It's time for another Mike Makes Mike Watch! This week, Mike D comes to terms with the work of Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach with MISTRESS AMERICA, while Smith catches up with an early 90s movie star vehicle, THE PELICAN BRIEF!
[00:00:00] Let's get together and talk about the movies that we saw this week.
[00:00:04] We'll have discussions, talk film news, we'll laugh a lot and act like freaks.
[00:00:07] Sometimes we'll have a guest or two, sometimes it's just the two of us.
[00:00:09] We'll crack some jokes and tell some folks to come along and hang with us!
[00:00:12] Mike and Mike Go To The Movies
[00:00:17] Mike and Mike Go To The Movies
[00:00:22] Yeah!
[00:00:25] You have chosen wisely.
[00:00:28] There's a conspiracy of flutes and it goes all the way to the top of this podcast.
[00:00:32] It's Mike and Mike Go To The Movies.
[00:00:34] I'm Mike Smith and Jeremy, as always, is someone who does not give a shit
[00:00:37] because he's not a friend of Tennessee Williams.
[00:00:40] Mike, I appreciate it.
[00:00:41] How are you doing, Mike?
[00:00:42] I'm doing great.
[00:00:44] And I'm glad that you know that when I tried to get some friends to watch
[00:00:49] one of these movies with me, the one that you had to watch.
[00:00:52] And I told them, I asked, do you guys want to watch a movie
[00:00:55] where it goes all the way to the top?
[00:00:58] And they were like, yeah.
[00:01:00] They didn't meet my intensity.
[00:01:03] But yes, they knew the whole time.
[00:01:07] Yes, it was that they knew!
[00:01:10] Yes, that is what we're doing today.
[00:01:11] We're doing a Mike Page-Mike watch, our monthly series on the podcast
[00:01:16] where I make Mike D watch something and then he makes me watch something.
[00:01:20] Ideally, something we've never seen before.
[00:01:21] I guess we could make us watch rewatches, but that's no fun.
[00:01:24] Right? We want to expose each other to new horizons.
[00:01:27] Correct. That's reserved more for the birthday bylaw movies,
[00:01:31] where it's like let's watch an old fave or something
[00:01:33] or that was the impetus behind those movies.
[00:01:35] So the Mike makes Mike watches was the stuff that mostly you've been telling me
[00:01:39] to watch for the decade that we've known each other.
[00:01:41] And I'm like, yeah, I'll get to it.
[00:01:42] And you're like, no, for the podcast, we're doing it.
[00:01:45] Right.
[00:01:45] Yeah, fair.
[00:01:46] Yeah, I've got to think about my birthday bylaw.
[00:01:49] My birthday is coming up in June.
[00:01:51] Yes. And I am reserving my right because Joker 2 comes out on my birthday.
[00:01:57] Is it really on your birthday?
[00:01:58] It's my birthday day to invoke the bylaw.
[00:02:01] I mean, but I want somebody wants to pay us then like, yeah, sure.
[00:02:04] I guess I'll watch it.
[00:02:05] I will say I'm not sure the bylaw works in reverse.
[00:02:08] I don't think you can.
[00:02:11] That's an edit.
[00:02:13] Yeah.
[00:02:15] But I will.
[00:02:15] I think it would be really fun to talk about Joker 2 on this podcast
[00:02:19] partially because I think Joker 2 could be pretty good.
[00:02:22] I don't know.
[00:02:22] You shut your goddamn mouth.
[00:02:23] I think it could be a pretty good movie.
[00:02:25] How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?
[00:02:31] I don't know.
[00:02:31] Did you watch the trailer for Joker 2, Mike?
[00:02:33] No, of course not.
[00:02:34] Check it out.
[00:02:34] Looks pretty good.
[00:02:36] I mean, it's such a big swing from what Joker was.
[00:02:40] You know, Joker 2019 was, you know, I mean, granted,
[00:02:44] I liked Joker more than you did.
[00:02:48] It's a pretty low bar to hit.
[00:02:51] Mike D famously not a fan of the film Joker from 2019.
[00:02:56] But I think Joker is a pretty good movie, you know, much
[00:02:59] much like we were just talking about this off off Mike,
[00:03:02] Alex Garland's Civil War.
[00:03:04] You know, that is a movie that people either really loved
[00:03:06] or really hated.
[00:03:07] And I was just somewhere in between.
[00:03:09] It's fine.
[00:03:10] It's pretty good.
[00:03:10] I didn't dislike it.
[00:03:11] I enjoyed parts of it, you know, in Civil War,
[00:03:13] kind of the same thing.
[00:03:14] Joker, I think, is like a fairly hollow, you know,
[00:03:18] reimagining of Martin Scorsese movies like Taxi Driver
[00:03:21] and Cam Comedy, right?
[00:03:23] And Joker, Fale Adu is going to be this like big swing,
[00:03:28] romantic musical that seems more heavily influenced
[00:03:31] by New York, New York than anything else.
[00:03:33] And also like the umbrellas of Sherburne gets
[00:03:35] like a specific shout out in the trailer,
[00:03:37] like this one shot that calls, pays homage to that.
[00:03:40] And I don't know.
[00:03:41] It just seems like to show you Wild's turn for like
[00:03:44] the sequel to Joker to be.
[00:03:46] Right.
[00:03:46] And, you know, I don't really like to have Phillips
[00:03:48] all that much as a filmmaker.
[00:03:49] I do think Joaquin Phoenix was good in Joker.
[00:03:53] And in general, I think he's like,
[00:03:54] he's one of our best actors.
[00:03:56] And Lady Gaga is playing Harley Quinn.
[00:03:57] I don't know. I'm in.
[00:03:58] There's, I think there's something going on
[00:04:02] in the Joker in Joker, Fale Adu.
[00:04:04] Maybe Lucy will keep the ball there this time.
[00:04:06] You know?
[00:04:07] Maybe this time it'll be different.
[00:04:10] Yeah, speaking of man,
[00:04:11] still gotta watch Rebel Moon, man.
[00:04:12] Still gotta get around.
[00:04:13] Yeah, exactly.
[00:04:15] Come on.
[00:04:15] Gotta get around to it.
[00:04:18] Yeah, no, I do think Joker Fale Adu could be good.
[00:04:22] And I think we should talk about it when it comes out.
[00:04:26] Doesn't have to be on your birthday, Mike.
[00:04:29] We could do it a week later.
[00:04:30] You can do it a different week.
[00:04:31] Okay. Maybe.
[00:04:33] I'll give you a possible maybe.
[00:04:35] Okay.
[00:04:36] So that's yeah.
[00:04:38] But if anybody wants to, you know,
[00:04:40] really kind of put their weight on the scale,
[00:04:42] if they want to donate $50 to the podcast
[00:04:44] and make us watch Joker 2.
[00:04:46] Can't say no.
[00:04:46] That's the thing.
[00:04:47] That's the rules.
[00:04:48] Yeah, Kofi donation, 50 bucks right there.
[00:04:50] And the more 50s you donate,
[00:04:52] the more times Mike D has to watch Joker 2.
[00:04:54] Oh my God.
[00:04:57] Just for every $50, we're gonna make Mike's Cree show
[00:05:00] Watch Joker 2 one more time.
[00:05:03] I'm glad that the trailer did not,
[00:05:05] I also saw Civil War this past weekend.
[00:05:10] And same, you know, down the line,
[00:05:11] it's pretty good.
[00:05:12] It's down the middle.
[00:05:13] Like it's fine.
[00:05:13] It's amazing.
[00:05:14] I think there's some really great performances,
[00:05:15] but ultimately kind of hollowed.
[00:05:17] But I'm glad the trailer didn't play before that,
[00:05:20] but the trailer for Maxine did.
[00:05:22] Cause they also ate 24.
[00:05:23] The movies are back baby.
[00:05:25] That's all I gotta say.
[00:05:26] Make sure you watch Angel,
[00:05:28] which was a Mike makes Mike watch
[00:05:30] before you watch Maxine.
[00:05:31] Cause it feels like they're just one and the same.
[00:05:33] They're going to be referencing the same stuff.
[00:05:35] I think you are correct.
[00:05:36] And that Maxine trailer does look really fun.
[00:05:37] I'm very excited about that.
[00:05:39] Also the long legs trailer looks really cool.
[00:05:40] There's a lot of cool stuff coming out.
[00:05:41] A lot of cool shit happening.
[00:05:42] Yeah. A lot of cool stuff.
[00:05:43] Long legs, which of course we'll talk about
[00:05:44] on the complete works cause Nicholas Cage is in it.
[00:05:47] And then yeah, Furiosa's out next month also,
[00:05:50] which that's all I'm thinking about.
[00:05:51] I can't wait.
[00:05:52] There's this one moment
[00:05:54] and you've seen the Furiosa trailer by now,
[00:05:55] I'm sure right Mike?
[00:05:56] Actually, I don't think I have.
[00:05:57] I don't think it played before Civil War
[00:05:59] or First Omen.
[00:06:00] Yeah.
[00:06:00] Wow. Okay.
[00:06:01] Yeah.
[00:06:02] Furiosa has had two trailers now.
[00:06:03] The first trailer is pretty good,
[00:06:04] but the second trailer I think rocks.
[00:06:06] And there's this one moments in the trailer
[00:06:09] where Anja Taylor-Joy is like narrating it.
[00:06:10] Like ask Furiosa,
[00:06:11] like doing the voiceover and stuff.
[00:06:13] And there's this one moment where she has this like guttural sound
[00:06:15] to her voice about wanting her family back.
[00:06:17] And she has this line like, I want them back.
[00:06:20] And then there's pause.
[00:06:21] I want them back.
[00:06:22] And she like, it takes the lever of the vehicle
[00:06:26] and starts to run.
[00:06:26] Yeah.
[00:06:27] It just looks so fucking right.
[00:06:28] Hell yeah.
[00:06:29] It looks cool.
[00:06:30] I can't wait.
[00:06:31] Furiosa, we will definitely be talking about
[00:06:32] on this podcast I think.
[00:06:33] Absolutely.
[00:06:34] Yes. For sure.
[00:06:35] That's gotta happen.
[00:06:36] That will do for free.
[00:06:37] Yeah.
[00:06:39] If we review only two new movies this year,
[00:06:41] it's going to be Furiosa and Joker for the Hattie.
[00:06:45] My God.
[00:06:48] Anyway, today we're not talking about any new movies, Mike.
[00:06:51] That's right.
[00:06:51] In fact, both movies that we're talking about
[00:06:53] are at least 10 years old at this point.
[00:06:55] And so today, Mike D, you're making me watch
[00:06:58] Alan Jay Pakula's The Pelican Brief from 1993.
[00:07:02] And I am making you watch
[00:07:03] Noah Baumbach's Mistress America from 2015.
[00:07:06] And so yeah, which one of these movies
[00:07:07] would you like to talk about first, Mike?
[00:07:09] Let's talk about Mistress America first.
[00:07:10] Okay, let's do it.
[00:07:11] Let's get into Mike Makes Mike Watch.
[00:07:14] I hope they choose right.
[00:07:16] Mike's watching Mike's movie.
[00:07:19] Bigs for him specially.
[00:07:21] Whoa, whoa, whoa.
[00:07:22] It's just another night.
[00:07:24] Mike's watching Mike's movie.
[00:07:27] They bury in quality.
[00:07:29] I was sleeping.
[00:07:30] Turn that off.
[00:07:31] Sorry.
[00:07:32] I'm your roommate.
[00:07:35] You know the feeling of being at a party
[00:07:37] where you don't know anybody?
[00:07:38] Colleges like that the whole time.
[00:07:41] You should call Brooke.
[00:07:42] I hear she's fun.
[00:07:44] Hey, baby Tracy.
[00:07:48] Being around Brooke made you want to find life, not hide from it.
[00:07:51] I'm gonna short.
[00:07:51] I'm gonna punch it up and turn it into a tweet.
[00:07:54] She sang with the band and knew everyone
[00:07:56] and didn't owe anyone anything
[00:07:58] and couldn't pay up even if she did.
[00:08:00] High five, sister.
[00:08:01] That was an amazing night.
[00:08:02] Best of my life.
[00:08:04] You got a honey?
[00:08:05] No.
[00:08:06] There's just one guy.
[00:08:06] Hey.
[00:08:07] Hey.
[00:08:08] But he's got a girlfriend.
[00:08:09] There's no cheating when you're 18.
[00:08:12] You should all be touching each other all the time.
[00:08:15] I'm starting a restaurant.
[00:08:16] The front part would be like a shop.
[00:08:18] We don't have cooking classes.
[00:08:19] Maybe cut hair.
[00:08:21] If I did a cabaret, it would be called high standards
[00:08:23] and I would sing all the standards.
[00:08:25] That's clever.
[00:08:26] My tutor at junior high.
[00:08:27] But I would love to get into the app business.
[00:08:29] My freelance is an interior decorator.
[00:08:32] I want to write short stories.
[00:08:33] Oh, me too.
[00:08:34] Not short stories, though.
[00:08:38] I think I'm sick.
[00:08:39] And I don't know if my ailment has a name.
[00:08:43] I just am in love with everything,
[00:08:45] but can't figure out how to make myself work in the world.
[00:08:49] I think I have that too.
[00:08:51] I am so impressed by you and so worried for you
[00:08:54] at the same time.
[00:08:58] Sometimes I don't know if you're a Zen master or a sociopath.
[00:09:01] I'm just normal.
[00:09:05] All right.
[00:09:06] That was from the trailer for Mistress America,
[00:09:08] directed by Noah Baumbach from 2015,
[00:09:10] starring Greta Gerwig in the lead role.
[00:09:13] I guess technically the other character, Lola Kirk,
[00:09:15] is the lead of the movie.
[00:09:17] But co-leads, I would say.
[00:09:19] They're pretty equal in the film.
[00:09:21] So yeah, I think weirdly, I didn't intend for this to happen.
[00:09:25] But over the course of Mike Makes Mike Watch,
[00:09:27] I think I've been slowly filling in Greta Gerwig's
[00:09:29] entire filmography.
[00:09:32] Yes.
[00:09:33] For Mike Decrecio, who at this time last year,
[00:09:36] I don't think you had seen any of her movies.
[00:09:38] Yeah, no, correct.
[00:09:39] I hadn't seen anything.
[00:09:39] And you've so far made me watch Ladybird, Francis Ha,
[00:09:43] and now Mistress America.
[00:09:44] Right.
[00:09:44] And so Francis Ha and Mistress America
[00:09:46] both directed by Noah Baumbach,
[00:09:47] but co-written by Noah Baumbach and Greta Gerwig
[00:09:50] and Gowns.
[00:09:51] They're married.
[00:09:52] They work together.
[00:09:53] I'm pretty sure she's sort of co-director
[00:09:55] on these movies too.
[00:09:56] Yeah, but credited to Noah Baumbach.
[00:09:58] But yeah, so Francis Ha is I think the most recent one
[00:10:01] that I made you watch before this.
[00:10:02] Yes.
[00:10:03] And I think you had a similar reaction to Francis Ha
[00:10:06] and Ladybird, where you were kind of like,
[00:10:08] yeah, I like this.
[00:10:09] This is pretty good.
[00:10:10] I'm not sure I'd like this as much as everybody else does.
[00:10:12] Right?
[00:10:13] Correct.
[00:10:13] And also to preview, same for Mistress America,
[00:10:17] which is wild.
[00:10:18] But I've come to realize I'm going
[00:10:20] to have to go back and re-watch Ladybird now
[00:10:23] because of this.
[00:10:23] I re-watched Francis Ha this past weekend.
[00:10:27] Thanks to a certain film critic who writes or used
[00:10:31] to write all of their things in the character of a Marvel.
[00:10:33] In character as a Marvel.
[00:10:34] Film Crit Hulk?
[00:10:35] Film Crit Hulk, yes.
[00:10:36] Who sometimes randomly streams on Twitch,
[00:10:39] unannounced, untitled movie marathons,
[00:10:41] just will, which is like, I don't know,
[00:10:43] there's some kind of copyright dodging
[00:10:45] that they're doing over there to make that happen.
[00:10:48] But I saw that they were streaming on,
[00:10:50] I think it was on Saturday or something this past weekend.
[00:10:52] And I was just like, ah, this is cool.
[00:10:53] I checked in and I forget what movie it was.
[00:10:55] Maybe I think it was Casablanca or something.
[00:10:57] And I was like, this rules, but I have to go do some stuff.
[00:10:59] So I left, I think it was D&D actually.
[00:11:01] I went to play D&D, D&D ended.
[00:11:02] My friends and I were hanging out on Discord.
[00:11:04] We didn't know what to do.
[00:11:05] I was like, well, this is a guy.
[00:11:06] Let's see what film Crit Hulk streaming.
[00:11:08] Poffed it on.
[00:11:09] It was the opening credits of Francis Ha.
[00:11:11] I was like, well, okay.
[00:11:13] I got nothing else to do.
[00:11:14] Let's watch this.
[00:11:16] And was totally won over by it.
[00:11:18] Which is like, oh my God, this is incredible.
[00:11:20] And but it was funny, my friends were
[00:11:21] that I was watching it and had never seen it.
[00:11:23] And they were where I was the first time I watched it
[00:11:25] where they were like, I fucking hate Francis.
[00:11:27] What is she doing?
[00:11:30] And I was like, just trust me.
[00:11:33] I remember there being a moment in the back half of the movie
[00:11:35] that I really won me over.
[00:11:36] And then Francis Ha, it's basically after Paris,
[00:11:39] after she goes to Paris just cause she lies
[00:11:41] that she has plans to go to Paris
[00:11:43] and it's like this whole awful thing.
[00:11:44] And then she spends the summer at Vassar College
[00:11:48] in the dorms.
[00:11:50] And after that, the back half of the movie
[00:11:52] or like the third act or whatever,
[00:11:53] I was like totally on board for Francis.
[00:11:55] So knowing that's coming,
[00:11:56] I was able to enjoy the first half of the movie
[00:11:58] a lot more.
[00:11:59] And then the same thing happened with my friends
[00:12:00] that like when we got to that point,
[00:12:02] they were like, oh no, Francis, you poor sweet child.
[00:12:06] Like, you know, so all that to say
[00:12:07] I really enjoyed Francis Ha.
[00:12:09] And then when I was watching Mistress America,
[00:12:11] I was like, I hate this character.
[00:12:14] I cannot handle it.
[00:12:16] And then there's a moment in the back half of the movie
[00:12:18] where it turns and I'm like, I fucking love this character.
[00:12:20] So now I gotta go back
[00:12:21] and rewatch Mistress America with that knowledge
[00:12:23] and I gotta go back and watch Lady Bird
[00:12:25] and be like, maybe there's just a barrier to entry for me
[00:12:29] with these, you know, like arrested development,
[00:12:31] annoying precocious people that thought out
[00:12:35] throughout the first act or first half of the movie.
[00:12:37] And then by the third act,
[00:12:39] you're completely on their side for me.
[00:12:42] And that makes it more enjoyable.
[00:12:44] So I've had a journey with Noah Bombeck
[00:12:46] in Gretagraphics movies
[00:12:47] in the past three days.
[00:12:51] That's so great.
[00:12:52] I'm glad you got the chance to rewatch Francis Ha
[00:12:54] and you kind of came around on it.
[00:12:55] That's great.
[00:12:56] I think we like threw out there that out there
[00:12:58] as a possibility when we talked about Francis Ha
[00:13:01] that like when you watched it again at some point,
[00:13:03] but like I figured if you watched it again,
[00:13:05] it would be like years from now,
[00:13:06] like it would be like-
[00:13:08] More than a couple months.
[00:13:09] Yeah, exactly.
[00:13:10] So I'm glad you ended up rewatching Francis Ha
[00:13:12] and I hope that you end up rewatching Mistress America
[00:13:15] because this is my favorite Noah Bombeck movie.
[00:13:18] This is probably my favorite Gretagraphics movie.
[00:13:20] I really love Mistress America.
[00:13:21] This is like the one that I really, really responded to.
[00:13:24] And I mean, Francis Ha was probably a grower on me as well.
[00:13:27] Like I saw Francis Ha when it was in theaters,
[00:13:29] liked it quite a bit,
[00:13:30] didn't really think about it too much for like 10 years.
[00:13:33] And then finally watched it again and really loved it.
[00:13:35] Mistress America, I watched,
[00:13:37] I didn't see it in theaters,
[00:13:38] but I saw it like when it hit Blu-ray I think.
[00:13:40] Like I, you know, back of my Netflix disc plan,
[00:13:42] which RIP missed that so much.
[00:13:45] The ancient past.
[00:13:46] I watched Mistress America off my Netflix disc plan
[00:13:49] when it came out.
[00:13:49] And I was like completely won over by immediately.
[00:13:52] I loved this movie.
[00:13:53] I was like, it was a full like four and a half,
[00:13:55] five stars for me.
[00:13:56] Like I was so in for Mistress America.
[00:13:59] And I think part of that is the turn it takes
[00:14:01] about halfway through where the first half of it
[00:14:03] is, you know, it's heightened.
[00:14:05] There's like a lot of like wacky dialogue and stuff.
[00:14:07] And you're kind of like seeing this sort of like
[00:14:08] larger than life character
[00:14:10] that Gretagraphic is playing a little bit.
[00:14:11] Just like what a wild weird person to be around
[00:14:14] and like she's a little bit insufferable
[00:14:15] but like why is she this way?
[00:14:16] And all that stuff.
[00:14:17] And then the back half turns into like
[00:14:19] just a really fun screwball comedy.
[00:14:22] And I was just so enchanted by it.
[00:14:24] I was so delighted by this movie when I first saw it.
[00:14:27] Yeah, yeah.
[00:14:27] I mean, that's the same thing for me
[00:14:29] where I was watching it.
[00:14:30] And it's kind of like the first half of the movie
[00:14:33] Gretagraphic is basically playing like Francis
[00:14:35] if she could make rent, right?
[00:14:37] Like she's the same kind of character
[00:14:39] who's just like getting in over her head
[00:14:42] saying yes to stuff and like doing all these things.
[00:14:44] Like, you know, trying to open a restaurant.
[00:14:45] That's also a barber shop.
[00:14:46] That's also a community, whatever.
[00:14:48] I don't know all that stuff.
[00:14:49] Moms, right?
[00:14:50] That's the name of the place she's trying to open.
[00:14:52] Right.
[00:14:53] And she's the soon-to-be stepsister of the main character
[00:14:55] who is this like literature or English major
[00:14:58] writing something student at like Baruch College
[00:15:01] and all this stuff.
[00:15:02] And I don't know if it's also my reaction
[00:15:05] to the first half of both Francis Ha
[00:15:07] and Mistress America is that it's like too much
[00:15:10] of a mirror of me and my friend groups
[00:15:12] at like when we were 21 and 22
[00:15:14] and we're English majors.
[00:15:15] The movie is cut close.
[00:15:16] It does cut close.
[00:15:18] Yeah.
[00:15:19] And I was like, I don't know.
[00:15:20] I don't know if I like this.
[00:15:23] So there's definitely a possibility
[00:15:26] to my initial like recoiling from these movies.
[00:15:30] But yeah, and then she goes, they go to this like psychic
[00:15:34] who's like, you gotta heal that old wound
[00:15:36] or something just throwing out stuff.
[00:15:38] And they're like, we have to go to Greenwich
[00:15:40] and ask our old friend or ask your old friend
[00:15:43] that stole your t-shirt idea or whatever.
[00:15:45] Ask them for money.
[00:15:46] Once they get to the house in Greenwich
[00:15:48] it's just like 30 or 45 minutes straight of scruble comedy
[00:15:52] with like five or six levels of diet conversations
[00:15:54] going on at the same time in the same room.
[00:15:56] And it's fucking hilarious.
[00:15:57] Yeah.
[00:15:58] And I was like totally won over by all that.
[00:16:00] And it reveals this kind of like, you know, deeper.
[00:16:04] I don't even know what the right word is right now.
[00:16:06] I can't think of it, but this deeper level
[00:16:08] to these characters that is beyond just like
[00:16:11] insufferable and makes bad choices.
[00:16:13] And it's like, oh wait, you're a real person
[00:16:14] like you're a real character behind all of this.
[00:16:16] Right.
[00:16:17] The introspection or whatever.
[00:16:19] And yeah, it's just, it wins me over.
[00:16:22] Like I was like on board with this crew
[00:16:24] of credit girl, again her 18 year old posse.
[00:16:28] It's like, you know, four or five 18 year olds
[00:16:30] that are with her just as emotional support.
[00:16:33] And the way they all turn on the main character
[00:16:35] when it's discovered that she's written a story
[00:16:37] based on what they're going through
[00:16:39] and all this stuff is so funny.
[00:16:40] So yeah, I had a journey ups and downs,
[00:16:43] emotional roller coaster.
[00:16:44] Nice. Yeah.
[00:16:44] I think one of my favorite things about this movie.
[00:16:47] So I've seen this movie a couple of times now
[00:16:49] cause I saw it when it came out
[00:16:50] and one of my favorite Blu-ray purchases ever
[00:16:53] was I was at the dollar store
[00:16:55] and I found Mistress America on Blu-ray
[00:16:57] and I was like, snatch.
[00:16:58] Like that's got it.
[00:17:00] Got that.
[00:17:01] So now I have it.
[00:17:02] I got it for $1 and I've watched it
[00:17:03] like I think once or twice since then
[00:17:04] I showed it to my girlfriend
[00:17:05] and I think she liked it but wasn't like crazy
[00:17:07] about it as into it as I was.
[00:17:09] She really likes Francis Ha
[00:17:10] and for whatever reason didn't
[00:17:11] didn't connect with this one as much.
[00:17:13] But yeah, I really, really liked this movie
[00:17:16] and I think part of it is because
[00:17:18] Francis Ha is very much about like
[00:17:19] navigating your 20s and kind of having that.
[00:17:21] Like you're out of college,
[00:17:23] you're expected to be an adult
[00:17:24] but you're not quite sure how that works
[00:17:26] and you're kind of just figuring it out.
[00:17:28] Constantly asking people, do I look old?
[00:17:31] I'm only 27.
[00:17:32] That's not that old.
[00:17:34] And Mistress America,
[00:17:35] I think you have that college perspective
[00:17:38] but then you also have the perspective
[00:17:39] of somebody who is in their 30s at this point.
[00:17:42] But like somebody who's in their 30s
[00:17:44] but still very much feels like they are in college
[00:17:47] but they're trying to project an image
[00:17:49] of what they expected a 30 year old person
[00:17:52] to look like based on what they thought
[00:17:54] they should be when they were in college.
[00:17:56] And so to that end,
[00:17:57] like Greta Gerwig lives in Times Square.
[00:18:01] And says like this is the first place I got off.
[00:18:04] When I got off the bus into New York
[00:18:06] this is where I was
[00:18:07] and I thought it's where cool people lived.
[00:18:10] Nobody would think.
[00:18:12] I mean, even right down to her introduction
[00:18:15] is coming down those like red steps
[00:18:17] in the middle of Times Square
[00:18:18] but for so much longer
[00:18:20] like it calls out when she's at the top of the stairs
[00:18:23] and it's like a good 20 seconds of her.
[00:18:25] Yes.
[00:18:26] Like arms out like reaching for a hug
[00:18:28] but for 20 seconds because the stairs are so long.
[00:18:32] Hilarious, very funny.
[00:18:33] Yeah.
[00:18:34] And so you have this kind of insane-ish person
[00:18:38] that sort of like takes everyone
[00:18:39] and kind of brings them into her own like,
[00:18:41] you know, whirlwind of emotions
[00:18:43] and like, you know, everything's going on.
[00:18:44] And then you also have Lola Kerr's character
[00:18:46] who is a fairly down to earth college student
[00:18:50] but is like, you know, kind of enraptured
[00:18:52] in this new character
[00:18:54] but she also I think realizes like how insane she is.
[00:18:57] Yeah.
[00:18:58] And so very early on she's like,
[00:18:59] oh, this is great material for my book
[00:19:01] that I'm going to write.
[00:19:02] Right.
[00:19:03] This short story that I'm gonna submit
[00:19:04] to the Literature Society or whatever it is.
[00:19:06] Yeah.
[00:19:07] And I love that they keep bringing up
[00:19:08] like you printed this on onion skin.
[00:19:10] Like the game.
[00:19:12] It's such a superficial thing to do.
[00:19:14] I don't know, it's just very funny.
[00:19:15] And yeah, the way that she gets wrapped up
[00:19:18] in the like the frenzy of Greta Gerwig's character
[00:19:21] who to a college student looks like has it all together.
[00:19:23] Right?
[00:19:24] Like she's opening a business.
[00:19:25] She'd live in commercial space
[00:19:27] like, you know, whatever all this stuff
[00:19:29] all for it to just come all collapsing down
[00:19:31] when the rich boyfriend pulls out
[00:19:33] or breaks up with her or whatever.
[00:19:34] I forget exactly what happens, right?
[00:19:35] Right, yeah.
[00:19:36] She'd be like, oh, she none of this is,
[00:19:38] she has got no plan that she's just seat of her pants
[00:19:41] is faking all of it.
[00:19:42] Right.
[00:19:43] But she like is so good at faking all of it.
[00:19:45] And it's like, you know, it's very confident
[00:19:47] in how she speaks and that sort of fools everybody
[00:19:50] into being like, yeah, she's kind of got it together
[00:19:51] even though she seems insane.
[00:19:54] You know, and there's just moments
[00:19:55] is very quotable moments that come out of her character.
[00:19:58] I think Brooks are characters name.
[00:20:00] But yeah, there's this one like line
[00:20:01] that I think about all the time,
[00:20:02] which is like she's talking to somebody
[00:20:04] and she's like, oh, that's very like self-aware of you.
[00:20:08] And she's like, oh yeah, I know everything about myself.
[00:20:09] That's why I can't do therapy.
[00:20:10] Right.
[00:20:11] Yeah.
[00:20:12] Or when she asks the other character,
[00:20:15] Lola Kerr's character, I forget her name,
[00:20:16] is like, oh, I'm an auto-didact.
[00:20:18] You know what that means?
[00:20:19] And she says yes.
[00:20:20] And she's like, that word is one of the things
[00:20:22] I self taught myself.
[00:20:25] So funny.
[00:20:26] It's so great.
[00:20:28] Yeah, and then they go to Greenwich, right?
[00:20:31] Like I said, the advice of some psychic, the spirit,
[00:20:34] that he gives them that big thing
[00:20:37] and they fill it all in themselves.
[00:20:39] To go to Mamie Claire, who's her Brooks ex best friend
[00:20:42] that stole her t-shirt idea and her fiance in the past.
[00:20:45] And her cats.
[00:20:46] And her cats.
[00:20:47] That's a great reveal.
[00:20:48] That's fucking hilarious.
[00:20:51] So they go there and to ask them for money
[00:20:53] to fill in the gap in their investment gap now
[00:20:55] that the new rich boyfriend has left.
[00:20:57] And yeah, and then it just becomes
[00:20:59] a madcap screwball comedy where it's
[00:21:01] all these different couples and relationships
[00:21:03] and all this stuff.
[00:21:04] And the person that's like a tax attorney
[00:21:06] pretending to be like a copyright lawyer
[00:21:10] or whatever is going on.
[00:21:11] Very fun.
[00:21:12] Yeah, and it's them and also like two other college kids
[00:21:16] that go over to Greenwich.
[00:21:18] Yeah, and it's like, yeah, he's the one with the car
[00:21:20] and like his girlfriend has severe like abandonment
[00:21:24] issues or whatever it is.
[00:21:24] Like she's just very, very clingy
[00:21:27] and very attached to him.
[00:21:28] Like anytime another girl is in the car,
[00:21:30] she gets threatened by it.
[00:21:33] When Lilla Kirk calls the guy, the boyfriend,
[00:21:37] the like not boyfriend, I don't know, her classmate,
[00:21:40] they ask about like if you were gonna get
[00:21:41] like a nice pasta, like what kind of pasta would you get?
[00:21:44] And the like traumatized girlfriend in bed with him
[00:21:46] is like, well, yeah, when she's stick pasta
[00:21:48] or pussy or something, it's just look fun.
[00:21:50] Like she's so insecure about it, it's so funny.
[00:21:54] Yeah, and they all go out to Greenwich together.
[00:21:58] And so that dynamic is very, very funny.
[00:22:00] Cause there is like, I think Tracy does have
[00:22:02] like a crush on this guy, right?
[00:22:03] Or like she is sort of-
[00:22:03] Yeah, he was like, they like sort of had a thing
[00:22:07] but not any kind of physical thing,
[00:22:08] but she assumed they were gonna be a couple
[00:22:11] and when he doesn't show interest
[00:22:12] and goes to this other girlfriend,
[00:22:13] she's like personally slighted by it.
[00:22:17] And so she's sort of like to prove to herself
[00:22:20] that he liked her is like kind of coming onto him.
[00:22:22] Right, yeah.
[00:22:23] And so they all like, that's all happening
[00:22:25] when they get to Greenwich and like, yeah,
[00:22:27] there's all this stuff with Mamie Claire
[00:22:29] and they're like, she's like, you know,
[00:22:31] Brooke confronting her and then also her husband
[00:22:34] who was like her ex-lover and all this stuff.
[00:22:36] And like it all kind of builds up
[00:22:38] to like her pitching an idea to them
[00:22:39] like a sales pitch.
[00:22:41] Yeah, and it's just can't totally unprepared.
[00:22:45] You can't do a pitch and she gets saved by her stepsister.
[00:22:49] Although revealed to not be stepsister
[00:22:51] and that's sort of like what ruins it all for Brooke,
[00:22:53] right? Her dad calls her while they're in Greenwich.
[00:22:55] Oh, right.
[00:22:56] And says like they're not getting married after all.
[00:22:57] The wedding's off.
[00:22:58] Yeah. So I guess she's just nothing to you now.
[00:23:01] Like they're not seem to be stepsisters.
[00:23:03] And then that all kind of boils up in boils over rather
[00:23:06] in the reveal that she's written a short story
[00:23:09] about Brooke called Mistress America.
[00:23:11] And it all goes wrong.
[00:23:12] It all starts screaming at each other
[00:23:13] like put her on trial.
[00:23:14] And it sort of becomes like a,
[00:23:16] like a like West Anderson thing for a set
[00:23:18] where it's just like really specific blocking
[00:23:20] and everyone's framed perfectly.
[00:23:22] And like right in the center and they're all lined up.
[00:23:25] Which no bomb back did work with West Anderson a bunch.
[00:23:28] Oh, really?
[00:23:29] I think he wrote, co-wrote.
[00:23:31] Yeah, he co-wrote Fantastic Mr. Fox
[00:23:33] and he also co-wrote Life Aquatic.
[00:23:35] Makes sense.
[00:23:36] Yeah.
[00:23:36] I mean it just becomes like a really, you know,
[00:23:38] like stage bound.
[00:23:39] They're like they're in a single location, right?
[00:23:41] It feels like, and then all of a sudden
[00:23:42] they're in a specific room where they're sort of
[00:23:44] like putting her on trial basically.
[00:23:46] And there's a really funny cutaway moment
[00:23:49] where they're like all reading the short story
[00:23:50] and Brooke goes to turn the page
[00:23:52] and everyone else is like,
[00:23:53] what, what, what, what?
[00:23:54] She's reading too fast for them
[00:23:57] because they're all reading over each other's shoulder.
[00:24:00] And maybe Claire's like,
[00:24:01] I just have three questions to ask you.
[00:24:02] Do you believe in a woman's right to choose?
[00:24:04] Just like, oh, these are like really crazy
[00:24:07] highfalutin questions based off the short story.
[00:24:10] Yes.
[00:24:11] Great, good stuff.
[00:24:12] Yeah, good stuff.
[00:24:13] This has made me really wanna rewatch Mr. Samarica.
[00:24:16] It's been a couple of years I think.
[00:24:18] Do it, do it.
[00:24:18] It's fun.
[00:24:19] Yeah, it's fun.
[00:24:21] You see, I don't know.
[00:24:23] It sounds like once you watch it again
[00:24:24] you're gonna be much more into this movie.
[00:24:26] Yes.
[00:24:27] Yeah, I think really watching,
[00:24:29] like I said rewatching Francis Ha,
[00:24:31] like made me realize like, oh shit, okay.
[00:24:33] This is how I react to Noah Bombeck
[00:24:36] and specifically these Greta Gerwig movies I guess.
[00:24:38] And then as I'm watching Mr. Samarica in the first half
[00:24:40] like I'm feeling and thinking the same things
[00:24:42] that I was thinking during Francis Ha.
[00:24:44] So I'm like, okay, well, experience tells me
[00:24:46] when I rewatch this
[00:24:47] I'm gonna really enjoy this.
[00:24:50] Enjoy that first half.
[00:24:51] The Greenwich part was great, like on the first watch.
[00:24:55] Had a lot of fun with that stuff.
[00:24:56] It was just the...
[00:24:57] Yeah, it's the build to that really.
[00:24:59] It's you have to kind of get through the first half
[00:25:01] which establishes all the characters,
[00:25:03] establishes all the dynamics,
[00:25:04] establishes the conflicts and what's going on.
[00:25:06] And then really, I mean,
[00:25:07] the Greenwich half adds like five more characters
[00:25:10] that you've only heard about.
[00:25:11] Exactly, yeah.
[00:25:13] But just the whole like insufferable self-important,
[00:25:19] I'm smarter than everybody else English student thing.
[00:25:24] It's too close, too close to home.
[00:25:25] Yeah, I think that's what's so funny
[00:25:27] about the movie to me too is that,
[00:25:28] they're both like that.
[00:25:30] They are both like very self-aggrandizing
[00:25:33] and like assuming they know better
[00:25:36] than everyone around them.
[00:25:37] Trying a beret.
[00:25:38] Yeah, like all that kind of shit.
[00:25:42] Yeah, it's great.
[00:25:42] It's good stuff.
[00:25:43] Yeah, loved it.
[00:25:44] Any other thoughts about Mr. Samarica
[00:25:45] before you move on into the other movie?
[00:25:46] Nothing I could think of right now.
[00:25:48] I'm glad you made me watch it.
[00:25:48] I probably never would have really gotten around to these,
[00:25:51] you know, just like genre,
[00:25:52] Mumblecore, airqua, whatever you want to call it.
[00:25:54] I don't know this kind of small indie dramedy thing
[00:25:57] from the 2010s, I guess.
[00:25:59] You know, there's a lot of them.
[00:26:00] Fair enough.
[00:26:00] Is a genre that I, or like, you know,
[00:26:03] subset of movies or whatever that I enjoy mostly
[00:26:07] but don't really feel the like desire or pull
[00:26:10] to like make sure I see them.
[00:26:11] You know?
[00:26:12] So I'm glad that you're using the
[00:26:14] Mike makes Mike watch opportunity
[00:26:15] to force me to see some of them.
[00:26:16] Yeah.
[00:26:17] And I'm not even sure I've been called this
[00:26:18] like a mumblecore kind of movie.
[00:26:21] I mean, Francis Ha more so, but even that,
[00:26:22] like, you know, Greta Gerwig, like I know about
[00:26:24] Mac were both like, you know,
[00:26:26] key members of the mumblecore movements.
[00:26:28] But I think at this point they had kind of moved beyond it.
[00:26:31] But yeah, and I think this is a movie
[00:26:33] like of all the Greta Gerwig know about Mac movies.
[00:26:35] This is the one that I feel
[00:26:36] like people more need to see.
[00:26:38] You know, I mean, you know,
[00:26:39] the Gerwig movies, Lady Bird,
[00:26:40] Little Women, Barbie, obviously they're big.
[00:26:42] They're huge.
[00:26:43] Everybody saw those.
[00:26:44] And Francis Ha, you know, has always been
[00:26:47] like pretty well, like well-liked, well-received.
[00:26:49] And you know, it has criteria and disc
[00:26:51] and like it's discussed often, right?
[00:26:53] I feel like Missus America is the forgotten one.
[00:26:55] It kind of came, kind of came in with that atreast.
[00:26:57] Like didn't really get too much of a theatrical release.
[00:26:59] And you know, it's the one that I think is the best.
[00:27:01] It's so good.
[00:27:02] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I liked it.
[00:27:03] I like it.
[00:27:04] Not quite like that, but I liked it so far.
[00:27:06] I'm glad.
[00:27:07] Yeah. I think once you watch it again,
[00:27:09] it's going to be a full five stars from.
[00:27:11] It's going to be my whole personality.
[00:27:13] Yeah. Exactly.
[00:27:14] So yeah, that is Missus America,
[00:27:16] the Noah Baumbach, credit-growing film.
[00:27:18] And now let's move on into the movie
[00:27:19] that you made me watch this week, Mike,
[00:27:21] which is The Pelican Brief.
[00:27:24] From the best-selling thriller by John Grisham,
[00:27:27] author of The Firm and The Client,
[00:27:31] from Alan J. Picula,
[00:27:32] director of All the President's Men
[00:27:35] and Presumed Innocent,
[00:27:38] Julia Roberts, Denzel Washington,
[00:27:41] the Supreme Court of the United States,
[00:27:44] our ultimate symbol of law and order.
[00:27:47] But in a single night,
[00:27:48] two of its justices will be brutally assassinated.
[00:27:54] A thousand miles away in New Orleans,
[00:27:57] a lone law student has pieced together
[00:27:59] who did the killings
[00:28:02] and why
[00:28:05] and created a document that has become known
[00:28:07] in the corridors of power as The Pelican Brief.
[00:28:14] Now she has become a target
[00:28:17] and the only person she can trust
[00:28:19] is an investigative journalist.
[00:28:21] Everyone I've told about the brief is dead.
[00:28:24] If this thing reaches as deep
[00:28:25] and goes as high as we think it does,
[00:28:28] these men will do anything not to be exposed.
[00:28:38] Julia Roberts, Denzel Washington, The Pelican Brief.
[00:28:46] All right, that was from the trailer
[00:28:47] from The Pelican Brief from 1993,
[00:28:50] directed by Alan J. Piculia
[00:28:52] and starring Julia Roberts and Denzel Washington,
[00:28:55] among others.
[00:28:55] I did like, you know,
[00:28:57] one of my favorite things that happens,
[00:28:58] this often happens with Mike McQuach movies I feel like,
[00:29:01] is when the opening credits start rolling
[00:29:03] and I don't know who else is in the movie.
[00:29:06] No, I don't know who else is in the movie.
[00:29:10] And I'm suddenly like, oh yeah, Denzel Washington,
[00:29:12] there he is, Julia Roberts.
[00:29:13] Oh, Sam Shepard's in this movie.
[00:29:15] John Herd, Stanley Tucci, John Lithgow.
[00:29:23] So that was fun.
[00:29:24] I enjoyed that aspect of it.
[00:29:25] But why The Pelican Brief, Mike?
[00:29:27] Why did you want to make me watch this movie?
[00:29:29] Well, I watched this movie for the first time
[00:29:32] like six-ish months ago maybe.
[00:29:34] And you talked about it in a discussions episode,
[00:29:36] I think, of the podcast.
[00:29:36] Yes, yeah, yeah.
[00:29:37] And I really enjoyed it.
[00:29:38] I had a total blast and it was a,
[00:29:40] I think I saw it because it was on a John Grisham episode
[00:29:44] of Screen Drafts is where they talked about it.
[00:29:47] And I had heard The Pelican Brief,
[00:29:48] like the title, had never seen it,
[00:29:51] didn't really know anything about it.
[00:29:52] So when they discussed it on that movie
[00:29:54] and they were like, oh, it's a kind of,
[00:29:56] you know, conspiracy thriller from the guy
[00:29:58] who sort of made that genre, right?
[00:30:01] Like Piculia with Three Days of the Condor
[00:30:04] and Palak, Parallax View and Clute,
[00:30:06] I think is the like Paranoia trilogy or something, right?
[00:30:08] Correct, yeah.
[00:30:10] So yeah, it's-
[00:30:10] Clute coming up on the Roy Scheider podcast.
[00:30:13] On the Roy Scheider, I'm gonna retroactively pretend
[00:30:16] that I planned that where it's like,
[00:30:17] oh, right as we're coming up to start recording
[00:30:20] the episode for Clute, we're gonna watch
[00:30:22] a Jalen J. Picula film, it's gonna be great,
[00:30:24] even though I picked this in January before Roy Scheider
[00:30:28] had even been selected as the-
[00:30:29] Had even been twinkling our eyes.
[00:30:32] But yeah, and just a movie, Denzel Washington
[00:30:36] and Julie Roberts just like, I don't know,
[00:30:38] this feels like the, you know, one of those,
[00:30:40] we used to have movies, never forgot,
[00:30:42] never forget what they took from us.
[00:30:43] We don't get movies like this anymore,
[00:30:45] kind of movies.
[00:30:46] And I really loved it, so I thought you would love it.
[00:30:48] And so here it is on my mic.
[00:30:51] Well, I will say unfortunately, Mike, I didn't love it.
[00:30:53] So here's the thing, I re-watched it.
[00:30:55] I don't know if I love it either.
[00:30:56] Really?
[00:30:58] It's a little long, you know?
[00:31:00] It's really long.
[00:31:01] Pelican brief.
[00:31:03] More like the Pelican two hours and 20 minutes.
[00:31:06] Yeah, that's maybe the thing.
[00:31:08] I think I was so enamored with it.
[00:31:10] We don't have these anymore the first time I watched it.
[00:31:12] And then I watched it again and I was like,
[00:31:14] oh maybe we should've cut this down a little.
[00:31:17] That's it, I did enjoy it.
[00:31:19] I didn't dislike the movie.
[00:31:20] I had a fine time with it.
[00:31:21] You know, I enjoyed the film.
[00:31:22] I'm glad you made me watch it.
[00:31:24] You know, it's a Denzel Julia Roberts
[00:31:26] that I hadn't seen before.
[00:31:27] And I think my biggest takeaway from this movie
[00:31:29] is not necessarily, I mean, yes, it's cool that like,
[00:31:32] you know, this movie exists
[00:31:33] and we don't really make a lot of movies like this anymore.
[00:31:35] That's great.
[00:31:36] But like, we also don't have movie stars.
[00:31:39] That's so true.
[00:31:41] And that's what really powers the Pelican brief
[00:31:43] is you got Denzel Washington
[00:31:44] and you got Julia Roberts doing their thing.
[00:31:47] You know what else?
[00:31:47] And they're both terrific in it.
[00:31:48] They're both great.
[00:31:49] We don't have movie stars
[00:31:50] and sort of like what you were talking about before,
[00:31:52] we also don't have 100 character actors.
[00:31:57] Everyone else in this movie is like,
[00:31:59] oh, shit, it's that guy.
[00:32:00] Even if you don't know their name.
[00:32:01] There's so many of them in this movie.
[00:32:03] Like John Lutkow shows up for 10 minutes
[00:32:05] and the other lawyers that, like the, that's,
[00:32:10] oh man, I can't remember anybody's name.
[00:32:12] The guy Garcia, like the informant guy
[00:32:14] that he works for that is on the phone
[00:32:17] with Denzel at the end or he's like,
[00:32:18] well, you're going to sue you till soon.
[00:32:19] They're going to sue you.
[00:32:20] Oh, and the Washington Post
[00:32:21] by the end of this movie, the thing.
[00:32:22] It's Jake Weber as the actor's name.
[00:32:24] That guy, he's in everything.
[00:32:25] Like it's just a bunch of dudes like that.
[00:32:27] He's the dude from Dawn of the Dead.
[00:32:28] Right. Exactly.
[00:32:30] Yeah.
[00:32:31] It's all coming together.
[00:32:34] Yes, no.
[00:32:35] And yeah, we need more movie stars.
[00:32:36] We need more great character actors.
[00:32:37] I mean, we did have, you know,
[00:32:39] we had Oppenheimer last year,
[00:32:40] which as we talked about pretty extensively,
[00:32:43] that's a big that guy movie.
[00:32:45] It's been 20 years since we've had so many
[00:32:47] that guys in a movie as the Pelican Brief.
[00:32:51] You only 30 years, I mean, 30 years.
[00:32:52] Yeah.
[00:32:53] And it's different, like it feels different
[00:32:54] than like, you know, like West Anderson movies
[00:32:56] often have like a huge ensemble of characters,
[00:32:58] but I think those feel different
[00:33:00] because usually it's the same actors
[00:33:03] that are like our movie to movie.
[00:33:04] And also they're usually like fairly big people.
[00:33:07] Like usually A-list people showing up in the ensemble
[00:33:09] in a West Anderson movie.
[00:33:10] Exactly, yeah.
[00:33:11] You know, you got Tom Hanks
[00:33:12] and Astrid City popping up and all that stuff.
[00:33:14] But you know, Oppenheimer was true like,
[00:33:16] oh, hey, here's Josh Hartnett.
[00:33:18] Here's, you know, all these like-
[00:33:20] David Krumholtz.
[00:33:21] Yeah, David Krumholtz and Robbie Malik's in here.
[00:33:23] And you know, we didn't want him,
[00:33:25] but everybody else is...
[00:33:29] The recurring hatred of Robbie Malik
[00:33:31] continues on this podcast.
[00:33:32] Enemy of the pod.
[00:33:32] Enemy of the pod.
[00:33:36] But yeah, Pelican Brief has that aspect of it.
[00:33:38] And a lot of the movies that you've made me watch
[00:33:40] like Crimson Tide, like for example,
[00:33:42] is another one of those movies where she's like,
[00:33:43] oh yeah, here's a bunch of great actors
[00:33:45] just popping up for, you know,
[00:33:46] bit parts here and there, which is very fun to see.
[00:33:49] But yeah, I enjoyed the Pelican Brief.
[00:33:51] I thought it was solid enough,
[00:33:52] but yeah, it does feel very long.
[00:33:54] And I think a lot of it is because man,
[00:33:57] it is about a conspiracy that goes all the way to the top.
[00:34:00] And that is inherently exciting.
[00:34:02] That's, you know, one of those things like, oh yeah.
[00:34:04] And I think the premise of the movie starts off great.
[00:34:06] You got these two Supreme Court justices,
[00:34:08] they're both killed by an assassin.
[00:34:10] I'm in.
[00:34:11] That's great.
[00:34:11] This is awesome.
[00:34:13] Sounds great.
[00:34:14] And Julia Roberts kind of figures out,
[00:34:16] writes a legal brief,
[00:34:17] like her theory on why they were killed.
[00:34:20] And turns out she got too close to truth.
[00:34:23] And I love the accidental nature
[00:34:26] by which that gets turned into something official, right?
[00:34:29] She gives it, once she's having an affair
[00:34:30] with her law professor, who's great,
[00:34:33] who is friends with a guy who's like a chief counsel
[00:34:35] in the FBI and he's just like, man, isn't this funny?
[00:34:38] Look at this thing my girlfriend wrote.
[00:34:40] And he's like, oh, interesting.
[00:34:42] And then that's how the brief gets on the radar, right?
[00:34:46] And that's how they know that she got too close.
[00:34:49] Yes.
[00:34:50] And then, you know,
[00:34:51] how many times can you hear the phrase,
[00:34:52] the Pelican Brief, in a single movie?
[00:34:55] It's so funny.
[00:34:56] Also, I assumed that the Pelican Brief
[00:34:59] was like a code for something.
[00:35:01] That's my favorite part.
[00:35:02] I didn't know it was actually about pelicans.
[00:35:04] It's literally about pelicans.
[00:35:07] Yeah, and I mean, I love the kind of control of that.
[00:35:11] Like that knowledge within the movie,
[00:35:13] I think is really interesting of what exactly
[00:35:17] the Pelican Brief is and says and claims
[00:35:20] that has everyone so panicked.
[00:35:22] And I think one of the other very interesting things
[00:35:24] about watching this movie in 2024
[00:35:26] is that it opens with massive like protests
[00:35:30] in front of the Supreme Court, like on the steps.
[00:35:32] And it is all literally the exact same shit
[00:35:35] that everybody is protesting now
[00:35:36] and is the most depressing thing
[00:35:38] I've ever seen in a movie.
[00:35:39] I will say yes to that, but also,
[00:35:43] it's not an organized protest.
[00:35:44] It is the most, like nobody's protesting
[00:35:47] against one thing.
[00:35:48] No.
[00:35:49] You know, this is like,
[00:35:51] this is a protest where it's like,
[00:35:52] oh yeah, here's a protest sign about abortion.
[00:35:54] Right next to them,
[00:35:55] here's a protest sign about gun control.
[00:35:57] Right next, like it's all about different things
[00:35:58] that they're protesting.
[00:35:59] Yeah, right.
[00:36:00] Like age crisis, like literally every,
[00:36:02] like, oh my fucking God.
[00:36:06] Man.
[00:36:07] And yeah, I was watching it with some friends
[00:36:09] that we were like, remember when the idea
[00:36:11] that it went all the way to the top might be scandalous?
[00:36:14] Like...
[00:36:16] And now we're just assuming like,
[00:36:17] oh yeah, everything goes all the way to the top.
[00:36:18] It just does.
[00:36:20] We just know that it did.
[00:36:22] Yes.
[00:36:22] And we're just meant to keep sending emails at work,
[00:36:26] which is crazy to think about.
[00:36:28] So yeah, I mean, it was just very funny watching this movie
[00:36:30] and it pans over that crowd and it's like, oh.
[00:36:32] And there's Greenpeace and like save the,
[00:36:34] like it's like environmental thing.
[00:36:37] It's everything's the exact same.
[00:36:39] And yeah, and the idea that it's all about
[00:36:41] like elicit campaign contributions
[00:36:45] and like all this,
[00:36:46] it's just like sitting there like pulling your hair out.
[00:36:48] Like no.
[00:36:50] People used to care about this thing.
[00:36:52] I don't understand.
[00:36:53] Yeah, and it doesn't,
[00:36:54] what happens to the president at the end of this movie?
[00:36:56] He like, he's going down, right?
[00:36:59] Like...
[00:36:59] Yeah, the brief is comes out.
[00:37:01] He's not running for reelection.
[00:37:03] Right.
[00:37:04] You know, people had shame.
[00:37:05] That's the thing.
[00:37:07] If the exact plot of the Pelican brief
[00:37:10] happened in real life today,
[00:37:12] which I think it has.
[00:37:13] I think it did.
[00:37:14] Yeah, we're living through it right now.
[00:37:15] Yeah.
[00:37:16] You know, like it wouldn't go down that way.
[00:37:18] The president would just be like,
[00:37:19] nope, that didn't happen.
[00:37:20] And then just continue on.
[00:37:21] Yeah.
[00:37:22] Yeah, fake news and doesn't really matter.
[00:37:24] So yeah, we saw what happens when,
[00:37:26] you know, that journalism doesn't care
[00:37:29] or people don't care about your,
[00:37:30] I don't know how to,
[00:37:31] we don't need to get civil war.
[00:37:37] But yeah, I think,
[00:37:38] like I was so blown away the first time
[00:37:41] just because it is like,
[00:37:41] you know, a pretty intense political conspiracy thriller
[00:37:44] thing, but it was kind of long.
[00:37:46] So I don't know.
[00:37:48] Yeah, I mean, I ended up watching this,
[00:37:50] I think I started it at like midnight.
[00:37:52] Well, and yeah, so I finished it at about 2.30.
[00:37:57] I did not check the runtime beforehand
[00:38:00] and I should have, but in my head,
[00:38:01] I was like, this has got to be under two hours.
[00:38:03] It's gotta be a 90 minutes, right?
[00:38:04] Come on.
[00:38:05] And yeah, it's just simply not.
[00:38:06] And the thing is there's some great sequences
[00:38:08] in the movie.
[00:38:09] I think the car explosion sequence is really great.
[00:38:11] The scene of the parking garage is really terrific
[00:38:14] where they're being chased.
[00:38:15] That's a lot of cool stuff like that.
[00:38:17] But like 80% of the movie is mostly people in rooms,
[00:38:22] which is not necessarily a bad thing.
[00:38:23] But I think in this movie it feels a little dull.
[00:38:25] It feels a little dry, you know?
[00:38:26] Yeah, yeah, there's something about,
[00:38:28] also Cynthia Nixon's in the beginning of this movie.
[00:38:30] That's cool.
[00:38:31] But yeah, there's something about this movie
[00:38:33] that it sort of has the things
[00:38:35] that are usually very taught and exciting
[00:38:38] like people going through the stacks
[00:38:40] in a library or like a microfiche
[00:38:43] or whatever they're doing at that.
[00:38:45] They're doing that stuff.
[00:38:46] But maybe there's just too much in between those moments
[00:38:49] that are very exciting.
[00:38:50] I can't even really point to like
[00:38:52] a specifically boring section or anything.
[00:38:54] It's just a lot going on
[00:38:55] because it's a very sprawling conspiracy, I guess.
[00:38:58] Right.
[00:38:59] You know?
[00:38:59] Yeah, and Alan Jepiculia, great filmmaker.
[00:39:02] You know, he like you said, he did the paranoia trilogy.
[00:39:04] It was Clute, Parallax View, all the president's men.
[00:39:07] These are like three all-timer
[00:39:08] 70s thriller movies, right?
[00:39:10] Like these are big.
[00:39:11] And yeah, he worked in other films.
[00:39:13] I think Sovi's Choice was also one of his movies.
[00:39:15] But The Pelican Brief was one of his last films.
[00:39:17] Like this is one of his final films.
[00:39:19] And yeah, to that end, I think he like does
[00:39:21] a very effective job at staging certain sequences
[00:39:24] that are like really intense and really cool.
[00:39:25] But I think there's, you know, less care given perhaps
[00:39:28] to some other sequences that are like,
[00:39:30] oh, this feels flabby.
[00:39:31] I don't know, this feels like it could have been cut down.
[00:39:33] Yeah.
[00:39:33] I mean, it's crazy too in a movie
[00:39:35] to have with Denzel Washington and Julia Roberts
[00:39:38] for like the first hour,
[00:39:40] they're an A and B plot to each other.
[00:39:43] They don't meet up until about halfway through the movie.
[00:39:45] Yeah.
[00:39:46] It takes a real long time before they finally meet
[00:39:47] and discuss what The Pelican Brief is.
[00:39:50] He's like doing a totally other journalism.
[00:39:52] It's got nothing to do with this
[00:39:54] until Julia Roberts' character calls him
[00:39:56] and is like, do you want to be in this movie?
[00:39:58] Yeah, it's like, do you want to be involved in this plot?
[00:40:02] And yeah, and then from there,
[00:40:03] they're great together.
[00:40:04] It's incredible, you know?
[00:40:05] Yeah, yeah, they're really fun together
[00:40:06] and they're both great individually.
[00:40:08] Like this is a very young Denzel Washington.
[00:40:10] Yeah.
[00:40:11] And this is like Julia Roberts
[00:40:12] at the height of her fame too.
[00:40:14] This is like post-pretty woman.
[00:40:15] And so yeah, it's Denzel Washington.
[00:40:17] I think Malcolm X was like the year before this.
[00:40:19] And so yeah, it's a super young Denzel Washington.
[00:40:22] He's killing it.
[00:40:23] He's great to see him in here.
[00:40:25] And yeah, I think they both play off each other really well.
[00:40:28] And I think the last few moments in the movie
[00:40:30] which shows what happens to them afterwards
[00:40:33] are really effective because of how charismatic they are.
[00:40:36] Where Denzel Washington's on the news
[00:40:37] and they're asking him like,
[00:40:38] oh, but you know, who wrote The Pelican Brief?
[00:40:40] And he's like, huh, I'll never say.
[00:40:43] Yeah.
[00:40:44] Yeah, I mean for him to let her to be watching,
[00:40:46] like, I don't know what is that?
[00:40:47] Like Charlie Rose or whatever she's,
[00:40:48] I don't even know what it is.
[00:40:50] And for him to like smile at the camera on the TV set
[00:40:54] and for her to smile at the camera in the movie
[00:40:56] and then just like fade out on her smile
[00:40:58] is like movie stars, man.
[00:41:00] Yeah, and to that end, yeah,
[00:41:02] this is a movie powered by its movie stars.
[00:41:04] This was the 10th highest grossing movie of 1993.
[00:41:08] Wow.
[00:41:09] Look at that.
[00:41:10] So, you're gonna go with the other movies over, Mike?
[00:41:11] I would love to.
[00:41:12] Okay, I think you can guess what number one is.
[00:41:14] Jurassic Park.
[00:41:15] Correct.
[00:41:15] Yeah, number one-
[00:41:16] Man, imagine I said that so confidently
[00:41:18] and it was wrong.
[00:41:19] Yeah, Jurassic Park was the highest grossing movie
[00:41:22] of 1993 also at the time,
[00:41:24] the highest grossing movie ever.
[00:41:25] And then number two is actually a movie
[00:41:28] that we have referenced on the complete works
[00:41:31] because we covered one of this director's other movies.
[00:41:34] Oh man, I don't know.
[00:41:36] I'm not gonna put anything in that together.
[00:41:38] It's a Chris Columbus movie, director of nine months.
[00:41:41] It's nine months.
[00:41:42] It's not nine months.
[00:41:43] But Mrs. Doubtfire is number two.
[00:41:46] And I think when we talked about nine months,
[00:41:48] we were like, man, how crazy is it that Mrs. Doubtfire
[00:41:51] was the second highest grossing movie of the-
[00:41:54] Probably definitely did, yeah.
[00:41:56] So it's Jurassic Park, Mrs. Doubtfire,
[00:41:58] The Fugitive is number three,
[00:42:00] Schindler's List is four, two Spielbergs.
[00:42:02] The Firm is number five,
[00:42:04] another John Grisham adaptation starring Tom Cruise
[00:42:07] in Decent Proposal, Cliff Hanger is number seven.
[00:42:10] Sleepless in Seattle is eight, Philadelphia is nine
[00:42:13] and the Pelican Brief is 10.
[00:42:15] We used to be a society.
[00:42:19] A lot of those are adaptations and stuff, but like-
[00:42:22] I mean really two of them are, right?
[00:42:24] I guess, yeah.
[00:42:25] Jurassic Park is a book adaptation
[00:42:27] that became a huge franchise,
[00:42:28] but it wasn't at the time, right?
[00:42:30] Well, The Firm and also Pelican Brief
[00:42:32] or John Grisham novels.
[00:42:34] Yeah, I guess the book adaptation is sure,
[00:42:35] but I was thinking Jurassic Park and The Fugitive
[00:42:37] or like the two like traditional
[00:42:39] like blockbuster type things here.
[00:42:41] Cliff Hanger also, but that's an original concept.
[00:42:44] Also it's the best movie ever made.
[00:42:47] Did you ever see, you've seen Ace of Interia too, right?
[00:42:49] Yeah, I think we talked about this.
[00:42:51] We've done this before.
[00:42:52] Because was Cliff Hanger, it makes me like watch,
[00:42:55] did you make me watch this for the podcast?
[00:42:57] No, I made you watch Vertical Limit.
[00:42:58] Yeah, you definitely did that too.
[00:43:00] I mean, I watched,
[00:43:01] you know what, I watched Cliff Hanger on my own,
[00:43:02] I think and then I talked about it on the podcast
[00:43:04] and then I screened it as part of Inferno Danger at the Roxy,
[00:43:07] which was a great time.
[00:43:08] I recommend watching Cliff Hanger any time of the year.
[00:43:11] It's a good time.
[00:43:12] Double Lithgow in the top 10, good for him?
[00:43:14] Yeah, big year for John Lithgow.
[00:43:17] Yeah, Double Lithgow, Double Spielberg, yeah, absolutely.
[00:43:19] Double Grishams, that's crazy.
[00:43:21] Double Grishams, yeah.
[00:43:22] Yeah, I guess if you wanna consider
[00:43:23] John Grisham, I franchise The Firm and Pelican Brief.
[00:43:27] So many of his movies
[00:43:28] or so many of his books rather have become movies
[00:43:31] just like Crichton, like it's, you know.
[00:43:32] Yeah, absolutely.
[00:43:34] I think these are like,
[00:43:35] these are kind of the two big ones, right?
[00:43:36] The Firm and the Pelican Brief.
[00:43:38] Yeah, I think so.
[00:43:39] That I can think of off the top of my head
[00:43:40] that like I know these are Grisham
[00:43:42] without having to be like,
[00:43:43] oh, this is a John Grisham book.
[00:43:45] But I know a lot of his books have become movies.
[00:43:48] Right, or I think actually I believe,
[00:43:51] we'll be talking about one of them later, right?
[00:43:53] If I have this correct,
[00:43:55] I have to double check my,
[00:43:56] Ghost Road, My Joker Folly Adieu from the past.
[00:44:00] He's dead right?
[00:44:01] Yeah, I don't even know.
[00:44:03] John Grisham, I have no idea.
[00:44:05] Is John Grisham dead?
[00:44:06] No, John Grisham is very much alive.
[00:44:07] He's 69 years old.
[00:44:09] Come on, Michael.
[00:44:10] Come on, I know Michael Crichton's dead.
[00:44:12] Michael Crichton's dead, yes.
[00:44:13] No, Roy Scheider is in Francis Ford Coppola's
[00:44:17] The Rainmaker, which is a John Grisham adaptation.
[00:44:20] Look at that.
[00:44:20] So yeah, we'll be talking more Grisham in the future.
[00:44:23] But yeah, The Client is a John Grisham movie.
[00:44:26] The Runaway Jury, Skipping Christmas.
[00:44:31] Christmas with the Cranks?
[00:44:32] No, that can't be.
[00:44:33] That's what, yeah, Skipping Christmas became the movie
[00:44:35] Christmas with the Cranks.
[00:44:37] The secret John Grisham adaptation.
[00:44:39] I believe, according to Wikipedia,
[00:44:42] The Christmas with the Cranks
[00:44:43] is the last John Grisham movie.
[00:44:45] Wild.
[00:44:46] Good for him?
[00:44:47] I guess.
[00:44:48] I mean, there could always be more down the line,
[00:44:50] but there was a mini series based on
[00:44:53] The Innocent Man in 2018, so there was that.
[00:44:56] But you know, John Grisham things have to go to TV now.
[00:44:59] They had to become mini series.
[00:45:00] That's right.
[00:45:00] We can't just make The Pelican Brief anymore.
[00:45:02] We gotta do other things.
[00:45:03] We can't just do another talented Mr. Ripley movie.
[00:45:05] We gotta make Ripley, the Netflix.
[00:45:07] Although I heard that rips.
[00:45:08] I have heard that's very good, yes.
[00:45:10] Yeah, I'm excited to watch that.
[00:45:11] But yeah, I mean, it's fun that I accidentally picked
[00:45:15] a movie that has repercussions
[00:45:17] to two Reich Eider projects.
[00:45:19] Yes.
[00:45:20] What was the other one again?
[00:45:21] Clute Down, Jay Perkula and Remaker.
[00:45:23] Yeah, there you go.
[00:45:23] So yeah, more stuff coming down
[00:45:26] that is gonna be related to Pelican Brief for sure.
[00:45:28] Other scenes, so you rewatch this.
[00:45:30] I mean, other scenes that San Ati might have a Pelican Brief
[00:45:33] in this that we should talk about?
[00:45:34] I mean, Stanley Tucci is awesome.
[00:45:36] Yeah, he is the assassin.
[00:45:38] He's a very convincing, but problematically
[00:45:42] Middle Eastern assassin.
[00:45:45] But he's scary as hell when he puts on that fake ass
[00:45:49] blonde wig to look just like a DC guy.
[00:45:55] And he kills the Supreme Court Justice
[00:45:57] and then also the guy in the porn theater
[00:45:59] when he strangles him with a rope.
[00:46:00] That was cool.
[00:46:01] Yes, was that not the other?
[00:46:02] That's the Supreme Court Justice.
[00:46:03] Okay, yes, okay.
[00:46:05] So that's fun.
[00:46:06] And yeah, and then when he replaces,
[00:46:08] he kills and replaces John Hurd's character
[00:46:10] to like a meat derby,
[00:46:12] to meat Julia Roberts at the pier.
[00:46:14] But the CIA is protecting her, I think.
[00:46:16] Somebody is protecting her.
[00:46:17] I don't know, kills him instead.
[00:46:20] Rules, it's intense.
[00:46:21] Yeah, that's all great stuff.
[00:46:22] Yeah, I loved Stanley Tucci popping up in this.
[00:46:24] And yeah, he gets a lot of the most
[00:46:25] 10 sequences in the movie, which are fun.
[00:46:28] I will say, my favorite thing about having
[00:46:30] and watched the Pelican Brief is now,
[00:46:32] I can go back to the episode of 30 Rock
[00:46:34] where they keep referencing the Pelican Brief.
[00:46:36] Okay, that would be a 30 Rock episode, sure.
[00:46:39] Yeah, it's a recurring bit on an episode of 30 Rock
[00:46:42] where people keep working the Pelican Brief
[00:46:43] into conversation.
[00:46:46] Where the old man revealed being like,
[00:46:47] oh, it's been playing on Showtime a lot recently.
[00:46:49] Amazing.
[00:46:50] And so everybody's just been watching the Pelican Brief
[00:46:51] but there's like a moment early in the episode
[00:46:53] where Jack is like having kind of like,
[00:46:56] handle something discreet on the phone
[00:46:57] and kind of it's like, I feel like I'm in the Pelican Brief.
[00:47:01] Do I already know too much?
[00:47:05] Amazing.
[00:47:05] So yeah, there's that.
[00:47:06] Honestly, the references aren't like,
[00:47:08] they're not like hyper specific to the movie.
[00:47:09] So it's not like it's gonna be,
[00:47:10] I'm gonna get more out of them
[00:47:12] but it's just gonna be fun to be like,
[00:47:13] oh, now I've seen the Pelican Brief.
[00:47:14] I know that Julia and Denzel are in the movie.
[00:47:16] So now you can work the 30 Rock referencing
[00:47:19] the Pelican, referencing Pelican Brief
[00:47:21] into your conversation,
[00:47:22] the way they work Pelican Brief
[00:47:24] into the conversation in 30 Rock.
[00:47:27] Exactly.
[00:47:28] There's many layers to this.
[00:47:29] Yeah, you know too much.
[00:47:30] Yeah, exactly.
[00:47:31] All right, any other random Pelican Brief thoughts, Mike?
[00:47:34] I liked it.
[00:47:34] I had a good time with that.
[00:47:35] I'm glad you made me watch it.
[00:47:36] You know, I'm happy to cross off another
[00:47:38] Alan J. Peculi film off my list that I hadn't seen.
[00:47:41] It doesn't quite hit the heights of
[00:47:42] his three paranoia films from the 70s
[00:47:45] but it's him kind of playing the hits a little bit
[00:47:47] and that's kind of fun.
[00:47:48] Yeah, it did make me kind of want to watch
[00:47:50] Dark Water, is that what it's called?
[00:47:52] The Mark Ruffalo Todd Haines movie.
[00:47:54] Yeah, Teflon movie or whatever it is.
[00:47:56] Which that movie rules, that movie's great.
[00:47:58] Yeah, I've seen that already
[00:48:00] but I ended up watching this kind of late.
[00:48:02] Or maybe, I don't remember,
[00:48:03] I didn't have a time to watch that movie right afterwards
[00:48:07] but another thing they knew.
[00:48:09] They knew.
[00:48:10] Goes all the way to the top.
[00:48:11] Yes, one of the very few that had been made
[00:48:13] in the last few years.
[00:48:14] That got a theatrical release
[00:48:16] and all that kind of stuff.
[00:48:17] I don't know, what are other good examples
[00:48:18] of like this kind of movie, Mike?
[00:48:20] It's like Spotlight kind of.
[00:48:22] Sure.
[00:48:22] It's a journalism movie.
[00:48:25] I mean, I guess they knew
[00:48:26] all the way to the top of the church, right?
[00:48:28] It's not necessarily like a government conspiracy.
[00:48:31] All right, I found a letterbox list
[00:48:34] that is called They Knew.
[00:48:37] Incredible.
[00:48:38] You know what it is?
[00:48:39] Like it is the hits
[00:48:40] but like people being chased through a parking garage,
[00:48:43] inherently exciting.
[00:48:44] Sure, yeah, absolutely.
[00:48:45] And of course you get that
[00:48:46] and all the presidents men and other stuff too
[00:48:48] but yeah, it's good to see.
[00:48:49] In the list, Dark Water is number one movie in the list.
[00:48:51] Got it.
[00:48:52] In the letterbox.
[00:48:53] Spotlight also here, Spielberg's The Post.
[00:48:56] The Big Shorts, Vice, I don't know if Vice counts.
[00:48:59] I don't know, it's just a biopic about Dick Cheney.
[00:49:01] Yeah, maybe a second.
[00:49:02] Fahrenheit 9-11, I guess?
[00:49:04] I guess.
[00:49:05] That's our real life they knew but yeah.
[00:49:09] Snowden with Joseph Gordon Levitt.
[00:49:10] We talked about that movie once.
[00:49:11] We talked about that movie.
[00:49:12] What's the name of Nicholas Cage's in it?
[00:49:14] Nicholas Cage's in it.
[00:49:14] All the presidents men is here.
[00:49:16] Chernobyl, the TV show.
[00:49:18] Yeah, I guess.
[00:49:19] Yeah, I never watched it but I heard it was good.
[00:49:21] Great, appreciate it.
[00:49:22] Can it make Max watch be a five hour TV show?
[00:49:25] Who's to say?
[00:49:26] Sort of like a five hour movie.
[00:49:28] Aaron Brockovich is in here.
[00:49:31] Yeah, I don't know.
[00:49:32] I'm not sure if this list really effectively captures
[00:49:34] that they knew as much as I want to.
[00:49:36] Three days of the Condor.
[00:49:37] Well yeah, three days of the Condor definitely.
[00:49:39] I mean all those 70s paranoia films
[00:49:41] would probably be in there.
[00:49:42] Yeah, good stuff.
[00:49:43] Yeah, three days, I've told the story
[00:49:45] three days of the Condor about the mailman's shoes
[00:49:48] in that movie and my dad really likes that
[00:49:49] because he was a mailman.
[00:49:51] When they send the assassin dressed as a mailman.
[00:49:55] Right, they got the shoes right.
[00:49:56] No, the shoes are wrong.
[00:49:57] Oh, that's the thing.
[00:49:58] Robert Redford looks down and realizes
[00:50:00] that the guy's wearing brown shoes
[00:50:01] but mailmen are always wearing black shoes
[00:50:03] and that's how he knows he's an assassin.
[00:50:05] And my dad, a former letter carrier
[00:50:07] really appreciated that detail.
[00:50:11] So that's an insight into the mind of a dad.
[00:50:13] There you go, I love that.
[00:50:14] That's fantastic.
[00:50:15] That's in three days of the Condor you said?
[00:50:17] That's three days of the Condor.
[00:50:18] Okay, I've seen that but it's been a while.
[00:50:20] It's between he's staying at Faith Downaway's apartment.
[00:50:23] She's like, oh, you got a package you got a sign for
[00:50:24] and he's got brown shoes on, dead giveaway.
[00:50:26] There you go, there it is.
[00:50:28] All right, I think we can start wrapping up
[00:50:29] this episode, Mike.
[00:50:30] I think we can call it a day.
[00:50:31] We're talking about the colors of shoes.
[00:50:33] Don't you want to talk more about?
[00:50:34] I think we're done.
[00:50:37] Yes, all right.
[00:50:38] That is the Pelican Breave and Mistress America
[00:50:41] and another Mike Makes Mike Watch completed.
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[00:51:50] Yeah, all right.
[00:51:51] I went to the movies twice in the last week.
[00:51:53] That's crazy.
[00:51:53] There you go.
[00:51:54] We have a brief preview of our Civil War thoughts
[00:51:57] in this episode,
[00:51:58] but maybe we'll go more in-depth on that movie
[00:52:00] in our discussions episode next week.
[00:52:02] So yeah, look forward to that.
[00:52:03] And also the first omen.
[00:52:04] We gotta talk about the first omen, baby.
[00:52:05] We've gotta talk about the first omen.
[00:52:07] What a picture.
[00:52:08] Great movie.
[00:52:09] You like Possession?
[00:52:10] You like Rosemary's Baby?
[00:52:11] Go see the first omen.
[00:52:13] And don't...
[00:52:14] But not the first omen, the first omen.
[00:52:15] Yes.
[00:52:16] Watch the first omen too.
[00:52:17] It's a pretty good movie.
[00:52:18] The first omen too.
[00:52:20] I can't keep up.
[00:52:24] Yeah, one of my favorite things about the first...
[00:52:26] Somebody pointed this out on Twitter
[00:52:27] and I forget who, but says...
[00:52:30] Somebody pointed this out on Twitter.
[00:52:31] One of my favorite things about...
[00:52:31] There's this moment in the first omen
[00:52:33] that is a direct homage to a scene in Possession
[00:52:35] where she's like kind of freaking out,
[00:52:37] flailing around and all that kind of stuff
[00:52:38] and both about the same thing,
[00:52:40] about this baby that's growing inside her.
[00:52:41] And in Possession, it's a baby Sam Neill.
[00:52:44] It's his baby that she's gonna be giving birth to, right?
[00:52:48] In the first omen, she's giving birth to Damien.
[00:52:51] You know, spoilers.
[00:52:53] I mean, it's called the first omen.
[00:52:54] You got it.
[00:52:55] Sam Neill played Damien in the omen 3.
[00:52:57] Whoa.
[00:52:59] Crazy.
[00:53:00] The movies are back.
[00:53:01] The same Neila versus Alive and Well
[00:53:04] in modern cinema.
[00:53:06] Incredible.
[00:53:08] So yeah, we'll be talking about that and more next week
[00:53:10] in discussions.
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