In the wake of Akira Toriyama's death, Mike and Mike received another Ko-fi donation to talk about another Dragon Ball movie - this time around, we're talking DRAGON BALL Z: BATTLE OF GODS, the 2013 film which became the basis for the first season of Dragon Ball Super!
[00:00:00] Let's get together and talk about the movies that we saw this week.
[00:00:04] We'll have discussions, talk film news, we'll laugh a lot and act like freaks.
[00:00:07] Sometimes we'll have a guest or two sometimes it's just the two of us.
[00:00:09] We'll crack some jokes and tell some folks to come along and hang with us!
[00:00:12] Mike and Mike go To The Movies
[00:00:17] Mike and Mike go To The Movies
[00:00:22] Yeah!
[00:00:25] You have chosen wise.
[00:00:28] Last time on Mike and Mike Z!
[00:00:31] Mike and Mike were given a kofi donation to discuss Dragon Ball Super Broly,
[00:00:34] which ignited a conversation between noted Dragon Ball Scholar Mike Smith
[00:00:38] and Dragon Ball Neophyte Mike Decrecio,
[00:00:41] who after recording that episode did watch a little bit of the original Dragon Ball series.
[00:00:46] Now time has passed and after the death of Akira Toriyama
[00:00:50] another kofi donation has come in to make us watch another Dragon Ball movie.
[00:00:55] All this and more today on Mike and Mike Go To The Movies!
[00:00:59] That was pretty good.
[00:01:00] Thank you. I've watched a lot of Dragon Ball Z in my time.
[00:01:03] I guess that's fair.
[00:01:05] I've nailed the narrator voice by now.
[00:01:07] I'm Mike Smith and joining me as always is a God of destruction
[00:01:10] who can easily be distracted by pudding.
[00:01:12] Mike Decrecio.
[00:01:13] How you doing there, Mike?
[00:01:14] I think that might be the most accurate bit you've come up with about me.
[00:01:21] But I'm great.
[00:01:22] How are you?
[00:01:22] I'm good. I'm good.
[00:01:23] How are you feeling about doing another Dragon Ball episode?
[00:01:25] Pretty excited, especially after that rousing intro you did.
[00:01:28] That was so exciting.
[00:01:30] Hopefully Kyle can add something like the Dragon Ball background music to that's a place behind.
[00:01:34] But not enough to get a copyright strike.
[00:01:36] Right. That's true. Maybe he can compose his own.
[00:01:39] We certainly...
[00:01:40] Legally distinct epic background music.
[00:01:44] Yes, but yeah, we are doing another Dragon Ball episode today
[00:01:47] because we got another kofi donation.
[00:01:49] So last week we did a Star Trek First Contact episode
[00:01:52] because we got $50 from Kofi.
[00:01:54] This week we're talking about another Dragon Ball movie
[00:01:56] thanks to another Kofi donation from the same person who made us watch
[00:01:59] Dragon Ball Super Broly a few months back.
[00:02:01] Yes, the roommate of our beloved artist, MacVie.
[00:02:04] Her roommate hooked us up.
[00:02:06] Aaron, I think.
[00:02:07] So shout out to Aaron.
[00:02:09] I should have double checked, I guess.
[00:02:10] But I'm pretty sure that's what it is.
[00:02:12] And yeah, big, big Dragon Ball guy.
[00:02:14] And yeah, like you said in the beginning,
[00:02:16] sort of like a tribute to the Akira Toriyama,
[00:02:19] the creator and artist and everything for Dragon Ball
[00:02:22] passed away recently.
[00:02:23] And so he wanted us to watch another one of their movies.
[00:02:25] Yeah, and I was of course very excited by that prospect
[00:02:28] and I will gladly watch as many Dragon Ball movies
[00:02:30] as people are willing to donate $50 to the fuck.
[00:02:34] I was pretty shocked actually when you go on Letterbox
[00:02:37] and you just like do you Dragon Ball?
[00:02:39] There's a lot of movies.
[00:02:41] I don't think I knew that.
[00:02:42] Yeah, I think there's...
[00:02:43] So this is like the first big movie I think
[00:02:46] that we're going to be talking about today.
[00:02:48] But there were like a bunch of like one hour specials,
[00:02:51] like those kind of movies.
[00:02:52] Okay, that makes sense.
[00:02:53] Yeah.
[00:02:54] That were like kind of coming out in tandem with the TV show,
[00:02:56] which almost all of them are available on Crunchyroll right now,
[00:03:01] which I now have a Crunchyroll account
[00:03:03] because Funimation got absorbed into Crunchyroll.
[00:03:05] Yes.
[00:03:06] And so I've been doing my Dragon Ball rewatch
[00:03:07] and I'm in deep into the Frieza saga now.
[00:03:10] I'm like three episodes away from Goku
[00:03:12] becoming a Super Saiyan for the first time.
[00:03:14] Very excited about that.
[00:03:15] Whoa.
[00:03:17] But yeah, so all my stuff got moved over to Crunchyroll.
[00:03:20] I logged in and everything worked fine
[00:03:22] and everything got like transferred over
[00:03:23] like including my continue watching and everything like...
[00:03:26] Oh wow.
[00:03:27] Which is pretty cool.
[00:03:28] And I was a little ambivalent about it at first,
[00:03:30] but they actually have almost all of the Dragon Ball movies
[00:03:33] on Crunchyroll except for the one
[00:03:35] we're talking about today.
[00:03:39] Incredible.
[00:03:40] Which was pretty funny.
[00:03:41] But yeah, so we're talking about Dragon Ball today
[00:03:43] and we should also recap,
[00:03:44] we talked about this last week,
[00:03:46] we are moving the podcast.
[00:03:48] Yes.
[00:03:49] Mike McGon in the movies is going to sort of
[00:03:51] cease existence on this feed,
[00:03:54] the Mike and Mike feed.
[00:03:55] It's going to become bonus episodes
[00:03:57] to the Complete Works.
[00:03:58] So we'll still be doing Mike and Mike episodes
[00:03:59] once every two weeks
[00:04:01] and up until the new season of the Complete Works starts
[00:04:03] it'll still be weekly.
[00:04:04] But yeah, if you haven't subscribed
[00:04:06] over to the Complete Works feed for podcasts
[00:04:08] you should do that
[00:04:09] because that's where Mike's gonna be.
[00:04:10] Yes, we're moving much like
[00:04:12] Crunchyroll Absorbed Funimation
[00:04:15] except these are both things that we make
[00:04:17] so it's not at all like that.
[00:04:18] But yeah, we're combining the feeds
[00:04:20] we're gonna be only releasing in the future
[00:04:22] only on the Complete Works feed
[00:04:23] so make sure you go subscribe over there.
[00:04:25] Yes, can you hear my dog barking in the background?
[00:04:27] I cannot.
[00:04:28] Okay, great.
[00:04:29] That's fantastic.
[00:04:32] I'd love to hear that.
[00:04:33] Good job audio software.
[00:04:35] Yes, very, very good.
[00:04:36] Yes, so if you have not subscribed
[00:04:37] to the Complete Works feed do so
[00:04:39] and yeah, today we are talking
[00:04:41] about Dragon Ball so before we get into the movie
[00:04:43] that we're talking to that today
[00:04:45] Mike D, you started watching Dragon Ball
[00:04:48] a little bit after we talked
[00:04:50] about Dragon Ball super Broly.
[00:04:52] I'm just curious how far did you get
[00:04:53] when watching the show?
[00:04:54] I think last time I said 10 episodes
[00:04:56] when we talked about this
[00:04:57] but I don't think I even made it 10 episodes.
[00:04:59] Okay.
[00:05:00] I don't really remember.
[00:05:01] I watched maybe like, you know,
[00:05:03] definitely like four or five
[00:05:04] and was enjoying it
[00:05:05] but then just every time I would open it
[00:05:07] I would look and be like,
[00:05:08] oh, this is 100 gigs
[00:05:09] because it was always the complete
[00:05:11] Dragon Ball series, like franchise
[00:05:13] or whatever that I had downloaded.
[00:05:14] So I was watching just the Dragon Ball stuff
[00:05:16] like they're very first series.
[00:05:19] Yeah.
[00:05:20] But I had Z and I had Super
[00:05:21] and everything queued up
[00:05:22] and I was just like, you know
[00:05:23] this might be too much
[00:05:24] and I just pulled the ripcord.
[00:05:26] This is too big of a time commitment.
[00:05:28] This is too scary to look at.
[00:05:29] So maybe if I do one season at a time
[00:05:31] it'd be easier to like actually get through
[00:05:33] because I'm not looking at, you know
[00:05:35] whatever, 300 episodes
[00:05:37] I'm looking at 13 or 20 or whatever a season is.
[00:05:40] It's a less daunting task.
[00:05:42] Yes.
[00:05:43] So, but I had fun.
[00:05:44] I liked it and it was cool
[00:05:45] because you know, I don't,
[00:05:46] like we talked about when we talked about Broly
[00:05:48] you know, I watched Dragon Ball as a kid
[00:05:50] on TUNAMI and all that stuff
[00:05:52] and really liked it
[00:05:54] Dragon Ball Z specifically at that time.
[00:05:56] I was having fun with that
[00:05:57] but I don't really remember any of it.
[00:05:59] You know, it's probably been since like,
[00:06:00] I don't know, fifth or sixth grade
[00:06:01] or something at that point
[00:06:02] when I was like actually watching it
[00:06:04] since then.
[00:06:05] So having a little bit of familiarity
[00:06:08] from just those five episodes to be like,
[00:06:10] oh that's Emperor Pilaf.
[00:06:11] Oh, that's the pig guy.
[00:06:13] You know, like whatever
[00:06:15] other than the big iconic, you know,
[00:06:17] like Goku and Piccolo and Vegeta
[00:06:18] and like all those guys.
[00:06:19] Sure, yeah.
[00:06:20] I recognized.
[00:06:21] So that was fun in going into this movie
[00:06:22] and then also
[00:06:23] Beerus is in Broly
[00:06:25] and he's like, oh, this is neat.
[00:06:26] This is like his introduction.
[00:06:27] Yeah.
[00:06:28] It's all coming together.
[00:06:29] Yes, it's all coming together
[00:06:30] and we are going to talk about it
[00:06:32] in depth right now.
[00:06:33] It's time to talk about
[00:06:35] Dragon Ball Z
[00:06:36] Battle of Gods.
[00:06:38] Long ago, a small group of purehearted Saiyans
[00:06:42] pooled their powers to create a savior,
[00:06:44] a Super Saiyan God.
[00:06:55] Lord Beerus, it's time.
[00:06:56] Time to wake up.
[00:06:57] Did you not prophesize
[00:06:59] that in 39 years' time
[00:07:01] an arch-rival worthy of me would appear?
[00:07:03] A great Saiyan.
[00:07:05] He answers to both the names Kakarot
[00:07:07] and Goku.
[00:07:10] So, can I take it this means
[00:07:12] you intend to pay a visit to the Saiyans?
[00:07:14] I must track down
[00:07:15] this so-called Super Saiyan.
[00:07:18] A fascinating adversary is due to emerge.
[00:07:21] Just go back to where you came from.
[00:07:26] Go ahead and come at me
[00:07:28] with everything you've got.
[00:07:30] Let's kick things up a notch, yeah?
[00:07:32] Master!
[00:07:37] I don't think it was possible.
[00:07:39] You're a true prodigy
[00:07:40] like you I've ever seen.
[00:07:42] A Super Saiyan God.
[00:07:45] This ends now.
[00:07:47] Eva, I'd accept your planet's fate.
[00:07:53] Looks like they're wrapping it up.
[00:07:55] It's all over now.
[00:07:57] Damn it!
[00:08:00] I am a Saiyan that was raised on planet Earth!
[00:08:05] I will defeat you!
[00:08:09] So tell me, how does it feel becoming a God?
[00:08:17] Alright, that was some of the trailer
[00:08:19] for Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods from 2013
[00:08:22] directed by Masahiro Hosada.
[00:08:24] And yeah, we were actually given the choice
[00:08:26] between two different Dragon Ball movies
[00:08:28] to watch for this episode from our Kofi Donator.
[00:08:31] And basically he said we could watch
[00:08:33] either this movie, Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods
[00:08:35] or Dragon Ball Super Super Hero
[00:08:37] which is the most recent Dragon Ball movie.
[00:08:39] I remember when that one came out
[00:08:41] because that was coming out right about the time
[00:08:43] I started my Dragon Ball rewatch.
[00:08:45] That was about two years ago.
[00:08:47] To recap, I've always been a big Dragon Ball fan.
[00:08:50] I was mostly a DBZ kid
[00:08:52] because that's what was on TV all the time
[00:08:54] when we were kids.
[00:08:55] For whatever reason the original Dragon Ball
[00:08:57] was so often. It was always Dragon Ball Z.
[00:08:59] Which is weird because it's like the second part of the story.
[00:09:01] Like you're missing the entire origin of Goku
[00:09:03] and all that stuff.
[00:09:05] Yeah, but I guess you mostly get it, right?
[00:09:07] Oh yeah, I mean they recap it a lot
[00:09:09] and all that kind of stuff.
[00:09:10] But it is weird watching Dragon Ball Z
[00:09:12] where like three episodes
[00:09:14] into this new show, Dragon Ball Z,
[00:09:16] Goku dies.
[00:09:19] And it turns out he's an alien
[00:09:21] and he has like a long lost brother
[00:09:23] who's evil and all that kind of stuff
[00:09:25] and all this stuff gets dumped on you
[00:09:27] in the first two or three episodes of Dragon Ball Z.
[00:09:29] And if you are just jumping into the show
[00:09:31] that's wild, but like if you have all the context
[00:09:33] with the previous 180 episodes
[00:09:35] of Dragon Ball it's like whoa!
[00:09:37] Yeah.
[00:09:39] So yeah, that's always fun.
[00:09:41] I forget where I was going with that. The point is...
[00:09:43] That TVZ was what was on when we were kids.
[00:09:45] Exactly, yeah.
[00:09:46] And so I was watching Dragon Ball
[00:09:48] right around the time Dragon Ball Super Super Hero came out
[00:09:50] and I was considering going to see it in theaters
[00:09:52] and I didn't because I was like
[00:09:54] you know I'm going to watch it when I get to the end
[00:09:56] of this whole Dragon Ball watch
[00:09:58] because I've never watched Dragon Ball Super.
[00:10:00] I still haven't. Up-update to the episode
[00:10:02] from a few months ago, I still have yet to watch
[00:10:04] Dragon Ball Super because I'm watching Dragon Ball Z first.
[00:10:06] Yeah, you haven't gotten there.
[00:10:08] Gotta get through Z and it's going to be a while
[00:10:10] because Dragon Ball Z is very long.
[00:10:12] I'm at the tail end of season three.
[00:10:14] There are nine seasons.
[00:10:16] My god.
[00:10:18] Several hundred episodes to go.
[00:10:20] So it's going to be a while until I get to Super.
[00:10:22] Hero because Dragon Ball Super Broly.
[00:10:24] I mean, I got it. I really enjoyed it.
[00:10:26] But it was one of those things where it's like,
[00:10:27] huh man, I feel like I'm jumping right into the middle
[00:10:29] of the story that I haven't gotten to yet.
[00:10:31] And Super Hero I think would probably feel the same way
[00:10:33] where Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods is like,
[00:10:35] okay this picks up after Dragon Ball Z
[00:10:37] but before Dragon Ball Super. Perfect.
[00:10:39] I got that.
[00:10:41] Easy. I know that timeline down.
[00:10:43] Yeah, I mean and honestly just like to talk about
[00:10:45] the movie is a battle of gods
[00:10:47] compared to Broly.
[00:10:49] This movie starts with like you know
[00:10:51] recap like it. Yeah.
[00:10:53] Of what happened to Dragon Ball Z for the most part I think.
[00:10:55] Yeah, I think this is a better introduction
[00:10:57] to Dragon Ball than Dragon Ball Super Broly was.
[00:11:00] Absolutely. For me, yeah.
[00:11:02] I had a lot of fun especially because it seems like
[00:11:04] by the time Super is coming around things are
[00:11:06] like a little different and like there's some
[00:11:08] different continuities or whatever.
[00:11:10] So I remember us talking about that being like,
[00:11:12] well I thought this guy was this and it's like
[00:11:14] a little bit different in Broly.
[00:11:16] But in DBZ this is sort of like what I'm familiar with
[00:11:18] like big old air quotes I'm familiar.
[00:11:20] Right.
[00:11:22] But it's offered to have it to have for it to have that
[00:11:24] couple of minutes like oh and then they met
[00:11:26] they met Bulma and then Vegeta and like you know
[00:11:28] there's like just the bat they bought they fought
[00:11:30] I can't remember any other names now.
[00:11:32] Yeah, Frieza, Saddle, Boo, yeah all that stuff.
[00:11:34] All that stuff. So they recap all that
[00:11:36] and then you have and then the movie starts
[00:11:38] and that's fun. Yeah and I also think this is
[00:11:40] more I think Super Dragon Ball Super Broly
[00:11:42] I really enjoyed but it is a weirdly structured
[00:11:44] movie where you know you're watching
[00:11:46] like a half hour of the Saiyans plan to get
[00:11:48] destroyed and then you're watching a half hour of
[00:11:50] Broly on his own planet and then you finally
[00:11:52] get to like Goku and Vegeta
[00:11:54] like 45 minutes into the movie
[00:11:56] Right.
[00:11:58] And they basically have like
[00:12:00] the events of Dragon Ball Super Broly take place
[00:12:02] over like the course of an afternoon
[00:12:04] and you know they're there for that one big
[00:12:06] fight and that's kind of it. Like that's the whole
[00:12:08] movie. It's fun, liked it a lot
[00:12:10] but this feels like a more like full
[00:12:12] I mean I guess this also takes place over the
[00:12:14] afternoon. That's very does. Yeah.
[00:12:16] It's all taking place at Bulma's birthday party
[00:12:18] but I don't know I liked that
[00:12:20] it feels like a more fully formed
[00:12:22] thing. I mean A, I think it's
[00:12:24] more fun so this was like this is
[00:12:26] after Dragon Ball Z was off the air it was before
[00:12:28] Dragon Ball Super started actually this movie
[00:12:30] is the basis for the first season of
[00:12:32] Dragon Ball Super. Oh really? Yeah.
[00:12:34] So there were two Dragon Ball Z movies in the 2010s
[00:12:36] it was this and Resurrection F
[00:12:38] which is where they bring back Frieza
[00:12:40] and then these two movies became like the
[00:12:42] first and second seasons of Dragon Ball Super
[00:12:44] like they just kind of took these movies and then
[00:12:46] expanded them. Huh. Like just kind of
[00:12:48] like change the plot a little bit or whatever
[00:12:50] so that's also part of why I wanted to watch
[00:12:52] this one because it's like well I'm going to go to Dragon Ball Super
[00:12:54] and I'll be like oh I'll be able to see how it
[00:12:56] expanded you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:12:58] Turn into a thing. So like technically I think
[00:13:00] the movie is like sort of considered non-canon
[00:13:02] because they do it again in Dragon Ball
[00:13:04] Super. Right, that makes sense.
[00:13:06] But yeah this was like the first
[00:13:08] post Dragon Ball Z movie
[00:13:10] and it had been a while since there had been any
[00:13:12] Dragon Ball stuff and I do remember this
[00:13:14] coming out and a few of my friends being excited
[00:13:16] for it and I think if I was a little
[00:13:18] bit younger or a little bit older I would have been all about
[00:13:20] it but it was just like it came out when I was 20
[00:13:22] I was too cool for Dragon Ball Z. Right and it's
[00:13:24] where you care what other people think so you
[00:13:26] can't yeah. Exactly
[00:13:28] you know I was deep in my
[00:13:30] I was watching you know Tokyo
[00:13:32] story of my film class I
[00:13:34] didn't have time for Dragon Ball Z battle of guns.
[00:13:36] I have cinema to watch.
[00:13:38] Yes now we realize
[00:13:40] that Dragon Ball Z battle of gods is what cinema
[00:13:42] is all about. That's right.
[00:13:44] Correct, his hair is pink in this one it's what
[00:13:46] cinema is for. Exactly.
[00:13:48] Yeah but I did
[00:13:50] find that the this movie did
[00:13:52] feel easier to follow
[00:13:54] compared to Broly. Yeah.
[00:13:56] It's just like a long a plot sense
[00:13:58] not that we're going to compare it to Broly I guess the whole time but
[00:14:00] sure but Broly is also
[00:14:02] like much deeper in Dragon Ball lore
[00:14:04] that you kind of have to be familiar with right?
[00:14:06] Yeah and this one starting
[00:14:08] with basically just like
[00:14:10] a slice of life birthday party for
[00:14:12] like 30 minutes or whatever.
[00:14:14] Yeah it's most of the movie is like hanging out at
[00:14:16] bonus party it rules. It's so much
[00:14:18] fun.
[00:14:20] Yeah and Lord Beerus is
[00:14:22] awesome and I remember him showing up in Broly
[00:14:24] right but he's on the team already
[00:14:26] or something. I think in Broly
[00:14:28] he's like just hanging out by the pool like
[00:14:30] while Goku and Vegeta are fighting. Yeah
[00:14:32] that's right. Something like that which like
[00:14:34] I don't know exactly how we get to there from here
[00:14:36] but like it kind of tracks
[00:14:38] based on Beerus in this movie
[00:14:40] I can see him at that point. Yes
[00:14:42] Absolutely. So he's really cool
[00:14:44] and just the whole idea that he's
[00:14:46] the god of destruction and all that stuff
[00:14:48] he's so powerful he scares all the
[00:14:50] guys and like he scares everybody
[00:14:52] and the whole stick
[00:14:54] of Goku just being like well I have to fight him
[00:14:56] I have to prove myself of course
[00:14:58] which is super fun.
[00:15:00] That's a trick that Dragon Ball always
[00:15:02] goes to is it's
[00:15:04] literally every time you get to a new story
[00:15:06] Arc and Dragon Ball the previous arc has been like
[00:15:08] Goku achieving a power that like no person
[00:15:10] has ever achieved before in order to defeat
[00:15:12] this like new villain who is stronger than
[00:15:14] anyone has ever been and he finally does it
[00:15:16] and then the next arc comes around and this next guy
[00:15:18] is even stronger than the previous guy.
[00:15:20] It's so fun
[00:15:22] And so Goku has to go to another level of untold
[00:15:24] power to defeat them.
[00:15:26] I mean it's such a fun
[00:15:28] it is such a like a silly
[00:15:30] bit but it is such a fun
[00:15:32] like a sense of progression
[00:15:34] right to be like what how can he get out of this one
[00:15:36] no way this is good buddy just defeated the last guy
[00:15:38] oh my god
[00:15:40] and that should rule
[00:15:42] yeah it's fantastic love it
[00:15:44] I also like to I think
[00:15:46] you know one again I really like Dragon Ball Super Broly
[00:15:48] but like one problem that I have with that movie
[00:15:50] or like not really a problem but like I remember
[00:15:52] commenting this in the episode
[00:15:54] was like man I miss seeing all my buddies
[00:15:56] there's not a lot of tertiary Dragon Ball
[00:15:58] characters like where's Krillin where where's
[00:16:00] Yamcha where you know all that kind of stuff
[00:16:02] and this has everybody this has almost every
[00:16:04] like major Dragon Ball character
[00:16:06] popping up like the idea of all of them just
[00:16:08] being at Bulma's 38th birthday party
[00:16:10] is like hey great they're all here and they're
[00:16:12] all here to be able to you know
[00:16:14] they see the threat of Lord Beerus but they're mostly
[00:16:16] just hanging out and having fun yeah which is
[00:16:18] great there's a moment there's a lot of great
[00:16:20] comedy mind with like Vegeta trying
[00:16:22] to like be like like the guy
[00:16:24] who's calming Beerus down had to like be the
[00:16:26] normal he's got to be the straight guy
[00:16:28] just try to just try to be
[00:16:30] chill and like make sure Beerus doesn't get
[00:16:32] pissed off and he does this like hold dance
[00:16:34] to the bingo to try to calm him down which is very
[00:16:36] funny there's also like a frame
[00:16:38] of Piccolo doing karaoke
[00:16:40] and I gotta know what song Piccolo
[00:16:42] said
[00:16:44] I don't know it was very good
[00:16:46] and then I love the the escalation of
[00:16:48] that too right that like these are all the
[00:16:50] most powerful beings on earth of the
[00:16:52] universe or whatever so like when
[00:16:54] Ploff and his crew try to steal one of the Dragon Balls
[00:16:56] they like spin it as like as like a bit
[00:16:58] they're all doing because
[00:17:00] Ploff and his friends don't know that these
[00:17:02] are all the most powerful people on earth
[00:17:04] yes so funny
[00:17:06] which is so funny and I think it's so funny
[00:17:08] that those characters are included in this movie
[00:17:10] yeah just because you know
[00:17:12] like you watch the first few episodes of Dragon Balls
[00:17:14] so you know who Ploff is which is great
[00:17:16] but Ploff is like he's the first antagonist
[00:17:18] in the entire Dragon Ball saga
[00:17:20] and he's like a joke
[00:17:22] it's so weird how like
[00:17:24] how the whole series progresses
[00:17:26] and Ploff was the first guy they were fighting
[00:17:28] against and for some reason
[00:17:30] like he basically like
[00:17:32] very rarely brought up after the original
[00:17:34] Dragon Ball series and for some
[00:17:36] reason they brought him back in here and it's like
[00:17:38] man the gang is really all back which is
[00:17:40] great and I'm not sure when this
[00:17:42] happens maybe it happens in Dragon Ball Z
[00:17:44] but somehow they make a wish to turn themselves
[00:17:46] into kids by accident and they do recap
[00:17:48] that in this movie yes and so
[00:17:50] Ploff and Mai and the dog
[00:17:52] are all just like in kids bodies now
[00:17:54] yeah yeah and they're all like
[00:17:56] pretending they're all like trying to be
[00:17:58] like chummy with go to and shrunks in order to get the Dragon Ball
[00:18:00] and it's good stuff yeah and shrunks pretend
[00:18:02] lies that that's his girlfriend
[00:18:04] hold hands
[00:18:06] this is all movie too fast for me
[00:18:08] my favorite line
[00:18:10] in the movie is when
[00:18:12] Mai turns around like hold hands all
[00:18:14] these disgusting perverts
[00:18:16] so funny
[00:18:20] and I think that might be the thing that
[00:18:22] edges this out for me against Broly
[00:18:24] to keep I guess that's all we're gonna keep doing
[00:18:26] but um
[00:18:28] this one feels like it has a lot more
[00:18:30] like there is certainly humor in stuff in Broly
[00:18:32] and I remember there was that one like crew
[00:18:34] that's like they're like fighter pilots or whatever
[00:18:36] I remember one of them's like a dog guy or something
[00:18:38] also in Broly right that like are very funny
[00:18:40] but um this one has a
[00:18:42] Battle of Gods has a lot more comedy
[00:18:44] stuff going on before
[00:18:46] or and besides all the big fighting and things
[00:18:48] yeah and it's really just like the characters bouncing
[00:18:50] off each other which is great
[00:18:52] and yeah I do love that bit where like they
[00:18:54] you know they are caught with the Dragon Ball
[00:18:56] and uh Mai pulls a gun
[00:18:58] on shrunks and everybody's just like
[00:19:00] okay like is this like oh the kids are doing like a little
[00:19:02] like play or whatever haha that's
[00:19:04] shrunks he's a super Saiyan like
[00:19:06] and then Gohan
[00:19:08] rips off his costume and he's the great Saiyan man underneath
[00:19:10] which is great
[00:19:12] I mean there's a lot of like fan servicey bits here
[00:19:14] which is fun Gohan turning into the great Saiyan man
[00:19:16] Goh Ten and Trunks doing the Go-Tanks
[00:19:18] Fusion dance and all that stuff
[00:19:20] yeah it's fun stuff
[00:19:22] and then on top of that too the fight
[00:19:24] is all the fighting with
[00:19:26] Lord Beerus is very exciting and
[00:19:28] interesting and there's multiple fights with different
[00:19:30] people and yeah like different phases
[00:19:32] of it and it didn't it didn't feel
[00:19:34] like even though I guess like you know the back half of the
[00:19:36] movie is just fighting
[00:19:38] but it didn't feel like it was with
[00:19:40] literally where it was a single fight for 35 minutes
[00:19:42] or whatever it was
[00:19:44] and you just kind of like leaves
[00:19:46] interest that's like for me I remember us talking about
[00:19:48] that being like well okay he goes super Saiyan
[00:19:50] oh he's super Saiyan too oh okay but
[00:19:52] it's just like a progression of a single fight
[00:19:54] and this is multiple people failing
[00:19:56] trying different things and all that stuff so
[00:19:58] it was a more interesting exciting fight for me
[00:20:00] the back half of the movie where it wasn't just
[00:20:02] we're destroying a planet while we fight
[00:20:04] that was sort of it I remember from Broly
[00:20:06] yeah but in this it's cool
[00:20:08] you know you got Vegeta in there you got the Gotangs
[00:20:10] you got everybody everybody's going yeah you got all them
[00:20:12] and there's the yeah there's like one moment where just like
[00:20:14] oh everybody at the party is trying to throw like a punch in
[00:20:16] at Beerus and it's like oh man there's Krillin
[00:20:18] there's Android 18 there's Chow Tzu there's Tien
[00:20:20] there's all these people and yeah it's great
[00:20:22] I think they are missing Yajirobi
[00:20:24] my boy who you have not met yet
[00:20:26] I don't know how that is I don't think you know Yajirobi
[00:20:28] he shows up like towards the tail end of Dragon Ball
[00:20:30] like in the King Piccolo saga
[00:20:32] and he plays a key part of the first
[00:20:34] like the Saiyan saga in Dragon Ball Z
[00:20:36] where he's the one who chops off Vegeta's tail
[00:20:38] and then from there he like basically doesn't exist
[00:20:40] he like doesn't do anything
[00:20:42] I mean he had a picture of him
[00:20:44] and I don't recognize him at all
[00:20:46] yeah he's you know a bigger dude who's mostly focused
[00:20:48] on eating food and yeah
[00:20:50] occasionally he helped save the world but he wasn't at the party
[00:20:52] and I was a little bummed about that
[00:20:54] but almost everybody else is here which is great
[00:20:56] love to see everyone else and yeah
[00:20:58] I think all the fights with Beerus are really cool
[00:21:00] and yeah I think Beerus himself was really fun
[00:21:02] like a really engaging like antagonist
[00:21:04] for them and somebody who
[00:21:06] you know he's an antagonist but also doesn't seem
[00:21:08] like that invested in being the antagonist
[00:21:10] and he's much more interested in just like
[00:21:12] he wants to hang out at the party
[00:21:14] he wants to have all the good food that Earth provides
[00:21:16] he wants that pudding
[00:21:18] which is also a great bit that Majin Buu ate all the pudding
[00:21:20] yeah
[00:21:22] I love to there's a bit earlier
[00:21:24] when Beerus is
[00:21:26] first wakes up or whatever
[00:21:28] and he's explaining his
[00:21:30] prophecy that his dream that he had
[00:21:32] he's gonna fight a Super Saiyan God or something
[00:21:34] and they're like well we gotta teleport
[00:21:36] to Earth or actually I don't remember if it's Earth
[00:21:38] first I think it's when they go to
[00:21:40] where Goku is training
[00:21:42] they go to Kinkai's planet
[00:21:44] and he's like well how long will it take us to get there
[00:21:46] and like we's or whatever his assistant
[00:21:48] yeah it's like 26 minutes
[00:21:50] and Beerus was like hmm about the average length
[00:21:52] of an anime episode interesting
[00:21:54] and then they just like teleport away
[00:21:56] very fun
[00:21:58] yes that was a great like fourth wall breaking joke
[00:22:00] which I really enjoyed and honestly
[00:22:02] with the death of Akira Toriyama
[00:22:04] which RIP I was very upset to hear the news
[00:22:06] like I've been seeing a lot of Dragon Ball
[00:22:08] posting over the last month or so on Twitter
[00:22:10] and all that kind of stuff and one of my favorite threads
[00:22:12] was like all the time his Dragon Ball broke the fourth wall
[00:22:14] which
[00:22:16] they do a lot more in the manga than they do in the anime
[00:22:18] but in the manga like Akira Toriyama
[00:22:20] is an actual character that just pops up
[00:22:22] every once in a while
[00:22:24] and like the characters will just like blame him
[00:22:26] for random things that happen
[00:22:28] my favorite moment in Dragon Ball
[00:22:30] I think this is both in the manga and the anime
[00:22:32] is it's in the original series of Dragon Ball
[00:22:34] they're at the World Martial Arts Tournament
[00:22:36] Krillin is fighting this guy who uses
[00:22:38] like the power of like his bad odor
[00:22:40] to defeat people
[00:22:42] he stinks so bad that like
[00:22:44] you know his opponents are like blinded by the smell
[00:22:46] and like can't fight and get defeated
[00:22:48] and Krillin is like you know he's losing to this guy
[00:22:50] and then Gohan shouts at him like
[00:22:52] Krillin you don't have a nose
[00:22:54] and Krillin's like
[00:22:56] whoa you're right and he beats the guy
[00:22:58] amazing
[00:23:00] just great stuff
[00:23:02] also I love Vegeta, like Vegeta we talked about a little bit
[00:23:04] as like you know kind of the straight man trying to keep it
[00:23:06] together with Beerus but
[00:23:08] yeah I loved Vegeta in this movie there's a couple moments
[00:23:10] of this movie that hit really hard for me
[00:23:12] partially because I've been watching Dragon Ball Z
[00:23:14] one of which is when Gohan finds out
[00:23:16] that Videl is pregnant
[00:23:18] because I think it's a genuinely like
[00:23:20] really great moment where he's so excited
[00:23:22] and so happy and I've been watching
[00:23:24] you know the first couple seasons of Dragon Ball Z
[00:23:26] where Gohan is a kid and I was like
[00:23:28] oh man Gohan's come so far
[00:23:30] he's made it
[00:23:32] man which was fun
[00:23:34] but then also with Vegeta and like the way
[00:23:36] he you know he like genuinely has
[00:23:38] love and affection for Bulma and Trunks
[00:23:40] Ultimate Life Guy Vegeta apparently
[00:23:42] yeah which you know watching the first three seasons
[00:23:44] of Dragon Ball Z man it's crazy
[00:23:46] that that villain to hero
[00:23:48] progression like they do that a few times in Dragon Ball
[00:23:50] like Piccolo is one of those and all that kind
[00:23:52] of stuff but Vegeta man
[00:23:54] it's like when Vegeta shows up
[00:23:56] in Dragon Ball Z he and his partner Nappa
[00:23:58] kill all of your friends
[00:24:00] they kill Tien
[00:24:02] Tien, Yamcha, Piccolo and Chow Tzu
[00:24:04] like all in a row
[00:24:06] all at once like all four of those guys
[00:24:08] and then when like
[00:24:10] Goku finally shows up and defeats Nappa
[00:24:12] Vegeta then kills his partner Nappa
[00:24:14] for not defeating Goku
[00:24:16] holy shit he's like the baddest
[00:24:18] of the bad right and then as the seasons
[00:24:20] go on like I'm in season three now and I just
[00:24:22] got to the part where Vegeta dies
[00:24:24] Frieza kills Vegeta and when Frieza
[00:24:26] kills Vegeta it's the most heart breaking
[00:24:28] it's it was so emotional
[00:24:30] because yeah at that point
[00:24:32] like Vegeta had been a bad guy and like
[00:24:34] it's at some point at some point in the
[00:24:36] Namek Frieza saga he's like sort of has to work
[00:24:38] with Gohan and Krillin and Goku and
[00:24:40] all that kind of stuff and he has his like really
[00:24:42] heartfelt monologue to Goku as he's dying
[00:24:44] about like Frieza and like how
[00:24:46] devastating he is and how you can't pull your punches
[00:24:48] and all that kind of stuff and yeah to
[00:24:50] watch that after you know it's a really
[00:24:52] effectively done redemption arc for Vegeta
[00:24:54] which pretty wild and it's still on go
[00:24:56] like the thing about it is it goes
[00:24:58] throughout the entire series of Dragon Ball
[00:25:00] Z where it's like you know people
[00:25:02] don't accept Vegeta as a good guy right away
[00:25:04] including himself he doesn't want to be a good guy
[00:25:06] for a very long time
[00:25:08] I mean it's sort of like the
[00:25:10] Fast and the Furious thing right that like by the
[00:25:12] next movie the villain is a part of the family
[00:25:14] yes
[00:25:16] I think Fast and the Furious took more than
[00:25:18] a few cues from the Dragon Ball series
[00:25:20] I think you're right
[00:25:22] but yeah what else in Dragon Ball Z
[00:25:24] Battle of God should we talk about, Mike?
[00:25:26] I think it's just fun even
[00:25:28] me not having a super
[00:25:30] familiar you know nostalgia or anything
[00:25:32] for a lot of these characters but just in general like we've been talking
[00:25:34] about the having them all be at the party
[00:25:36] is so it's just fun like we're like oh that's
[00:25:38] Piccolo that's whatever blah blah blah
[00:25:40] that's those guys I mean who's the
[00:25:42] seems like he's like Randy Savage or whatever
[00:25:44] like he's just like a regular wrestler
[00:25:46] yeah that's Mr. Satan
[00:25:48] incredible
[00:25:50] also known as Hercules
[00:25:52] I think he's the World's Martial Arts
[00:25:54] Tournament Champion in Dragon Ball Z
[00:25:56] but only because like the Z fighters
[00:25:58] have moved beyond competing in that tournament
[00:26:00] amazing and so yeah
[00:26:02] I think he's the champion for that one year
[00:26:04] or whatever until maybe I actually haven't gotten
[00:26:06] up to that point I forget exactly how it works
[00:26:08] but yeah he gets involved
[00:26:10] somehow and Gohan starts getting his daughter
[00:26:12] Videl and then he is the one who
[00:26:14] strikes up a real friendship with Majin Buu
[00:26:16] and then Majin Buu like becomes
[00:26:18] like the evil versions of Buu but then he
[00:26:20] comes back he turns into Majin Buu again
[00:26:22] he's great he's great yeah he's very fun
[00:26:24] I just like him I guess you know
[00:26:26] whatever he's basically just like
[00:26:28] a normal human
[00:26:30] yeah and like he keeps
[00:26:32] starting fights like against these gods
[00:26:34] you know it's very funny throughout the movie
[00:26:36] and yeah what else is there
[00:26:38] about this movie?
[00:26:40] It's a lot of fun and it's exciting and it's cool
[00:26:42] and I think it's a pretty
[00:26:44] straightforward structure and it's pretty easy
[00:26:46] to follow at least for me having that passing
[00:26:48] familiarity I think maybe that was the difference
[00:26:50] between this and Broly was
[00:26:52] you know I don't know what's going on in Super
[00:26:54] at all so like there are some things that were
[00:26:56] different and I was like well I thought this guy
[00:26:58] was already good or bad I forget what it was
[00:27:00] at the beginning of the movie that one was very confused by
[00:27:02] right maybe it was Frieza? Is Frieza in Super?
[00:27:04] No, he's in Super
[00:27:06] Broly because he's the one who is going to
[00:27:08] Earth for the Dragon Balls. Just wants to be taller
[00:27:10] He wants to be taller yeah
[00:27:12] That was very funny I forgot
[00:27:14] about that yeah so yeah it was
[00:27:16] cool and then I love actually the moment
[00:27:18] in
[00:27:20] Battle of the Gods when they call
[00:27:22] Shennon or what's the
[00:27:24] Dragon's name? Oh Shennon
[00:27:26] When they call Shennon and
[00:27:28] He's afraid of Beerus?
[00:27:30] Yeah he's afraid of Beerus
[00:27:32] That's such a funny bit
[00:27:34] He's like oh it hurts already stories Lord Beerus
[00:27:36] He's like all excited and nervous to be around Beerus
[00:27:38] Very good
[00:27:40] Yes yeah and I do love that
[00:27:42] the people who are familiar with Beerus are like just genuinely
[00:27:44] freaked out by him
[00:27:46] and yeah it's one of those
[00:27:48] I love that he sleeps for like 50 years at a time
[00:27:50] and then he wakes up does some
[00:27:52] destroying and then goes back to sleep
[00:27:54] And of course the fight between Goku
[00:27:56] and
[00:27:58] Beerus when they transfer the powers
[00:28:00] or whatever into Goku and turn him
[00:28:02] into the Super Saiyan God and his
[00:28:04] hair is pink which I guess is where
[00:28:06] Godzilla got it for Godzilla Kong
[00:28:10] Super Saiyan Godzilla
[00:28:12] is actually the next phase of
[00:28:14] Super Saiyan
[00:28:16] And then
[00:28:18] you know they kind of talk I think Piccolo or somebody
[00:28:20] says that like the way that Beerus is fighting Goku
[00:28:22] is basically seems like he's training Goku
[00:28:24] right and like he kind of makes him realize
[00:28:26] he had the power within him all along
[00:28:28] Right yeah I mean at the end of the
[00:28:30] day they mention that Beerus has been fighting with like 70%
[00:28:32] of his fighting power or something
[00:28:34] he was holding back
[00:28:36] Goku and that's the
[00:28:38] That's my favorite like I'm also not left handed
[00:28:40] Princess Bride
[00:28:42] is basically what happens there
[00:28:44] and Beerus gets like all pissed off
[00:28:46] he's like what you've been holding back and that's when he starts like throwing the
[00:28:48] blast satum or whatever
[00:28:50] Right yes and
[00:28:52] yeah and then he basically trains Goku
[00:28:54] because you realize the God power wears off
[00:28:56] in the middle of the fight but Goku doesn't realize it
[00:28:58] right he's had the strength within him all along
[00:29:00] because it's Dragon Ball Z
[00:29:02] Exactly yeah and I like that aspect of Goku
[00:29:04] where he's not like an arrogant dude most of the time
[00:29:06] you know he's mostly like a pretty
[00:29:08] Goku just likes to fight he just enjoys
[00:29:10] fighting it's cool
[00:29:12] there's moments
[00:29:14] I think it's in the Cell saga which I haven't gotten to in my rewatch yet
[00:29:16] but there's a moment where like he could have easily
[00:29:18] defeated Cell like after
[00:29:20] like the entire saga and then he gives
[00:29:22] Cell a Senzu bean which heals him back
[00:29:24] to full health just so they can continue fighting
[00:29:26] It's amazing
[00:29:28] and it rules
[00:29:30] Goku is just so like chill
[00:29:32] and confident in his own abilities
[00:29:34] but he's always like you know just
[00:29:36] he's always aware that there's going to be someone stronger
[00:29:38] than he has to fight right that's sort of his thing
[00:29:40] Yeah yeah he overcomes that
[00:29:42] and he's doing the training thing and I like
[00:29:44] we got to see some Kamehameha's in this one
[00:29:46] even though it's the one that he's training on King Kai's planet
[00:29:48] I think he maybe does one
[00:29:50] to Lord Beerus I don't remember
[00:29:52] Maybe yeah but yeah and I do love that when
[00:29:54] he first shows up like when Beerus first shows up on the planet
[00:29:56] Goku's like I want to challenge you to a fight
[00:29:58] you seem really strong let's fight
[00:30:00] and he goes to Super Saiyan 3
[00:30:02] he does the thing and is immediately defeated
[00:30:04] One blow
[00:30:06] Which shows you how big of a threat Lord Beerus is
[00:30:08] that's the thing they do in Avengers Infinity War
[00:30:10] when the Hulk attacks Thanos
[00:30:12] and just gets defeated so easily
[00:30:14] Oh shit Thanos is stronger than the Hulk
[00:30:16] What's going to happen?
[00:30:18] Oh no how are they going to get out of this one?
[00:30:20] Yes which actually honestly a lot of what this movie reminded me of
[00:30:22] was my favorite Avengers movie
[00:30:24] which is Avengers Age of Ultron
[00:30:26] because Age of Ultron also devotes a lot of time
[00:30:28] to a party scene where you're just watching like these characters
[00:30:30] hang out
[00:30:32] just watching them chill at the party
[00:30:34] That's a good point
[00:30:36] When uh catheter baracker makes the hammer
[00:30:38] wiggle that one time
[00:30:40] Which I don't think was meant to be foreshadowing for
[00:30:42] like endgame but like it worked out
[00:30:44] You know
[00:30:46] Yeah what else about
[00:30:48] Battle of the Gods
[00:30:50] I mean
[00:30:52] It is a good title
[00:30:54] Absolutely and I do like that sequence
[00:30:56] where Goku does become Super Saiyan God
[00:30:58] where they uh you know Shenron tells them how to
[00:31:00] do it basically
[00:31:02] which seems like a waste of a wish
[00:31:04] but I do like how impatient
[00:31:06] Shenron was about the wish
[00:31:08] thing. He's like okay come on
[00:31:10] I gave you your knowledge that's the wish you're done
[00:31:12] I'm out of here
[00:31:14] So they do the wish
[00:31:16] they get the dragon balls together and then they basically learn
[00:31:18] they have to have like five Saiyans together
[00:31:20] in order to like transfer all their energy
[00:31:22] into one Saiyan and they can become
[00:31:24] the Super Saiyan God and Vegeta's like a little annoyed that
[00:31:26] it's not him. Yeah, it's funny
[00:31:28] but they do it and it doesn't work
[00:31:30] and then they finally realize like oh you actually need
[00:31:32] you misunderstood you need six people
[00:31:34] like five people to transfer their power into one person
[00:31:36] but they don't have a six Saiyan
[00:31:38] or do they? What twist
[00:31:40] Yes and I like that
[00:31:42] they plant this seed earlier in the movie
[00:31:44] like just at a moment when Videl gets shot
[00:31:46] after
[00:31:48] forgot about that
[00:31:50] when Videl gets shot after peel off in their gangs
[00:31:52] like little stunt show and like great Saiyan man does his thing
[00:31:54] it's like hey those are real bullets you could
[00:31:56] should be playing with those
[00:31:58] then yeah Videl gets shot in the leg
[00:32:00] and you know Videl's his wife
[00:32:02] so go on it's like oh I'm so sorry
[00:32:04] and then Dende comes over and heals her
[00:32:06] and Dende realizes oh you're pregnant
[00:32:08] and she's like I haven't told Gohan yet
[00:32:10] Yeah keep it on the down low don't tell anybody
[00:32:12] Yeah and then yeah when it comes up later
[00:32:14] it's like oh yeah perfect and so Vegeta
[00:32:16] Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Videl's like
[00:32:18] unborn child they all channel their energy together
[00:32:20] and give the god power to Goku
[00:32:22] Yes and then his hair turns purple or pink or whatever
[00:32:24] Yeah it's like a reddish
[00:32:26] Yeah yeah yeah
[00:32:28] Yeah it is cool I do
[00:32:30] Roshi also mentions like oh he looks like thinner for some reason
[00:32:32] and like yeah his arms are like smaller
[00:32:34] which I think was interesting
[00:32:36] Interesting yeah it seems like
[00:32:38] the bit is always just bigger
[00:32:40] like more hair right like that's the
[00:32:42] Super Saiyan 3 is just the biggest hair possible
[00:32:44] Yeah I mean that's one of the weird things
[00:32:46] like when you go Super Saiyan 1 to Super Saiyan 2
[00:32:48] I feel like there's almost no difference
[00:32:50] they look almost identical like the hair is maybe
[00:32:52] a little bit spikier and then yes
[00:32:54] Super Saiyan 3 you go to like the full long
[00:32:56] hair you know he has like
[00:32:58] the weird like caveman eyebrows
[00:33:00] Right
[00:33:02] I also don't understand what the like great ape
[00:33:04] thing is either or also which they reference
[00:33:06] when uh who's shows up
[00:33:08] with Uppera Pilaf when they're trying to rob
[00:33:10] the like bingo thing and it's
[00:33:12] Trunks and Goten
[00:33:14] Goten I guess to open the doorway and they
[00:33:16] have a flashback of the great ape thing and they're like
[00:33:18] Yes
[00:33:20] That's where they get out of there
[00:33:22] Yes you haven't gotten to that part in Dragon Ball yet
[00:33:24] I don't remember yeah
[00:33:26] If you watched like 10 episodes if you watched like 3 more
[00:33:28] then you would get there
[00:33:30] But so basically you know in the old Dragon Ball series
[00:33:32] Goku has a tail and all Saiyans are born with tails
[00:33:34] and in fact what they
[00:33:36] can do is like basically when there's a full moon
[00:33:38] if they look up to the moon
[00:33:40] they turn into this like the great ape
[00:33:42] this destructive monster
[00:33:44] which Goku didn't know about when he was a kid
[00:33:46] and that's actually how his grandpa Gohan died
[00:33:48] is like he turned into the great ape
[00:33:50] and accidentally crushes grandpa
[00:33:52] He has no idea
[00:33:54] I know and actually Goku
[00:33:56] I think still like throughout the entire series of
[00:33:58] Dragon Ball I think he maybe figures it out in Z
[00:34:00] but through the entire series of Dragon Ball
[00:34:02] he has no idea that he does that
[00:34:04] he has no idea that the tail turns him into the great ape
[00:34:06] because he has no memory of it happening
[00:34:08] like when it happens and all that kind of stuff
[00:34:10] so in like the end of the last saga
[00:34:12] or the end of the first saga of the original Dragon Ball
[00:34:14] when Piloff like gathers the Dragon Balls
[00:34:16] and is about to make his wish and stuff
[00:34:18] Goku ends up turning into the great ape
[00:34:20] and you know causing chaos causing destruction
[00:34:22] and everybody has to kind of run
[00:34:24] and avoid him and then at one point
[00:34:26] Master Roshi blows up the moon
[00:34:28] to prevent that from happening anymore
[00:34:30] Classic Roshi
[00:34:32] Yes and then the moon somehow gets restored
[00:34:34] I forget how exactly
[00:34:36] but Goku ends up like
[00:34:38] taking off his own tail
[00:34:40] it gets cut off that first time and then it grows back
[00:34:42] and then at a certain point
[00:34:44] but his tail was also his weakness
[00:34:46] like if you grabbed the tail he would be powerless
[00:34:48] and so he eventually figured out
[00:34:50] he got strong enough where the tail was no longer a weakness
[00:34:52] and eventually he was able to just like yank it off
[00:34:54] or whatever it was. I forget exactly how
[00:34:56] he permanently removes the tail
[00:34:58] but he does
[00:35:00] but in Dragon Ball Z Gohan has a tail
[00:35:02] at first and like Raditz shows up
[00:35:04] and he has a tail and Vegeta has a tail
[00:35:06] and they all have tails, Vegeta turns into the great ape
[00:35:08] Gohan turns into a great ape
[00:35:10] they all do the thing and it's basically
[00:35:12] just a destructive power that Saiyans have
[00:35:14] that makes them easily
[00:35:16] decimate planets faster
[00:35:18] Okay, make sense
[00:35:20] So Pilov knows that great ape thing
[00:35:22] I do think it's weird that Pilov doesn't think
[00:35:24] Goku has aged in that time
[00:35:26] He thinks it's the same guy
[00:35:28] Like he recognizes Bulma
[00:35:30] like oh wait she's older now but that's
[00:35:32] the girl
[00:35:34] and for some reason
[00:35:36] he thinks Go 10 is Goku
[00:35:38] I don't know
[00:35:40] But you know what, it's making me want to
[00:35:42] go back and watch more episodes now
[00:35:44] I guess I gotta re-download it
[00:35:46] We're gonna convince Mike to do like 10 episodes at a time
[00:35:48] every time we do a Dragon Ball movie
[00:35:50] God dammit
[00:35:52] This movie was like
[00:35:54] there were a lot of Dragon Ball movies before this
[00:35:56] like we said but they were mostly like
[00:35:58] pre-specials or stuff like that
[00:36:00] This one was in theaters, I remember this coming out
[00:36:02] and I believe this was
[00:36:04] the first one that Akira Toriyama was actually
[00:36:06] really involved in
[00:36:08] It feels very much
[00:36:10] it feels closer to the spirit of the manga
[00:36:12] and the original Dragon Ball series
[00:36:14] maybe then
[00:36:16] Dragon Ball Z, I love it
[00:36:18] but it also gets really
[00:36:20] self-serious and it's like really like
[00:36:22] man there's a lot of long fights
[00:36:24] that happen in Z
[00:36:26] whereas Dragon Ball the original series is more just about
[00:36:28] like fun adventures that happen
[00:36:30] and they always build up to a fight or whatever
[00:36:32] but there's a lot more going on
[00:36:34] in terms of plot mechanics and wacky stuff
[00:36:36] going on and so yeah
[00:36:38] this sort of feels more in the spirit of the original stuff
[00:36:40] which is fun and I think maybe
[00:36:42] even just bringing P.L.O.F. back is part of that too
[00:36:44] It's just all part of it
[00:36:46] I don't really remember enough of Z
[00:36:48] at the time to have a full
[00:36:50] opinion on the difference between
[00:36:52] 10 episodes or whatever
[00:36:54] the original series that I watched
[00:36:56] but yeah it was exciting, it was fun to watch
[00:36:58] this movie and I'm glad we got forced to
[00:37:00] well I guess we didn't get forced to
[00:37:02] we could have watched Superhero
[00:37:04] we could have watched Superhero
[00:37:06] which I do want to watch
[00:37:08] and I will watch at some point
[00:37:10] and I've heard great things about that one too
[00:37:12] I think that one is mostly Gohan and Piccolo
[00:37:14] fighting robots
[00:37:16] sounds great
[00:37:18] sounds perfect
[00:37:20] from what I was reading about it
[00:37:22] Gohan and Piccolo against the Red Ribbon Army
[00:37:24] who have been thorn on the side of the Z fighters
[00:37:26] for years and years
[00:37:28] and I think there's like cutaways of Goku, Vegeta
[00:37:30] and Broly all training on Broly's planet
[00:37:32] but I think it's mostly Gohan and Piccolo
[00:37:34] doing their thing which is neat
[00:37:36] which is pretty cool
[00:37:38] and now with Akira Toriyama-gan
[00:37:40] I am a little concerned about the future of Dragon Ball
[00:37:42] I don't know what's really going to happen
[00:37:44] I mean obviously he was still doing the manga
[00:37:46] he was still publishing that
[00:37:48] Dragon Ball Super
[00:37:50] and I wanted to watch it
[00:37:52] but I know it is a weird thing where the show ended
[00:37:54] but the manga kept going
[00:37:56] and part of me was like
[00:37:58] I wonder if that was just like
[00:38:00] Dragon Ball Z is known for all the filler episodes
[00:38:02] and I'm wondering if they were trying to avoid that kind of situation
[00:38:04] and so I was like
[00:38:06] ok we'll stop here and wait until there's more of the manga
[00:38:08] and then we'll make more of the show
[00:38:10] or whatever I know there's another Dragon Ball
[00:38:12] show coming out
[00:38:14] maybe this year, maybe next year called Dragon Ball Dima
[00:38:16] which has a trailer
[00:38:18] and it looks like weirdly a lot like Dragon Ball GT
[00:38:21] which is now considered like a non-canon show
[00:38:24] even though I liked Dragon Ball GT
[00:38:26] I was the guy
[00:38:28] you're the one
[00:38:29] I was the one who liked GT
[00:38:30] I don't know it was on right after Dragon Ball Z
[00:38:32] I was still in my Dragon Ball thing
[00:38:34] what are you going to do?
[00:38:36] but yeah GT was like a two season show
[00:38:38] that Toriyama was not really involved in
[00:38:40] but that was the show, I think I talked about it on the Broly episode
[00:38:42] where Goku gets turned back into a kid
[00:38:44] in the first episode
[00:38:46] and Ploff comes back
[00:38:48] and he makes his wish and is like
[00:38:50] oh I wish you were a little kid again so I can really teach you some manners
[00:38:52] which is the dumbest thing Ploff can do
[00:38:54] because Goku defeated him as a kid so many times
[00:38:58] but he's Ploff, he doesn't learn
[00:39:00] yeah exactly
[00:39:02] also actually I did want to mention maybe the funniest moment of the movie
[00:39:04] which is when Ploff and his gang
[00:39:06] come back
[00:39:08] they get out of there and Mai has stolen the diamond
[00:39:10] or no she stole the Dragon Ball
[00:39:12] she gives the diamond back
[00:39:14] but she steals the Dragon Ball, only one of them
[00:39:16] and she's like I stole the Dragon Ball
[00:39:18] and Ploff is like oh what are we going to do
[00:39:20] it's just one, we'll hold it ransom
[00:39:22] and we'll make them give us a million zenni
[00:39:24] if they don't get the Dragon Ball back
[00:39:26] and he's like you're a genius Mai
[00:39:28] yes and then the dog is like
[00:39:30] I think the diamond was worth more than a million zenni
[00:39:32] why didn't we just take that
[00:39:34] and the way Ploff's jaw
[00:39:36] drops to the floor in his tongue rolls
[00:39:38] is so funny
[00:39:40] and then he's like
[00:39:42] well what are you nuts no one wants to be that rich it's about balance
[00:39:46] you'd be so stressed out
[00:39:48] I think my favorite bit was
[00:39:50] the pig man whose name I forget
[00:39:52] Oolong
[00:39:54] gets challenged by Lord Beerus to a rock paper scissors game
[00:39:58] for the fate of the earth
[00:40:00] and is it Goten?
[00:40:02] he doesn't know you're a pig man and you have fingers
[00:40:04] he thinks you're going to throw his scissors
[00:40:06] or like rock or something
[00:40:08] he's going to throw paper whatever it is
[00:40:10] that was Yamcha talking to Lodin
[00:40:12] oh yes
[00:40:14] they put this whole plan out there
[00:40:16] you got to put down scissors
[00:40:18] so that you can defeat his paper
[00:40:20] when he tries to cover your rock
[00:40:22] and then Beerus defeats him
[00:40:24] do you see my ears?
[00:40:26] I see how big my ears are I heard your whole plan
[00:40:28] incredible
[00:40:30] so so good
[00:40:32] but yeah I forget exactly what I was saying
[00:40:34] but GT I liked
[00:40:36] Dragon Ball Dima is coming out
[00:40:38] it looks very similar to GT
[00:40:40] in the fact that it turns Goku back into a kid
[00:40:42] but it seems like it turns everybody into kids
[00:40:44] it has a kid Vegeta and a kid Piccolo
[00:40:46] and all that stuff so
[00:40:48] curious what that show is going to be
[00:40:50] but I know Toriyama was involved with that
[00:40:52] prior to his death
[00:40:54] I'm hopeful for it should be good
[00:40:56] I know there's a new Dragon Ball Z game coming out this year
[00:40:58] that I'm excited for
[00:41:00] Dragon Ball Sparking Zero
[00:41:02] which is supposed to be a continuation of the Budokai Tenkaiji games
[00:41:04] which are the ones that I grew up with
[00:41:06] there was some bullshit with that game though
[00:41:08] I can't remember what's on top of my head
[00:41:10] but I saw something and I was like
[00:41:12] I gotta make sure Mike knows about this
[00:41:14] where I think it's that it's like
[00:41:16] oh there's a hundred characters or something like that
[00:41:18] but you only can unlock twenty of them
[00:41:20] and the rest are DLCs or some shit
[00:41:22] yeah it's some garbage like that
[00:41:24] I don't remember if that's exactly it
[00:41:26] but it's some video game nonsense
[00:41:28] I really hope that's not true
[00:41:30] yeah that's a bummer
[00:41:32] cause Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaiji 3
[00:41:34] there were 120 playable characters
[00:41:38] in that game something like that
[00:41:40] and they were all just on the disc
[00:41:42] you know you unlock them by playing the game
[00:41:44] and it ruled that game rocked
[00:41:46] all those DBZ Tenkaiji games rocked
[00:41:48] but yeah three was like the one that had so many characters
[00:41:50] and it was really fun
[00:41:52] are you looking it up now?
[00:41:54] I'm trying to look it up or it was like
[00:41:56] there's a hundred of them
[00:41:58] and thirty of them are Goku
[00:42:00] it's like a lot less
[00:42:02] that's sort of also how Tenkaiji 3 worked
[00:42:04] it would be like okay yeah there's Goku
[00:42:06] there's Super Saiyan Goku
[00:42:08] there's Super Saiyan 2 Goku
[00:42:10] different characters for every power
[00:42:12] and all that kind of stuff
[00:42:14] so yeah that's to be expected I think
[00:42:16] we'll see if I can find it while we're talking still
[00:42:18] but yeah it's kind of fascinating
[00:42:20] just to see this
[00:42:22] you know like pop culture
[00:42:24] force that's been around for thirty years
[00:42:26] that is still strong
[00:42:28] is very interesting
[00:42:30] it left for a while
[00:42:32] when Dragon Ball Z ended
[00:42:34] Dragon Ball GT started it lasted for like two years
[00:42:36] and then that was pretty much it for a little bit
[00:42:38] this movie came out in 2013
[00:42:40] which was like I think almost ten years after GT
[00:42:42] there was another movie
[00:42:44] after that and then they finally did Dragon Ball Super
[00:42:46] but I think Toriyama really did
[00:42:48] originally want Z to be the end of it
[00:42:50] and then eventually came back and did Super instead
[00:42:52] and yeah I've heard good things
[00:42:54] about Super I am looking forward to watching it
[00:42:56] but I'm not going to get there for a while
[00:42:58] one day
[00:43:00] there's just so many episodes
[00:43:02] exactly yeah and the way
[00:43:04] I'm watching Dragon Ball Z
[00:43:06] is like once a week
[00:43:08] maybe at like 2am my girlfriend is falling on a sleeve
[00:43:10] I crack open a beer and I watch like three episodes
[00:43:12] Dragon Ball Z is kind of how I've been doing it
[00:43:14] for the last two years
[00:43:16] so you know it's going to be a little bit
[00:43:18] until I get to Super
[00:43:20] one day there's just too many
[00:43:22] yeah there's a lot of stuff
[00:43:24] but it is super super fun
[00:43:26] I'm curious now that I have Crunchyroll
[00:43:28] and now I have access to almost all of the
[00:43:30] Dragon Ball Z movies I might dip my toe
[00:43:32] into a few of those
[00:43:34] I did watch a bunch of them when I was a kid
[00:43:36] but I haven't watched them in a very long time
[00:43:38] and I know most of them are like considered non-canon
[00:43:40] or whatever so I'm not sure if I necessarily need to
[00:43:42] but I think it could be fun
[00:43:44] and especially there's the Broly movies
[00:43:46] there's the Bojack movie
[00:43:48] the Return of Cooler pretty cool
[00:43:50] sounds pretty cool
[00:43:52] he was Frieza's older brother who wants revenge
[00:43:54] and there was two coolers
[00:43:56] there was Cooler's Revenge then there was Return of Cooler
[00:43:58] and I think he turns into a robot cooler
[00:44:00] and the Return of Cooler
[00:44:02] much like Frieza turns into Mecha-Freaza
[00:44:06] now I just want to watch Godzilla stuff
[00:44:10] we accidentally turned
[00:44:12] into a Godzilla guy after the Dragon Ball episode
[00:44:14] yeah wait a second hold on
[00:44:18] Battle of Gods was like the first theatrical movie
[00:44:20] or the one that got a real theatrical push
[00:44:22] in America then there was Resurrection F
[00:44:24] and then they turned into Super Broly
[00:44:26] and Super Superhero
[00:44:28] Superhero was the most recent one that was 2022
[00:44:30] there was the live action theatrical movie
[00:44:32] which I saw
[00:44:34] in theaters I was there
[00:44:36] opening day to see Dragon Ball Evolution
[00:44:38] wow man that movie sucks
[00:44:40] it was real bad
[00:44:42] I don't know if I've ever seen that
[00:44:44] I don't really remember
[00:44:46] I definitely like know what it looks like
[00:44:48] yeah that came out when I was like 16
[00:44:50] and I was very excited for it
[00:44:52] oh shit live action Dragon Ball movie
[00:44:54] here we go went to see it it was awful
[00:44:56] and then afterwards went across the street
[00:44:58] to Walmart and ended up buying Dragon Ball Z
[00:45:00] on DVD and watching it
[00:45:02] just to confirm that it was a good show
[00:45:04] yeah you had your whole reality shaken
[00:45:06] yes and confirmed Dragon Ball Z
[00:45:08] still a good show but Dragon Ball Evolution
[00:45:10] quite bad but
[00:45:12] it did have James Masters
[00:45:14] who's spiked from Belfed the Vampire Slayer
[00:45:16] as Piccolo
[00:45:18] incredible honestly
[00:45:20] I was reading about it
[00:45:22] I think they were originally making Piccolo
[00:45:24] Gray like the makeup team
[00:45:26] and he was a big Dragon Ball fan
[00:45:28] like you gotta make me green
[00:45:30] why aren't you making me green
[00:45:32] and Chow Yun fats in it as Master Roshi
[00:45:34] which is wild
[00:45:36] it's a weird movie where Goku and Chichi
[00:45:38] are in high school together
[00:45:40] and yeah I don't know it's a weird
[00:45:42] everything about it
[00:45:44] it's the first segment of Dragon Ball
[00:45:46] also throwing in Piccolo
[00:45:48] and it's mashing in a ton of different things
[00:45:50] the movie is like less than 90 minutes long
[00:45:52] and it's a rough time
[00:45:54] don't watch Dragon Ball Evolution
[00:45:56] you know I was almost going to you saved me
[00:45:58] thanks buddy
[00:46:00] unless somebody wants to give us $50 to watch it
[00:46:02] I will not be watching Dragon Ball Evolution anytime soon
[00:46:04] true I wasn't able to find
[00:46:06] the post or any stuff
[00:46:08] about Sparking Zero or whatever
[00:46:10] so I don't know maybe it's all speculation rumors
[00:46:12] I don't really know but I was remembering
[00:46:14] about there being DLC
[00:46:16] but who knows
[00:46:18] any other thoughts about Dragon Ball Z
[00:46:20] Battle of Gods before we wrap this up Mike
[00:46:22] no I think we ran through most of it
[00:46:24] and it's a lot of fun and I enjoyed it
[00:46:26] I'm glad it might reignite my Dragon Ball
[00:46:28] I was going to say fire but it's not even quite a fire
[00:46:30] you watched a few episodes
[00:46:32] and then pieced out
[00:46:34] you know what I think I'm satisfied
[00:46:36] but I might be curious again
[00:46:38] if you get through the P-Loft saga
[00:46:40] I think that second season is one of my favorites
[00:46:42] like the second saga
[00:46:44] the martial arts tournament saga
[00:46:46] is one of my favorite parts of Dragon Ball
[00:46:48] which is they do it like three or four times
[00:46:50] in the original series where they go to the martial arts tournament
[00:46:52] but it rules every time it's the best
[00:46:54] awesome
[00:46:56] and I think you've met
[00:46:58] at that point I think you will have met Master Roshi
[00:47:00] he's popped up
[00:47:02] but that's when Goku and Krillin
[00:47:04] are going to show up and they become Master Roshi's pupils
[00:47:06] and that's when they actually start training
[00:47:08] under him and doing their thing
[00:47:10] and then they become the best
[00:47:12] and then they become the best
[00:47:14] like every other character in the show
[00:47:16] like every other character
[00:47:18] well Krillin is not a bad guy
[00:47:20] he's just like a cocky little kid
[00:47:22] who wants to be better than Goku
[00:47:24] and then quickly learns that he is not going to be better than Goku
[00:47:26] very fair
[00:47:28] maybe I'll get back into it
[00:47:30] maybe I'll at least finish that P-Loft saga
[00:47:32] just so you know what the great ape is all about
[00:47:34] get through there
[00:47:36] alright I believe that's going to bring us to the end
[00:47:38] of this week's episode Mike
[00:47:40] we done did it
[00:47:42] Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods
[00:47:44] thank you to Aaron for donating $50
[00:47:46] to make us watch this movie
[00:47:48] because it's always fun to talk about Dragon Ball
[00:47:50] that's my thing
[00:47:52] too bad there's not any more Witcher movies
[00:47:54] or we could trade back and forth between
[00:47:56] you describing Dragon Ball and me describing Witcher to you
[00:47:58] yes I did my due diligence with
[00:48:00] Witcher Blood Origin and that'll be it
[00:48:02] fair
[00:48:04] but yeah I'm sure we can find another thing
[00:48:06] that likes more than me and we can figure it out
[00:48:08] one day
[00:48:10] where can we find you online this week
[00:48:12] you can find me at mdfilmblog on twitter
[00:48:14] and letterbox and blue sky
[00:48:16] you can donate to support the show on our Ko-fi page
[00:48:18] which is ko-fi.com
[00:48:20] where you can also donate $50 like Aaron did
[00:48:22] to make us watch whatever
[00:48:24] movie you want us to watch
[00:48:26] pick a thing we double dog dare you
[00:48:28] pick a movie or pick a topic or whatever you want
[00:48:30] we can talk about it
[00:48:32] if you want merch we have merch available on our red bubble
[00:48:34] dot com
[00:49:04] we'll be in the near future
[00:49:06] it's already starting over there
[00:49:08] we've already started publishing episodes on that side of things
[00:49:10] right now
[00:49:12] pretty soon that's where they will be
[00:49:14] exclusively so get over there
[00:49:16] make it happen
[00:49:18] next week Mike makes Mike watch
[00:49:20] I know Mike D
[00:49:22] you're making me watch the Pelican Brief
[00:49:24] yes I am
[00:49:26] do you remember what I'm making you watch
[00:49:28] I don't at all
[00:49:30] let me see what do we got
[00:49:32] what do we got
[00:49:34] ah yes
[00:49:36] here we go scrolling
[00:49:38] everybody knows this you just make sounds
[00:49:40] and it's fine that's how you vamp
[00:49:42] next month
[00:49:44] for April
[00:49:46] we are returning to the world of Greta Gerwig
[00:49:48] I'm making you
[00:49:50] watch Mistress America
[00:49:52] Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach
[00:49:54] starring Greta Gerwig
[00:49:56] and this is maybe my favorite Noah Baumbach movie
[00:49:58] it rules love it
[00:50:00] I hope you really enjoy it
[00:50:02] the two ends of the filmmaking spectrum yet again
[00:50:04] the Pelican Brief and Mistress America
[00:50:06] there we go
[00:50:08] alright so yeah that's gonna be next week on the show
[00:50:10] in the meantime the Complete Works
[00:50:12] will be returning soon with season 4
[00:50:14] and that is the end
[00:50:16] of this week's episode of Mike and Mike Go To The Movies
[00:50:18] we will see you on the other side
[00:50:30] you