

[00:35:22] Yeah.

[00:35:23] So there was that, which was fun.

[00:35:25] But yeah, data fucks in this movie.

[00:35:27] It's a great time.

[00:35:28] That's fun.

[00:35:29] What else?

[00:35:30] Yeah.

[00:35:31] They say Star Trek in the movie.

[00:35:33] We should mention that they say something along the lines

[00:35:35] like I can't believe you got,

[00:35:36] you space men are on some kind of Star Trek.

[00:35:38] Yeah.

[00:35:39] Something along those lines, which is great.

[00:35:41] I love that.

[00:35:42] Hilarious.

[00:35:43] I love the scene when they're on earth

[00:35:45] right after they've, the Borg are like,

[00:35:47] but the Borg, when they come back in time

[00:35:49] to this moment, they like air strike

[00:35:52] the Cochran ship or whatever.

[00:35:54] They're trying to just stop him

[00:35:55] from ever achieving warp speed

[00:35:57] so that they don't have first contact.

[00:35:59] But they don't know if he died.

[00:36:00] Like when the Enterprise,

[00:36:01] the crew, they come to find them

[00:36:03] and he's missing and all this stuff.

[00:36:04] And then it's Riker and

[00:36:07] oh man, it's Marina Sertis.

[00:36:09] The actress is his name.

[00:36:10] I can't remember her character,

[00:36:11] but she's found Cochran

[00:36:13] in a bar and she's like having to drink with him

[00:36:17] to convince him.

[00:36:18] Like it's this whole thing

[00:36:19] and she's like never been drunk before.

[00:36:21] She's like, oh, I'm not shots of something called tequila.

[00:36:24] And she like can't stand up straight

[00:36:26] and he's just blaring rockabilly music

[00:36:28] on the jukebox and stuff.

[00:36:29] Yes.

[00:36:30] Very funny.

[00:36:31] Yeah, that's fun.

[00:36:32] Yeah, I also wanted to mention

[00:36:33] this movie is directed by Jonathan Frakes

[00:36:34] who plays Riker.

[00:36:35] Yes.

[00:36:36] Which you know,

[00:36:37] it's sort of in keeping with the Star Trek tradition,

[00:36:38] Leonard Nimoy directed two movies,

[00:36:40] William Shatner directed a movie.

[00:36:41] Jonathan Frakes directed two movies.

[00:36:43] He directed this one and he directed Insurrection,

[00:36:45] which is the next one.

[00:36:47] And Jonathan, he's also, I think,

[00:36:49] directed like a lot of episodes of the show

[00:36:50] and has directed other Star Trek episodes

[00:36:53] like Beyond That.

[00:36:54] Like I know he directed Deep Space Nine

[00:36:55] and I think he directed some Picard episodes

[00:36:57] and all that stuff.

[00:36:58] So he's, I mean,

[00:36:59] I think he mostly directs now

[00:37:00] and is mostly like a TV director.

[00:37:02] But yeah, I did want to mention

[00:37:04] so Jonathan Frakes directs.

[00:37:05] I think he does a very good job directing.

[00:37:06] It looks great.

[00:37:07] But he was not the original choice to direct Mike.

[00:37:09] Yeah. Apparently, if you look at the Wikipedia page,

[00:37:12] like at the beginning of the page,

[00:37:14] it says two high profile directors turned down

[00:37:16] the chance to direct Star Trek First Contact.

[00:37:18] And then if you dig a little deeper,

[00:37:19] it tells you who those directors are.

[00:37:21] Who is it?

[00:37:22] Ridley Scott was one of them

[00:37:24] and John McTiernan was also one of them.

[00:37:26] Which yeah, both would have been wilds.

[00:37:29] Like either one of those would have been crazy

[00:37:31] to see their Star Trek movie.

[00:37:33] But I think ultimately,

[00:37:34] and they both turned it down,

[00:37:35] but I think the studio

[00:37:36] and the writers of the movie,

[00:37:38] I think the writers from what I was seeing

[00:37:40] where they were all very aware

[00:37:42] that Generations was not that well received

[00:37:44] and like if they were going to make

[00:37:46] the next generation cast work on screen,

[00:37:48] it had to be with this movie

[00:37:50] or else there wasn't going to be more next generation movies.

[00:37:52] Right.

[00:37:53] You know?

[00:37:54] And so they kind of were like,

[00:37:55] we need somebody who really knows Star Trek

[00:37:57] and Jonathan Frakes was the guy.

[00:37:59] He's in Star Trek.

[00:38:00] He's right there.

[00:38:01] Yeah.

[00:38:02] And so that kind of became the thing.

[00:38:03] I thought that was kind of a cool detail.

[00:38:04] They're like, oh man,

[00:38:05] Ridley Scott could have directed this movie.

[00:38:06] John McTiernan could have directed this movie.

[00:38:08] That's crazy.

[00:38:09] I mean, I can't help but think of that one

[00:38:12] like video that's Jonathan Frakes saying no

[00:38:14] for eight minutes or whatever.

[00:38:16] Right. Yeah.

[00:38:17] From that whatever like unsolved mystery show

[00:38:18] he was the host of.

[00:38:20] Very fun.

[00:38:21] Yes, absolutely.

[00:38:22] Also James Cromwell,

[00:38:23] I think the writers wanted him for this movie

[00:38:25] and he got the part,

[00:38:26] but the studio,

[00:38:27] they wanted Tom Hanks.

[00:38:28] Tom Hanks was their pick

[00:38:30] for Zephyr and Cochran in this movie.

[00:38:32] And I guess Tom Hanks was like a big fan of Star Trek.

[00:38:34] So they were like, you know, we can get him.

[00:38:36] I think we can like get him in this movie.

[00:38:38] But yeah, Jonathan Frakes was like,

[00:38:40] yeah, Hanks is too well known for that.

[00:38:42] We needed somebody to look more of a character actor

[00:38:45] for that part.

[00:38:46] And James Cromwell foot the bill.

[00:38:47] He's great.

[00:38:48] He's the farmer from Babe.

[00:38:49] Love him.

[00:38:50] Yeah.

[00:38:51] Yeah.

[00:38:52] And he's so funny in this too,

[00:38:53] like we were saying that this whole alcoholic farmer thing

[00:38:54] he's got going

[00:38:55] and how he doesn't want to be famous

[00:38:57] and the weight of that

[00:38:59] being the most important human that's ever lived.

[00:39:01] Yeah.

[00:39:02] And like you're about to usher in.

[00:39:03] I love the idea of the, you know,

[00:39:05] they talk about being like in a post

[00:39:08] post currency, post money world, right?

[00:39:11] That's the whole like Star Trek utopian fantasy thing.

[00:39:13] Yeah.

[00:39:14] A real fantasy.

[00:39:15] A real fantasy.

[00:39:16] And they tell him that, that like, you know,

[00:39:17] you achieving this flight usher's in an era of peace

[00:39:20] and it'll solve poverty and hunger

[00:39:22] and war and conflict

[00:39:23] and humanity will go to the stars.

[00:39:25] Right.

[00:39:26] And he's like, he like,

[00:39:27] that's what the conflict, the shame is that he admits

[00:39:30] like he built this whole thing

[00:39:31] because somebody was going to pay him a lot of money

[00:39:34] to buy this technology if it works

[00:39:36] and that's all that matters.

[00:39:37] I wanted to retire on a private island

[00:39:39] with beautiful women was basically what he wanted to do with this.

[00:39:42] Fascinating.

[00:39:43] Yeah.

[00:39:44] So yeah, I love James Cromwell in this movie

[00:39:46] and then also Patrick Stewart great in this movie.

[00:39:48] Like really, really phenomenal.

[00:39:50] And I think does a really good job of like, you know,

[00:39:52] again, I don't have a lot of the background

[00:39:54] of his relationship with the Borg

[00:39:56] but I feel it in his performance in this movie

[00:39:58] where you can really tell he's like,

[00:40:00] you know, this is a personal matter for him

[00:40:02] to the degree where it ultimately ends up being compared

[00:40:04] to Captain Ahab looking for Moby Dick.

[00:40:06] And yeah, I found that to be a pretty fascinating,

[00:40:10] you know, I think it's one of those things

[00:40:12] where it seems like an obvious comparison

[00:40:14] like in retrospect, but like when it happens,

[00:40:16] you're like, ah, yes, I see.

[00:40:18] I see.

[00:40:19] Yeah.

[00:40:20] I see what's going on here.

[00:40:22] Yeah, I love that whole thing

[00:40:24] and he doesn't even realize it

[00:40:25] and that's like also like Picard's whole like shtick

[00:40:29] that he, I mean, I guess also Kirk too, right?

[00:40:32] Like that, like he's a, he knows all the classics

[00:40:34] and he's Shakespeare and like all that stuff too.

[00:40:37] So for him to like not make that connection himself

[00:40:39] is pretty fun.

[00:40:40] And yeah, he's just got it.

[00:40:41] He's chasing the Borg man.

[00:40:42] They gave him trauma PTSD.

[00:40:44] Yeah.

[00:40:45] He has that nightmare dream at the beginning

[00:40:47] of him being Lecutis or whatever again

[00:40:49] when he was his Borg self.

[00:40:51] Right.

[00:40:52] And he's not going to let it happen anymore

[00:40:54] and even saves data because he knows

[00:40:56] what a terrible fate this will be if he looks data.

[00:40:58] Yeah.

[00:40:59] He saves data, saves the enterprise, saves the crew

[00:41:01] and yeah.

[00:41:02] And he is like more of an action hero in this movie

[00:41:04] which is also pretty fun to see.

[00:41:06] I feel like, you know, my perception of Picard,

[00:41:09] again having a minimal, you know,

[00:41:11] having seen next generation a little bit,

[00:41:12] I was like, oh yeah, he's like the intellectual.

[00:41:14] Kirk is the, you know, the brash action hero guy

[00:41:17] and Picard is the intellectual.

[00:41:19] He likes to hang out in the holodeck

[00:41:20] and read Shakespeare or whatever.

[00:41:21] But self crimes.

[00:41:23] But in this one, he's gunning down Borgs here

[00:41:26] like, you know, in the hallway and all that.

[00:41:28] I mean, literally gunning them down with a Tommy gun

[00:41:30] in the holodeck, which is great.

[00:41:32] So fun.

[00:41:34] So yeah, I love that for him.

[00:41:36] That was great.

[00:41:37] Yeah.

[00:41:38] Any other random scenes in Star Trek First Contact

[00:41:39] do you want to talk about, Mike?

[00:41:40] Any other stuff that we should bring up?

[00:41:42] No, I think specifically that one scene,

[00:41:45] it's when they've done the launch,

[00:41:48] they're in space and the enterprise

[00:41:52] which at this point has been assimilated, right?

[00:41:55] They don't know the,

[00:41:56] or actually this is actually when the board queen

[00:41:58] tells data to like shoot Cochran out of the sky

[00:42:02] basically before they go to warp.

[00:42:04] And there's a moment it's like,

[00:42:05] this is like the gift from this movie

[00:42:07] where James Cromwell turns and looks out the window

[00:42:09] and sees the enterprise and he goes,

[00:42:11] sweet Jesus.

[00:42:12] And he just like has this crazy boat.

[00:42:14] Like it's the most insane take.

[00:42:16] And it's like, this is the one that we're using.

[00:42:19] Very fun.

[00:42:20] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:42:21] So I am like, you know,

[00:42:23] I'm probably going to watch Star Trek Insurrection

[00:42:25] and Star Trek Nemesis now.

[00:42:27] I hope too soon just to complete the series.

[00:42:29] Just to say you did it.

[00:42:30] Just say I did it.

[00:42:31] Once I do those, I'll have seen every Star Trek movie.

[00:42:33] You know?

[00:42:34] And so I got to do it, but I've heard they're bad.

[00:42:37] Have you seen Insurrection or Nemesis, Mike?

[00:42:39] No, I don't think so.

[00:42:40] I don't think I've ever seen them.

[00:42:41] Okay.

[00:42:42] I know Tom Hardy's in one of them.

[00:42:43] I think he's in Nemesis.

[00:42:44] That's cool.

[00:42:45] So that's something.

[00:42:46] And yeah, I know Jonathan Frakes directed the next one.

[00:42:48] So it can't be that bad based on first contact, right?

[00:42:51] Right?

[00:42:52] Maybe.

[00:42:53] It's got to be good.

[00:42:54] So we'll see what happens.

[00:42:56] But yeah, I want to watch those.

[00:42:58] And then I also kind of want to rewatch the Abrams trilogy,

[00:43:01] the reboot trilogy.

[00:43:02] Because I haven't watched any of those since Star Trek Beyond came out.

[00:43:05] And yeah, I really loved Star Trek 09 when it came out.

[00:43:08] I saw it in theaters like two or three times

[00:43:10] and watched it a couple of times since.

[00:43:12] And beyond, I think I watched it one time,

[00:43:14] but really liked it.

[00:43:15] It's really just Star Trek in the darkness that tanks the whole thing.

[00:43:18] It's that Rise of Skywalker of that Star Trek trilogy.

[00:43:21] It's just the one that like,

[00:43:22] oh, I look back on the whole trilogy less fondly

[00:43:25] because of this one bad movie.

[00:43:28] Yeah, I recently thought about...

[00:43:29] That's the Abrams special that we can get.

[00:43:31] That's the Abrams special for sure.

[00:43:33] I recently thought about going back

[00:43:35] and rewatching Rise of Skywalker just to...

[00:43:38] Because I only saw it, I think, the one time in theaters.

[00:43:40] And it was just like, nah.

[00:43:42] It's like why am I gonna do that to myself?

[00:43:44] I've seen Rise of Skywalker twice.

[00:43:45] I saw it the one time in theaters.

[00:43:47] And that was the first time since they've been making

[00:43:49] new Star Wars movies that I didn't see a Star Wars movie

[00:43:50] twice in theaters.

[00:43:51] Wow.

[00:43:52] I saw it the one time in theaters was severely disappointed.

[00:43:55] We did our episode about it.

[00:43:57] And you guys like sort of talked about enough stuff

[00:44:00] that you liked in it where I was like,

[00:44:01] maybe there's something pretty good here.

[00:44:03] And then I watched it again like a month later,

[00:44:05] like I got the Blu-ray and watched it at home.

[00:44:07] And I was like, no, this is worse.

[00:44:09] This is actively the worst Star Wars movie.

[00:44:12] This sucks.

[00:44:14] Which is a real shame.

[00:44:16] And it's a shame how like, you know,

[00:44:17] I liked Force Awakens when it came out.

[00:44:19] And I still like Force Awakens.

[00:44:20] I think it's a pretty good movie.

[00:44:21] And I love Last Jedi.

[00:44:22] I think Last Jedi is great.

[00:44:23] But it is a weird thing where like,

[00:44:25] because Rise of Skywalker shit the bed so badly.

[00:44:28] Yeah.

[00:44:29] Like in retro, that entire trilogy feels like tainted

[00:44:31] in some way.

[00:44:32] Like if it had even just been okay,

[00:44:34] I think everybody would look upon those movies

[00:44:37] a lot better, you know?

[00:44:38] Yeah.

[00:44:39] But somehow the dead speaker,

[00:44:40] whatever that first line is.

[00:44:43] Somehow Palpatine has risen, right?

[00:44:46] Or something in fact.

[00:44:47] Yeah. Well, you got both.

[00:44:48] I mean the opening crawl starts with the dead speak.

[00:44:50] And then, you know, minutes later,

[00:44:53] Poe Dameron, Oscar Isaac comes out and it says,

[00:44:55] somehow Palpatine returns.

[00:44:57] And we're all just like, all right, I guess.

[00:44:59] Sure.

[00:45:00] I guess Palpatine's back.

[00:45:02] I think honestly my main issue with that movie,

[00:45:04] we're talking, we're getting off to topic,

[00:45:05] I guess a little bit, but it's all,

[00:45:07] Abrams made two movies in both of them.

[00:45:09] So it counts.

[00:45:10] My main issue with that movie is that it weirdly felt

[00:45:13] the need to be a finale to all of Star Wars.

[00:45:16] Right.

[00:45:17] You know?

[00:45:18] Like it only had to be the finale to the sequel trilogy.

[00:45:21] It only had to be the finale to Seven, Eight and Nine.

[00:45:23] But for some reason they felt the pressure to be

[00:45:25] the finale to all nine movies.

[00:45:27] And I think completely buckled under that pressure.

[00:45:29] Yes.

[00:45:30] Totally caved to the backlash of Lash at Eye.

[00:45:34] Which ends.

[00:45:35] I mean that too.

[00:45:36] Yeah.

[00:45:37] Ends on such a hopeful anyone can be,

[00:45:38] we don't have to get into it.

[00:45:39] I'm sorry.

[00:45:40] We don't need it.

[00:45:41] But that kid picking up the broom with the force

[00:45:42] is the coolest shit that's ever happened in Star Wars

[00:45:44] and then they ruined it.

[00:45:45] Yeah.

[00:45:46] I mean, well, the coolest shit that happens in Star Wars

[00:45:48] happens about an hour before where the light speed

[00:45:50] thing happens through the show.

[00:45:51] Oh, okay.

[00:45:52] I forgot about that.

[00:45:53] That's the best thing ever.

[00:45:54] But I do think that the ending of Last Jedi

[00:45:57] is open-ended enough where it almost feels like

[00:46:00] you have enough closure with just those two movies.

[00:46:02] Forza Wiggins and Last Jedi.

[00:46:03] Yeah.

[00:46:04] Like you don't need, right?

[00:46:05] The Skywalker.

[00:46:06] You can just be like, oh yes, the battle rages on.

[00:46:09] And more and more will join the fight

[00:46:11] and that's a good place to end it.

[00:46:13] Yeah.

[00:46:15] Yeah.

[00:46:16] And similarly, first contact ends with them

[00:46:20] returning to the 24th century.

[00:46:22] Yes.

[00:46:23] They make it back.

[00:46:24] They make it back.

[00:46:25] They create their own existence.

[00:46:26] Yes.

[00:46:27] In case you were in doubt,

[00:46:28] the good guys win at the end of Star Trek

[00:46:30] first contact and they make it back to their own time,

[00:46:32] which is great.

[00:46:33] I think the time travel stuff in Star Trek

[00:46:35] is often my favorite stuff.

[00:46:36] Looking back at some of these movies,

[00:46:38] I mean Star Trek IV The Voyage Home rules,

[00:46:40] it's fantastic.

[00:46:41] That is the one with the whales.

[00:46:43] Yes.

[00:46:44] Where they travel back in time to the 1980s

[00:46:46] to save humpback whales and it's a great time.

[00:46:50] It's so funny.

[00:46:51] I don't know.

[00:46:52] I wonder how much they did time travel stuff

[00:46:53] on the original series like on the TV show.

[00:46:55] Yeah.

[00:46:56] But it's so funny to see just how casually

[00:47:00] they have time travel now.

[00:47:02] It's never a big deal.

[00:47:04] There's something they can just easily do.

[00:47:06] Yeah, they're just like,

[00:47:07] oh, at the beginning of this movie,

[00:47:09] they're like, oh, the Borg have, like I said,

[00:47:11] opened a temporal tunnel or whatever

[00:47:13] and Worf is just like, ah, time travel.

[00:47:15] They're like, what?

[00:47:16] Nobody flinches at all.

[00:47:18] Yeah.

[00:47:19] It just goes back 300 years.

[00:47:21] It's so easy to do and it makes you wonder

[00:47:23] what are they even the holodeck for?

[00:47:25] If they can just time travel back to any period.

[00:47:27] Yeah.

[00:47:28] Oh, it's so funny.

[00:47:30] And then thinking about Michelle Yeo

[00:47:32] in Discovery, like that they kill her

[00:47:34] in that two-part pilot and stuff

[00:47:36] and then they do some time Uimee shit

[00:47:38] to bring her back.

[00:47:39] But now she's like the emperor of Earth or whatever

[00:47:41] and it's like, that's so fun

[00:47:43] that Star Trek can just be like, ah, who gives a shit?

[00:47:46] They're from 200 years ago or whatever.

[00:47:49] Yeah, I think that Michelle Yeo Kay,

[00:47:50] she's from like a parallel universe or something

[00:47:52] where she didn't die or something like that

[00:47:54] and then comes into ours.

[00:47:56] And that will follow up on that.

[00:47:58] In Star Trek section 31, the TV movie

[00:48:01] that'll be based on Michelle Yeo's character.

[00:48:03] So got to catch up on Star Trek Discovery

[00:48:05] to see what's going on there.

[00:48:07] Got a lot to watch.

[00:48:08] Yeah, I do like, you know,

[00:48:10] there are so many Star Trek shows going on right now

[00:48:12] and Star Trek Discovery I think is ending

[00:48:14] or has ended or something like that.

[00:48:16] It's in like the final season.

[00:48:17] I don't even know.

[00:48:18] Yeah, I think so because then there's also

[00:48:20] oh man, I can't remember the name.

[00:48:22] There's another space station one I think.

[00:48:24] There's, well there's Lower Decks

[00:48:26] which is the cartoon show.

[00:48:27] That's the cartoon.

[00:48:28] There's Discovery

[00:48:29] and then there's also Star Trek Strange New Worlds.

[00:48:31] That's what I'm thinking of, Strange New Worlds.

[00:48:33] Which I believe is a prequel to Discovery

[00:48:35] or it features Captain Pike

[00:48:37] and it's like mostly the original series cast

[00:48:39] but like the original series characters.

[00:48:41] So it's like, it's a hurrah, it's spock,

[00:48:43] it's all that kind of stuff.

[00:48:45] But I guess it must be prequel to Discovery

[00:48:47] because Discovery is later right?

[00:48:49] Or maybe actually Discovery might be the prequel.

[00:48:51] I think Discovery is a prequel

[00:48:52] because that opening pilot, two-part pilot

[00:48:54] is when the Romulans I think

[00:48:55] or the Klingons reawaken, right?

[00:48:57] Something like that, yeah.

[00:48:58] I don't remember.

[00:48:59] Which is what makes Star Trek 6 so cool?

[00:49:01] Is that it's about the Klingons

[00:49:05] sort of coming into the fold of the Federation.

[00:49:07] Like they are genuinely looking for peace.

[00:49:11] They're trying to end their wartime ways

[00:49:14] and that's like controversial among the Klingon people

[00:49:16] but in order for their survival they have to do it

[00:49:18] and so the Enterprise is tasked

[00:49:20] with escorting the Klingon Ambassador

[00:49:22] or like the leader of the Klingons

[00:49:24] to Earth so they can sign the peace treaty

[00:49:26] and all that kind of stuff.

[00:49:27] But while they're doing that, the Klingon leader is killed

[00:49:29] and Kirk and McCoy are framed for it.

[00:49:31] No.

[00:49:32] Not my voice.

[00:49:34] It's such a good premise for it

[00:49:35] and then there's the great trial in the Klingon area

[00:49:38] where Kirk and McCoy are thrown into a Klingon prison

[00:49:41] and they have to escape

[00:49:42] and Spock meanwhile has to figure out

[00:49:44] who framed Kirk and McCoy.

[00:49:45] It's fantastic.

[00:49:46] Wow.

[00:49:47] So, so good.

[00:49:48] Star Trek 6.

[00:49:49] I mean first contact was great

[00:49:51] but Star Trek 6 man out of this world

[00:49:53] better than Star Trek 2.

[00:49:54] I think you're full on approaching Star Trek guy levels.

[00:49:58] I think you're getting there.

[00:49:59] I think I'm getting there.

[00:50:00] I think once I start regularly watching one of the shows

[00:50:02] I think I'll fully be there

[00:50:04] and so like I said, when we talked about Star Trek Discovery

[00:50:06] on the Michelle Yeopod

[00:50:07] part of me was like maybe I should keep watching this.

[00:50:09] It seems like it'd be a fun show to keep watching.

[00:50:11] Never did.

[00:50:12] I watched that pilot episode and never continued

[00:50:14] and from what I've heard

[00:50:16] it's not a super well liked show among Star Trek fans

[00:50:18] but I have heard that Star Trek Strange New Worlds is great.

[00:50:21] I've heard really good things about that show

[00:50:23] and how inventive it is.

[00:50:24] I know there's a musical episode at one point

[00:50:26] and so yeah, that's the one where I'm like

[00:50:28] if I'm gonna get into a Star Trek show

[00:50:30] that's probably the one I'm gonna check out.

[00:50:32] So yeah, I don't know.

[00:50:33] There you go.

[00:50:34] While you're in between chapters of Dune

[00:50:36] you could watch an episode of Strange New World.

[00:50:38] Yes, as I've said

[00:50:39] I'm becoming a Dune guy

[00:50:40] and becoming a Star Trek guy.

[00:50:41] That's my goal.

[00:50:43] Now that you're in your 30s

[00:50:45] you've earned your right.

[00:50:46] Yes, exactly.

[00:50:47] It's less embarrassing now.

[00:50:48] I don't have to care about what people think.

[00:50:50] Yes.

[00:50:52] But yeah, also I wanted to mention real quick

[00:50:54] one scene in Star Trek First Contact that I really liked

[00:50:56] is there's the scene where

[00:50:59] Picard and Worf sort of have a standoff

[00:51:01] or they have like an argument

[00:51:03] and like you know Picard is like

[00:51:05] threatening the safety of the Enterprise

[00:51:07] in order to get the Borg

[00:51:08] and Worf is telling him not to do that

[00:51:09] and Picard snaps at him

[00:51:10] and insults him in some way

[00:51:12] and then a few minutes later

[00:51:14] he comes back to the ship

[00:51:15] and apologizes to Worf

[00:51:16] and I think it's a really touching scene.

[00:51:17] Yeah, I think that's...

[00:51:19] Yeah, I think is that when he orders everybody

[00:51:21] to abandon the Enterprise

[00:51:23] and he's going to blow it

[00:51:24] like self-destruct the ship or something right

[00:51:26] and Worf is like no.

[00:51:27] And yeah, they have a little bit of a fight.

[00:51:29] It's good stuff.

[00:51:30] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:51:31] Rocks.

[00:51:32] Okay, any last thoughts about Star Trek First Contact

[00:51:33] before you start wrapping this up Mike?

[00:51:34] No, I think just broadly

[00:51:36] even for a movie like this

[00:51:38] which is the 8th Star Trek movie

[00:51:40] it's whatever, all this stuff

[00:51:42] we just used to have movies.

[00:51:44] These are sets in real things.

[00:51:47] It's dudes with plastic fucking tape

[00:51:49] to their face to look like the poor...

[00:51:51] You know, it's like actual stuff.

[00:51:53] Yes, yeah, I agree.

[00:51:54] Bring back stuff in movies.

[00:51:56] Bring back things, yeah.

[00:51:57] Bring back things, that's all we need.

[00:51:59] Yeah, and also make a new Star Trek movie.

[00:52:01] Come on you cowards.

[00:52:02] Do it.

[00:52:03] Do it.

[00:52:04] What the hell?

[00:52:05] Yeah, I mean you got that reboot cast right there

[00:52:07] who are so good.

[00:52:08] Oh my God, they can't afford those guys anymore.

[00:52:11] There's no way.

[00:52:13] I mean, who do you got?

[00:52:14] I think you can afford Zachary Quinto.

[00:52:15] Okay, yeah, I guess what else is he doing?

[00:52:17] Yeah, exactly.

[00:52:18] I mean, he must be doing something, but I don't know what.

[00:52:20] I think he's mostly a theater guy.

[00:52:21] Yeah.

[00:52:22] You know, okay, Chris Pine, pretty big.

[00:52:24] He's pretty big these days.

[00:52:26] Anton Yelchin, dead, can't get him.

[00:52:28] Can't get him.

[00:52:29] Can't get him.

[00:52:30] Carl Urban, I think you can get him.

[00:52:31] I mean, he's on The Boys now.

[00:52:32] Yeah.

[00:52:33] Right, so that's kind of his big thing

[00:52:34] but I think he would come back

[00:52:35] for a Star Trek movie.

[00:52:36] I think so.

[00:52:37] Zoe Saldana.

[00:52:38] She's Gamora, she's too much.

[00:52:40] Gamora Ann Natiri.

[00:52:41] Ann Natiri.

[00:52:42] She's...

[00:52:43] Yeah, but she was doing all that

[00:52:44] like when Star Trek movies are coming out too.

[00:52:46] I guess she was doing an avatar

[00:52:47] when Star Trek came out

[00:52:48] but Guardians was a few years away.

[00:52:49] Now she might be a little big.

[00:52:51] Simon Pegg, Mr. Mission Impossible himself?

[00:52:53] He can't.

[00:52:54] He's already doing a Mission Impossible then too.

[00:52:56] Simon Pegg could come back, Chris.

[00:52:57] He wrote Star Trek Beyond.

[00:53:02] It's just fun to pretend

[00:53:03] that the most likely person to come back

[00:53:05] is two bigs to come back.

[00:53:09] He would come back for almost nothing, I think.

[00:53:11] He would just love Star Trek.

[00:53:12] He would love Flan Scott again, I think.

[00:53:14] I think so.

[00:53:15] Who else?

[00:53:16] There's one more guy.

[00:53:17] Yeah, who else is in that cast?

[00:53:19] You got...man.

[00:53:20] I remember Alice Eve was in Star Trek Into Darkness

[00:53:22] but she's not one of the main crew.

[00:53:23] Peter Weller was in that movie too.

[00:53:25] Was he?

[00:53:26] I don't remember Peter Weller.

[00:53:27] Is he like an admiral or some shit?

[00:53:29] Something like that, yeah.

[00:53:30] Benedict Cumberbatch was the bad guy

[00:53:31] but Peter Weller I think

[00:53:32] is the one who warns them about Khan or something.

[00:53:34] Oh yeah.

[00:53:35] Yeah.

[00:53:36] Who else are we forgetting about

[00:53:38] in the Star Trek?

[00:53:39] John Cho.

[00:53:40] Yeah, John Cho.

[00:53:41] I think he would do it.

[00:53:42] No?

[00:53:43] Yeah, probably I guess.

[00:53:44] Right?

[00:53:45] Come on.

[00:53:46] I think that's the main cast.

[00:53:47] That pretty much covers it I think.

[00:53:49] Yeah, I'm doing a quick cross-reference right now.

[00:53:53] You got Zachary Quinto as Spock, Carl Urban as McCoy,

[00:53:55] Zoe Saldana as Uhura, Simon Pegas Scotty,

[00:53:57] John Cho as Sulu, Antony Elchin as Chekhov, RIP,

[00:54:00] Bruce Greenwood as Pike.

[00:54:02] That was cool.

[00:54:03] I liked Bruce Greenwood.

[00:54:04] I think he dies in...he dies in 09, right?

[00:54:07] I think so, yeah.

[00:54:08] And Eric Banna was the bad guy.

[00:54:10] Oh.

[00:54:11] Yeah, and that one also involved time travel

[00:54:13] because it involved him traveling from the primetime lot,

[00:54:16] like that split off into a separate whole thing

[00:54:19] and that's why Leonard Nimoy was in it.

[00:54:21] Yeah, or Leonard Ui, I mean, yeah.

[00:54:23] Yeah, and that's truly...

[00:54:24] Star Trek 09 was the prototype for Force Awakens.

[00:54:28] In terms of what the legacy sequel became,

[00:54:30] 100%, that's very much what it was.

[00:54:33] And I remember when JD Abrams was announced

[00:54:35] as the director for Force Awakens,

[00:54:37] he thought it was like, yeah, that makes sense.

[00:54:39] He already made a Star Wars movie.

[00:54:40] Like his Star Trek is very much just Star Wars.

[00:54:42] Right.

[00:54:43] So yeah.

[00:54:44] Yeah, remember Eric Banna?

[00:54:45] I wonder what he's doing.

[00:54:46] Eric Banna, what is he up to these days?

[00:54:48] He played Captain Nero in Star Trek 09.

[00:54:50] He was in Deliver Us from Evil in 2014.

[00:54:53] He played the title role in a true crime miniseries

[00:54:56] called Dirty John in 2018.

[00:54:59] Okay, all right.

[00:55:00] So there was that...

[00:55:01] Oh, he was the voice of Monterey Jack

[00:55:03] in the Disney Plus original movie,

[00:55:05] Chippendale Rescue Rangers.

[00:55:07] So there was that.

[00:55:09] Yeah, hasn't really been doing too much.

[00:55:11] Not a lot of big Eric Banna movies

[00:55:14] in the filmography lately.

[00:55:15] I think the biggest one in the last few years

[00:55:17] was King Arthur Legend of the Sword.

[00:55:19] I remember that movie, I think.

[00:55:21] I definitely remember seeing trailers for it.

[00:55:23] Never watched it.

[00:55:24] That was a Guy Ritchie joint.

[00:55:25] A Guy Ritchie joint starring Charlie Hunnam.

[00:55:27] Whoa.

[00:55:28] Oh yeah, I did see that then.

[00:55:29] You saw it?

[00:55:30] I did see that, yeah.

[00:55:31] Okay, how was it?

[00:55:32] I think it's pretty good.

[00:55:33] It's a Guy Ritchie movie.

[00:55:34] Do you think Hans is in it?

[00:55:35] Maybe.

[00:55:36] Anyway, that's fun.

[00:55:37] I've been meaning to rewatch Munich lately.

[00:55:38] I mean, Munich rocks.

[00:55:39] That's what I'm thinking about Eric Banna.

[00:55:41] Yeah, it's a very good movie.

[00:55:43] Also, I remember there's like a scene

[00:55:44] and knocked up where they talk about

[00:55:45] how good Eric Banna is in Munich.

[00:55:47] Incredible.

[00:55:48] What a wild pull to have.

[00:55:50] A knocked up reference,

[00:55:51] which is actually a reference to Munich.

[00:55:53] Yes, I just remember that being like...

[00:55:55] It was funny, but it weirdly took me out of the movie.

[00:55:57] It's like, let's show a very specific thing

[00:56:00] for them to do.

[00:56:01] And then Joe Dabatow's next movie was Funny People,

[00:56:03] which featured Eric Banna.

[00:56:04] He was in it.

[00:56:05] Time travel just like in Star Trek First Contact.

[00:56:08] Exactly.

[00:56:09] All right, Star Trek First Contact.

[00:56:10] It's good.

[00:56:11] People should watch it.

[00:56:12] Yes.

[00:56:13] Ditto.

[00:56:14] Yes.

[00:56:15] So thanks to David for donating $50 with Kofi Page

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[00:56:48] We have another one next week or coming up soon.

[00:56:50] I don't know exactly what our timeline is.

[00:56:52] Yeah, next week is the timeline.

[00:56:53] So yeah, we have another Kofi Donation episode

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[00:56:58] Yes, it could be more Dragon Ball.

[00:56:59] Can't wait.

[00:57:00] Yes, I was about to reveal that in a minute

[00:57:02] after we did the plugs.

[00:57:03] But rip.

[00:57:04] Well, time travel.

[00:57:06] Whoo-hoo.

[00:57:07] Make it happen now?

[00:57:08] I don't know.

[00:57:09] I lost the thread.

[00:57:12] All right, Mike D, where can we find you online this week?

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[00:58:28] we are, you know, what's weird is that this episode was sort of

[00:58:31] a follow up to a different Kofi donation episode

[00:58:33] with Star Trek II.

[00:58:34] Next week, same thing.

[00:58:35] It's a follow up to a different Kofi donation episode.

[00:58:38] Yes.

[00:58:39] So a few months back, this same person made us watch

[00:58:43] Dragon Ball Super Broly,

[00:58:45] which I was very excited about

[00:58:46] because I'm a huge Dragon Ball fan

[00:58:47] and I've been rewatching Dragon Ball

[00:58:49] and Dragon Ball Z over the last like,

[00:58:51] I guess two years at this point.

[00:58:53] And in recent weeks,

[00:58:54] we had the sad news that Akira Toriyama,

[00:58:56] creator of Dragon Ball has passed away.

[00:58:58] And that was a real bummer.

[00:59:00] I was very sad about it.

[00:59:01] But this person came back,

[00:59:03] donated $50 to the podcast

[00:59:04] and they're going to make us watch another Dragon Ball movie.

[00:59:07] They gave us the choice this time.

[00:59:09] Yes.

[00:59:10] So they allowed us to choose

[00:59:11] between Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods

[00:59:13] or Dragon Ball Super Super Hero.

[00:59:16] Now I have not seen either of these movies.

[00:59:18] I'm looking forward to both of them.

[00:59:20] I had planned to watch both of them at some point anyway.

[00:59:23] Once I got to them like in my watch,

[00:59:25] because I've seen as I mentioned on that

[00:59:27] Dragon Ball podcast,

[00:59:28] I've seen all of Dragon Ball.

[00:59:29] I am in the middle of my Dragon Ball Z rewatch.

[00:59:32] Since then I'm like right at the tail end

[00:59:34] of the Frieza saga now.

[00:59:35] So I still got like six seasons to go.

[00:59:37] But like, you know, I'm getting there.

[00:59:38] It's going to take a while.

[00:59:39] Yeah.

[00:59:40] But once I get through Dragon Ball Z,

[00:59:41] my plan is to watch Dragon Ball Super,

[00:59:43] which I've never seen.

[00:59:44] And I'm excited about that.

[00:59:46] But as a result,

[00:59:47] I have less context for what happens in Super.

[00:59:50] And so we watched Dragon Ball Super Broly,

[00:59:52] sort of out of context.

[00:59:53] And I was thinking about Dragon Ball Super Super Hero

[00:59:55] because I've heard it's really good.

[00:59:56] However, I think my choice,

[00:59:58] because this is basically entirely up to me,

[01:00:00] which one we're going to talk about.

[01:00:01] Yeah, for sure.

[01:00:02] I think my choice is going to be

[01:00:03] Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods.

[01:00:05] Okay.

[01:00:06] The reasoning for this choice

[01:00:07] is that Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods

[01:00:09] takes place right after Dragon Ball Z,

[01:00:11] which is like, I know the events of Dragon Ball Z.

[01:00:14] I'm aware of what happens.

[01:00:15] Got it.

[01:00:16] And also this movie became the basis

[01:00:18] for the first season of Dragon Ball Super.

[01:00:20] So like later this movie gets expanded on

[01:00:23] into like a full season of TV.

[01:00:24] Mm-hmm.

[01:00:25] So I figured, okay, well, I'll watch this movie now,

[01:00:27] get a gist of it, and then later

[01:00:29] I won't have to watch it.

[01:00:30] Like I'll just be able to jump right into

[01:00:31] Dragon Ball Super.

[01:00:32] Right.

[01:00:33] Yeah.

[01:00:34] You have the context for where this movie's coming from

[01:00:35] and you get a little preview

[01:00:36] for where the season's going.

[01:00:37] Exactly.

[01:00:38] Nice.

[01:00:39] Yeah.

[01:00:40] So that's the plan.

[01:00:41] So Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods,

[01:00:42] that is going to be the episode next week.

[01:00:44] And if you really want us to talk

[01:00:45] about Dragon Ball Super Super Hero,

[01:00:47] donate $50 more and we will do it.

[01:00:50] Anybody can.

[01:00:51] Anybody can.

[01:00:52] Does not have to be the same person.

[01:00:54] It could be anybody.

[01:00:55] That kind of sounded like a threat.

[01:00:56] So I just want to say anybody can do that.

[01:00:58] Yeah.

[01:00:59] The way you said that.

[01:01:01] Very good.

[01:01:02] Yeah, I'm excited for Dragon Ball.

[01:01:04] I liked Broly.

[01:01:05] Broly was fun, but definitely felt in that movie

[01:01:07] like I don't know what the fuck is going on.

[01:01:09] I don't know who any of these people are.

[01:01:11] Oh yeah.

[01:01:12] If you listen to that episode,

[01:01:13] it's me explaining to Mike

[01:01:14] what's happening in the movie for a lot of it.

[01:01:16] Exactly.

[01:01:17] But yeah, I had a great time with that one.

[01:01:19] So looking forward to Dragon Ball Z

[01:01:20] Battle of Gods next week on the podcast.

[01:01:23] And in the meantime,

[01:01:24] The Complete Works will be returning soon

[01:01:26] with season four.

[01:01:27] And like we said, all the episodes over here,

[01:01:29] they're going to start getting published

[01:01:30] on both feeds so you can go over

[01:01:32] to The Complete Works,

[01:01:33] subscribe over there,

[01:01:34] and yeah, start listening to the episodes on that

[01:01:35] for you to do it.

[01:01:36] Yes, we dare you.

[01:01:37] Actually, we beg you.

[01:01:39] Yes.

[01:01:41] All right.

[01:01:42] That is the end of this week's episode

[01:01:43] of Mike and I Go To The Movies.

[01:01:44] We will see you on the other side.