This week, Roy Scheider pops up for one scene and a couple of lines in PAPER LION, a sports comedy featuring Alan Alda as famed sportswriter George Plimpton along with several real-life players for the 1967 Detroit Lions!
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[00:00:23] Hello and welcome to episode 2 of The Complete Works Season 4
[00:00:28] A deep dive and a career in films of actor Roy Scheider
[00:00:32] My name is Mike Smith and join me on this journey across the Scheiderverse
[00:00:36] Is my friend co-host and fellow Roy boy
[00:00:39] My pleasure
[00:00:41] I'm great
[00:00:44] I forgot about that
[00:00:46] And I think that is going to lift my spirits every single time we record
[00:00:50] You won't wear
[00:00:53] 100 episodes in or however many episodes in
[00:00:56] I'll still be funny
[00:00:58] We went through this arc last season too
[00:01:00] I think with the Psycho Path
[00:01:02] Yeah, very tickled by that pun
[00:01:04] It's so good
[00:01:06] Yeah, but yeah, I'm good. How are you?
[00:01:08] I'm good. I think this can be a short episode Mike
[00:01:10] I think so
[00:01:11] Go out and I'll even say that
[00:01:13] So last week
[00:01:14] We talked about Roy Scheider's debut film
[00:01:17] The low budget 1964 horror movie The Curse of the Living Cors
[00:01:22] Which gave him a pretty sizable showcase as an actor
[00:01:25] I think a movie with both kind of enjoyed
[00:01:27] We were both like yeah, yeah
[00:01:28] Living corpse
[00:01:29] Who knew?
[00:01:30] Ed Wood of Connecticut sort of?
[00:01:32] Yes, in the director
[00:01:33] That's fun
[00:01:34] Yeah, so over the next few years
[00:01:36] Roy Scheider would find some success on TV
[00:01:38] Taking on roles in two ongoing soap operas
[00:01:41] Love of life and the secret storm
[00:01:43] We are not going to be covering those on the podcast
[00:01:46] Because I haven't even tried looking for those
[00:01:50] I can't imagine they exist
[00:01:52] I can't imagine they're super easy to find
[00:01:53] And even if they are, that's a lot of soap operas
[00:01:55] To get through
[00:01:56] And he will continue acting on stage in that time too
[00:01:59] There's also a TV movie
[00:02:01] Lampet Midnight in 1966 about Galileo
[00:02:05] Which we can't find
[00:02:07] We tried to look for it
[00:02:08] Right? I mean, Mike, you did your due diligence
[00:02:10] Right? Yeah, we did some searching
[00:02:12] And I think it only was ever put out in the on VHS
[00:02:15] In like the mid 80s once
[00:02:17] Yeah
[00:02:18] And therefore has no digital footprint
[00:02:20] That I could find
[00:02:21] I didn't even try to go to eBay and search for it
[00:02:24] And I don't think I could find even a copy on there
[00:02:27] Of the VHS
[00:02:28] Just had a curiosity
[00:02:29] I was like, let's just see if this exists anywhere
[00:02:31] And I didn't see it
[00:02:32] So it must not exist anymore
[00:02:34] Yeah, so if there are any shidder heads out there
[00:02:36] That's any fellow Roy boys
[00:02:38] That have
[00:02:40] The VHS copy of Lampet Midnight
[00:02:43] Can convert it into either a DVD or digital file
[00:02:47] And send it over to our way at minimal cost to us
[00:02:50] We'll do it
[00:02:51] We'll do it
[00:02:52] Yes, episode about that movie
[00:02:53] Yeah, and I guess we're going to put that out
[00:02:56] That offer out for any of the many TV movies
[00:02:59] Let he was in in the mid to late 60s and stuff
[00:03:03] Yeah, there's a few of them that I think we're going to have
[00:03:05] A little bit of difficulty finding
[00:03:07] Which you know this is the first time
[00:03:09] In doing the complete works
[00:03:10] They're like we haven't been able to find something
[00:03:12] Right, Mike? Yeah, I was thinking about how odd that is
[00:03:15] But also this is the furthest back in film and TV history we've gone
[00:03:19] It's just true, we've now we've gone back to the 60s before
[00:03:21] I guess those things just don't exist
[00:03:22] Nobody thought to preserve them
[00:03:23] How many of those you hear those stories
[00:03:26] I've just like, I don't know, burned the vault
[00:03:28] You know, kind of situations
[00:03:29] Where people didn't think that it mattered
[00:03:32] To preserve any of this stuff so we can't find it
[00:03:35] Yeah, so if we do fire ourselves
[00:03:37] Abel to watch Lampet Midnight
[00:03:39] We will do a bonus episode
[00:03:40] We'll bring it back
[00:03:41] And we're going to look for those other TV movies
[00:03:43] That kind of happened around this time period as well
[00:03:45] But you know, could be spotty at best
[00:03:47] We will see what happens
[00:03:48] But today, however
[00:03:50] We have to talk about the next film in the Shader filmography
[00:03:53] One that brings Mike and Mike into a subject
[00:03:55] That we famously know a lot about which is sports
[00:03:58] Yes
[00:03:59] On top of being sports or Roy boys
[00:04:02] We were also a sports boys
[00:04:03] Exactly, yes
[00:04:04] So today's movie is based on a non-fiction book
[00:04:07] Written by George Plimpton, the famous sports writer
[00:04:10] About his time trying out for the Detroit Lions football team
[00:04:13] Are you familiar with George Plimpton at all, Mike?
[00:04:15] Not even a little bit
[00:04:16] Okay, so Plimpton wrote for sports illustrated
[00:04:18] Co-founded the Paris Review
[00:04:20] And even as a non-sports guy
[00:04:22] I was actually a little bit familiar with George Plimpton
[00:04:24] Wow, fascinating
[00:04:26] And I recognized the name
[00:04:27] And I was like, oh yeah, George Plimpton
[00:04:29] He's like a sports writer or something
[00:04:30] And then I looked it up and I'm not sure enough he was
[00:04:32] But I was like, why would I know that?
[00:04:33] Why is that something that's in my head
[00:04:35] And so I researched George Plimpton's Wikipedia page
[00:04:38] I did a lot of scrolling, he had a filmography
[00:04:41] And he played himself in a few various roles here and there
[00:04:45] The reason I know who George Plimpton is
[00:04:47] is because he guest starred as himself
[00:04:49] And he sees in the 14 episode of The Simpsons
[00:04:52] Holy Shit
[00:04:54] Where he is the moderator of a spelling bee
[00:04:56] That Lisa is participating in
[00:04:58] And he tries to get her to take a dive
[00:05:00] So that the like, cuter younger contestant can win
[00:05:02] For like publicity
[00:05:03] Yeah
[00:05:04] And he tries to offer her a hot plate
[00:05:06] George Plimpton hot plate
[00:05:07] And that was a line that like me and my friend used to repeat over
[00:05:10] And over again when we were like 12 years old
[00:05:12] We're like, oh, and a hot plate
[00:05:13] It's perfect for soup
[00:05:14] You take a dive
[00:05:15] Well, guarantee you a scholarship
[00:05:17] To the seven sisters college of your choice
[00:05:20] Oh, for e-coloured
[00:05:22] And a hot plate
[00:05:23] Amazing
[00:05:25] So for that reason George Plimpton has played an instrumental part in my life
[00:05:28] This is not a movie that gives Roy Scheider as big a role
[00:05:35] That's the curse the living corpse, right?
[00:05:36] Mike, not even a little bit
[00:05:37] And we've even talked about that
[00:05:38] Like how shocked we were during the episode
[00:05:41] For a curse the living corpse
[00:05:42] Like, wow
[00:05:43] Compare his first, Shader's first role
[00:05:45] To go blooms for a role
[00:05:47] Where he's, you know, just the, I mean, granted
[00:05:49] Very important role in death wish
[00:05:51] But very small
[00:05:52] And we were like, wow
[00:05:53] This could, this could build pretty well
[00:05:55] For this early episodes
[00:05:56] And here we go episode two
[00:05:58] We didn't make it one more episode
[00:06:01] Exactly
[00:06:02] Yeah, I mean, who don't maybe his role in Lampit Midnight
[00:06:04] Was really substantial
[00:06:05] That's true
[00:06:06] We'll never know
[00:06:07] But
[00:06:08] Yeah, he, Roy Scheider pops up for one scene
[00:06:10] The beginning of this movie
[00:06:11] He has a couple of lines
[00:06:12] And then he never shows up again
[00:06:14] But since he is in it
[00:06:15] We've got to talk about paper lion
[00:06:18] George Plimpton
[00:06:19] Pitch to the all-star
[00:06:21] Box with a champ
[00:06:23] And had the gauld
[00:06:25] To think he could play professional football
[00:06:28] The paper lion
[00:06:30] He is a fox to get free
[00:06:32] So paper lion
[00:06:34] Features Roy Scheider and an uncredited role
[00:06:36] As central park flag football player
[00:06:38] Which uncredited role
[00:06:40] This movie starts with like
[00:06:42] 20 names of credits
[00:06:44] Like screens of people
[00:06:46] Like along this of credits
[00:06:48] Roy Scheider not among them
[00:06:49] I was looking
[00:06:50] I was looking to
[00:06:51] But there were so many
[00:06:52] I was like he's got to be in here
[00:06:53] And soft looking
[00:06:54] I just had to assume
[00:06:55] Yeah
[00:06:56] Yeah, supposedly he is an uncredited role
[00:06:58] As a central park flag football player
[00:07:00] But the main character of the movie
[00:07:02] Is George Plimpton
[00:07:03] Who is played in this film
[00:07:04] By Alan Alter
[00:07:05] This section also a really early role
[00:07:07] For Alan Alter too
[00:07:08] It's before mash was on the air
[00:07:10] And it's his second feature film
[00:07:12] Wow, yeah, it's only his second movie
[00:07:14] Plimpton's girlfriend Kate is played by Lauren Hutton
[00:07:16] In her feature debut
[00:07:17] This is her first movie
[00:07:18] She'd later be known for films like The Gambler
[00:07:20] And American Jigalo
[00:07:22] And David Doyle
[00:07:23] Who was Bosley on TV's Charlie's Angels
[00:07:26] And also Grandpa Lu on Rugrats
[00:07:28] He plays Oscar
[00:07:30] Plimpton's editor
[00:07:31] Huh
[00:07:32] That's fascinating
[00:07:33] Yeah, it's like mostly on nodes
[00:07:35] Yeah, these are all people very early on in their career
[00:07:37] I think this is pre-Charlie's Angels as well
[00:07:39] And then from there
[00:07:40] It's pretty much the entire
[00:07:42] 1967 Detroit Lions line up
[00:07:44] Playing themselves
[00:07:45] Including Alex Carrus
[00:07:47] Who later played Mungo in blazing sounds
[00:07:49] I was looking at him
[00:07:52] Like why is this person so familiar
[00:07:55] And that's wild
[00:07:57] That's so funny that that's him
[00:07:58] Yes
[00:07:59] Yeah, Alex Harris who was in blazing
[00:08:00] Saddles he was also on the TV show
[00:08:02] Webster he had the kind of a long acting career
[00:08:04] After his football career
[00:08:05] Which kind of makes sense when you watch this movie
[00:08:07] He's like the football player that pops the most in this
[00:08:09] Absolutely
[00:08:10] He's always like very shocked
[00:08:11] That like how good
[00:08:12] No, I had no in that it was like the actual team
[00:08:15] Playing in themselves
[00:08:16] So I was like wow this guy actually
[00:08:17] And he's in like a ballad of scenes and stuff
[00:08:19] That's like damn this guy's pretty good
[00:08:21] Yeah, he's killing it
[00:08:22] He's a pretty common in the game of life
[00:08:24] Also Vince Lombardies in this movie
[00:08:26] He pops up for a scene
[00:08:27] And boxer Sugar Ray Robinson
[00:08:29] Also appears as well
[00:08:30] So I think this movie is actually really interesting
[00:08:32] It's like a historical artifact of like 1967 sports
[00:08:36] You know, yeah
[00:08:37] I should have asked my parents if they knew this movie
[00:08:38] Or like we're familiar with it at all
[00:08:40] Just to get of you know
[00:08:42] People on the street view of anybody
[00:08:44] Remember this movie
[00:08:45] You were alive at this time
[00:08:46] What was it like?
[00:08:47] Yeah exactly
[00:08:48] The movie was written by Lawrence Roman
[00:08:50] Lawrence Roman
[00:08:51] who also wrote 1956 is a kiss before dying
[00:08:54] And directed by Alex March
[00:08:56] who mostly directed TV throughout the 60s and 70s
[00:08:58] Paper Lion had its premiere in Detroit
[00:09:01] Naturally
[00:09:02] On October 14th, 1968
[00:09:04] And I was not able to find the top five again
[00:09:07] Or the top ten of that weekend again
[00:09:09] I was able to find the number one film of the box office that weekend
[00:09:12] Really?
[00:09:13] Yes
[00:09:14] Do you want to take a stab at the number one film of the box office
[00:09:16] On October 14th, 1968 was Mike
[00:09:21] Oh man, I don't know
[00:09:22] Like, just every horror movie
[00:09:24] And I can't think of one
[00:09:25] Not a horror movie, a sci-fi movie
[00:09:27] A sci-fi movie?
[00:09:29] 68?
[00:09:30] I'm not gonna know it
[00:09:31] Okay, Barbara Ella was a number one
[00:09:33] Not a thousand years
[00:09:35] What I have ever gotten to Barbara Ella
[00:09:37] Which, have you ever seen Barbara Ella Mike?
[00:09:40] I have not
[00:09:41] Actually it rules
[00:09:42] It's great
[00:09:43] I watched it for the first time
[00:09:44] Like two years ago at the Roxy
[00:09:45] And it was a great screening
[00:09:47] Really fun
[00:09:48] That's awesome
[00:09:49] So, it's a great sight
[00:09:50] Exactly
[00:09:51] They're making a new Barbara Ella these days
[00:09:53] Apparently with Sydney Swating
[00:09:54] Of course they are
[00:09:55] Yeah, I'm not sure
[00:09:56] Apparently Edgar Wright's directing it
[00:09:57] So, what?
[00:09:58] Okay, that's good
[00:09:59] Wild weird
[00:10:00] But yeah
[00:10:01] So Barbara Ella was number one at the box office
[00:10:03] That weekend
[00:10:04] But I could run down the highest grossing films of that year
[00:10:06] Once again, in the front 1968
[00:10:08] The highest grossing film was of that year
[00:10:10] We're funny girl at number one
[00:10:12] With Barbara Streisand
[00:10:13] Follow by 2001 a space out of sea
[00:10:15] The odd couple
[00:10:16] Featuring one of our finalists
[00:10:18] Well let's Oliver
[00:10:20] The original planet of the apes
[00:10:22] Rose Mary's baby
[00:10:23] Frank was of really is Romeo and Juliet
[00:10:25] Yours mine and ours
[00:10:26] And the Lion and Winter
[00:10:28] Wild
[00:10:29] That's a strong
[00:10:30] That's crazy
[00:10:31] That's crazy
[00:10:32] Yeah, I'm really shit
[00:10:33] That's very, very good
[00:10:36] I can't you but
[00:10:37] Look, two doesn't want to space out of sea
[00:10:38] The second highest grossing movie of the year
[00:10:40] Barbara Ella
[00:10:41] Number one for a weekend
[00:10:43] That's crazy
[00:10:44] Just like if she doesn't want to come out today
[00:10:47] It would play in some art house theaters
[00:10:49] And then it would quietly go away
[00:10:51] Probably
[00:10:52] Absolutely
[00:10:53] Yeah, first of all, number two movie the year
[00:10:55] That's wild
[00:10:56] The IMDB Hlats Knaps is for paper lion reads
[00:10:59] Sports writer George Clinton poses a
[00:11:01] Ricky quarterback for the Detroit lions
[00:11:03] For a sports illustrator in article
[00:11:05] So might do you go into paper lion
[00:11:07] What were your expectations and what are your overall thoughts on this movie?
[00:11:11] Going into it
[00:11:12] I had never heard of this movie
[00:11:14] Was not familiar with anything about it
[00:11:16] Did minimal research on the wiki
[00:11:18] Whatever is like looking for this movie
[00:11:20] Yeah, it is on YouTube
[00:11:21] So if anybody would like to watch it go ahead
[00:11:23] It's on YouTube for free
[00:11:24] Yes, in glorious 360p
[00:11:27] And it's not even that's the title of the video
[00:11:31] But when you actually click on the settings wheel to change this
[00:11:34] It's in 240p
[00:11:36] Because I noticed when I full screen the video
[00:11:39] I couldn't see anything
[00:11:40] Like couldn't make out who anybody was
[00:11:42] Yeah, so if you have to watch it in the regular YouTube size
[00:11:45] Box
[00:11:47] You can't full screen it
[00:11:48] I mean you can but it's pretty unwatchable
[00:11:51] Yeah, so that's right off the bat
[00:11:53] I was like I don't know about that
[00:11:55] But overall yeah, I mean it's fine
[00:11:58] I think I think I don't all this great
[00:12:00] I think it is in parts
[00:12:02] Like really fun and very funny
[00:12:04] And I think it is just too long
[00:12:06] And it's not a long movie
[00:12:07] I think it's an hour 45 or an hour 40 or something like that
[00:12:10] And so it's not a very long sit
[00:12:12] But for a long periods
[00:12:14] It is just football camp
[00:12:16] And not even like exciting football
[00:12:19] It is just football camp
[00:12:21] Yeah, which is fine
[00:12:23] I get like it
[00:12:24] It feels like that is the point of the movie
[00:12:26] Having the actual team play themselves
[00:12:28] It feels more of one of those movies
[00:12:30] Like what if we advertise the NFL
[00:12:32] Or just like showcase what goes on at football
[00:12:34] Like training camp
[00:12:35] You know I mean that's fun
[00:12:36] That's fine
[00:12:37] I think like right at the beginning
[00:12:38] It does start pretty strong
[00:12:39] Where it has this like running gag
[00:12:41] Where a plimpton at the very beginning
[00:12:43] During the opening credits
[00:12:44] It's him going about his daily life
[00:12:45] And then cutting to you
[00:12:46] He's gonna pitch to both
[00:12:48] The American League
[00:12:50] And nationally sides of the
[00:12:52] Of the NFL be all star game
[00:12:53] Yeah, he's gonna go three rounds
[00:12:55] Or sugar ray Robinson
[00:12:56] He's doing these things
[00:12:57] And you only see it for like
[00:12:58] 20 seconds
[00:12:59] And it looks like he's getting straight
[00:13:01] 3 he struck that guy out
[00:13:02] Oh my god he's like dancing around
[00:13:04] Sugar ray
[00:13:05] The first time you see the flashback
[00:13:07] And then the you meet more of his co-workers
[00:13:10] And they're like, oh yeah
[00:13:11] Aren't you that guy that went to try to fight sugar
[00:13:13] And then you see him getting knocked out
[00:13:14] Like you see like he gets worse and worse
[00:13:16] And every flashback
[00:13:17] Every time the movie flashes back
[00:13:19] And that's very fun
[00:13:20] So there's stuff like that
[00:13:21] It is pretty comedic at its core
[00:13:23] But ultimately I felt like a really bored
[00:13:25] For the middle section
[00:13:27] Mostly like once he gets into the training camp
[00:13:29] And it is just
[00:13:31] Him trying to fake his way through
[00:13:33] Being an NFL rookie
[00:13:34] And some of that stuff is fun
[00:13:35] And like Alex Caras like we talked about
[00:13:36] It was great
[00:13:37] But just ultimately
[00:13:38] It's like pretty boring in the middle
[00:13:39] There for a long time
[00:13:41] Until it gets to the game
[00:13:42] For the last 15 minutes of the movie
[00:13:44] Like the actual preseason game
[00:13:46] And then I was like, oh man
[00:13:47] This is cool
[00:13:48] But the stuff in the middle
[00:13:50] 45 minutes is pretty
[00:13:52] Pretty rough for me
[00:13:53] Yeah I'm pretty much right there with him
[00:13:55] Like I think the first like 15 minutes of this movie
[00:13:57] I was like all in
[00:13:58] I was like really in
[00:13:59] Like before anything really happens
[00:14:01] When it's just kind of setting it up
[00:14:02] And I think part of that is just because like
[00:14:04] Man it's cool to see
[00:14:05] New York City in the 60s
[00:14:07] Or the Jazz Score going around
[00:14:08] Oh baby
[00:14:09] Is this score Jazz?
[00:14:10] Yeah
[00:14:11] It's great
[00:14:12] It's a very Jazzly score
[00:14:13] That basically never stops
[00:14:14] Once the movie starts
[00:14:15] It just keeps going
[00:14:16] But it was like really fun
[00:14:18] Watch that first 15 minutes
[00:14:19] And you kind of get a sense of who George Plinton is
[00:14:21] And yeah I think seeing all that footage
[00:14:23] Like, hey this is Yankee Stadium
[00:14:24] In 1967
[00:14:25] That's cool
[00:14:26] That's neat
[00:14:27] That's fun
[00:14:28] You know and you got all these people in central park
[00:14:29] All this like
[00:14:30] I don't know
[00:14:31] I like as film as a historical document
[00:14:33] I think is an underrated aspect of getting into movies
[00:14:35] Right?
[00:14:36] Like just like movies
[00:14:37] That were shot in New York in the 60s
[00:14:38] Like hey you get a sense of what New York was like in the 60s
[00:14:40] That's cool
[00:14:41] That's cool
[00:14:42] Yeah and you also get for this first 20 minutes or whatever
[00:14:44] Sort of like a slice of life comedy
[00:14:47] About being in magazine publishing in New York in 1960
[00:14:50] Yeah
[00:14:51] Like and that's neat
[00:14:52] I don't know
[00:14:53] That's so fun
[00:14:54] Yeah and I really like
[00:14:55] I think I don't know all this great in this movie
[00:14:56] I really like Lauren Hutton as well
[00:14:58] As his girlfriend
[00:14:59] And yeah I think they're dynamic is pretty fun
[00:15:01] And she's also like a photographer
[00:15:03] For sports illustrator
[00:15:05] Whatever
[00:15:06] Like him kind of sticking into the shower
[00:15:07] To avoid the phone and all that kind of stuff
[00:15:10] But then yeah the central park flag football game
[00:15:12] Like all that stuff is fun
[00:15:13] And then like yeah as soon as he gets into the football part of it
[00:15:17] Man just movie just kind of stops
[00:15:19] Yeah
[00:15:20] It's fine
[00:15:21] It's just you're just watching people training for football
[00:15:26] For really long time
[00:15:28] Long time
[00:15:29] And yeah and it's occasionally broken up with like you know
[00:15:32] Him getting razz by the guys or whatever
[00:15:34] It does this weird thing where like you know he's supposed to be undercover
[00:15:37] Like they're not supposed to know that he's George Plimpton
[00:15:39] All that kind of stuff right like he's supposed to like
[00:15:42] Not be discovered by the team for who he is
[00:15:44] Yeah
[00:15:45] The team figures that pretty early on
[00:15:46] Like immediately
[00:15:47] Immediately
[00:15:48] They figure oh your George Plimpton
[00:15:49] You're the guy who did all this stuff
[00:15:50] Right for sports illustrated
[00:15:52] Yeah
[00:15:53] Athletes
[00:15:54] Yes
[00:15:55] Like we know who you are
[00:15:57] And so it that's me to kind of like deflate the premise a little bit right there
[00:16:00] I think like it's just like well there's not really any tension
[00:16:02] They know who this guy is
[00:16:03] They give him a hard time all that kind of stuff
[00:16:05] Then you finally get to that last screamage
[00:16:07] Which is like an unimportant game or whatever
[00:16:09] And they finally let Alan all to play
[00:16:11] Like in a real game
[00:16:13] That's kind of fun
[00:16:14] And I liked the movie
[00:16:15] I like that he's still bad at it
[00:16:17] Like I liked the movie ends with him being like
[00:16:19] Yeah, it was terrible
[00:16:20] I was bad
[00:16:21] Football
[00:16:22] I'm sorry
[00:16:23] It's very funny that it like I mean I guess just to jump to the end of the movie a little bit
[00:16:27] But it sets up that final play like this is the one
[00:16:31] Yeah and for it to really just undercut that is actually very funny
[00:16:34] But yeah
[00:16:36] Yeah
[00:16:37] I think they even tell the coach even tells Alex Carous like at the beginning of training camp
[00:16:42] Like this guy's gonna die if you don't protect him
[00:16:44] You basically
[00:16:45] And like reveals who he is
[00:16:47] So he's got immediately like four or five guys
[00:16:49] That know the story
[00:16:50] And I like with him and helping him get through camp
[00:16:53] So yeah, it really kind of sets up this mystery of like you know him
[00:16:58] They'm not knowing who he is and like a potential betrayal and revelation
[00:17:01] Like all that dramatic tension around what his story is and why he's there
[00:17:05] And then just within ten minutes gets rid of all of it
[00:17:07] Yeah
[00:17:08] That's pretty weird
[00:17:09] Yeah, it's a weird thing
[00:17:11] We're like
[00:17:12] I don't know
[00:17:13] I mean sports movies
[00:17:14] Existed at this time
[00:17:15] But they weren't like super prevalent
[00:17:17] I guess you know like Friday the Yankees was a movie
[00:17:19] In like the 40s and all that kind of stuff
[00:17:22] But like it was like 70s and 80s where like you know sports movies really became like a bigger thing
[00:17:26] And I don't know football movies
[00:17:27] I feel like there's not that many great football movies
[00:17:30] I think there's more baseball movies that are great
[00:17:33] And there are football movies but there's certainly a lot of football movies
[00:17:36] Yeah
[00:17:37] I mean just cinematic sports baseball number one
[00:17:39] Like that's the one
[00:17:40] It's like baseball boxing football
[00:17:44] To be you know
[00:17:47] And we even actually just last week on Mike and Mike or I don't know last week we recorded on Mike and Mike go to the movies
[00:17:52] What are we talking about Harold Lloyd and Pastor Keaton both having college football
[00:17:57] Freshman movies
[00:17:58] That's just a list
[00:17:59] Since the beginning of cinema
[00:18:00] Yes
[00:18:01] It's been a thing
[00:18:02] But yeah, I don't know
[00:18:03] It's so weird
[00:18:04] But this does feel like a very modern version of this kind of movie
[00:18:07] It feels like a kind of thing that like oh yeah
[00:18:09] Like it feels towards the end
[00:18:11] It's like oh it's a typical version of Rudy
[00:18:13] It almost feels like a parody of Rudy
[00:18:15] And 100 that's exactly what I thought it was doing
[00:18:17] Yeah
[00:18:18] But like that could like Rudy came out in the 90s
[00:18:20] It can't be a parody
[00:18:21] Yeah
[00:18:22] You know like that's something that it can't be
[00:18:24] But just the way it's kind of setting it up
[00:18:26] We're like oh yeah
[00:18:27] Here's this guy he sucks everyone hates him
[00:18:29] But they're giving him his one last shot
[00:18:30] And you know Rudy ends in like that kind of moment of triumph
[00:18:33] Like really did it
[00:18:34] He's being carried away by the team and this movie ends with Alan Alder
[00:18:37] Just being like yeah
[00:18:38] I got sacked and now I like I hurt myself
[00:18:41] I'm literally unconscious
[00:18:43] Oh yeah
[00:18:44] Yeah
[00:18:45] Yeah
[00:18:46] I mean it's so funny there's that tension
[00:18:47] He kind of like makes that that deal a little bit with the coach
[00:18:50] Like before the preseason game
[00:18:52] We were like if we're up to touch it
[00:18:54] If we're up three touch the ones
[00:18:55] What could it hurt you know for up 21 points
[00:18:58] And then they get ahead three points
[00:18:59] It are three scores and you're like oh my god
[00:19:01] They're actually gonna do it
[00:19:02] Like it's like immediately like the tension
[00:19:05] Which is funny
[00:19:06] And then yeah he gets in
[00:19:08] And yeah
[00:19:09] Especially that last play
[00:19:10] Where he like calls a passing play
[00:19:12] And you're like oh shit
[00:19:14] You can hear the like the big swelling
[00:19:17] Music is gonna happen
[00:19:19] Yeah he's gonna hit the pass
[00:19:20] I just fucking runs into the uprights
[00:19:22] And knocks himself on the catches
[00:19:24] So funny
[00:19:25] Yes
[00:19:26] Absolutely
[00:19:27] Should we count bottoms of football movie
[00:19:28] I'm like
[00:19:29] I'm looking like
[00:19:30] You know it's in there
[00:19:31] If a ball's in there
[00:19:32] And it certainly is all about the game
[00:19:33] Yeah it is all about the game
[00:19:35] I don't know
[00:19:36] I'm looking at like the big football movies
[00:19:38] And for me
[00:19:39] I mean granted
[00:19:40] Some of these are like I generally like a lot of sports movies
[00:19:42] I have a sucker for that
[00:19:44] Just like I don't really like watching sports all that much
[00:19:46] But I like watching sports movie
[00:19:47] Yeah
[00:19:48] Yeah
[00:19:49] You know and I like the kind of way you kind of get swept in
[00:19:51] Swepped in it
[00:19:52] And I think it works for certain sports better than others
[00:19:54] Yeah I'm looking at football movies
[00:19:55] And I feel like my favorite one out of all these is the water boy
[00:19:58] Incredible
[00:20:00] You know I mean there's varsity blues
[00:20:01] There's Friday night lights
[00:20:03] There's the blind side
[00:20:05] Remember the Titans
[00:20:06] Remember the Titans
[00:20:07] Drift day which is a football drafting movie
[00:20:10] True
[00:20:11] The water boy underrated as a football film
[00:20:13] There's a Jerry McWire
[00:20:15] But that's about the agent
[00:20:16] It's not about the football
[00:20:18] Not another teen movie
[00:20:19] Technically about the football the Jack
[00:20:21] That's true
[00:20:22] Yeah I think it's just weird
[00:20:24] This like you said does feel like a parody of modern day
[00:20:27] Uplifting sports movies
[00:20:29] Yeah but pre-dates the ball
[00:20:31] Yeah I eat 30 years
[00:20:33] Which is pretty fun
[00:20:35] Yeah and I think Alan Alda is a good center for that
[00:20:37] Like I appreciate Alan Alda a lot
[00:20:39] He's a good actor
[00:20:40] He's a good actor
[00:20:41] And I was wondering when this fell in the mesh timeline
[00:20:44] I was like I assumed this is before
[00:20:46] And I could have googled it
[00:20:47] But I'd rather not
[00:20:48] Because there's more fun to learn on the podcast
[00:20:50] Yeah it was pre-mash
[00:20:52] And my favorite thing about this movie
[00:20:54] They got to do a deep dive
[00:20:55] And Alan Alda's filmography here
[00:20:57] And just kind of look at like as other stuff
[00:20:59] I forgot he was in Bridgest Prize
[00:21:00] You know he said he's in Bridgest Prize
[00:21:03] That's crazy
[00:21:05] He's in the aviator
[00:21:06] He's in his marriage story
[00:21:08] My favorite Alan Alda thing is he was Jack's dad on 30 rock
[00:21:10] Yes
[00:21:11] He has a few of my favorite lines in that show
[00:21:12] But alright so that is favorite line
[00:21:15] We should talk about Roy Shiter in this movie
[00:21:17] As much as we can
[00:21:18] Yeah
[00:21:19] So Roy Shiter does pop up in paper line for a very brief scene
[00:21:23] So it's early on in the movie too
[00:21:25] This is one of those classic situations
[00:21:27] Where it's early on an actress career
[00:21:29] You're watching that for that actor
[00:21:31] They pop up for like five seconds in the first 10 minutes of the movie
[00:21:34] And then you just got to watch the rest of the movie
[00:21:36] Without expecting to see them
[00:21:38] And that is the case with Roy Shiter here
[00:21:40] What did you think of Roy Shiter in paper line like?
[00:21:43] So much as you can analyze or you know have a response to three or four lines
[00:21:49] I think he's good
[00:21:51] I don't know he's pretty funny
[00:21:52] I think I didn't get a whole conceite of them playing
[00:21:56] Flag or Tag football or whatever
[00:21:58] I think the central park is so funny
[00:22:00] Because they're all in like khakis and sweaters and butt nups
[00:22:03] Yeah and you're like what is happening?
[00:22:05] Like what is it going on?
[00:22:07] This is back when you know men wore suits and ties to work
[00:22:10] And they wore khakis to football
[00:22:11] That was like what is happening
[00:22:13] So that's fun
[00:22:15] But yeah Shiter is good
[00:22:17] He's one of the people on in the game
[00:22:19] And then he's one of the people I think that sort of triggers
[00:22:22] One of those flashbacks
[00:22:24] Oh yeah you got it in the ring with Robinson
[00:22:26] I think he's the one where you see him actually get knocked out
[00:22:28] Yeah
[00:22:29] And then like home run after home run
[00:22:31] And the all star game
[00:22:32] You see like the bad ending
[00:22:33] Some of the flashbacks which is fun
[00:22:35] Somebody tells them the editor I think is like
[00:22:37] Oh yeah the plumpkins got like a six articles left that is contract
[00:22:40] So he's gonna try and get on an NFL team
[00:22:42] And try to like oh you're gonna die but he could look
[00:22:45] Or whatever
[00:22:46] He's just got like a couple lines and something like that
[00:22:48] Yeah
[00:22:49] So it's neat that it's him that it is Shiter
[00:22:51] And you're like you know it's one of those lean forward
[00:22:53] Because we're watching for her
[00:22:55] This is the moment of
[00:22:57] So that's it
[00:22:58] Right right Shiter is uncredited
[00:23:00] Flag football guy
[00:23:02] I mean that is the thing
[00:23:04] And so yeah we were watching this on you know this 240p rip on YouTube
[00:23:09] And I thought I made him out like in the football game
[00:23:12] I knew I knew that was the scene to look for him in
[00:23:14] I thought I made him out in the football game
[00:23:17] But I wasn't quite sure I thought I saw him in the background or something
[00:23:20] And then I was like oh okay I think I see him like passing a ball
[00:23:23] Or whatever
[00:23:25] And so I was very grateful that he actually walked up and said
[00:23:27] Oh lines that I could be like oh yes it's rich
[00:23:30] Confirmed, rich either
[00:23:32] Yes
[00:23:33] And yeah he's fine in that context
[00:23:35] It's you know it's a couple of lines
[00:23:37] He does an admirable job
[00:23:38] And he does have that moment where he's like you know
[00:23:40] I bet a grand that you're not gonna do it
[00:23:43] Like you're gonna die or you're not gonna be able to make your way through
[00:23:46] But whatever
[00:23:47] And his editors like betting the other way
[00:23:48] Like I bet a grand he'll do it or whatever
[00:23:50] I think it's interesting they bring that up because they never bring it up again
[00:23:53] No, like that's the weird thing
[00:23:55] I said it almost sets it up
[00:23:56] It's like oh Roy Shutter might be like pop and up later in the movie
[00:23:59] To collect and has a thousand dollars
[00:24:01] But no he does not
[00:24:02] Yeah there's even at the preseason game
[00:24:04] There's only like two or three
[00:24:06] It's only his girlfriend and his editor that are there
[00:24:08] Yeah
[00:24:09] Yeah it's like wouldn't everybody be like that's what we want to see
[00:24:11] What happened?
[00:24:12] Yeah
[00:24:13] So it is weird that they're not like they don't bring that whole crew back
[00:24:17] He's in one scene and he might back out he does it
[00:24:19] Yes he does the thing he got his paycheck for this movie
[00:24:22] I assume how how do you think this fits into
[00:24:24] The Roy Shutter roles we've seen so far Mike
[00:24:28] Well it's really a downgrade
[00:24:30] What do you think about it?
[00:24:32] Of course living curves
[00:24:34] But I think it is a weird
[00:24:38] You know microcosm of what is whole career that I think will be
[00:24:41] Where he's in these kind of like bigger performance wise
[00:24:44] Bigger you know cartoonish a little bit
[00:24:46] From cursor to living corpse
[00:24:48] He's this you know almost a mustache curly
[00:24:50] Villain at the very end when he whips the mask off
[00:24:52] Yes
[00:24:53] And then kind of just like these like
[00:24:55] You know new Hollywood realism kind of
[00:24:58] The type of performance is you get for a single second
[00:25:01] But he's like you know being a normal guy
[00:25:03] He's not like doing a do an a character
[00:25:06] You know so to speak
[00:25:07] So yeah I don't know be interesting to see
[00:25:10] Where that dichotomy goes and and you know as we get closer into the 70s and stuff
[00:25:15] Yeah I mean I think if there are more roles like this one
[00:25:18] I don't think there's that many you know
[00:25:20] It's one of those things where like you know
[00:25:22] Clute comes out three years after this
[00:25:24] So it's like pretty soon
[00:25:26] Like we're gonna have like pretty major Roy Shutter roles
[00:25:28] This feels like a stepping stone into larger things
[00:25:30] Ah, yeah
[00:25:31] So there's that
[00:25:32] But yeah that allen all the bump
[00:25:34] You know exactly
[00:25:35] Yeah
[00:25:36] It's really it's really thanks to allen all that we have
[00:25:38] Jaws I'm gonna go ahead and live and say that
[00:25:40] And the any scenes or moments in this movie
[00:25:44] I'm gonna be standing out to you my game
[00:25:45] You want to bring up the paper line
[00:25:47] So there's really one sequence in particular
[00:25:49] Where I was kind of like holy shit this rules
[00:25:52] And it's right before the Scrimmage game
[00:25:55] So he or not the Scrimmage game the preseason game
[00:25:58] Because they played the Scrimmage game in the training camp
[00:26:00] Where he like throws a touchdown pass or whatever
[00:26:02] And then he finds out that they're like defense let him have that
[00:26:05] Like basically or whatever they didn't sack him on purpose
[00:26:08] And he's like all pissed off and mad
[00:26:10] And then he is gonna be in the Scrimmage game
[00:26:14] In the preseason game against the Cardinals I think
[00:26:16] And there's this whole like ten minute sequence
[00:26:20] It feels like ten minutes it might be two minutes or whatever
[00:26:23] But is the score is just like peak jazz
[00:26:26] Like it's just like it also it's like something
[00:26:28] Doesn't do without the movie at that point
[00:26:30] Like if I would just put on jazz music and it would be incredible
[00:26:33] But it's just really long montage of all the guys
[00:26:37] Go it getting to the stadium
[00:26:39] Putting in there putting on their pads going to the doctor and their tape and it's like
[00:26:42] Like a battle or like they're all getting taped and massage
[00:26:45] And stretched and strapping on all their pads and stuff
[00:26:48] But their uniforms on going out on the field and warming up and doing sprints and stretches
[00:26:52] And it's just like really just long montage of that with this awesome jazz score
[00:26:56] And I was kind of like holy shit
[00:26:58] It's been 45 minutes of nothing happening
[00:27:01] And I'm back in it baby
[00:27:04] And I was like so hyped
[00:27:06] And that was great
[00:27:07] And then the sequence and then it's just the game for like ten minutes or whatever
[00:27:11] And I was like oh yeah, this isn't that exciting anymore
[00:27:14] It's kind of cool in like a like a very brave thing
[00:27:18] Like it's just the guys are mic or not mic
[00:27:21] But you can hear everything
[00:27:22] And they're like having a sensor all of it
[00:27:24] They're just cutting out dialogue because they're all calling each other
[00:27:26] Motherfucker isn't like they're just here
[00:27:28] They're cursing at each other and stuff and shit talking
[00:27:30] So that's fun
[00:27:31] But the section of the game for that
[00:27:33] It was like coming down off that awesome montage
[00:27:36] Into just like the game
[00:27:38] I was like alright, this is okay
[00:27:39] And then Clinton goes in for that final play
[00:27:41] And our final minute or whatever
[00:27:42] And it was like oh yeah, this is fun again
[00:27:44] So even even in the last 30 minutes
[00:27:46] There's like up to the hands for me
[00:27:48] Okay, but that really that montage with the jazz
[00:27:50] And everything was just like so cool
[00:27:52] Yeah, no absolutely
[00:27:53] I think the jazz does a lot of heavy lifting in this movie
[00:27:55] Absolutely
[00:27:56] To get me through X. Yeah, it's a great score
[00:27:59] It is like you know independently of the film
[00:28:02] I could see myself getting some work done while just having this like score
[00:28:06] Yeah, it's like a
[00:28:09] Oh man, who was the special delivery that had
[00:28:12] Oh yeah, yeah
[00:28:14] The mission impossible
[00:28:15] I love the different
[00:28:16] Yes, I'd love a shift for in score
[00:28:18] And you're just like what is this movie doing
[00:28:20] Well, a shift for in score
[00:28:22] But yeah, this is for paper line knocks
[00:28:25] Yeah, it does
[00:28:26] Yeah, I do want to give a shout out to
[00:28:27] I was maybe dismissive of some of the football films
[00:28:30] From the years past
[00:28:31] Like from before this movie
[00:28:32] I mean, I haven't heard of most of these
[00:28:35] I just looked up a Wikipedia list of American football films
[00:28:38] But new rock in the all American did come out in 1940
[00:28:42] Which is the Ronald Reagan football movie
[00:28:44] The Win just won for the Gipper
[00:28:46] Yeah, which was a big that's a huge movie
[00:28:48] Like back then
[00:28:50] And I feel like that probably cast a long shadow
[00:28:52] Over the decades to come
[00:28:53] I've never seen it
[00:28:54] I'm more familiar with the airplane parody
[00:28:56] Oh, Win just won for the Gipper
[00:28:59] But I feel like that's probably a big one too
[00:29:03] And also football in the 60s
[00:29:05] It's so different than what it is today
[00:29:08] There's even a joke that I think
[00:29:10] Doesn't land in modern day audiences with the
[00:29:12] Vincelum party
[00:29:14] Yeah, when he goes to him first
[00:29:15] He's like shopping
[00:29:16] There's like a montage of him
[00:29:18] Shopping around teams
[00:29:19] Yeah, and asking like can I do your training camp thing
[00:29:22] In Vincelum party
[00:29:23] He's like, huh?
[00:29:24] Why don't you try the AFL and pass around
[00:29:26] Those are two separate leagues
[00:29:27] I think at this point
[00:29:28] The bat
[00:29:29] The joint is the NFL right now
[00:29:31] Yes, I mean at this point
[00:29:33] It's 1968
[00:29:34] This is like it's taking place in 1967
[00:29:36] The Super Bowl just started
[00:29:38] Right, like 1966 was the first Super Bowl
[00:29:41] Yeah, wild
[00:29:42] So yeah football is like really like in its infancy
[00:29:45] Compared to like what it's going to become
[00:29:47] You know, 50, 60 years later
[00:29:49] Right
[00:29:50] And so yeah, again as a historical document of that era
[00:29:53] And of you know just having
[00:29:55] So many of that era's athletes like all playing themselves in one movie
[00:29:59] Pretty cool
[00:30:00] Like it's a pretty neat thing
[00:30:02] Yeah, yeah, it was there is the whole section to you
[00:30:04] But I thought it stood out to me
[00:30:06] Even though it wasn't like into it
[00:30:08] It's at the very beginning of the training camp
[00:30:09] When they have like all the rookies
[00:30:10] Have to like stand up and sing their like college fighting songs
[00:30:13] Or whatever
[00:30:14] Oh yeah
[00:30:15] Like in the dining hall or whatever that they're in
[00:30:17] I was like this is interesting
[00:30:18] Doesn't need to be a ten minute scene
[00:30:20] We don't need to see every person
[00:30:22] But it makes sense if you're like
[00:30:24] In with the lions and they want the rookies
[00:30:27] To like you know as like a showcase of the lions kind of
[00:30:30] Thing
[00:30:31] I don't know if that was necessarily like what was going on
[00:30:33] But it has that vibe to it
[00:30:35] You know where it's like this movie is like an ad
[00:30:37] For the lions in a little bit
[00:30:40] Some sort of sense
[00:30:41] Yeah, so yeah
[00:30:42] I don't know I think a lot of that training camp section
[00:30:44] Is that is that has that feeling to me
[00:30:46] We're like oh I'm not super into
[00:30:48] Like I don't watch the the NFL draft
[00:30:51] I don't watch the pre-season
[00:30:53] Like I don't care of like who's doing any of this stuff
[00:30:55] In my regular life
[00:30:57] So it's just watching you know
[00:30:59] 50 to 60 minutes of it
[00:31:01] Yeah, the movie is like my area
[00:31:03] Okay, yeah, it's a little taxing
[00:31:04] But yeah, that's paper lion
[00:31:06] You know it's it's okay time
[00:31:08] I think there's yeah
[00:31:09] Certainly aspects to like
[00:31:11] And I think as a historical record of the sports at the time
[00:31:13] Pretty cool
[00:31:15] Yeah, it's not like the best
[00:31:17] Yeah exactly
[00:31:18] It's it's probably fine
[00:31:19] I'll I'll not it is funny and great
[00:31:21] The score rules
[00:31:23] And yeah sort of a
[00:31:25] You know like artifact of 1968
[00:31:28] And what football and sports writing
[00:31:30] And I guess you know broadly pop culture and stuff
[00:31:32] Was like back then
[00:31:33] It's a cool little document
[00:31:35] Yeah exactly so
[00:31:37] But I think that's enough for us to wrap this episode up right back
[00:31:39] Yeah
[00:31:40] Yeah, we said Roy Shader has won
[00:31:42] Once he would free lines in it
[00:31:44] I think we could stop at 30 minutes
[00:31:46] I think so
[00:31:47] This is kind of a footnote in the career of Roy Shader
[00:31:50] And so let's move on to letterback reviews
[00:31:52] Mike I actually only collected one review
[00:31:54] Whoa
[00:31:55] And the reason is they very long review
[00:31:57] Okay
[00:31:58] But it is one that I think comes from an interesting perspective
[00:32:00] This is a review by Jake Alta Coffee
[00:32:02] The grandson of Alan Alta
[00:32:05] What?
[00:32:06] Jake Alta Coffee
[00:32:08] I guess I've looked I did some research
[00:32:10] And I guess he's like on Instagram he's like on to
[00:32:12] Like sort of a film student maybe sort of pseudo influencer
[00:32:16] Or whatever
[00:32:17] But he's Alan Alta's grandson
[00:32:18] He gave this movie three stars and letterboxed
[00:32:20] Okay
[00:32:21] And he had a long review about it
[00:32:23] And really about Alan Alta's relationship to the movie
[00:32:26] And so I'm going to read that
[00:32:28] Instead of going through all the other letterboxed views
[00:32:30] Because then the rest of them were just whatever
[00:32:32] There's not that many letterboxed views for this
[00:32:34] I can't imagine there are
[00:32:36] So here is a three star review from Jake Alta Coffee
[00:32:39] About paper lion
[00:32:41] I'm currently watching some of my grandfather's movies
[00:32:43] And give them my own insight and commentary on them
[00:32:45] My grandfather hates football
[00:32:48] He hates the violence of it all
[00:32:51] So to my amazement
[00:32:52] I'm shocked he would star in a football movie
[00:32:55] I would ask him when I was younger
[00:32:56] Why he'd be in a football movie
[00:32:57] If he hated football
[00:32:58] And he'd tell me so I could have a job
[00:33:01] This was before his match days
[00:33:04] So he had to take whatever job he could get
[00:33:06] But talking to him more
[00:33:07] I'd discover that his peer hatred for football
[00:33:10] Was mostly from filming this movie
[00:33:13] Wild
[00:33:14] Not because he had a bad experience filming it
[00:33:17] But because he would film with real players in the NFL
[00:33:19] And he would constantly hear horror stories about their injuries
[00:33:22] They'd get and I think it haunted him
[00:33:24] Which still today
[00:33:26] That's still an issue
[00:33:27] Yes
[00:33:28] For such a small movie
[00:33:30] I'm shocked with all the famous athletes they could get
[00:33:33] Practically the entire Detroit Lions football team play themselves
[00:33:36] On top of that my grandpa fights sugar ray Robinson
[00:33:39] Played by the real sugar ray
[00:33:40] And they even got the real eventslam party to play himself
[00:33:43] Which is remarkable that my grandpa got to meet him
[00:33:45] I don't think he realizes how big a deal it is
[00:33:47] That he met a legend like Vince Lombard
[00:33:49] Incredible
[00:33:51] Yeah
[00:33:52] For the small movie that this is
[00:33:53] I think it had a big impact on my grandpa
[00:33:55] Every so often he tells me about stories from filming this movie
[00:33:58] Mostly because he knew I love football
[00:34:00] So he'd usually tell me horror stories about how
[00:34:02] One guy broke his leg in three places
[00:34:04] Or how another guy had memory problems in his 30s
[00:34:07] But if there was one thing he was proud of
[00:34:09] He was proud that he was able to throw a football 50 yards
[00:34:11] That's one thing he loved to brag about
[00:34:13] When speaking about paper lion
[00:34:15] I've always tried convincing him that football is now different
[00:34:18] Than he used to do when he filmed the movie
[00:34:19] It's a safer sport now
[00:34:21] And I'd even catch him watching a gamer too as well
[00:34:23] He started to get into football again
[00:34:24] Within the past five years
[00:34:25] When my cousin began dating a college football player
[00:34:28] Who now plays in the NFL for the Miami Dolphins
[00:34:30] But my grandpa still grown whenever a player would flip over or get tackles
[00:34:33] Paper lion I think is a cool idea
[00:34:35] This fusion feels very dated though
[00:34:37] It could potentially be a better movie if we made today
[00:34:39] However, I think what makes it so cool are all the old school cameos
[00:34:43] By the athletes which wouldn't have the same impact
[00:34:45] If it was remade today
[00:34:46] It's well written but I just didn't really enjoy the directing and the style of it
[00:34:49] But I do think it's pretty dope that my grandpa was in a sports movie
[00:34:52] With a bunch of legends
[00:34:54] You know in a certain level
[00:34:56] That's all the movie needs
[00:34:59] Yeah, if my grandpa was in a sports movie with the bunch of legends
[00:35:02] I would also be pretty happy about that
[00:35:03] That'd be pretty cool
[00:35:04] That'd be pretty cool
[00:35:05] Yeah
[00:35:06] So yeah, congrats to Jake Aldo coffee for being all the Alan Aldo's grandson
[00:35:11] Congrats for being his grandson
[00:35:14] Exactly
[00:35:15] Alright Mike D
[00:35:16] Any other final thought of paper lion before we wrap this up
[00:35:18] Um, yeah, I mean it's fine
[00:35:20] That's you know bottom line
[00:35:21] It's fine
[00:35:22] It has some brief moments that are very cool and fun
[00:35:25] So yeah, it's on YouTube
[00:35:27] So if you just want to check out a early Alan Aldo sports movie
[00:35:31] Go ahead
[00:35:32] There you go
[00:35:33] It's there. It's available
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